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OTA Froyo for Orange users (Debranded).

Hi all, I realise there are going to be loads of threads (indeed there are already some) outlining Froyo upgrade woes/tips but since users with Orange branded handsets seem to have a slightly different time of things I thought it may be useful to share experiences(although presumably it will only be debranded users that are going to be updating at the moment).
I debranded mine to the RUU_Bravo_HTC_WWE_1.21.405.2_Radio_32.36.00.28U_4.06.00.02_2_release_126984_signed rom and have unlocked the phone using a code from eBay. I'm about to install the OTA update with a goldcard inserted I'll let you know how I've got on after the fact.
Thanks.
Worked! On the face of it it seems to have worked. As far as I can see my stuff has been retained and everything is working (camera included).

Yeah thanks. Maybe Goldcard is the answer

Just updated my unlocked debranded orange desire with goldcard inserted. No problems so far everything working fine including wifi.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Running 1.15 as I didn't want to have to unlock on updating to 1.21
I assume I'll have to:
OTA update to 1.21
Unlock
OTA update to Froyo w/ Goldcard
Agree?

FazUK said:
Running 1.15 as I didn't want to have to unlock on updating to 1.21
I assume I'll have to:
OTA update to 1.21
Unlock
OTA update to Froyo w/ Goldcard
Agree?
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I could be wrong but if memory serves, you have to have the goldcard in for the OTA update to 1.21 or your wifi will stop working (provided the handset is Orange branded) Something about not being able to overwrite a file without the goldcard in? (But that will update your radio and then you'll need to unlock it as you say) I could be wrong though

Ok just so you all know i've succesfully downgraded to 2.1 using my goldcard. Now to try the 2.2 update again using goldcard.

Im on orange debranded unlocked and never rooted, what should i do??
EDIT: doinbox should be able to answer this when he finishes

Guys, just spoke with Orange and apparently they are rolling out Froyo by end of next week, i think I might wait rather than use a gold card

Ahhhh i never thought of this.
I went ahead with the ota upgrade and now the phone keeps rebooting in a loop. It gets so far as the unlock screen and then i get a notice saying "Process system is not repsonding" I get to choose "force close" or "wait". Neither selection does anything, the phone simply reboots at this stage and gets in a loop.

Im in same boat, seems to be that it's using the 2.1 radio version so it wont work. I'm stuck where to go

Success
Righties, on the face of it it seems to have worked. as far as I can see my stuff has been retained and everything is working (camera included).
Updated initial post.

JayceAndTheNews said:
Righties, on the face of it it seems to have worked. as far as I can see my stuff has been retained and everything is working (camera included).
Updated initial post.
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what about when you take out your goldcard??
Thanks

I dun like Orange Roms.
So I did the same like the Author of this thread did.
Flash to the Original WWE Roms with goldcard. Then Update to 2.2 through OTA.
No Problems at all!! Fantastic Froyo.

Just taken it out and put my big card back in, all fine. I believe the goldcard itself is only for the installation of roms and radios onto branded handsets, so once the update has completed I don't believe you need it in.
That said it was my intention just to make my big memory card into a goldcard and leave it in the phone permanently (I just forgot )

Downloading now. Thanks for risking your desire for the community

I had previously updated my Orange debranded Desire to 1.21 using my gold card. I just used the same gold card again to update to froyo and it all worked really well.
Just make sure you have 25mb free space on your phone before updating.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

lennshow66 said:
what about when you take out your goldcard??
Thanks
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It works fine for me after removing my gold card.
Rik
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

You do not need to go back to go forward here.
**IF YOU ARE DEBRANDED AND HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE OTA UPDATE JUST RUN UPDATE.ZIP TO BOOTLOADER WITH GOLDCARD INSERTED - DO NOT REGRESS TO FULL 2.1 RUU OR YOU WILL LOSE ALL YOUR SETTINGS ETC**

Hopefully it all goes well and smoothly for everyone else
I'd imagine the worst that could happen is some reflashing/unlocking required.

JayceAndTheNews said:
Hopefully it all goes well and smoothly for everyone else
I'd imagine the worst that could happen is some reflashing/unlocking required.
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Unlocking code is pretty cheap at Ebay. I bought mine for only 7.99 GBP. So no worries...

Updating to Vanilla/Stock 2.2 From Branded 3 2.1

I been going round here and the web wondering how to do this. I have
hboot 0.83.0001
I made a gold card which seems to have worked out fine so far but no idea where to go from here about updating my phone from 2.1 3 network branded to a non branded firmware. I am not interested in any custom firmware or anything I don't care about extra apps I just want stable 2.2.

