I have a 3900 mAh battery from Mugen. Ive noticed the battery lasts about 30 hours. But I find something very strange. It drains around 96% in just 15 minutes on straight boot after charging every time. In fact, the first 80% of so drains pretty quickly? Ive had it in my phone for about 2 weeks. Has anyone else noticed this or know why this may be happening. Also when at 100%, and i inplug it, goes straight to 98!
Have you done a battery calibration? Get the Battery Calibration app from the play store.
There's some argument as to whether this does anything or not, but have you conditioned the battery? That means letting it drain completely, then charging it continuously till it hits 100% - do that several times.
Its been proven that the app does nothing, which wipes battstats.ini or something
As for conditioning, its been down to around 3% before being charged. Ivehad the battery 2 weeks now.
Lithium Ion batteries have a very steep drain for about the first 15-20% and also slower charging from those levels. Once past that the drain is nearly linear, and then gets very steep at about 3.6v.
You can see it in the graphs here:
http://www.ibt-power.com/Battery_packs/Li_Ion/Lithium_ion_tech.html
Typically the way our devices are designed, they do not charge the battery to 100% full it can actually cause damage to lithium ion based batteries. what happens is the battery is charged to 95%-98% then the device stops the charge and allows the battery to drop to abut 85%-90% and then starts trickling it again. By design the batteris typically drain a little bit fast at the top level.
further more lithium ion batteries survive more recharge cycles if the D0D (depth of discharge) is about 25% remaining.
Basically you battery will last longer by the device not charging to 100% and letting it discharge slightly when in trickle mode, and if you don't let it die completely and charge it when it reaches around 15%-20% left.
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Typically the way our devices are designed, they do not charge the battery to 100% full it can actually cause damage to lithium ion based batteries. what happens is the battery is charged to 95%-98% then the device stops the charge and allows the battery to drop to abut 85%-90% and then starts trickling it again. By design the batteris typically drain a little bit fast at the top level.
further more lithium ion batteries survive more recharge cycles if the D0D (depth of discharge) is about 25% remaining.
Basically you battery will last longer by the device not charging to 100% and letting it discharge slightly when in trickle mode, and if you don't let it die completely and charge it when it reaches around 15%-20% left.
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Hmm that kind of makes sense. Everyones been telling me to not let it drop to below 35% though cause it 'wears the battery out'. Ive been charging at around 40 cause thats where itd be after a full day at work and such.
Ive been getting concerned though because ive seen screenshots of people getting 31 hours with 7 hours of screen on time.
Im at 62%, 9.5 hours total, 1 hour 7 min screen on. Thats mostly with Wifi on though.
My stock battery used to drop 10% an hour on 4g, and this one dropped ~11% on 4g just now....
mknewman said:
Lithium Ion batteries have a very steep drain for about the first 15-20% and also slower charging from those levels. Once past that the drain is nearly linear, and then gets very steep at about 3.6v.
You can see it in the graphs here:
http://www.ibt-power.com/Battery_packs/Li_Ion/Lithium_ion_tech.html
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Thanks for the graph!
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Now at 36% And its just sitting off mostly with some light texting
Now 35!
Got a weird feeling the battery is messed up.
Its 3900mah, divide by 650 = 6 hour charge
Its been 6 hours and its at 46% with the phone off so its not using power, and on the wall charger.
Rekzer said:
Its been proven that the app does nothing
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I haven't heard that before. Got a source for that info?
mayonaise said:
I haven't heard that before. Got a source for that info?
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http://www.androidcentral.com/wiping-battery-stats-doesnt-improve-battery-life-says-google-engineer
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Flattened my Xoom earlier, as I do everynow and again to full cycle the battery.
Came back to it a bit later and it had charged up to 40 odd %
Used it for a while then it suddenly said the battery was flat and switched off..
Anyone else had this, am I looking at a dead battery or should I just leave it swtiched off and on charge overnight?
