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You know back in the day I use to rely on cnet reviews in order to assist in my hardware purchases. That was a very long time ago. That being said I subscribe to Google Tech News and ran across this gem. http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-20094766-256/windows-phone-7-challenge-week-2-the-verdict/?tag=mncol This is by far the most hilarious review of Windows Phone I've come across yet. I mean seriously this woman spent two weeks with the phone and got out of it what an average person may have in the first 3 hours. Absolutely priceless and comical if you regularly use this device and have a 3 digit IQ. After reading this thing I feel like a rocket scientist for being able to find my Skydrive Camera Roll in my Pictures Hub. Yes, it's that good.
P.S. - Considering there are people like this out there and dare I say they are the majority perhaps Microsoft should consider building a better introduction of features into the intial boot of the phone.
The WP7 UI is already simple and intuitive, shouldn't be really hard to use. But yeah, there should be a quick guide after phone setup since most people (including this woman) probably don't read the quick start guide first before using the product.
If you read the first part of the review, or any of her previous articles, you'll find she's actually closer to an Android power user. She is not dumb in any way.
Sorry but you can't blame the user on this one; if she couldn't find stuff in 2 weeks, it's because the OS is at fault.
well, i'm sure brandon watson wouldn't mind donating that 1k anyway
a better PR move will be to donate that 1k, after the user tried it, regardless of whether he/she likes it or not
creates positive publicity at the end
Aphasaic2002 said:
If you read the first part of the review, or any of her previous articles, you'll find she's actually closer to an Android power user. She is not dumb in any way.
Sorry but you can't blame the user on this one; if she couldn't find stuff in 2 weeks, it's because the OS is at fault.
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Agreed.
And her comments regarding Bing Map, Turn-by-turn navigation and Skyfire are unfortunately valid.
She did note that she didn't bother search for anything. She just tried to use the phone without digging into anything.
She didn't know what the hotmail email icon was or how to turn it off.. when it is only 3 taps away.
She couldn't find facebook chat even though it is integrated into messaging.. she just didn't *look* for anything.
Her primary criticisms are completely valid, though.
1. Turn by Turn should not require user interaction after a course is set
2. speech to text should be built more into the OS instead of limited to a few basic functions
3. it is difficult to access skydrive if you're not using it to open office documents or browse pictures. There's no universal cloud access for general purposes made available in the OS.. which is also a valid complaint.
4. It's not very simple to make a playlist in the Zune player.. you can't just long press on a song or an album and add it to a playlist.. you can only generate a playlist from your "now playing" internal playlist (you can save this as a new playlist) or using SmartDJ.
Most of these things aren't a big deal to me. Thankfully there is a "how to" section included in build 7720 for new users to go over the basic functions.
It's very easy to use, imo.. and is laid out in a way that makes sense.. but the average user isn't going to find every single little feature without help.
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She did note that she didn't bother search for anything. She just tried to use the phone without digging into anything.
She didn't know what the hotmail email icon was or how to turn it off.. when it is only 3 taps away.
She couldn't find facebook chat even though it is integrated into messaging.. she just didn't *look* for anything.
Her primary criticisms are completely valid, though.
1. Turn by Turn should not require user interaction after a course is set
2. speech to text should be built more into the OS instead of limited to a few basic functions
3. it is difficult to access skydrive if you're not using it to open office documents or browse pictures. There's no universal cloud access for general purposes made available in the OS.. which is also a valid complaint.
4. It's not very simple to make a playlist in the Zune player.. you can't just long press on a song or an album and add it to a playlist.. you can only generate a playlist from your "now playing" internal playlist (you can save this as a new playlist) or using SmartDJ.
Most of these things aren't a big deal to me. Thankfully there is a "how to" section included in build 7720 for new users to go over the basic functions.
It's very easy to use, imo.. and is laid out in a way that makes sense.. but the average user isn't going to find every single little feature without help.
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This is supposed to be a professional review. As such, there is a duty to find actual answers and solutions to problems. Sure, it is ok for her to try and do things without reading or looking for help. It is not ok to end a review without providing those answers or solutions.
This is juvenile journalism. It is sad that the current level of technology journalism has regressed instead of progressed. If our current journalists were to be compared to operating systems, they would be somewhere between DOS and Windows 3.1.
Many of the things she stated, as a journalist, were simply poor observations. The statements she made about Zune Pass should make that abundantly clear. She has no clue. I don't care if she is "considered" an Android guru. Who gave her that crown? I would love to go over her Android skills, if I only had that much time. If this review is any indication of her skills, she is a hack.
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This is supposed to be a professional review. As such, there is a duty to find actual answers and solutions to problems. Sure, it is ok for her to try and do things without reading or looking for help. It is not ok to end a review without providing those answers or solutions.
This is juvenile journalism. It is sad that the current level of technology journalism has regressed instead of progressed. If our current journalists were to be compared to operating systems, they would be somewhere between DOS and Windows 3.1.