I was in exactly the same position as yourself, had a 3 branded desire with same bootloader.
I made a goldcard also but found I didn't need it, I used unrevoked3 to root the phone and install clockwork mod from which I installed a update.zip patch and then a rooted untouched 2.2 Rom and now the phone is still rooted, unbranded and running 2.2 like a charm. Sorry if this explanation is a bit vague.
The Rom I used was 2.09.405.8-update-bravo-stock-rooted-busybox-withradio-signed.zip
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Boot your phone is rooted something I am not interested in really as I want Offical 2.2 unbranded. If I have to root temp to get there I don't mind going hrough the process providing its safe enough. I just don't see the point of rooting as the cons outweight the goals as some apps are starting to detect rooted phones now and refusing to boot.

Go here:
http://shipped-roms.com/shipped/Bravo/
username:shipped
password:shipped
and download this file to your PC:
RUU_Bravo_Froyo_HTC_WWE_2.10.405.2_R_Radio_32.44.00.32U_5.09.05.30_2_release_142828_signed.exe
Once downloaded, connect your Desire to your PC and make sure HTC Sync says it's connected. Then run the RUU file you've just downloaded.
If your Gold card is correct it will allow you to flash the stock 2.2 ROM - you'll also need the gold card for future updates (either OTA or RUU)

Vhero said:
I just don't see the point of rooting as the cons outweight the goals as some apps are starting to detect rooted phones now and refusing to boot.
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Which apps? I've not heard of this issue.
BTW - you should edit your thread title, because your use of the word "Vanilla" implies that you want to try a non-Sense ROM which would require you to root.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Which apps? I've not heard of this issue.
BTW - you should edit your thread title, because your use of the word "Vanilla" implies that you want to try a non-Sense ROM which would require you to root.
Regards,
Dave
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blizzard authenticator can detect if your phone is rooted and will not boot Blizzard say its for security reasons but I read on net it's not just this app that refuses to boot if it detects a root.
Go here:
username:shipped
password:shipped
and download this file to your PC:
RUU_Bravo_Froyo_HTC_WWE_2.10.405.2_R_Radio_32.44.0 0.32U_5.09.05.30_2_release_142828_signed.exe
Once downloaded, connect your Desire to your PC and make sure HTC Sync says it's connected. Then run the RUU file you've just downloaded.
If your Gold card is correct it will allow you to flash the stock 2.2 ROM - you'll also need the gold card for future updates (either OTA or RUU)
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Thanks for this will probably try later I don't understand why I will need the gold card for future updates though??

You'll need your gold card because your phone is a branded phone - the CID code won't pass checks without the gold card, even though you've 'debranded' the handset

Thank you all for this most informative thread, and apologies for the minor hijack.
I have a tmobile branded desire and would also like to be running the stock 2.2 with sense.
Will the above process work for me ?
I was hoping to get the OTA updates OTA however, is there a way of doing this ?
Also, are there any benefits to removing the carrier sim lock even though I have no intention of using an alternative carrier sim ?
Thanks for your time.
edit: I have read a bit more, and, now knowing the warranty issues, I will not be attempting to modify the CID

EddyOS said:
You'll need your gold card because your phone is a branded phone - the CID code won't pass checks without the gold card, even though you've 'debranded' the handset
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Your link didnt work anyway once you click download theres an error as the sites been taken over.

[Q] A few questions before rooting

Hey guys, first time poster here and a bit of a newb to rooting, Android and smart-phones in general.
I've been hanging on these forums the past 3 months researching the rooting process for a Desire and all the relevant stuff that goes along with it. So please go easy on me. I've also read all the 'similar threads' suggested to me at post-time.
I'm almost ready to begin the process but there's a few bits of information that's got me pretty scared before I go ahead. I wasn't able to find much of a concrete answer/s to these questions, from Googling around.
Well without further ado.
What is the difference between GSM & CDMA and do I need to know which my phone is before proceeding?
If I DO need to know, how do I find this out?
My phone is branded (Orange splash-screen at boot) and locked to Orange network (Newly recieved contract phone).
I've heard that I may need a goldcard to proceed with the Unrevoked process due to the branding. Is this correct?
Another guide on the net (can provide link if necessary), mentions upgrading the radio on Orange phones can permanently break the wifi OR permanently simlock your phone.
Will I need to worry about this during the Unrevoked rooting process? And will this be avoidable after installing a custom rom. (If I get that far )
I read somewhere on these forums (I forgot where exactly), something about the newest Orange OTA update causing problems with the rooting process. Is this still the case or has Unrevoked been updated to avoid that now? Also, how can I check if I have that update?
I can provide all the information about my Hboot, radio and kernel versions etc, if you need it (I guess you will), but for some reason, I keep getting a spam warning as this is my first post. I can only assume the version numbers are being interpreted as IPs...
Well sorry for the wall of text, but I greatly appreciate any help I can get regarding these issues. I'm so scared of bricking my Desire and not being able to return it, if bricking does occur.
Yours a worried root newb!

