hi, just wondering if anyone uses K9 Mail for their Gmail instead of the native Gmail app? and if so, do you think K9 uses more battery, less battery, or about the same?
i was surprised to see that K9 supports a type of push notification, IMAP IDLE, and actually receives Gmail messages as fast or even faster than the native Gmail. i have turned off any kind of polling by the app, and still, it seems, maybe, to use more battery than Gmail..... anyone have any thoughts or experience with this?
I cannot comment on the battery consumption by K-9, as it doesn't show up anymore (in Froyo EB13) as one of the apps using a certain % of my battery.
What I did notice with the stock e-mail app on Eclair and K-9 in Froyo, is that it stops polling for e-mails all of a sudden, sometime - that's quite a risk. To have the app check e-mails again, it needs to be initiated manually when this happens. It is probably Android, which causes the issue. I mentioned this issue wondering what your observations are.
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Hmm, that's not good if it suddenly stops checking for mail. So far I have only used K9 on Eclair, and only for Gmail..... for this it worked great. With Gmail, it doesn't have to 'check' for mail, but rather sit there idly and have messages pushed to it when they arrive at the server..... I was amazed at how well this worked. I just upgraded to EB13 but haven't used K9 yet.
As for the stock email app, I wouldn't trust it at all, doesn't work very well from what I can tell..... even when manually checking for messages, it sometimes won't fetch them, or will take very long to do so. Sorry but that's all the experience I have with these, lol. When I did use K9 on Ecair, it would show up as using 4 or 5% of my battery, whereas I don't remember seeing Gmail showing up at all...... and, my battery just didn't seem to last as long when using K9, even when using push only.
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I've been all over the place for this issue, and no one has been able to solve it.
I have Yahoo plus as my main email and installed it on my EVO, under the "Mail" icon. My issue is that anything I send from there, is delivered to the recipient, but there is no record of the sent message on the Yahoo Servers. This force me to use 3rd party apps, which I don't like, as it doesn't have the services/options, and they are required to "poll" for my messages, instead of being automatically pushed to my phone, which is a huge drain on battery, that is already less then average. I typically get over 100 emails a day, so I can't have it only polling once in a while, as I will never catch up.
Does anybody know what settings to use, so as to fix this problem, as neither Sprint, HTC, or Yahoo have a clue?
Also, has anyone found a app for SMS texting contact, without putting them in V-card format?
I currently have Roid1.0 and K-9 Mail, neither of which I'm too fond of.
Am I the only one who's disenchanted with the Gmail app on Android? I was hoping it would be better with my Nexus, but nothing has changed.
It doesn't seem like true push. If I set Gmail up as an exchange account in the mail app, it receives my e-mail and notifies me within seconds of sending a test message. The Gmail app randomly notifies me within about 15 minutes or so. Call me anal, but I like to receive my e-mail as soon as possible (sometimes it's important) and I don't see why there's a delay on the official Gmail app.
I know this has been an ongoing issue for some time with Android and my co-worker claims that he's perfectly happy just using the Gmail app, but my experience is that the Email client receives e-mail faster and that's important to me.
I've been using the gmail app for a while on 4 different devices (N1,G2,Sensation,GNex), and I've never noticed more than a couple second lag receiving emails. I have noticed something since 4.0.4 or possibly the latest gmail update. When I mark an email as read on my computer, the notification no longer clears itself on my phone. I have to manually clear it.
It can be strange, and in some cases frustrating. More often than not, my emails come really quick (as they should). There has been a few occurances where an email was delayed by several hours.
And it does seem as though the mail app works better than the gmail app for push email.
Edit: I only use the gmail app, but have used the mail app in the past.
Never had more than a 30 second delay personally.
See, my co-worker swears he doesn't notice a delay either, but I have tested it over and over. When I have notifications on for both the default e-mail client and Gmail, I will get a notification immediately from the e-mail client and nothing from Gmail. More troubling, when I open Gmail, the e-mail is not there yet. It's like it's on periodic check, instead of push.
Currently, I have notifications turned off for the Gmail app and use it to sync everything, then have Gmail set up as an exchange account and only have it pulling in e-mail (no contacts or calendar). It still seems a tad redundant, but its' the only way to ensure that I get my e-mail reliably.
