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[Q] Strange Drain Mugen Battery

I have a 3900 mAh battery from Mugen. Ive noticed the battery lasts about 30 hours. But I find something very strange. It drains around 96% in just 15 minutes on straight boot after charging every time. In fact, the first 80% of so drains pretty quickly? Ive had it in my phone for about 2 weeks. Has anyone else noticed this or know why this may be happening. Also when at 100%, and i inplug it, goes straight to 98!

Have you done a battery calibration? Get the Battery Calibration app from the play store.
There's some argument as to whether this does anything or not, but have you conditioned the battery? That means letting it drain completely, then charging it continuously till it hits 100% - do that several times.

Its been proven that the app does nothing, which wipes battstats.ini or something
As for conditioning, its been down to around 3% before being charged. Ivehad the battery 2 weeks now.

Lithium Ion batteries have a very steep drain for about the first 15-20% and also slower charging from those levels. Once past that the drain is nearly linear, and then gets very steep at about 3.6v.
You can see it in the graphs here:
http://www.ibt-power.com/Battery_packs/Li_Ion/Lithium_ion_tech.html

Typically the way our devices are designed, they do not charge the battery to 100% full it can actually cause damage to lithium ion based batteries. what happens is the battery is charged to 95%-98% then the device stops the charge and allows the battery to drop to abut 85%-90% and then starts trickling it again. By design the batteris typically drain a little bit fast at the top level.
further more lithium ion batteries survive more recharge cycles if the D0D (depth of discharge) is about 25% remaining.
Basically you battery will last longer by the device not charging to 100% and letting it discharge slightly when in trickle mode, and if you don't let it die completely and charge it when it reaches around 15%-20% left.

-Mr. X- said:
Typically the way our devices are designed, they do not charge the battery to 100% full it can actually cause damage to lithium ion based batteries. what happens is the battery is charged to 95%-98% then the device stops the charge and allows the battery to drop to abut 85%-90% and then starts trickling it again. By design the batteris typically drain a little bit fast at the top level.
further more lithium ion batteries survive more recharge cycles if the D0D (depth of discharge) is about 25% remaining.
Basically you battery will last longer by the device not charging to 100% and letting it discharge slightly when in trickle mode, and if you don't let it die completely and charge it when it reaches around 15%-20% left.
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Hmm that kind of makes sense. Everyones been telling me to not let it drop to below 35% though cause it 'wears the battery out'. Ive been charging at around 40 cause thats where itd be after a full day at work and such.
Ive been getting concerned though because ive seen screenshots of people getting 31 hours with 7 hours of screen on time.
Im at 62%, 9.5 hours total, 1 hour 7 min screen on. Thats mostly with Wifi on though.
My stock battery used to drop 10% an hour on 4g, and this one dropped ~11% on 4g just now....

mknewman said:
Lithium Ion batteries have a very steep drain for about the first 15-20% and also slower charging from those levels. Once past that the drain is nearly linear, and then gets very steep at about 3.6v.
You can see it in the graphs here:
http://www.ibt-power.com/Battery_packs/Li_Ion/Lithium_ion_tech.html
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Thanks for the graph!
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Now at 36% And its just sitting off mostly with some light texting
Now 35!

Got a weird feeling the battery is messed up.
Its 3900mah, divide by 650 = 6 hour charge
Its been 6 hours and its at 46% with the phone off so its not using power, and on the wall charger.

Rekzer said:
Its been proven that the app does nothing
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I haven't heard that before. Got a source for that info?

mayonaise said:
I haven't heard that before. Got a source for that info?
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http://www.androidcentral.com/wiping-battery-stats-doesnt-improve-battery-life-says-google-engineer

How to do you charge your One X?

Just wondered how most people are charging there One X? Personally I always turn it off and allow it to charge until the light goes green. I've never charged it when it's still been turned on.

I've never switched off any of my android phone's whilst charging. What happens if you get a call? I also try to alternate between charging on my pc and the wall charger.

Maximus78 said:
I've never switched off any of my android phone's whilst charging. What happens if you get a call? I also try to alternate between charging on my pc and the wall charger.
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Yeah fair statement, I had thought about that. I wasn't sure if it was bad to say plug the phone in at 11pm until 7am (8 hours) charging whilst it being turned on? I assumed if it was going to be plugged in say for that long that you should turn it off.