1. We use GSM phones in the UK as we use SIM cards. CDMA phones don't use SIM cards and are locked/released to one network
2. You don't need a gold card to root, no. As there isn't an Orange RUU available to go back to stock for warranty you will need one to flash a non-Orange RUU. Best to make one before starting
3. This was the case a while back but I'd wait for confirmation before changing it
4. No as the radio isn't flashed during a ROM (unless stated in the ROM thread that it does)
5. Shouldn't be an issue, just get the latest version of unrEVOked from their website before starting

Great, that's most of my questions/concerns answered. Although the below answer has brought a new question to the front
EddyOS said:
2. You don't need a gold card to root, no. As there isn't an Orange RUU available to go back to stock for warranty you will need one to flash a non-Orange RUU. Best to make one before starting
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Unfortunately my knowledge of RUU is almost non-existant, other than that it stands for Rom Upgrade Utility and is used to upgrade the software on my phone? Right?
And forgive me if I'm being dumb here but, if
EddyOS said:
there isn't an Orange RUU available to go back to stock for warranty
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and yet I
EddyOS said:
will need one to flash a non-Orange RUU
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then how can I do this? Or am I totally misunderstanding you?
Do I somehow use an application without root permission to perform a procedure similar to hdd ghosting?

Basically, if you wanted to return to stock for any reason you wouldn't be able to go back to the Orange ROM as the RUU doesn't exist so you'd have to go to a generic ROM. To flash any ROM other than the originally on the phone you need a gold card
It's the same for me, if (for some strange reason) I'd want to flash a branded ROM on my Desire I'd need a gold card. Thankfully, I have an unbranded handset so I can get the stock RUU and use it without a gold card

EddyOS said:
Basically, if you wanted to return to stock for any reason you wouldn't be able to go back to the Orange ROM as the RUU doesn't exist so you'd have to go to a generic ROM.
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So basically if I were to screw it up, which I hopefully won't, I'm buggered as far as getting my phone fixed cos they'll see the Orange rom is no longer installed? Not too fussed about that, as I'm super-careful with my phone.
I guess my next issue would be, after rooting using Unrevoked, I'd need to gain S-OFF right? Which I understand is done via AlphaRev. Only issue there would be related to this
"Please revert to a rooted stock ROM if possible. Your /data partition is used for temporary storage of important files." If I'm reverting to a stock rom, while gaining S-OFF presumably there's a high chance that'd upgrade my radio - a potentially very bad thing.
THEN I go about choosing a rom to flash. Then Nandroid backup. Then flash the rom, hopefully love it and voila?
Also, what would you suggest as a good rom for someone like me just starting out with a fully rooted phone? I was thinking one of the official builds to lose all the crap, but then the above issue of the radio creeps up again...

I have been flashing ROM's since I got my phone rooted last year and I have never bothered to S-OFF. It's not a requirement.
I have tried a number of ROM's (it becomes a bit addictive!) there is not normally a need to flash a new radio, just leave it be. If you are worried about it and the ROM requires a new radio don't flash it. There are plenty to choose from.
As for recommendations, everyone has their own tastes and likes. That's the beauty of modding. Just flash a few ROM's and see which you like. I have tried most of them, stuck with MIUI for ages, but am now on Cyanogenmod 7 Nightly's.

There is nothing to really worry about. There is a remote chance of bricking your phone for a start, like 0.0000000001% chance. Only way of doing it is disconnecting during say an S-Off.
As for the Orange issue. I had a locked, Orange Desire with 2.2 on it (the first update) and when I rooted and S-Off'd I had no problems. I also have updated my radio to 5.14.05.17 and have no issues at all. To be honest, I found issues to do with signals and Wi-Fi are to do with the ROM you install and the kernel as well which can be frustrating but fun as well.
As for choosing a ROM, choose one, flash it then see what it's like. It's purely down to what you like most about each ROM. I've been through so many ROMs in the past few months but now I am sort of staying with 1 ROM. I will say that when I installed a custom ROM, I had to pay to unlock my sim because it was being gay and Orange wanted £20 of my hard earned cash to unlock it and send it off. So be prepared.