Many of the things she stated, as a journalist, were simply poor observations. The statements she made about Zune Pass should make that abundantly clear. She has no clue. I don't care if she is "considered" an Android guru. Who gave her that crown? I would love to go over her Android skills, if I only had that much time. If this review is any indication of her skills, she is a hack.
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Amen! You know this whole thing of being PC on the internet allows some pretty assnine people to become prevalent personlities in the tech scene with almost zero credibility. Just cuse some chick can find the on button on an Android device does not make her a guru.
Aphasaic2002 said:
If you read the first part of the review, or any of her previous articles, you'll find she's actually closer to an Android power user. She is not dumb in any way.
Sorry but you can't blame the user on this one; if she couldn't find stuff in 2 weeks, it's because the OS is at fault.
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Sorry, but this is not how a professional reviewer works. One thing is claiming that some feature or functionality is not supported on the device. Another entirely different one is to say that it is indeed supported, but it is hard to find or know how to do.
It should have been her job to make sure what she can and she cannot do on the phone, and if it was too hard to find, then say so, but DO NOT say its not supported or that it cannot be done. Shame on her for this.
I doubt she used d phone for more than an hour. Hoe can u miss out on those things when ur a techie? D article is biased and no effort was put into it whatsoever.
How ever, android is more straight forward w its 'pc' like interface.. For me, I use a PC almost 10hours a day. Don't want a phone that resembles my desktop.. That's where wp7 cones in.
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wow
this is one DUMB broad
Alrighty then
I would never trust a review with a woman with such a freakishly large left shoulder.
The chip is weighting the other one down.
I'm using Mango 7720 and i never had random reboots on my hd7
I'm using my phone without rebooting for a week without any problems
In Germany we say: "Frauen und Technik" xD
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shades of OJ??
I'm reminded of a certain someone trying on a pair a gloves. He didn't *want* them to fit, so he made it difficult for them to fit, thus "proving" they didn't. Molly seems to be looking for ways to make her WP experience as disagreeable as possible. She wants it to fall short of Android, so she focuses on all the ways its not Android. She's clearly lost some credibility in my eyes.
Rafael Rivera has just twitted back that Windows Phones do not have Carrier IQ.
UPDATE: Joe Belfiore has twitted that Windows Phone doesn't have Carrier IQ.
I am glad that Microsoft didn't permit this little "extra" on Windows Phone.
If you don't know Carrier IQ is, you'll be able to find it on the front page of The Huffington Post and other new sites. In short terms, it records anything (and everything) you do on your phone and sent it back to the mothership, Carrier IQ, Inc.
Direct link to The Huffington Post article
**** crazy!!!!!
Blackberry, Nokia, Android, who else !!!!!
vetvito said:
**** crazy!!!!!
Blackberry, Nokia, Android, who else !!!!!
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That basically covers everything, I'm going to make the fairly safe guess that iOS does this in some form or other...
andrewkeith5 said:
That basically covers everything, I'm going to make the fairly safe guess that iOS does this in some form or other...
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IOS had their own scandal a few months ago about tracking users location data and transmitting it.
scoobysnacks said:
IOS had their own scandal a few months ago about tracking users location data and transmitting it.
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Both iOS and Windows Phone have had their moments, but they no where as extensive as this.
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That basically covers everything, I'm going to make the fairly safe guess that iOS does this in some form or other...
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You guess wrong.
scoobysnacks said:
IOS had their own scandal a few months ago about tracking users location data and transmitting it.
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That "scandal" was proven completely baseless. The GPS data that was stored was never transmitted anywhere, and was the result of a iOS bug (which has been fixed).
Was it also a "scandal" that a bug in NoDo (which I understand has been fixed in Mango) caused WP7 devices to continue to store and transmit users' location data, even when they had specifically opted out of that feature?
Thank god that such a thing isn't allowed in Europe. Therefore it isn't installed on any European device.
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You guess wrong.
That "scandal" was proven completely baseless. The GPS data that was stored was never transmitted anywhere, and was the result of a iOS bug (which has been fixed).
Was it also a "scandal" that a bug in NoDo (which I understand has been fixed in Mango) caused WP7 devices to continue to store and transmit users' location data, even when they had specifically opted out of that feature?
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I smell an angry IOS fanboy lol...
Proof that was proven to be FALSE there fanboy?
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if anything what you said was completely false...
They were logging it, apparently only to point out hot spots and such, though how is that known?
http://9to5mac.com/2011/04/27/apple-sets-the-record-straight-on-location-tracking-promises-fix/
Sorry fanboy, but I'm not the fanboy here. I just have zero tolerance for hyperbole (and illiteracy, since you apparently are not able to read the link you posted, which confirms exactly what I posted earlier). And FYI, I don't even own an iPhone.
And I notice that you also conveniently ignored the fact that Microsoft was transmitting user location data from WP7 devices, and was sued for it in September.