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Flattened my Xoom earlier, as I do everynow and again to full cycle the battery.
Came back to it a bit later and it had charged up to 40 odd %
Used it for a while then it suddenly said the battery was flat and switched off..
Anyone else had this, am I looking at a dead battery or should I just leave it swtiched off and on charge overnight?
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It shouldn't be, lithium ion batteries don't have as intense a memory problem as the old nicad batteries...maybe just wipe the batteries stats in clockwork for good measure and take it from there. Sorry I forgot to mention that this would assume you are rooted. All my Android devices have weird jumps like that, but not usually that extreme.
cool, I'll clear the battery stats and see what it says in the morning.
Clear the stats in the morning after the full night charge not before..
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Good job I checked here before I went to sleep eh
Lithium batteries do not like to go all the way down to dead (so low the device won't even start). They wear alot if you do. There is no reason to cykle them after the first time charge as there is no memory effect on them.
I had a laptop battery partially charged installed in my laptop and did't use it for two weeks. The battery went compleatly dead and when I charged it I only got like 20% into it before it said full. I had to buy a new battery.
So don't leave your XOOM with 1% battery for a long time. If you are not gonna use it for a prolonged time charge it up to about 75% before leaving it.
SEALen is correct, Lithium batteries should not be fully discharged it significantly shortens their lifespan, there is also no memory effect, the only battery type that ever did have one is NiCad.
The best way to keep a lithium battery healthy is to charge little and often, keep it topped up.
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SEALen is correct, Lithium batteries should not be fully discharged it significantly shortens their lifespan, there is also no memory effect, the only battery type that ever did have one is NiCad.
The best way to keep a lithium battery healthy is to charge little and often, keep it topped up.
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+ 1 to your arguments however if he is doing a calibration, i let it get to 1% before charging it again, i dont let it die i watch battery widget pro and watch the mA.. This will not fix a battery but give better indication of its lifespan
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its not that old, maybe 6 months old, about the last 3 times that my battery has nearly fully discharged, its not got all the way to 0% and has been going off at 3% but then when i plug the charger in and turn the tablet back on the battery shows as 0%
i also noticed the other day it was at about 4% battery and i wa son a pool game, the screen started flickering on and off, and then it turned off, not sure if that's just because it was on the very end of the battery, but was still around 4% anyway so should have been ok till 0%?
any ideas if i have something wrong or is it normal?
James
The tablet will shut off once the battery is depleted. Anywhere under 10% is normal. Letting your device run that low is hard on the battery and will reduce its lifespan.
Read this: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
The battery meter is not even remotely as accurate as you expect it to be. Its just an estimate of battery voltage versus how you are using the device. Don't expect it to be accurate to within a few percent, or even 5-10%.
Heck, I've had some devices show a drop of 20-30% and shutoff. Probably just some metering error, and it didn't happen often. But that tells you how inaccurate the meter can be.
As another mentioned, deep cycles are not good for the long term life of Li ion batteries. Charge fully and frequently.
So I've noticed some weird battery behavior on my Pixel 2 XL and was wondering if anyone else has noticed this.
I normally like to ;et the battery drain down into 5% or so before plugging it in and letting it charge through to 100%. I started noticing that a full charge would take me nearly 2 hours fully charge. A couple of times last week, I had to step out and the phone was charged approximately 95%. I unplugged the charger and walked to my car (about 5-6 minutes to get to the car) and when I looked at my phone, charge had dropped to 88%. Over the next few days I noticed this kind of excessive drain immediately after unplugging the charger. Aside from this, I still achieve 24+ hrs of battery life on a single charge so I am not sure that it is a HUGE issue, but one I felt shouldn't be happening nonetheless. Last night the same happened - unplugged around 95% and i literally saw the battery indicator go to 93%, 91%, 88% and then stop at 87% in about a minute. I immediately called Google support, shared my screen, and after speaking with the person on the phone - i was told I should definitely RMA, which i did..so I have a replacement coming.