I've not noticed any delay with using the app.
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No delays here either. I relay email from POP3 accounts to Gmail for the push functionality and it works flawlessly.
All good here too. Matches my desktop Gmail timing. Btw I love the Gmail app its the best damn email experience I've ever seen on a phone, I use it constantly.
I can't be the only one having this issue. Is it possible that no one here knows any different simply because they haven't tried it as an exchange account through the regular e-mail app? Again, I have had this issue on pretty much every Android phone I have owned. And I can duplicate it any time.
Would anyone care to add Gmail as an Exchange account through the e-mail app and then send themselves a test message? Let me know if you get it in both apps around the same time. In my case, it shows up instantly in the e-mail app and won't show up for several minutes in the Gmail app unless I push the sync button manually.
i've noticed delays too. really frustrating because i have no idea what can be done about it...
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i've noticed delays too. really frustrating because i have no idea what can be done about it...
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Nothing that I know of, because it only seems to affect a small percentage of users. I can find a few posts on the internet with other users complaining about the same issue, but most people who reply say they have no problem (just like this post). It makes me wonder if I created a completely new Gmail account and tied it to my phone, if I'd get e-mail instantly on that account.
Unfortunately, that's not an option. I've had this address for years.
How long is your delay, less than a minute? I send myself a test email from my corp work email and it comes thru in less than a minute.
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How long is your delay, less than a minute? I send myself a test email from my corp work email and it comes thru in less than a minute.
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The delay varies. Sometimes it's instant, other times it's anywhere from a 5-15 minute delay. I always get the e-mails instantly in the e-mail app when Gmail is set up as an exchange account.
The moral of the story is, it's not reliable. I can never count on getting my e-mail in a timely manner in the Gmail app.
Sign in to the Google Talk application and make sure you're always signed in. I believe that the gTalk-connection is used for push-messages, so if you're signed in into gTalk, push should work.
I also had the delay once, after I restored a backup of the gmail data after a factory reset(actually, yakjuxw -> yakju). I deleted the gmail data and re-configured it. That fixed the problem for me.
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Sign in to the Google Talk application and make sure you're always signed in. I believe that the gTalk-connection is used for push-messages, so if you're signed in into gTalk, push should work.
I also had the delay once, after I restored a backup of the gmail data after a factory reset(actually, yakjuxw -> yakju). I deleted the gmail data and re-configured it. That fixed the problem for me.
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I'm glad you mentioned this. I have the gmail issue (won't ever recieve push email...have to manually sync) AND I cannot sign into GTalk from my phone.
I wish I could fix.
Sorry to revive a dead thread, but was there ever a resolution to this? I'm having the exact same problem on my HTC One X (AT&T).
Gmail or Gtalk delays are due to router (firewall issues). Just forward the necessary Google ports, and you'll be good to go.
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Gmail or Gtalk delays are due to router (firewall issues). Just forward the necessary Google ports, and you'll be good to go.
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This occurs when I'm connected to AT&T's lte network too
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I am struggling with this issue as well
Me too, lately it's been brutal for me
Using K9 mail v4.011 (newest as of todays date from play store) on Samsung GS3 ICS 4.0.4 running on T-mobile USA network.
I have it Setup for 2 Gmail accts, used K9 automatic setup.
If I go to K9 settings, global, network, background sync, and set this to ANYTHING except never, K9 mail leaves the data connection on constantly, draining the battery and eating bandwidth. No matter wifi or mobile data. the indicator in the top bar is continuous solid SEND/RECEIVE always on. I verified this with Network Manager (also from play store) too.
So I Disable the background sync, and the constant data connection stops, but when I get an email, I never get notified by K9. I have the Gmail app set up also for the same email accounts, and if I have the stock gmail app set to notify me of incoming emails, I get instant push notification of new mail from the gmail app but not the k9 app.
So, I obviously have something not set up correctly for k9 to receive push correctly, but I don't know what I have set wrong? can anyone PLEASE help me?
I'm having the exact same problem. K9 worked great for push e-mail with my Samsung Captivate, but with the Galaxy S3 it works only intermittently (possibly more frustrating than if it didn't work at all).