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Thank god that such a thing isn't allowed in Europe. Therefore it isn't installed on any European device.
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On the Evo 3D, where much of this began, the European/GSM version of the phone actually has the ability to log more than the CDMA one. But, it's also important to note that just because it logs, or has the ability to log, something most of that information is never sent anywhere.
The problem is there's absolutely no way to stop it from running without modifying the ROM, so it always sits in the back ground showing down the phone and wasting space. Not to mention the risk of information links.
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Sorry fanboy, but I'm not the fanboy here. I just have zero tolerance for hyperbole (and illiteracy, since you apparently are not able to read the link you posted, which confirms exactly what I posted earlier). And FYI, I don't even own an iPhone.
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This is the Windows Phone section, nobody should be surprised that there might be a bit of a bias in some people. Some things are worth calling out, this is so minor that it could have been left alone.
PG2G said:
This is the Windows Phone section, nobody should be surprised that there might be a bit of a bias in some people. Some things are worth calling out, this is so minor that it could have been left alone.
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You're probably right. I should know what to expect from him, but I let it get the better of me.
In any case (trying to get back on topic), it is a good thing that at least two of the major phone OS companies (Microsoft and Apple) have enough respect for their customers' privacy to not allow CIQ on their phones. The only thing that concerns me is that Nokia has apparently been favorable to it on their other phones. I just hope this doesn't end up affecting WP7/WP8 down the road.
I like how you ignored the quote I posted lol..
For the record, carrier IQ was also found on IOS
http://mobile.theverge.com/2011/11/30/2601875/carrier-iq-references-discovered-apple-ios-iphone
I guess I'm glad my HD2 is now running Mango instead of Gingerbread.
What bothers me is that people believe ciq is bad, but when microsoft has a backdoor that allows them to remotely remove applications, its considered acceptable. If that backdoor is possible, who's to say they can't turn on or install ciq anytime they want ?
This is not an ios/android/bb/wp issue, if you leave the door open, it will be used.
Root, rom, irradicate ?
I personally am not of the opinion that CIQ is bad. Let's be honest, we know from the London riots earlier this year that it clearly isn't used by the authorities as it took weeks for Blackberry to give up their BBM logs.
In my opinion, if you've nothing to hide you've nothing to worry about it. I don't have a problem with my phone logging what I do - it might make it easier to find and fix a fault one day - but then, I don't have anything to hide. If I did, I probably would use something a bit more secure than the base apps on my off-the-shelf mobile.
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What bothers me is that people believe ciq is bad, but when microsoft has a backdoor that allows them to remotely remove applications, its considered acceptable.
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First of all, when MS has some "backdoor" in their OS, that´s ok, if RIM has on theirs BB OS, that´s ok, if Apple has one on their iOS, that´s also ok. But if a third party company has this kind of malware on the device, that´s not OK.
Another thing, why are you so sure that MS has some kind of backdoor on Windows Phone 7 OS?
Why did Robo disappear when it was confirmed this was found on iOS?
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What bothers me is that people believe ciq is bad, but when microsoft has a backdoor that allows them to remotely remove applications, its considered acceptable. If that backdoor is possible, who's to say they can't turn on or install ciq anytime they want ?
This is not an ios/android/bb/wp issue, if you leave the door open, it will be used.
Root, rom, irradicate ?
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IOS, blackberry, and android all have remote removal and remote wipe cabilitites on their phones as well. To my knowledge none of the companies (including Microsoft) have ever used the remote uninstall capability.
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I personally am not of the opinion that CIQ is bad. Let's be honest, we know from the London riots earlier this year that it clearly isn't used by the authorities as it took weeks for Blackberry to give up their BBM logs.
In my opinion, if you've nothing to hide you've nothing to worry about it. I don't have a problem with my phone logging what I do - it might make it easier to find and fix a fault one day - but then, I don't have anything to hide. If I did, I probably would use something a bit more secure than the base apps on my off-the-shelf mobile.
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It has less to do with having something to hide than having information misused. There have been plenty of people convicted of crimes they did not commit. And that info could be used to prosecute you for someone else's crime. Criminals don't necessarily carry a phone that is tracking their location.
widely published articles like this don't help the platform, regardless of their accuracy. don't shoot the messenger.
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Goodbye, Nokia Lumia 800: £400 and one month on, it didn't work out
It's only when you live with a new phone that you discover whether you like it or not. From love at first sight, Nokia's new Windows Phone offering has turned out to be not so enthralling. Want to buy a used phone?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2011/dec/30/nokia-lumia-800-goodbye
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But Tell Me, Windows Phone's voice recognition app is hard-wired into Bing. Do a search in that mode and it won't use Google. As a result, I don't trust the answers and would revert back to keying in the query on Google.
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This (strange) comment really belies how biased this 'review' is. Toss this article into the heap of fanboy posts. How is this on the guardian website, are they stooping to link-bait articles?
