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[Q] How to calibrate new extended battery

Ive read that the way weve always used with the wiping of battery stats actually doesnt do anything.
I got a GTmax 3500 mah battery but the phone turns off at 0, even though it has power, its sitting at the recovery screen and is just fine. I was wondering, do i just leave it here to drain it, or do I have some other method of calibration. Im pretty sure its going by its old stats because it drained in 12 hours and turned off. I SHOULD get ~23-24 hours on the new battery.

Yes, it has been determined that the battery stats file we used to wipe does absolutely nothing to prolong the battery's charge on any Android phone. The only thing it does is wipe out the statistics that we see for what is using the battery. Personally, I've never noticed any difference in battery longevity when wiping the stats file, so I stopped wiping it long before this information came to light.
As for your issue, the phone turning off at 0% seems pretty normal to me. I'm not really sure what your concern is. Just because you can access the recovery screen doesn't mean there is enough power to let the phone run normally. I would let it charge for several hours before using it again or at least leave it on the AC charger while you use it. It is also not a good idea to let the phone discharge down to 0%, as this can shorten the lifespan of the battery. Typically, the battery power meter is pretty accurate. Plus the battery should be fully charged before use. It is speculated that if you condition the battery itself (fully charge, then fully discharge (the one and only time this should be done), and fully recharge it again), you may see better life. Considering that on a typical day, I get about 5 hours of heavy use before I have to plug it in, I would welcome 12 hours without having to charge.

DarkShim said:
Yes, it has been determined that the battery stats file we used to wipe does absolutely nothing to prolong the battery's charge on any Android phone. The only thing it does is wipe out the statistics that we see for what is using the battery. Personally, I've never noticed any difference in battery longevity when wiping the stats file, so I stopped wiping it long before this information came to light.
As for your issue, the phone turning off at 0% seems pretty normal to me. I'm not really sure what your concern is. Just because you can access the recovery screen doesn't mean there is enough power to let the phone run normally. I would let it charge for several hours before using it again or at least leave it on the AC charger while you use it. It is also not a good idea to let the phone discharge down to 0%, as this can shorten the lifespan of the battery. Typically, the battery power meter is pretty accurate. Plus the battery should be fully charged before use. It is speculated that if you condition the battery itself (fully charge, then fully discharge (the one and only time this should be done), and fully recharge it again), you may see better life. Considering that on a typical day, I get about 5 hours of heavy use before I have to plug it in, I would welcome 12 hours without having to charge.
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Thats strange. I got some friends with iPhone 4S and they get over a full day with some moderate use. I get 12-16 hours tops. I can easily drain it in 8 hours. Doesnt seem like it should require mid day charging.

Rekzer said:
Thats strange. I got some friends with iPhone 4S and they get over a full day with some moderate use. I get 12-16 hours tops. I can easily drain it in 8 hours. Doesnt seem like it should require mid day charging.
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Under volt, setcpu, good kernel, brightness etc.
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Rekzer said:
Thats strange. I got some friends with iPhone 4S and they get over a full day with some moderate use. I get 12-16 hours tops. I can easily drain it in 8 hours. Doesnt seem like it should require mid day charging.
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It is very difficult at best to compare iDevices and Android devices. The hardware and software are completely different. Regardless, I also know folks with the iPhone 4s. About half of them drain their device within 5 hours. Constantly doing stuff... The batteries on most smartphones are just not up to standards with today's hardware. At any rate, the rest of the folks I know with the iPhone 4s are more moderate users. They get about 7-8 hours. One person claims she gets 9. It depends on usage. Plus, as avarize stated, underclock, a decent kernel, screen brightness, etc... And SetCPU is a great app (even for non-rooted devices). Also, constant text messages tend to drain devices. It just depends on how you use it.

[Q] Strange Drain Mugen Battery

I have a 3900 mAh battery from Mugen. Ive noticed the battery lasts about 30 hours. But I find something very strange. It drains around 96% in just 15 minutes on straight boot after charging every time. In fact, the first 80% of so drains pretty quickly? Ive had it in my phone for about 2 weeks. Has anyone else noticed this or know why this may be happening. Also when at 100%, and i inplug it, goes straight to 98!