I tried clearing the data in K9 and re-entering the account info. That seemed to work for a few hours, but now I'm back to no push mail. The GMail app continues to work fine--I'd just go with that, but I like that K9 works with Tasker; GMail does not.
I had this issue too a while back, it was when i was playing with the polling folder options. The only way I could get it back was to uninstall it, and reinstall with the factory settings. I don't have any issues with it receiving push on my S3.
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I had this issue too a while back, it was when i was playing with the polling folder options. The only way I could get it back was to uninstall it, and reinstall with the factory settings. I don't have any issues with it receiving push on my S3.
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Thanks for the input. I just uninstalled and reinstalled K9, and I'm still having a problem receiving push mail. I guess I'll just have to go with GMail.
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Thanks for the input. I just uninstalled and reinstalled K9, and I'm still having a problem receiving push mail. I guess I'll just have to go with GMail.
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I think the issue might be that you have both GMAIL and K9 pulling the same accounts. Trying setting up one that is not also in the GMAIL app. There may be a delay and K9 doesn't getting push. I seem to remember one time i played around with the incoming/outgoing servers too and had to actually use the POP servers.
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Using K9 mail v4.011 (newest as of todays date from play store) on Samsung GS3 ICS 4.0.4 running on T-mobile USA network.
I have it Setup for 2 Gmail accts, used K9 automatic setup.
If I go to K9 settings, global, network, background sync, and set this to ANYTHING except never, K9 mail leaves the data connection on constantly, draining the battery and eating bandwidth. No matter wifi or mobile data. the indicator in the top bar is continuous solid SEND/RECEIVE always on. I verified this with Network Manager (also from play store) too.
So I Disable the background sync, and the constant data connection stops, but when I get an email, I never get notified by K9. I have the Gmail app set up also for the same email accounts, and if I have the stock gmail app set to notify me of incoming emails, I get instant push notification of new mail from the gmail app but not the k9 app.
So, I obviously have something not set up correctly for k9 to receive push correctly, but I don't know what I have set wrong? can anyone PLEASE help me?
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From what I went thru, you can not use gmail app with K9 at the same time, un-install one or the other. and which ever one you use, do the settings there, btw, the only way I could get K9 to work was use a system uninstall and get rid of the worthless generic gmail app. Up to you, hope this helps, I have 4 email accounts in K9 and it polls correctly.
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From what I went thru, you can not use gmail app with K9 at the same time, un-install one or the other. and which ever one you use, do the settings there, btw, the only way I could get K9 to work was use a system uninstall and get rid of the worthless generic gmail app. Up to you, hope this helps, I have 4 email accounts in K9 and it polls correctly.
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Thanks. I'll try fully uninstalling GMail. Most of the time, I've had it frozen in Titanium Backup, and I've still had the intermittent push failure in K9. I defrosted GMail and used it at the same time as K9 only as a control to test whether K9 was working.
I've seen a few slightly older threads about this but wanted to ask if anyone has a workable solution now.
In the past I've owned skinned HTC and Samsung phones and the email client has included the ability to set different synching periods for peak and off peak. This is missing from the nexus' stock email client.
What I want is to always have my work exchange email set to push during the day but either entirely manual or maybe every few hours otherwise. I would also like my gmail account to keep push mail on at all times.
I've looked into a few things like tasker, timerific and synker and a few third party email clients but nothing seems quite right.
I can kill all synching but I want my gmail synched, I can silence notifications / vibration etc but I'm still going to be using my phone in the evenings and if widgets etc are telling me I have work mail then I'm going to end up reading it :-(
I'm happy to consider pretty much anything that will sort this for me so please, any advice appreciated.
touchdown does this quite fine. i use it for my work email.
not sure about the stock client however.
I'll have another go but last time I looked at touchdown it was rather ugly.
I quite like the stock client :-(
Anyone else?
Does your samsung stock email client do push for gmail and yahoo on sgs3 i9300? I can only set to poll ar minimum 5min.
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I am doing what I can to conserve battery. I just got my S3 last night. I installed K9 because that is what I used on my previous Droids. I checked my battery info this morning and K9 is like 19%. I have it checking every 10 mins for new mail. Any of you know if the native app is push and does it draw off the battery as much?