I don't use always on display or always listening and I am extremely good at clearing open apps before I put the screen to sleep. I have noticed this at home, on my wifi as i always need a charge later in the day when I'm home from work. Also, I use the OEM charging wire and brick.
Anyone else notice this ?
I have not noticed battery drain fast after unplugging at full charge level. I would say you probably should RMA the device. Also it is not good to let lithium-ion batteries go down to low levels a lot like that, it will degrade the battery faster. The less you let the battery go down to low levels, the more charge cycles you will have, which means long battery life over time.
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I have not noticed battery drain fast after unplugging at full charge level. I would say you probably should RMA the device. Also it is not good to let lithium-ion batteries go down to low levels a lot like that, it will degrade the battery faster. The less you let the battery go down to low levels, the more charge cycles you will have, which means long battery life over time.
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I definitely did RMA, it was a painless process.
And I always thought that maximizing the charge of the phone (letting it get low, then charging up) would actually keep the battery healthier as it would reduce the # of times I charged it. Am i way off base with my logic for that?!
Going into my third week with my 2 XL and I haven't seen anything abnormal regarding battery drain.
I do practice the method of unplugging at 85% and plugging back in around 15% (per Accubattery's reco, and other reading done online)....
There's no proof that it helps as suggested, and while I realize that only allows me access to 70% of the battery's charge potential, I'm rarely, if ever, away from a plug for more than half a day.
This theory worked well in my 6P until it got the intermittent BLOD... My battery health was around 84% (via Accubattery) after 17 months of pretty heavy use.
Again, not sure it is solid fact or not, but you could always try it for a month and see if there is any noticeable difference in battery drain.
Thank you for that insight! I will absolutely do some research. You're battery health after 17 months is really impressive. I just switched from a Nexus 6p that was definitely showing signs of wear after 2 years of fairly standard use. I hadn't used accubattery, but I will download it on my new replacement and monitor results.
I will say though, that aside from that slight blip i noticed - the battery (andOS optimization i'm assuming) is amazing. I get through a day plus easily. So, anything I can do to keep that consistent or squeeze more time out of it is a no brainer.
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Going into my third week with my 2 XL and I haven't seen anything abnormal regarding battery drain.
I do practice the method of unplugging at 85% and plugging back in around 15% (per Accubattery's reco, and other reading done online)....
There's no proof that it helps as suggested, and while I realize that only allows me access to 70% of the battery's charge potential, I'm rarely, if ever, away from a plug for more than half a day.
This theory worked well in my 6P until it got the intermittent BLOD... My battery health was around 84% (via Accubattery) after 17 months of pretty heavy use.
Again, not sure it is solid fact or not, but you could always try it for a month and see if there is any noticeable difference in battery drain.
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I definitely did RMA, it was a painless process.
And I always thought that maximizing the charge of the phone (letting it get low, then charging up) would actually keep the battery healthier as it would reduce the # of times I charged it. Am i way off base with my logic for that?!
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Lithium-ion batteries work on charge cycles and are happier between 50-85% charge levels. You cannot really "overcharge" the battery because the phone will stop charging at 100% and just trickle charge to keep the battery at this level. But unplugging it after full charge defiantly wont hurt. If you keep the battery at higher levels I would't be surprised that you would get 1500+ charge cycl.es out of the phone before any real degradation which should easily get you years of good battery life. I find the battery life on the XL to be awesome and it lasts me throughout the day with still 40% battery life left and that is with pretty heavy usage.
Seem like the battery deceased so fast after 2months of usage.
7+ hrs usage... Still alright...
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Seem like the battery deceased so fast after 2months of usage.
7+ hrs usage... Still alright...
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Is this the first time it happened or this is what's happening all the time now. If it's first time then the system could've read wrong voltage/charge. But if it's constantly happening then I'd say something is wrong. If you want I'd say call up Samsung or your carrier and have them send you a different unit if you don't feel comfortable.