Have you done a battery calibration? Get the Battery Calibration app from the play store.
There's some argument as to whether this does anything or not, but have you conditioned the battery? That means letting it drain completely, then charging it continuously till it hits 100% - do that several times.

Its been proven that the app does nothing, which wipes battstats.ini or something
As for conditioning, its been down to around 3% before being charged. Ivehad the battery 2 weeks now.

Lithium Ion batteries have a very steep drain for about the first 15-20% and also slower charging from those levels. Once past that the drain is nearly linear, and then gets very steep at about 3.6v.
You can see it in the graphs here:
http://www.ibt-power.com/Battery_packs/Li_Ion/Lithium_ion_tech.html

Typically the way our devices are designed, they do not charge the battery to 100% full it can actually cause damage to lithium ion based batteries. what happens is the battery is charged to 95%-98% then the device stops the charge and allows the battery to drop to abut 85%-90% and then starts trickling it again. By design the batteris typically drain a little bit fast at the top level.
further more lithium ion batteries survive more recharge cycles if the D0D (depth of discharge) is about 25% remaining.
Basically you battery will last longer by the device not charging to 100% and letting it discharge slightly when in trickle mode, and if you don't let it die completely and charge it when it reaches around 15%-20% left.

-Mr. X- said:
Typically the way our devices are designed, they do not charge the battery to 100% full it can actually cause damage to lithium ion based batteries. what happens is the battery is charged to 95%-98% then the device stops the charge and allows the battery to drop to abut 85%-90% and then starts trickling it again. By design the batteris typically drain a little bit fast at the top level.
further more lithium ion batteries survive more recharge cycles if the D0D (depth of discharge) is about 25% remaining.
Basically you battery will last longer by the device not charging to 100% and letting it discharge slightly when in trickle mode, and if you don't let it die completely and charge it when it reaches around 15%-20% left.
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Hmm that kind of makes sense. Everyones been telling me to not let it drop to below 35% though cause it 'wears the battery out'. Ive been charging at around 40 cause thats where itd be after a full day at work and such.
Ive been getting concerned though because ive seen screenshots of people getting 31 hours with 7 hours of screen on time.
Im at 62%, 9.5 hours total, 1 hour 7 min screen on. Thats mostly with Wifi on though.
My stock battery used to drop 10% an hour on 4g, and this one dropped ~11% on 4g just now....

mknewman said:
Lithium Ion batteries have a very steep drain for about the first 15-20% and also slower charging from those levels. Once past that the drain is nearly linear, and then gets very steep at about 3.6v.
You can see it in the graphs here:
http://www.ibt-power.com/Battery_packs/Li_Ion/Lithium_ion_tech.html
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Thanks for the graph!
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Now at 36% And its just sitting off mostly with some light texting
Now 35!

Got a weird feeling the battery is messed up.
Its 3900mah, divide by 650 = 6 hour charge
Its been 6 hours and its at 46% with the phone off so its not using power, and on the wall charger.

Rekzer said:
Its been proven that the app does nothing
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I haven't heard that before. Got a source for that info?

mayonaise said:
I haven't heard that before. Got a source for that info?
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http://www.androidcentral.com/wiping-battery-stats-doesnt-improve-battery-life-says-google-engineer

Battery Life at 100%

Hi, My battery used to stay at 100% for at least 20 min with minor use after taking it off the charger. Now, it drops fairly quickly to 97% with the same usage. Overall I think I am left with the same percentage at the end of the day, but I was wondering if anyone else experienced this.

How old is the battery, are you leaving it on the charger for long periods after it's fully charged. Their longevity wears down so it's going to happen. But you can take some steps to stretch it out to the max. Mine goes from 100% to 95-96% in about 30-45 minutes right now
Wicked Stock Rom w/ Stock Kernel. No tweaks

Saintfyre said:
How old is the battery, are you leaving it on the charger for long periods after it's fully charged. Their longevity wears down so it's going to happen. But you can take some steps to stretch it out to the max. Mine goes from 100% to 95-96% in about 30-45 minutes right now
Wicked Stock Rom w/ Stock Kernel. No tweaks
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Thanks, Its about a month old. It is on the charger for at least several hours after its fully charged. Also, I am completely stock.
Just curious, is your device idle in the 30 min that it takes it to go from 100% to 95%? If not are you doing intensive stuff to takes it to 95%?