What a dumb thing to say. Don't trust bing? Yeah its all a conspiracy out to brainwash you
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What a dumb thing to say. Don't trust bing? Yeah its all a conspiracy out to brainwash you
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agreed...how someone could say they trust Google over Bing is beyond me.
This is just one guys oppinion, those Luminas sold, a buch of people went out and got them and swear by them. I am a Windows fan no dout but he failed to point out what really makes WP not all that great like WM. Sure Windows Phone is better than WM in the sense that it doesn't freez up as much and it is more pretty but WM gave the user more choices and the ability to actually do useful stuff on it. I agree that Zune sucks ass and don't understand why MS went the iPhone route on it with it's lame limitations, I mean come on; are you [email protected] me, you can't even send or receive MMS message that include Audio/Video (Only pictures) my old crappy WM6.1 could do that and how along ago was that? Hopefuly people are right when they say to give it a chance because the OS is only 2 years old for Windows Phone sake if they really ever plan to make it in the long run. We will have to see what Tango or Apollo brings but quite frankly there is a reason why people write negative rviews about the phone, MS needs to start listening to people instead of telling what they can and can't do.
Is it a coincidence all the smartphone articles I see from the Guardian are negative? negative news = mass page hits from whomever you pissed off. My take...
(FWIW alot of the Guardian articles I have been linked to were RIM related, so I may only see one side of it. Lol)
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What a dumb thing to say. Don't trust bing? Yeah its all a conspiracy out to brainwash you
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Nice spin. It was fairly obvious that when the author wrote about "trust" it is about accuracy and completeness of data. I don't trust Bing, because more often than not it delivers sub-par results, whether that is an address search, or a subject-matter query. I cannot rely on Bing to give me the results I need consistently, so I go back to Google every time.
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Is it a coincidence all the smartphone articles I see from the Guardian are negative? negative news = mass page hits from whomever you pissed off. My take...
(FWIW alot of the Guardian articles I have been linked to were RIM related, so I may only see one side of it. Lol)
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its the guardian
its complete crap. I have yet to read one article about anything worth mentioning from the guardian. It's like both the guardian and sun may as well be in tow for awful reporting and sensationalism
that's some wank article! - the shameful thing is some Steve Jobs' pet has written something that's shared over 1000 times combined on twitter and facebook!
Surely was written on a hung over morning or a drunken night. He is just a journalist. SEE what the actual TECHY people say - http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/why-i-dont-want-an-iphone-any-more-50006257/?tag=mncol;txt
Embiggens said:
from the article-
This (strange) comment really belies how biased this 'review' is. Toss this article into the heap of fanboy posts. How is this on the guardian website, are they stooping to link-bait articles?
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Hang on, this isn't odd behaviour at all. I'm the exact same way. Why?
Because again and again, Bing is wrong about stuff.
Map locations being the worst. We went to Ottawa over Christmas. I entered my sister's address into Bing maps, and it showed them as living downtown... about 30km away.
Google maps was correct, and I had to type in less info.
When I'm in my city, I go to Bing, and I type in something like "123 Cedar", it will return things like "Cedar Pine Resort" or "1-2-3 Lawn Care". Useless.
It also fails to come up with some simple results when searching for things, whereas Google seems to just know what you're looking for. Sorry, but Google is a superior product in every conceivable way. I love wp, but I never ever use Bing.
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Hang on, this isn't odd behaviour at all. I'm the exact same way. Why?
Because again and again, Bing is wrong about stuff.
Map locations being the worst. We went to Ottawa over Christmas. I entered my sister's address into Bing maps, and it showed them as living downtown... about 30km away.
Google maps was correct, and I had to type in less info.
When I'm in my city, I go to Bing, and I type in something like "123 Cedar", it will return things like "Cedar Pine Resort" or "1-2-3 Lawn Care". Useless.
It also fails to come up with some simple results when searching for things, whereas Google seems to just know what you're looking for. Sorry, but Google is a superior product in every conceivable way. I love wp, but I never ever use Bing.
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In the UK, specifically London, Bing maps is spot on, even on the inner streets of the city! Guardian's fanboy surely was in UK while reviewing the phone!
^ are your location settings correct?
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This (strange) comment really belies how biased this 'review' is. Toss this article into the heap of fanboy posts. How is this on the guardian website, are they stooping to link-bait articles?
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Microsoft's search engines are not their forte`. Even their WP7 Marketplace search engine is way sub-par and omits many results. It requires a user to be very specific about what they are trying to find. Google's search engine is Google's forte`. Google's whole business is centered on their search engine. It's natural that their search system would be better and more trustworthy.
Microsoft's forte` is the PC OS and they are world class with it. None others can compete with them...not even Apple. But Microsoft's Bing Maps and nav are better than Google's...in my opinion. And also WP7 is better than the best smartphone system, the iPhone. So Microsoft can compete in many ways. But the search engine is not one of them. They have some serious work to do to even approach Google's.