Mine was doing this at 3% for awhile and suddenly it's back to shutting down to 1%
You should be more concerned about leting your device reaching that low on battery, it is very bad for batteries to almost completely discharge, that is really, really worrisome, if for any reason your usage is that demanding and you can not plug your device to an electrical outlet, get a powerbank or a battery case
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You should be more concerned about leting your device reaching that low on battery, it is very bad for batteries to almost completely discharge, that is really, really worrisome, if for any reason your usage is that demanding and you can not plug your device to an electrical outlet, get a powerbank or a battery case
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I second this. Folks don't understand just how bad discharging their batteries is for the battery longevity. This is why you see so many folks that kill their batteries in 2-3 years. Even a 3 year old battery will still retain a good amount of its original capacity if you do not expose it to full drain and recharge cycles. Top up and top up frequently. This is the best way to ensure a long battery life.
Pretty sure the battery has a system built in to monitor and manage real full depletion.
It probably doesn't deplete to the point of damage.
As far as what percentage it dies on, I mean that percentage is just an algorithm to estimate battery life. It's probably not very precise especially when a percentage is the value output.
I try not to let mine drop below 20% and charge to 80%
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Hi all,
occasionally I see my 7 months old Pixel 3a XL can't hold battery power from 11% down. Switches off very fast, abnormally fast. Then if I power it and start it then keeps on restarting until battery level is higher than 5-6%
I use the original charger only. Sometimes it appears, some it does not and I can see it discharges as expected.
I try to keep my battery within 40-100% full and discharge it very rarely to 0%.
Anyone facing those abnormalities? Can't think of connected events - updates, etc ....
Cheers
p.s. after last night happening again, charged the phone from 0% to 86% (phone was off during charge), turned on on 86% and left over night on the shelf. Usually drains 2-3%, this morning it dropped from 86% to 62%. All connections off, nothing unusual shown in the battery usage stats...
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Hi all,
occasionally I see my 7 months old Pixel 3a XL can't hold battery power from 11% down. Switches off very fast, abnormally fast. Then if I power it and start it then keeps on restarting until battery level is higher than 5-6%
I use the original charger only. Sometimes it appears, some it does not and I can see it discharges as expected.
I try to keep my battery within 40-100% full and discharge it very rarely to 0%.
Anyone facing those abnormalities? Can't think of connected events - updates, etc ....
Cheers
p.s. after last night happening again, charged the phone from 0% to 86% (phone was off during charge), turned on on 86% and left over night on the shelf. Usually drains 2-3%, this morning it dropped from 86% to 62%. All connections off, nothing unusual shown in the battery usage stats...
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That's pretty weird
My 3a xl (about the same age as yours) doesn't use more than 10% max when left overnight. Are you using AOD or anything?
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@Skittles9823 nothing beside stock Android and apps that I've used forever. Strange is that it's occasional - also occassional is initial drain from 100% to 92%.
Maybe its time to flash it - nothing suspicious is shown in batt stats
I use the fast charger that came with it. Not sure how it affects battery life long term. I try to keep it 100% to 40% usually and not charge it if not necessary..
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@Skittles9823
I use the fast charger that came with it. Not sure how it affects battery life long term. I try to keep it 100% to 40% usually and not charge it if not necessary..
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I think popular wisdom is that both fast charging and in particular charging to 100% are not kind to the battery's longivety. Divided opinion about the effect of discharging to low percentages. Personally I charge to between 70 and 80% unless I know I'm going to need more capacity. 3a XL has a bigish battery, which helps. I recharge most nights but only to 70-80%. End of day I usually end up between high 40's and low 30's charge.
I manually set all apps I don't actually need to run in background to 'restricted' background use.
I charge mine up to a 100% often, when using it heavy.. I never heard of charging a battery to 100% being bad for it, unless you believe everything that is told or should I say sold to you.. Sounds like a faulty battery. If still under the 1 yr usual warranty I would have it replaced. I have drained mine down to less than 20% and still never experience any issue that OP state.