thetasigma3 said:
So basically if I were to screw it up, which I hopefully won't, I'm buggered as far as getting my phone fixed cos they'll see the Orange rom is no longer installed? Not too fussed about that, as I'm super-careful with my phone.
I guess my next issue would be, after rooting using Unrevoked, I'd need to gain S-OFF right? Which I understand is done via AlphaRev. Only issue there would be related to this
"Please revert to a rooted stock ROM if possible. Your /data partition is used for temporary storage of important files." If I'm reverting to a stock rom, while gaining S-OFF presumably there's a high chance that'd upgrade my radio - a potentially very bad thing.
THEN I go about choosing a rom to flash. Then Nandroid backup. Then flash the rom, hopefully love it and voila?
Also, what would you suggest as a good rom for someone like me just starting out with a fully rooted phone? I was thinking one of the official builds to lose all the crap, but then the above issue of the radio creeps up again...
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Don't bother about S-OFF at the moment, you don't need it. Just get rooted and then look into custom ROMs for now

Ok I've taken a tiny step further forward. I'm at the point of making a goldcard but one thing concerns me... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6710085&postcount=3 According to that it won't work with the 2.2 OTA update from HTC.
I know, I have 2.2 installed but this was already on the phone when I received it, so I've no idea if this was an OTA or not... So I guess I need a different method to make a goldcard now?

Use this:
http://android.modaco.com/content/software/308798/pc-application-goldcardtool/
Probably need to register to get the file, though

Hmmm tried using that tool and no joy... Get my img file downloaded, but then the tool refuses to recognise my phone, despite doing the appropriate change over to 'disk drive'. I tried re-plugging the un-mounting and re-plugging the usb cable. Still no joy.
I'm beginning to lose hope here... That tool won't work and the tutorial here says it's incompatible with 2.2...
**edit**
Been Googling around a fair bit and I can't find any information at all on downgrading a branded 2.2. Only information on people with branded handsets wanting to update to 2.2.
After a bit more searching, I found someone else with the exact same issue as me. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10370443&postcount=977
Only one difference though. He doesn't mention if he managed to flash a custom rom after his root. I'm guessing he probably wouldn't have been able to going by your post:
EddyOS said:
To flash any ROM other than the originally on the phone you need a gold card
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A gold card is only needed to flash a STOCK ROM different from your original - it's not needed to flash a custom ROM. The gold card isn't even needed to root. It's just handy to have in your case as you'd need it to go back to stock due to the lack of an Orange RUU
I'm out of ideas I'm afraid, never had to deal with a gold card as I'm unbranded

Use this:
http://android.modaco.com/content/so...-goldcardtool/
Probably need to register to get the file, though
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Does that work a lot better then?
I used the method posted by thetasigma3 and I can't get OTA 2.29.405.5 but I can get 2.29.405.2. To get round the problem I installed the 2.29.405.5 RUU and rooted

Anyone who's debranded will need to use the RUU as the OTA won't go through

GoogleJelly said:
I will say that when I installed a custom ROM, I had to pay to unlock my sim because it was being gay and Orange wanted £20 of my hard earned cash to unlock it and send it off. So be prepared.
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Call me crazy, but why the heck would flashing a custom rom require you to unlock and send off? Presumably the sending off thing would've been for Orange to perform the unlock procedure?
Anyway, back to my main issue, I know I've probably tread the same ground a few times now, but I really don't wanna end up bricking, cos I overlooked a tiny element, or something.
Could someone confirm I have these points all correct please?
Goldcard NOT needed for rooting.
Goldcard NOT needed if/when I flash a custom rom.
Goldcard needed if I wanted to go back to a STOCK rom.
Only reason to flash a STOCK rom is if I need to send back to Orange for repairs etc.
Oh and thanks for the clarification on your earlier post EddyOS. About goldcards not being needed for custom roms as opposed to stock etc.
Think I'm ready to go ahead with the process now, but if I go ahead and something goes wrong, what's my safety net, so to speak? Presumably my battery would die on me long before I get a response here

What you have there is correct (point 2-5)
The unlocking issue was down to some radios causing Orange handsets to become SIM locked. If you're using an Orange SIM this isn't an issue but others who got an Orange handset but use a different SIM card found they wouldn't work.
This was earlier in the Desire's life and I don't think it's applicable now

Try using "GoldCard Helper" app from Android Market, in case you want to try and make a goldcard (as the other methods did not work for you).
As mentioned as EddyOS, all your points from 2 - 5 are correct.