Thanks!
Why every ten minutes, particularly when you (apparently) have the option of push?
I've never seen K9, properly configured (I normally use push), take more than 2-3% of battery use, even in e-mail-intense scenarios.
cause the option is there that says frequency with a time limit. I have to select something. Push isn't there.
I suppose it's possible that your mail provider doesn't support push (who is your mail provider?), but the frequency check isn't where the push setting is supposed to be. Look under Advanced in account settings for push settings; if that's set up properly (you will be able to see a "Push" next to the last time a mail folder was checked if so), you can disable normal polling altogether.
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I suppose it's possible that your mail provider doesn't support push (who is your mail provider?), but the frequency check isn't where the push setting is supposed to be. Look under Advanced in account settings for push settings; if that's set up properly (you will be able to see a "Push" next to the last time a mail folder was checked if so), you can disable normal polling altogether.
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Hmmm, so I just switched it to never and sent myself a test email to see if it comes in. That would be great if it works that way.
whats wrong with Google Gmail apps? its works great and wonderfully.
I have used k9 fit about a year and a half, generally have it at 30 minute poll interval but usually manually check for new mail about every 10. I get between 50 and 200 emails a day and k9 is never even close to showing up in the top 10 of my battery stats. Occasionally it will bug out and drain (about one a month or so) but a test cures this.
I would try to uninstall and reinstall if you are having regular issues with it. I have nothing but good things to say about this client, far better than any other i have tried.
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I am doing what I can to conserve battery. I just got my S3 last night. I installed K9 because that is what I used on my previous Droids. I checked my battery info this morning and K9 is like 19%. I have it checking every 10 mins for new mail. Any of you know if the native app is push and does it draw off the battery as much?
Thanks!
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I use K-9 with 2 imap accounts + gmail app and I can easily make 2 days on one charge.
I get the emails as soon as the server received them.
Are you using a pop account ?
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whats wrong with Google Gmail apps? its works great and wonderfully.
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How to you get it to work wonderfully with non-Gmail accounts? I have a non-Gmail IMAP account for work. As far as I can tell, the only way to use Gmail for this account is set up POP acesss to the account in Gmail. Using that approach, I get unacceptably long and and unpredictable delays in getting mail (typically a half hour to an hour). That doesn't work for me, which is unfornate because the stock emai app is utter crap.
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How to you get it to work wonderfully with non-Gmail accounts? I have a non-Gmail IMAP account for work. As far as I can tell, the only way to use Gmail for this account is set up POP acesss to the account in Gmail. Using that approach, I get unacceptably long and and unpredictable delays in getting mail (typically a half hour to an hour). That doesn't work for me, which is unfornate because the stock emai app is utter crap.
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Gmail app is only meant to receive mail from gmail. What people are talking about here only applies if you are using gmail. Afaik push is kind of supported on IMAP. Use the stock email app or k-9 to set it up that way.
Yes. I was trying to answer liquid's question about what us wrong with Gmail. The stock Samsung email does not support push (imap idle). I use Kaiten, which works pretty well.
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Yes. I was trying to answer liquid's question about what us wrong with Gmail. The stock Samsung email does not support push (imap idle). I use Kaiten, which works pretty well.
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Kaiten is on my list.. I definitely want to check it out, but just havent spent the $5 yet.
I'm on aokp jb. GPS on, Bluetooth always on. Always in 4g not lte. With Google including gmail etc to sync whenever gmail and calendar and that stuff does. Plus aokp lock screen weather and fancy widgets weather. I see a drain of about .75% an hour. The only time my battery drains is the moment I turn on the screen. I've noticed this with all android devices and too many people care about push and stuff. It doesn't make a difference IMO. Been on android since the g1 came out.
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I use k-9 with 2 POP accounts, one every 10 min and the other every 6 hours. After running the whole day it doesn't even show up in my battery list. The lowest one is media server at 1m 20s of CPU time and 2% of battery usage.
Low email volume today on those accounts so that's part of it, but I've never thought it was much of a drain. Once in a while I'll see it in the battery list, but I see the Gmail app in there more often.