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I never heard of charging a battery to 100% being bad for it
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Some research references in here
https://accubattery.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/210224725-Charging-research-and-methodology
https://accubattery.zendesk.com/hc/...-Cycle-Life-Modeling-of-Lithium-Ion-Batteries
Also Apple have actually introduced a feature to stop/postpone 100% charging when the phone thinks it's not required. Would be good if we had similar/more control for Android.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210512
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Some research references in here
https://accubattery.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/210224725-Charging-research-and-methodology
https://accubattery.zendesk.com/hc/...-Cycle-Life-Modeling-of-Lithium-Ion-Batteries
Also Apple have actually introduced a feature to stop/postpone 100% charging when the phone thinks it's not required. Would be good if we had similar/more control for Android.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210512
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I'm still not sold on the idea that charging a battery to 100% is bad.. But thanks for those links.
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I'm still not sold on the idea that charging a battery to 100% is bad.. But thanks for those links.
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It's actually true. Lithium Ion batters degrade over time, the speed of which, depends on the amount of battery cycles they go through (0-100% and vice versa). Others have done the research and the math and found that generally a 20% to 80% and vice versa charge seems to be the best for longevity.
Personally I charge to 100 but try to charge my phone when it gets to 20-30%.
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I'm still not sold on the idea that charging a battery to 100% is bad.. But thanks for those links.
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Evidence and research is there. Of course you don't have to believe it. It's your phone, your battery, your money
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Evidence and research is there. Of course you don't have to believe it. It's your phone, your battery, your money
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So very true my phone my money. In all my years of using cell phones, I think I have actually replaced a battery once because it went bad.
Thank you all for the links and the inputs!
One more symptom - when is very low like this morning - 1% and put it in charger - phone shuts off.
I will keep the battery in 40-80% for the future and limit the drain below 40%. I tried to charge it slow with USB - took me like 6-7 hours...
How long it takes you from zero to 100% with the stock charger - looks very fast to me - 0% to 67% in 35 mins
I personally tried to research and could not find what is worse for these batteries - number of cycles (obvious less when used below 40%) or the low capacity usage ?
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Thank you all for the links and the inputs!
One more symptom - when is very low like this morning - 1% and put it in charger - phone shuts off.
I will keep the battery in 40-80% for the future and limit the drain below 40%. I tried to charge it slow with USB - took me like 6-7 hours...
How long it takes you from zero to 100% with the stock charger - looks very fast to me - 0% to 67% in 35 mins
I personally tried to research and could not find what is worse for these batteries - number of cycles (obvious less when used below 40%) or the low capacity usage ?
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The included charger is a fast charger, good for headlining how fast it charges, not so great for the battery. I just use a 'standard' (Anker) USB charger.
Jury's out on if deeper discharge is bad, but it's the number of complete cycles (0-100% counting as 1). So 40 - 80% is 0.4 of a full cycle, and you're not stressing the battery so much by taking it to 100%. Many folk here replace their phones frequently enough not to be bothered by all this - if they sell it when 20% of the battery capacity's gone, that's fine.
I've observed the behaviour and few things made me question myself...one time I can see 13% battery and palying Youtube just shutdown the phone. Put it into charger and started showing 4% as initial charge.
There was another time when using Viber video shutdown in 23% but can be overheat or software bug.
I try to keep it these days above 40% charge but still use the supplied charger till I buy new slower one.
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I've observed the behaviour and few things made me question myself...one time I can see 13% battery and palying Youtube just shutdown the phone. Put it into charger and started showing 4% as initial charge.
There was another time when using Viber video shutdown in 23% but can be overheat or software bug.
I try to keep it these days above 40% charge but still use the supplied charger till I buy new slower one.
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The good news is that this phone seems to be pretty easy to repair and a battery replacement could very well be a good option for you, especially since you wouldn't be compromising any water resistance or anything