I just plug it in - went to bed on 80% last night but fair enough I'd hardly used the phone all day (standby battery life is incredible)

EddyOS said:
I just plug it in - went to bed on 80% last night but fair enough I'd hardly used the phone all day (standby battery life is incredible)
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So you stuck it on charge just to boost that extra 20% yeah? How come you didn't just leave it until it was low?
Should of asked if people would partially charge it or if they always ensure its fully charged.. Can't amend the poll now though.

I was thinking about trying that - might do that tonight and see how it lasts...

I plug it in to a usb cable

i charge my hox every night on the wall charger while turned on. even if it has 80% left. i am to afraid that my battery level goes under 20% (i heard that falling under that level can damage batteries).

N3m3515 said:
i charge my hox every night on the wall charger while turned on. even if it has 80% left. i am to afraid that my battery level goes under 20% (i heard that falling under that level can damage batteries).
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Where did you hear that? Mines dropped to 14% before and I then turned it off and charged it and the battery still seems fine. Wasn't aware you could damage the battery if it got too low...

I killed my battery first 2 charges - never have in the past but thought I would this time

I have always charged with the phone on, all my phones since way back having an analogue Nokia mobile and never had any battery issues. Only time I have ever switched my phones off is if I was getting on a plane or the battery got really low and didn't want it to go completely flat.

Just plug it in whenever. Modern li-poly batteries doesn't have memory and charge cycle life is based on full charges.
Part charges actually increase life due to low % cycling

tsleng said:
Just plug it in whenever. Modern li-poly batteries doesn't have memory and charge cycle life is based on full charges.
Part charges actually increase life due to low % cycling
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Agreed.
One thing to note is that you should never let it completely drain the battery, the phone will switch itself off once the battery reaches critical level then it needs a charge. I'd recommend charging it when it reaches 5-15%.
Also I'd never leave it charging over night it interrupts the cycle, if I have to charge it over night I set an alarm to go of after a few hours and unplug it.

i have 3 or 4 charges from different makes-and only htc charges the quickest. the worst is usb cable and car charger. but due to usage i need to charge twice a day

Maximus78 said:
Also I'd never leave it charging over night it interrupts the cycle, if I have to charge it over night I set an alarm to go of after a few hours and unplug it.
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Dude...
I always charge overnight - purely for convenience really.
Can you explain the above to me? I'm not sure what you mean by it interupts the cycle?
How does it effect the battery ?
Thanks alot
Dean

tsleng said:
Just plug it in whenever. Modern li-poly batteries doesn't have memory and charge cycle life is based on full charges.
Part charges actually increase life due to low % cycling
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You are 100% right most modern phone battery’s don’t have memory any more so no need to worry about it, and no need to do full discharge and recharge cycles to maintain battery health, and if they do they normally tell you in warning labels or in instruction manuals, for example I recently bought a new shaver and it tells you to do a full discharge and then leave it on charge for at least 12 hours every 3 months to maintain battery life.

N3m3515 said:
i charge my hox every night on the wall charger while turned on. even if it has 80% left. i am to afraid that my battery level goes under 20% (i heard that falling under that level can damage batteries).
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batteries have safety features built in so don't worry. What for you looks like 0-1% left - what android is showing you, might be actually 10-20% as seen internally by the battery.
Also, I have completely discharged my phone once, I simply left it at 1% and waited until it shut off. Then I charged to 100%. From then on, I charge whenever I want, phone is always ON.

Ebay 2m cable (the HTC one's length is a joke).

I use a charging cable.
My friend sticks it next to his head and uses his brainwaves to charge it.
Both seem to work fine.
Im really sorry for this post. I could not resist.

You guys are ridiculous. Just plug the phone in and it charges.
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Excessive battery drain immediately after unplugging from charger?

So I've noticed some weird battery behavior on my Pixel 2 XL and was wondering if anyone else has noticed this.
I normally like to ;et the battery drain down into 5% or so before plugging it in and letting it charge through to 100%. I started noticing that a full charge would take me nearly 2 hours fully charge. A couple of times last week, I had to step out and the phone was charged approximately 95%. I unplugged the charger and walked to my car (about 5-6 minutes to get to the car) and when I looked at my phone, charge had dropped to 88%. Over the next few days I noticed this kind of excessive drain immediately after unplugging the charger. Aside from this, I still achieve 24+ hrs of battery life on a single charge so I am not sure that it is a HUGE issue, but one I felt shouldn't be happening nonetheless. Last night the same happened - unplugged around 95% and i literally saw the battery indicator go to 93%, 91%, 88% and then stop at 87% in about a minute. I immediately called Google support, shared my screen, and after speaking with the person on the phone - i was told I should definitely RMA, which i did..so I have a replacement coming.
I don't use always on display or always listening and I am extremely good at clearing open apps before I put the screen to sleep. I have noticed this at home, on my wifi as i always need a charge later in the day when I'm home from work. Also, I use the OEM charging wire and brick.
Anyone else notice this ?