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^ are your location settings correct?
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Please go on
I think he's got some valid points. I can't believe the single global volume setting hasn't been fixed a year after launch (how hard can it be to have separate "media" volume setting for Zune and other apps). Likewise I too don't trust the accuracy of the Bing search and so have resorted to a Google tile pinned to my start screen.
It's too easy to dismiss this as a fanboy review (some of his complaints are personal/misguided [e.g. timer app being tombstoned means it hasn't been "Mango'ised"] and won't affect everyone) but I sympathise with his whole "lack of trust" issue because I went through the same exercise with an Android phone (battery draining for no reason, slow response/lag, difficulty accessing Android market) and it's no fun when you don't want to pick up and use that device you've forked over a good amount of your own money for. Everyone who is being dismissive of this review should bear that last point in mind - this guy wasn't sent a review unit but rather went and bought one with his own cash out of excitement. I think that should get him a little respite from the "fanboi" comments.
It took the reviewer 7 days, lots of googling to figure out that the "arrow" next to the artist is in fact a play button. That says it all really
RoboDad said:
Nice spin. It was fairly obvious that when the author wrote about "trust" it is about accuracy and completeness of data. I don't trust Bing, because more often than not it delivers sub-par results, whether that is an address search, or a subject-matter query. I cannot rely on Bing to give me the results I need consistently, so I go back to Google every time.
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Lol. Agree.
I found this part interesting:
It's actually the quality of the sound output that really lets the Lumia down. For one thing, you only have one volume setting so if you crank the volume up to full (as I have to in my car - or, OK, want to), the ringer ends up at full as well. So every time I unplug it from the car, I have to wind the volume back. That's ignoring the fact that the volume is insultingly quiet. I bought a headphone amplifier, which made a difference, but the resulting sound has little punch or verve, which I think is due to the Lumia, not the app. Something in that bundle of hardware and software is stripping the life out of the music and giving it a sort of pasty, Val Doonican-like quality. The Lumia does not, repeat not, turn your car into a banging urban clubland.
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Because it's been my #1 complaint with WP7 devices since they were released. Too many of them suffer from poor sound.
I need to look for a tear down of some WP7 devices to see what type media hardware these things have in them. The sound is not cute at all, and neither is the management of volume levels for different sound types (Media, RingTone, System, Notifications, etc.).
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MartyLK said:
Microsoft's search engines are not their forte`. Even their WP7 Marketplace search engine is way sub-par and omits many results. It requires a user to be very specific about what they are trying to find. Google's search engine is Google's forte`. Google's whole business is centered on their search engine. It's natural that their search system would be better and more trustworthy.
Microsoft's forte` is the PC OS and they are world class with it. None others can compete with them...not even Apple. But Microsoft's Bing Maps and nav are better than Google's...in my opinion. And also WP7 is better than the best smartphone system, the iPhone. So Microsoft can compete in many ways. But the search engine is not one of them. They have some serious work to do to even approach Google's.
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No offense, but Bing is not better than Google Maps and Navigation. Not even close.
However, we shall see what the Nokia deal does the strengthen that...
This guy made me laugh when trying to figure out how to use the zune media player. I mean it really is not that hard to use at all, even my 4 year old nephew can use it.
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Lol. Agree.
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Because it's been my #1 complaint with WP7 devices since they were released. Too many of them suffer from poor sound.
I need to look for a tear down of some WP7 devices to see what type media hardware these things have in them. The sound is not cute at all, and neither is the management of volume levels for different sound types (Media, RingTone, System, Notifications, etc.).
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No offense, but Bing is not better than Google Maps and Navigation. Not even close.
However, we shall see what the Nokia deal does the strengthen that...
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No offense taken. I did the tests and came to the conclusion Bing Maps is better...or was, at the time, about 3 or 4 months ago.
Zune is bad? I never had a problem with it. This guy was obviously reaching in order to fill up white space in a dry article. He makes one or 2 good points, the rest is just bull**** and he knows it.
1. autohide battery, wifi and signal - any chance to turn it off?
2. battery percentage on statusbar (I'm not interested in Battery Status)
3. threading all emails with no subcject (gmail), even from different people (please don't tell me to turn off conversations)
My device is htc mozart, full unlocked. WP7 is best os I ever had but these few things are really bad.
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1. It will show you the signal status whenever you lost it, so if you cant see, means you have signal. Wifi just shows when you are connecting or connection is lost. Battery same. It will pop up when you need to worry about.
2. Dont know why, but you cant have battery percentage.
3. Never had this problem. I use conversation mode and it doesnt thread when not from the same people.
No OS is perfect. A lot more is coming with WP8, so hope those little details get revamped.
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No OS is perfect. A lot more is coming with WP8, so hope those little details get revamped.
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Agreed, but perfection is a perception for that individual.
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1. autohide battery, wifi and signal - any chance to turn it off?