mikea3000 said:
Thanks, Its about a month old. It is on the charger for at least several hours after its fully charged. Also, I am completely stock.
Just curious, is your device idle in the 30 min that it takes it to go from 100% to 95%? If not are you doing intensive stuff to takes it to 95%?
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Yeah mostly idle, just running back ground tasks and such. Very minimal use.
Also I think leaving it on the charger for long periods of time reduces the life span of the battery as well. That's why it notifies you to take it off when it's fully charged. And I believe I read that somewhere else also.

But also if you leave it charging all night the phone may say 100% however the phone to prevent it self from charging the battery to long it stops charging it and let's it drain from 90% to 100% and slowly charges it back up. So as not to damage the battery. It keeps following that loop to keep your battery running longer so the first 10% can sometimes be misleading but it's nothing to worry about
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This was fairly common on the SGS2.
The common way to fix it on that device was to charge it to 100%, then unplug it and plug it back in and wait until it gets to 100% again. Do this 3-5 times and the problem should be gone. It is worth a shot on the SGS4
This can happen when flashing ROMs while your battery is not full, though this is not the only way for this to occur.

I like that last one. Gotta try it out.

The kernel stops charging at 100 percent and doesn't start again until it guys 95. What you're reading as your percentage level is not the exact levels
Say you unplug at what you think is 100 percent but in reality it's actually 98 percent, the software quickly relays this back to the user and adjusts the battery levels accordingly making you think it just drained 2 percent really quickly.
The whole reason it does this is to percent over charging the battery. That will greatly shorten it's life cycle or even worse blow up your battery
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Battery charge problem...stops at 96%

my galaxy tab pro 8.4 stops charging at 96%....
i always charge it from 10 - 15% to 100% by switching of the device...from past week it always stops at 96 and when i switch it on it goes to 100 in a cou[le of minutes...what i s to be done ..i calibrated also..no change..

Yep, you have custom rom? that's usually what happens.
I have the slim rom and mine is like that, I just unplug and then plug back in does the trick
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cloud71 said:
Yep, you have custom rom? that's usually what happens.
I have the slim rom and mine is like that, I just unplug and then plug back in does the trick
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Custom rom has nothing to do with it. I am running the stock version, and my battery won't charge up more than 64% right now. It seems the problem starts with 96/94% but gets progressively worse. Sometimes it will fix it self for a short time when I replug, but right now even that doesn't work for me.
I checked last night, and I believe the kernel just thinks the battery is nearing it's 100% state. This was a screenshot I took that shows that the battery isn't charging at full power. The closer I got to 64%, the slower the charge went:
i.imgur.com/P2i0R9s.png (Copy and paste, I am not allowed to post outside links yet..)

Sicron said:
Custom rom has nothing to do with it. I am running the stock version, and my battery won't charge up more than 64% right now. It seems the problem starts with 96/94% but gets progressively worse. Sometimes it will fix it self for a short time when I replug, but right now even that doesn't work for me.
I checked last night, and I believe the kernel just thinks the battery is nearing it's 100% state. This was a screenshot I took that shows that the battery isn't charging at full power. The closer I got to 64%, the slower the charge went:
i.imgur.com/P2i0R9s.png (Copy and paste, I am not allowed to post outside links yet..)
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Have you tried just using the tablet when it was "fully" charged to 64%? I see three possibilities and I would be curious to know was the case:
1) Your battery is only charging to 64% and when you start using it, it will decrease at a normal rate and you'll get 1/3 less time out of the charge.
2) Your battery is showing 64% for all charges >= 64%. So, it could be at 100% charged and will stay at 64% until you've used up 36% of your battery.
3) It is scaling wrong so that 64% == 100% and the battery percentage will decrease as you use the tablet, but it will decrease 1/3 slower than it used to (aka the time from 100% to 0% when you first bought it would be the same as your time now from 64% to 0%).
Any idea which of those three is actually happening?