Ok finally got the guts together to go ahead and run unRevoked. (Already had done the driver steps etc).
I've checked with an app from the Android Market, called 'Root Check' to verify root access. That's saying I do have it and it also asked for Root permissions on start-up, which it never did before root. So I assume that's a good sign. I also checked for the 'Superuser Permissions' app in my apps menu. Found it was present and clicked it. Started without any problems. So I guess that's another good sign.
So I guess my next set of questions are reasonable simple.
Does this seem like my phone is now 100% rooted? I think it is, but I could be wrong.
Do I need to install Busybox? Root Checker seems to like seeing it there.
Does it matter if I use Titanium Backup Pro or free? I'm guessing it won't but I'd like to be certain.
If I backup my current Orange rom with Titanium Backup will I be able to go back to that without a goldcard? My guess is no. I didn't make or use one for the root process.

1. Yes
2. For Titanium Backup, yes
3. No
4. You don't backup the ROM with TB, you boot into Recovery and do it there

kvphani said:
Try using "GoldCard Helper" app from Android Market, in case you want to try and make a goldcard (as the other methods did not work for you).
As mentioned as EddyOS, all your points from 2 - 5 are correct.
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Hey man, I downloaded that app and found a fairly easy looking guide on the Unlockr http://theunlockr.com/2010/03/10/how-to-create-a-goldcard/ . Just wanted to check, if I use that app plus this guide. I skip steps 1-6 right?
Ok gone ahead and done that now. Just having some trouble finding instructions on backing up my Orange rom.
Oh and now that the forum won't grumble at my phone info, here it is. Hopefully that'll shed some more light on my situation, if I need further help.
BRAVO PVT4 SHIP S-ON
HBOOT-0.93.0001
MICROP-051d
TOUCH PANEL-SYNW0101
RADIO-5.10.05.30
Aug 10 2010, 17:52:18
Android Version
2.2
Baseband Version
32.48.00.32U_5.10.05.30
Kernel Version
2.6.32.15-g29e526b
[email protected] #1
Build Number
2.17.61.3 CL274424 release-keys
Softare Number
2.17.61.3
Browser Version
WebKit 3.1
Model Number
A8181

[Q] [n00b question] I have a gold card what now

Okay i have a gold card after about 2 hours of struggling, now to debrand this mother
Im on the 093 Hboot, can somebody please link a HTC Sense Rom, thats a generic UK, with the SLCD screen driver
Thanks in advanced
Regards

hey, If you go the android development section, you will see the first or second stickied post. Go there.

This is it:
http://www.multiupload.com/LEJCW182AH
Bare in mind, though, people weren't able to use the OTA to get to this version with a gold card so the same might be true of future OTA updates

EddyOS said:
Bare in mind, though, people weren't able to use the OTA to get to this version with a gold card so the same might be true of future OTA updates
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thanks for the file, so is there anyway to do a debrand and still get the OTA updates? as i thought all i was doing was changing the firmware from branded to generic, i didnt know it would impact the updates

Currently, no but we won't know until the next OTA comes out
Until the update from 2.29.405.2 to 2.29.405.5 people who'd debranded and used a gold card could update so it seems Google have changed something

[Q] Unable to root\unroot after 1.84 update

it seems I got a firmware update sometime last month, and completely forgot I had used visonary+ previously.
My phone was bought without CID, now it has been branded, to which network I have no clue but I assume t-mobile as I used it in the USA when visiting.
I thought nothing of it until now as I am trying to change to the ACE Gingerbread rom official.
So I built a goldcard which does not change the CID, I am unable to run visionary+ or any similar app to temp root.
I am however able to use the adb root, but using root checker, it still says it is not rooted.
I am just dumbfounded, I want to down grade my phone, so I can upgrade again, or just upgrade.
I have gone through all the tutorials for all the different methods and I always come back to the CID warning when flashing.
Gold card fail
Rooting fail
upgrading fail
downgrading fail
Used gold card tool fails
used hxd successfull to make a gold card, but fails.
Anyone can give me some feedback or suggestions?
Thanks.

Taking this one step at a time, you need to downgrade. To do that you need a gold card.
Not a 100% sure from your post so please clarify if you have been able to successfully create a gold card?
After that, get an early ROM and install with goldcard inserted.
Let me know when you get to that step.

I found the issue. I had made the gold card, however the sd card I was using had a bad sector in it, causing it to not read.
After trying a second micro sd card, the downgrade worked. and now it flashed and updated properly.
Thanks!

Yea, I had follow topic on xda and successful downgrade.