2. battery percentage on statusbar (I'm not interested in Battery Status)
3. threading all emails with no subcject (gmail), even from different people (please don't tell me to turn off conversations)
My device is htc mozart, full unlocked. WP7 is best os I ever had but these few things are really bad.
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1. No. Metro is all about cleaner and minimal looks. No clunky interface that eats away your screen. Tap and it drops down for you, hides again.
2. No. Unless you want to go to battery saver for an estimate.
3. Threading works by subjects, not by person at the moment like in Outlook. In Outlook you can thread by sender or subject. Currently it threads by subject. If I send out an email, I make sure my subjects are unique for each type of convo.
Over all, these are generic features. Suits some tastes, bothers some, doesn't even get noticed by most.
But for an os that wants us to get as much information as possible as efficiently as possible I think it is going overboard to not show signal bars and battery. But an arrow pointing to the right is important?
Maybe it is an opportunity for someone to do a live tile for this.
1. ok, I didn't know that icon will show up when I lost signal, great, one problem solved.
2. detail, maybe it's not so important, but it would be nice to see pecentage
3. Oh, come on! It's fcked up! When sb send me email with no subject (very often) all emails are in same thread.
I think the problem is people who send you an email without subject. LOL
Unbelievable lazy people.
The guy is right you cant group emails my subject.
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Wtf is wrong with you people?! These are just some minor things somewhat youre making a big deal out of.
From the lockscreen you will see your signal bar and battery life, when youre in the os, then just tap at top. Sure it's an extra step but it does hides away the ugliness.
If your phone is fully unlocked then why not get the battery status app floating around here in xda?!
Turn off conversations. Sheez, if your "friends" are too lazy to put on a subject then just turn off conversations, that way you'll get the newest email right on top!
The right arrow is there to point out that you can scroll to the left or tap on the arrow to reveal another column and see all your apps.
Jesus! Grab some common sense people, oh wait unfortunately it isn't so "common".
downloaderintruder said:
Wtf is wrong with you people?! These are just some minor things somewhat youre making a big deal out of.
From the lockscreen you will see your signal bar and battery life, when youre in the os, then just tap at top. Sure it's an extra step but it does hides away the ugliness.
If your phone is fully unlocked then why not get the battery status app floating around here in xda?!
Turn off conversations. Sheez, if your "friends" are too lazy to put on a subject then just turn off conversations, that way you'll get the newest email right on top!
The right arrow is there to point out that you can scroll to the left or tap on the arrow to reveal another column and see all your apps.
Jesus! Grab some common sense people, oh wait unfortunately it isn't so "common".
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That has to be one of the best 'tellings off' I've seen in a while.
Personally I love the status bar auto-hide. I like the fact that they give you as much of the screen as they can for viewing your page/app ect. Shows you status when it needs to (change in connection ect), then gets out of your way instead of taking up space constantly. Ever need to check it? Just a quick swipe down from top or tap.
As far as the battery percentage & conversation view changes: Perhaps these will be options in Apollo later this year. I know the battery percentage is one many would like.
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1. but I dont want to. I just want to see it without any additional steps.
2. I have battery status, but I have to unlock, and waste 1 space on screen, or slide and turn on BS from menu, waste of time - i just want battery percentage near the clock
3. I have to turn off. But on iOS or android I don;t had such problems.
I think that you are too fustrated, calm down man, I'm not blind. I see bad things in WP7 and I'm trying to fix it.
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1. but I dont want to. I just want to see it without any additional steps.
2. I have battery status, but I have to unlock, and waste 1 space on screen, or slide and turn on BS from menu, waste of time - i just want battery percentage near the clock
3. I have to turn off. But on iOS or android I don;t had such problems.
I think that you are too fustrated, calm down man, I'm not blind. I see bad things in WP7 and I'm trying to fix it.
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For someone who feels 'a tap' is additional steps - Android is the answer.
I think genuine annoyance is: Threading other two are just personal choices. Did you not try the phone before you bought it? If you are still under the cooling off period, best thing is to swap it for a similar specs Android and use Launcher7 if you like the idea of tiles.
Ok, so if I knew it's not possible I have to just shut up and tell everybody how great is WP7?
WTF? I though that these kind of fanboys are only interested in android and ios. I was wrong.
I like wp7 more than other OS, but it's not perfect.
Few years ago XDA was forum with prosfessionals who though how to fix things we don't like in devices. Now I see thats group of blind fanboys. Such a waste...
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Ok, so if I knew it's not possible I have to just shut up and tell everybody how great is WP7?
WTF? I though that these kind of fanboys are only interested in android and ios. I was wrong.
I like wp7 more than other OS, but it's not perfect.
Few years ago XDA was forum with prosfessionals who though how to fix things we don't like in devices. Now I see thats group of blind fanboys. Such a waste...
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No one is asking you to shut up and tell how great WP7 is.
Only if you used the search button on the top right, you would have already come across much more informative threads that have already mentioned how WP is different than other OS.