crpalmer said:
Have you tried just using the tablet when it was "fully" charged to 64%? I see three possibilities and I would be curious to know was the case:
1) Your battery is only charging to 64% and when you start using it, it will decrease at a normal rate and you'll get 1/3 less time out of the charge.
2) Your battery is showing 64% for all charges >= 64%. So, it could be at 100% charged and will stay at 64% until you've used up 36% of your battery.
3) It is scaling wrong so that 64% == 100% and the battery percentage will decrease as you use the tablet, but it will decrease 1/3 slower than it used to (aka the time from 100% to 0% when you first bought it would be the same as your time now from 64% to 0%).
Any idea which of those three is actually happening?
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Definitely the first one. Right now I am at about 35% and have 2.5-3 hours screen time since the 64% (can't check for a definitive screentime as the indicator doesn't reset unless you charge to 100%). So that would translate to the about 7.5-8 hours I get when I do have a full charge.
I also checked once before when I had this issue by letting my battery completely discharge and then start up my tablet again and I had 1% left, so it was pretty much completely drained. I'll probably charge it again tonight and I expect I will have an even lower full battery percentage.

Try using a different 2amp charger and/or different cable
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The only real fix for this opening the back up and unplugging the battery. When you plug it back in you won't see the problem again. Not sure why.... But that's how I fixed mine. Been good for two months now.

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Try using a different 2amp charger and/or different cable
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Also tried that already. Still only charges up to a lower percentage. Only thing I haven't tried is unplugging the entire battery.
It charged up to 100% for some reason last night. The only thing that is really weird that it charged 1% every five minutes from like 85-95% and then suddenly in the last 5 minutes it instantly charged from 95 to 100%. The whole battery thing is just really weird.

Battery hold from 11% to 0%

Hi all,
occasionally I see my 7 months old Pixel 3a XL can't hold battery power from 11% down. Switches off very fast, abnormally fast. Then if I power it and start it then keeps on restarting until battery level is higher than 5-6%
I use the original charger only. Sometimes it appears, some it does not and I can see it discharges as expected.
I try to keep my battery within 40-100% full and discharge it very rarely to 0%.
Anyone facing those abnormalities? Can't think of connected events - updates, etc ....
Cheers
p.s. after last night happening again, charged the phone from 0% to 86% (phone was off during charge), turned on on 86% and left over night on the shelf. Usually drains 2-3%, this morning it dropped from 86% to 62%. All connections off, nothing unusual shown in the battery usage stats...

TodNex said:
Hi all,
occasionally I see my 7 months old Pixel 3a XL can't hold battery power from 11% down. Switches off very fast, abnormally fast. Then if I power it and start it then keeps on restarting until battery level is higher than 5-6%
I use the original charger only. Sometimes it appears, some it does not and I can see it discharges as expected.
I try to keep my battery within 40-100% full and discharge it very rarely to 0%.
Anyone facing those abnormalities? Can't think of connected events - updates, etc ....
Cheers
p.s. after last night happening again, charged the phone from 0% to 86% (phone was off during charge), turned on on 86% and left over night on the shelf. Usually drains 2-3%, this morning it dropped from 86% to 62%. All connections off, nothing unusual shown in the battery usage stats...
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That's pretty weird
My 3a xl (about the same age as yours) doesn't use more than 10% max when left overnight. Are you using AOD or anything?
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@Skittles9823 nothing beside stock Android and apps that I've used forever. Strange is that it's occasional - also occassional is initial drain from 100% to 92%.
Maybe its time to flash it - nothing suspicious is shown in batt stats
I use the fast charger that came with it. Not sure how it affects battery life long term. I try to keep it 100% to 40% usually and not charge it if not necessary..

TodNex said:
@Skittles9823
I use the fast charger that came with it. Not sure how it affects battery life long term. I try to keep it 100% to 40% usually and not charge it if not necessary..
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I think popular wisdom is that both fast charging and in particular charging to 100% are not kind to the battery's longivety. Divided opinion about the effect of discharging to low percentages. Personally I charge to between 70 and 80% unless I know I'm going to need more capacity. 3a XL has a bigish battery, which helps. I recharge most nights but only to 70-80%. End of day I usually end up between high 40's and low 30's charge.
I manually set all apps I don't actually need to run in background to 'restricted' background use.