I have not noticed battery drain fast after unplugging at full charge level. I would say you probably should RMA the device. Also it is not good to let lithium-ion batteries go down to low levels a lot like that, it will degrade the battery faster. The less you let the battery go down to low levels, the more charge cycles you will have, which means long battery life over time.

raidflex said:
I have not noticed battery drain fast after unplugging at full charge level. I would say you probably should RMA the device. Also it is not good to let lithium-ion batteries go down to low levels a lot like that, it will degrade the battery faster. The less you let the battery go down to low levels, the more charge cycles you will have, which means long battery life over time.
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I definitely did RMA, it was a painless process.
And I always thought that maximizing the charge of the phone (letting it get low, then charging up) would actually keep the battery healthier as it would reduce the # of times I charged it. Am i way off base with my logic for that?!

Going into my third week with my 2 XL and I haven't seen anything abnormal regarding battery drain.
I do practice the method of unplugging at 85% and plugging back in around 15% (per Accubattery's reco, and other reading done online)....
There's no proof that it helps as suggested, and while I realize that only allows me access to 70% of the battery's charge potential, I'm rarely, if ever, away from a plug for more than half a day.
This theory worked well in my 6P until it got the intermittent BLOD... My battery health was around 84% (via Accubattery) after 17 months of pretty heavy use.
Again, not sure it is solid fact or not, but you could always try it for a month and see if there is any noticeable difference in battery drain.

Thank you for that insight! I will absolutely do some research. You're battery health after 17 months is really impressive. I just switched from a Nexus 6p that was definitely showing signs of wear after 2 years of fairly standard use. I hadn't used accubattery, but I will download it on my new replacement and monitor results.
I will say though, that aside from that slight blip i noticed - the battery (andOS optimization i'm assuming) is amazing. I get through a day plus easily. So, anything I can do to keep that consistent or squeeze more time out of it is a no brainer.
Az Biker said:
Going into my third week with my 2 XL and I haven't seen anything abnormal regarding battery drain.
I do practice the method of unplugging at 85% and plugging back in around 15% (per Accubattery's reco, and other reading done online)....
There's no proof that it helps as suggested, and while I realize that only allows me access to 70% of the battery's charge potential, I'm rarely, if ever, away from a plug for more than half a day.
This theory worked well in my 6P until it got the intermittent BLOD... My battery health was around 84% (via Accubattery) after 17 months of pretty heavy use.
Again, not sure it is solid fact or not, but you could always try it for a month and see if there is any noticeable difference in battery drain.
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AceKingNYC said:
I definitely did RMA, it was a painless process.
And I always thought that maximizing the charge of the phone (letting it get low, then charging up) would actually keep the battery healthier as it would reduce the # of times I charged it. Am i way off base with my logic for that?!
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Lithium-ion batteries work on charge cycles and are happier between 50-85% charge levels. You cannot really "overcharge" the battery because the phone will stop charging at 100% and just trickle charge to keep the battery at this level. But unplugging it after full charge defiantly wont hurt. If you keep the battery at higher levels I would't be surprised that you would get 1500+ charge cycl.es out of the phone before any real degradation which should easily get you years of good battery life. I find the battery life on the XL to be awesome and it lasts me throughout the day with still 40% battery life left and that is with pretty heavy usage.

Is this battery behavior normal?