Not few years ago but since the birth of XDA the tag line has been "Search first, then ask" - so if you have been following XDA for a few years and seeing how professionals have fixed things, you would know how to use the search too. The reason one needs to shut up will only be because reiterating what is not available and saying how it's annoying proves nothing but trolling.
You said you want battery percentage -Now the "professionals" made the app, the live tile and a workaround to do that. But ofcourse, you are not interested as you say in your first post. This IS NOT android. The system is secure and limited to any sort of development. So you WONT get the percentage next to your clock. You would have known this just by a simple search on XDA.
The "tap to view" - is NOT an annoying bug. This is EXACTLY how Microsoft wanted this FEATURE to be. This is what suits the Metro UI's concept. You are saying 'but I don't want to tap'. Fine, we understand, everyone does. But this is a feature. If you want to tweak it, it can be done. Probably someone will help you tweak the registry to stop the autohide.
I agree, as I said before the threaded one is a bug. It should thread irrespectively especially when you say you've seen iOS and Android thread it correctly even without the subjects.
All that said, once again, if you use the search button you will find at least 5 threads in this very forum which talks about the 'limitations' and how the OS isn't perfect. Also, you say "few years ago professional fixed the things WE DONT like in the devices" - but here probably isn't it the case of "I don't want to tap to see the batter, I don't want to use 'professionally' developed Battery Status"?
Yes, such a waste.
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Agreed, but perfection is a perception for that individual.
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This is so true..... No phone is perfect for everyone. As long as it works good for your needs, and you can live with the little things, it's fine...
1. Not a big deal to me, I like it hidden, because I dont always care to know what is connected and what's not. It notifies me when I get disconnected and it's always a touch away.
2. Battery status, This has always bothered me on every phone I had, WM 6.5was the only one I liked due to a 3rd party hack. I like it on the status bar but, wish it would show a true % vs a 5 step iccon.
3. It's very rare that I get an email with no subject, teach your friends on how to do email correctly (or put their small message in the subject instead of the body). That is not a product design, that is a friend/worker problem.
No Phone is perfect for everyone....and WP7 is no acception....
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Ok, so if I knew it's not possible I have to just shut up and tell everybody how great is WP7?
WTF? I though that these kind of fanboys are only interested in android and ios. I was wrong.
I like wp7 more than other OS, but it's not perfect.
Few years ago XDA was forum with prosfessionals who though how to fix things we don't like in devices. Now I see thats group of blind fanboys. Such a waste...
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Basically yes. WP7 fans usually praise the OS no matter what limitations it has. It's very hard to discuss those things here. Instead of agreement that it is unfinished people will tell you that it's your fault. But it happens everywhere and occassionally drives me nuts.
WP7 is perfect for people who don't do much with the phone.
If you're inclined into real control of the device and customization possibilities, Android is the way. WP7 is dumb in many ways and will stay like that for some time.
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Basically yes. WP7 fans usually praise the OS no matter what limitations it has. It's very hard to discuss those things here. Instead of agreement that it is unfinished people will tell you that it's your fault. But it happens everywhere and occassionally drives me nuts.
WP7 is perfect for people who don't do much with the phone.
If you're inclined into real control of the device and customization possibilities, Android is the way. WP7 is dumb in many ways and will stay like that for some time.
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Oh, pull your head out, will you.
We don't claim WP7 to be perfect, like iOS users do. We've chosen to accept its flaws and we expect that anyone who's got such petty complaints of the OS to have actually read the criticism of the OS, which are in plenty.
Look at the argument that ensued over BT file sharing. Seriously, the guy is throwing a fit that none of us agree that it is a major issue. It's not a problem with Nokia, but is a shortcoming of the WP7. Come to think of it, does iOS natively support BT filesharing?
Again... I'm a rational fanboy. I've chosen to enjoy WP7 rather than ***** and moan about it. There are things about it that I don't care for, but I've decided to focus on what I DO like instead.
It's like the difference between a good movie with slight plot holes vs. an ok movie. If the story interests me enough, I'm willing to overlook the plot holes so that I can enjoy the film. A different movie, one where there's nothing that makes me care about any of the characters, isn't worth me overlooking its shortcomings in order to appreciate it.
WP7 is my good movie with some holes in the story.
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Oh, pull your head out, will you.
We don't claim WP7 to be perfect, like iOS users do. We've chosen to accept its flaws and we expect that anyone who's got such petty complaints of the OS to have actually read the criticism of the OS, which are in plenty.
Look at the argument that ensued over BT file sharing. Seriously, the guy is throwing a fit that none of us agree that it is a major issue. It's not a problem with Nokia, but is a shortcoming of the WP7. Come to think of it, does iOS natively support BT filesharing?
Again... I'm a rational fanboy. I've chosen to enjoy WP7 rather than ***** and moan about it. There are things about it that I don't care for, but I've decided to focus on what I DO like instead.