I charge mine up to a 100% often, when using it heavy.. I never heard of charging a battery to 100% being bad for it, unless you believe everything that is told or should I say sold to you.. Sounds like a faulty battery. If still under the 1 yr usual warranty I would have it replaced. I have drained mine down to less than 20% and still never experience any issue that OP state.

doubledragon5 said:
I never heard of charging a battery to 100% being bad for it
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Some research references in here
https://accubattery.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/210224725-Charging-research-and-methodology
https://accubattery.zendesk.com/hc/...-Cycle-Life-Modeling-of-Lithium-Ion-Batteries
Also Apple have actually introduced a feature to stop/postpone 100% charging when the phone thinks it's not required. Would be good if we had similar/more control for Android.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210512

WibblyW said:
Some research references in here
https://accubattery.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/210224725-Charging-research-and-methodology
https://accubattery.zendesk.com/hc/...-Cycle-Life-Modeling-of-Lithium-Ion-Batteries
Also Apple have actually introduced a feature to stop/postpone 100% charging when the phone thinks it's not required. Would be good if we had similar/more control for Android.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210512
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I'm still not sold on the idea that charging a battery to 100% is bad.. But thanks for those links.

doubledragon5 said:
I'm still not sold on the idea that charging a battery to 100% is bad.. But thanks for those links.
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It's actually true. Lithium Ion batters degrade over time, the speed of which, depends on the amount of battery cycles they go through (0-100% and vice versa). Others have done the research and the math and found that generally a 20% to 80% and vice versa charge seems to be the best for longevity.
Personally I charge to 100 but try to charge my phone when it gets to 20-30%.
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I'm still not sold on the idea that charging a battery to 100% is bad.. But thanks for those links.
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Evidence and research is there. Of course you don't have to believe it. It's your phone, your battery, your money

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Evidence and research is there. Of course you don't have to believe it. It's your phone, your battery, your money
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So very true my phone my money. In all my years of using cell phones, I think I have actually replaced a battery once because it went bad.

Thank you all for the links and the inputs!
One more symptom - when is very low like this morning - 1% and put it in charger - phone shuts off.
I will keep the battery in 40-80% for the future and limit the drain below 40%. I tried to charge it slow with USB - took me like 6-7 hours...
How long it takes you from zero to 100% with the stock charger - looks very fast to me - 0% to 67% in 35 mins
I personally tried to research and could not find what is worse for these batteries - number of cycles (obvious less when used below 40%) or the low capacity usage ?

TodNex said:
Thank you all for the links and the inputs!
One more symptom - when is very low like this morning - 1% and put it in charger - phone shuts off.
I will keep the battery in 40-80% for the future and limit the drain below 40%. I tried to charge it slow with USB - took me like 6-7 hours...
How long it takes you from zero to 100% with the stock charger - looks very fast to me - 0% to 67% in 35 mins
I personally tried to research and could not find what is worse for these batteries - number of cycles (obvious less when used below 40%) or the low capacity usage ?
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The included charger is a fast charger, good for headlining how fast it charges, not so great for the battery. I just use a 'standard' (Anker) USB charger.
Jury's out on if deeper discharge is bad, but it's the number of complete cycles (0-100% counting as 1). So 40 - 80% is 0.4 of a full cycle, and you're not stressing the battery so much by taking it to 100%. Many folk here replace their phones frequently enough not to be bothered by all this - if they sell it when 20% of the battery capacity's gone, that's fine.

I've observed the behaviour and few things made me question myself...one time I can see 13% battery and palying Youtube just shutdown the phone. Put it into charger and started showing 4% as initial charge.
There was another time when using Viber video shutdown in 23% but can be overheat or software bug.
I try to keep it these days above 40% charge but still use the supplied charger till I buy new slower one.

TodNex said:
I've observed the behaviour and few things made me question myself...one time I can see 13% battery and palying Youtube just shutdown the phone. Put it into charger and started showing 4% as initial charge.
There was another time when using Viber video shutdown in 23% but can be overheat or software bug.
I try to keep it these days above 40% charge but still use the supplied charger till I buy new slower one.
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The good news is that this phone seems to be pretty easy to repair and a battery replacement could very well be a good option for you, especially since you wouldn't be compromising any water resistance or anything