I've noticed that my 2 XL battery drains very fast after full charge, but then settles to acceptable drain rates from about 90%. I'd say it takes less than an hour to drop from 100 to 90% without basically any use. Often I can't even hit 100% when charging. More like 99/98% max. If it does charge to 100%, it stays there for a couple minutes tops, even if just on standby. Which leads me to my next issue...
This prompted me to calibrate my battery which seemed to help somewhat, but I found that I cannot monitor the charge rate when charging while the device is turned off. What is shown is just what "looks like" a full battery charged icon at all times, and the screen does not dim at any point during charge. It actually seems that the phone is frozen during charging when turned off, and needs a very long power button press to turn the phone on. I actually have two Pixel 2 XLs in front of me and they both do this! Is this a known issue?
In general I am getting 5-6 hours screen-on time per charge which seems about right from what I've read. But that initial fast drain and "freezing" while charging when turned off is puzzling. Any common experiences or insight?

nobaddreams said:
I've noticed that my 2 XL battery drains very fast after full charge, but then settles to acceptable drain rates from about 90%. I'd say it takes less than an hour to drop from 100 to 90% without basically any use. Often I can't even hit 100% when charging. More like 99/98% max. If it does charge to 100%, it stays there for a couple minutes tops, even if just on standby. Which leads me to my next issue...
This prompted me to calibrate my battery which seemed to help somewhat, but I found that I cannot monitor the charge rate when charging while the device is turned off. What is shown is just what "looks like" a full battery charged icon at all times, and the screen does not dim at any point during charge. It actually seems that the phone is frozen during charging when turned off, and needs a very long power button press to turn the phone on. I actually have two Pixel 2 XLs in front of me and they both do this! Is this a known issue?
In general I am getting 5-6 hours screen-on time per charge which seems about right from what I've read. But that initial fast drain and "freezing" while charging when turned off is puzzling. Any common experiences or insight?
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It may be that the battery is not fully charged when the phone is telling you it is 100%. When using Accubattery to manually benchmark the battery, I found that my phones were still taking a low charge current (as measured by AB) for 45 minutes to sometimes even one hour after the phone was reading 100%. AB will register 100% when the phone's charging circuit cuts off to zero (and notify you). Using AB for a while will also give you a very close approximation of the remaining capacity of your battery relative to a new battery. When my 2XL was new, I was getting just over 100% (~103%). A year later, it is in the high 90's.

Thanks for the tip on Accubattery. I am going to give that a try for a while. So have you been charging up to 100% regularly in spite of what's recommended by this app?

nobaddreams said:
Thanks for the tip on Accubattery. I am going to give that a try for a while. So have you been charging up to 100% regularly in spite of what's recommended by this app?
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Yes, I turn the 80% alarm crap off and leave it on the charger all night. It is fully charged before I go to bed but I leave it on the charger all night. I use AB for bench marking my battery's capacity and it's real good at that... if you start from when AB says your battery is full. You will see it converge to a % capacity after only 2-3 full discharges. I'm just guessing but I think you are not completely filling the battery to it's full capacity. At least using AB for a while will a) provide you with your battery's true capacity wrt a new battery, and b) will rule out you not charging up fully as your mystery 100-90% quick-drop. Please do report back. :good:

Phone shutdown at 4% left

Seem like the battery deceased so fast after 2months of usage.
7+ hrs usage... Still alright...

weretiger said:
Seem like the battery deceased so fast after 2months of usage.
7+ hrs usage... Still alright...
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Is this the first time it happened or this is what's happening all the time now. If it's first time then the system could've read wrong voltage/charge. But if it's constantly happening then I'd say something is wrong. If you want I'd say call up Samsung or your carrier and have them send you a different unit if you don't feel comfortable.

Mine was doing this at 3% for awhile and suddenly it's back to shutting down to 1%

You should be more concerned about leting your device reaching that low on battery, it is very bad for batteries to almost completely discharge, that is really, really worrisome, if for any reason your usage is that demanding and you can not plug your device to an electrical outlet, get a powerbank or a battery case

winol said:
You should be more concerned about leting your device reaching that low on battery, it is very bad for batteries to almost completely discharge, that is really, really worrisome, if for any reason your usage is that demanding and you can not plug your device to an electrical outlet, get a powerbank or a battery case
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I second this. Folks don't understand just how bad discharging their batteries is for the battery longevity. This is why you see so many folks that kill their batteries in 2-3 years. Even a 3 year old battery will still retain a good amount of its original capacity if you do not expose it to full drain and recharge cycles. Top up and top up frequently. This is the best way to ensure a long battery life.

Pretty sure the battery has a system built in to monitor and manage real full depletion.
It probably doesn't deplete to the point of damage.
As far as what percentage it dies on, I mean that percentage is just an algorithm to estimate battery life. It's probably not very precise especially when a percentage is the value output.

I try not to let mine drop below 20% and charge to 80%
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