It's like the difference between a good movie with slight plot holes vs. an ok movie. If the story interests me enough, I'm willing to overlook the plot holes so that I can enjoy the film. A different movie, one where there's nothing that makes me care about any of the characters, isn't worth me overlooking its shortcomings in order to appreciate it.
WP7 is my good movie with some holes in the story.
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Well looking at your history here, probably you didn't experience this WP7 forum since it's beginning on fall/winter 2010.
There are users who do exactly what I described.
I don't know if this topic has been bandied about on this forum. I've searched quite a bit and I haven't found anything. Is there any reason why MS has not released BT PAN on our stacks? I know the carriers have the ultimate say on methods used for tethering but not even the factory unlocked models have this wonderful feature. Wi-Fi tethering is nice and all, but it drains batteries like nobody's business, and if you're tethering to a tablet now you have two batteries dying a quick death. One of my favorite features of Windows Mobile after version 5 aku 3 was the internet sharing through either USB or BT. The speeds over BT were the same as any Wi-Fi tethering since it is the phone's same 3G signal anyway. Bluetooth tethering consumes a lot less power than Wi-Fi and with the PAN profile we also get the benefit of file transfer. ARGH!!!!! I hate having to carry an old POS WM6.5 device in my bag for the oft times I need to jack up my laptop when I'm out in the field. If anybody with any kind of influence with MS is reading, can you also throw in the MAP profile while you're at it? Please? Pretty please? With sugar......
This is an exact copy of the same thread that you posted at WPCentral, not enough answers over there for you?
prohibido_por_la_ley said:
This is an exact copy of the same thread that you posted at WPCentral, not enough answers over there for you?
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What rock do you live under? I didn't discover warm water here fella, lots of people do this. Do you not hear the same news from umpteen different sources? If you only follow one forum you may be missing out on something.
Hey, fatclue, why do you think that WiFi drains the battery more than Bluetooth? "A lot less power"... Another Magpir user? Any proof: links, spreadsheets, specs, numbers? Or just "from my own WinMo experience"?
BTW, nobody will ever make these ROM modifications - nor manufacturers neither whitehats - 'cause nobody needs it (except you). So, just forget about it. "PLEEEEEEEASE" (even with huge characters!) will not help
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Hey, fatclue, why do you think that WiFi drains the battery more than Bluetooth? "A lot less power"... Another Magpir user? Any proof: links, spreadsheets, specs, numbers? Or just "from my own WinMo experience"?
BTW, nobody will ever make these ROM modifications - nor manufacturers neither whitehats - 'cause nobody needs it (except you). So, just forget about it. "PLEEEEEEEASE" (even with huge characters!) will not help
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Dude, come on. It is widely accepted that a BT radio consumes less power than a Wi-Fi radio. No, I don't have the back-up because it is widely accepted as much as anything else. Do you also need proof if someone tells you the speed of light is approximately 186,000 fps? You must also be one of those idiots that want to see Obama's birth certificate. BT PAN is a very useful profile and I'm not the only one who would prefer to have it. Search around other platforms and you'll see for yourself, or do you want me to do the work for you as well? Would you like links or do you prefer pictures so you don't have to actually read.
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Dude, come on. It is widely accepted that a BT radio consumes less power than a Wi-Fi radio. No, I don't have the back-up because it is widely accepted as much as anything else. Do you also need proof if someone tells you the speed of light is approximately 186,000 fps? You must also be one of those idiots that want to see Obama's birth certificate.
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Mmm... yeah dude. I need to see proof of that. I'm not saying you're lying but that doesn't sound right to me. You may want to check your facts before haranguing people on a forum.
You may have had a very good point here but it just got destroyed by an epic own goal.
Jus' sayin'
sitizenx said:
Mmm... yeah dude. I need to see proof of that. I'm not saying you're lying but that doesn't sound right to me. You may want to check your facts before haranguing people on a forum.
You may have had a very good point here but it just got destroyed by an epic own goal.
Jus' sayin'
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My bad, miles per second not feet per second. In my line of work I'm used to feet/second. If you consider Colorado University a respectable enough source, read on.
http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/waves_particles/lightspeed_evidence.html
Why's everyone being so mean? Damn, its as simply as someone creating a rom capable of using it but having it turned off for those who don't use it. Its simple. No like anyone needs to get on his case.
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jaywillsoul said:
Why's everyone being so mean? Damn, its as simply as someone creating a rom capable of using it but having it turned off for those who don't use it. Its simple. No like anyone needs to get on his case.
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It's cool, sitizenx posted my partial post in big red bold letters and I realized my mistake and I owned up to it and clarified. I'm not perfect, only my teacher is (Jesus). I can't walk on water or turn water into wine, but I've been known to turn Mad Dog (MD 20/20 for the uninformed) into a chunky liquid, but that's another story.
Mad Dog? That's pretty ghetto.
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Enough off topic here. Double thread anyway. Thread closed.