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How good is the Desire GPU?

Hi,
Compared to the other phones, how good is the GPU on the Desire?
How many triangles per sec can it do?
Does anyone know?

The Snapdragon Processor (QSD8250- Desire's processor) does 22 million triangles per second

irkan said:
The Snapdragon Processor (QSD8250- Desire's processor) does 22 million triangles per second
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And it's GPU(not CPU) is slower for about 25% than iPhone's 3Gs

benko286 said:
And it's GPU(not CPU) is slower for about 25% than iPhone's 3Gs
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the "GPU" comes with the Qualcomm SnapDragon Chip-set (processor). its not a stand alone unit!!

I thought I read somewhere that there was a dedicated GPU on it.

http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html#specs
Technical Features for QSD8x50 chipsets
The QSD8x50 platform consists of the QSD8250™ which supports GSM, GPRS, EDGE, HSPA networks while the QSD8650™ supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B, GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks. Both chipsets include:
1 GHz CPU
600MHz DSP
Integrated 3G mobile broadband
Support for Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® connectivity
Built-in seventh-generation gpsOne® engine with Standalone-GPS and Assisted-GPS modes
High-definition (720p) video decode, and multiple video codec support
High-performance 3D graphics – up to 22M triangles/sec and 133M 3D pixels/sec
High-resolution up to WXGA (1280x720) display support
12-megapixel camera support
Multiple audio codecs: (AAC+, eAAC+, AMR, FR, EFR, HR, WB-AMR, G.729a, G.711, AAC stereo encode)
Support for mobile broadcast TV (MediaFLO™, DVB-H and ISDB-T)
Support for Windows Mobile®, Android, and a number of Linux®-based operating systems
Qualcomm’s hybrid mode alternative solution
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irkan said:
the "GPU" comes with the Qualcomm SnapDragon Chipest (processor). its not a stand alone unit!!
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Yeah but it's slower than iPhone's...

Dont worry, even if it is a bit slower, you dot a lot more
- sd card
- multitasking
- customization
- etc.
benko286 said:
Yeah but it's slower than iPhone's...
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http://androidandme.com/2010/03/new...bird-chip-to-have-3x-gpu-power-of-snapdragon/
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Here is a GPU comparison for some of the leading smartphones:
* Motorola Droid: TI OMAP3430 with PowerVR SGX530 = 7 million(?) triangles/sec
* Nexus One: Qualcomm QSD8×50 with Adreno 200 = 22 million triangles/sec
* iPhone 3G S: 600 MHz Cortex-A8 with PowerVR SGX535 = 28 million triangles/sec
* Samsung Galaxy S: S5PC110 with PowerVR SGX540 = 90 million triangles/sec
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benko286 said:
Yeah but it's slower than iPhone's...
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Yes It's slower but what do you want to do with this phone - to play Crysis on it ? I think that all games will works smooth and fine.

Haha ... nice one
Btw, do you like "indomie" ?
Indomitable said:
Yes It's slower but what do you want to do with this phone - to play Crysis on it ? I think that all games will works smooth and fine.
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gizz68erz said:
http://androidandme.com/2010/03/new...bird-chip-to-have-3x-gpu-power-of-snapdragon/
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Here is a GPU comparison for some of the leading smartphones:
* Motorola Droid: TI OMAP3430 with PowerVR SGX530 = 7 million(?) triangles/sec
* Nexus One: Qualcomm QSD8×50 with Adreno 200 = 22 million triangles/sec
* iPhone 3G S: 600 MHz Cortex-A8 with PowerVR SGX535 = 28 million triangles/sec
* Samsung Galaxy S: S5PC110 with PowerVR SGX540 = 90 million triangles/sec
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I just don't know How they make these tests here it's an article that says
iPhone 3GS makes only 5.2 million triangles
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2349515,00.asp
and the link in glbenchmark
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro11&showhide=true&D1=Apple iPhone 3G S
I think that bad results for HTC don't come from Snapdragon chipset but from crappy video drivers from HTC.
I want to add one more thing : This articles says :
And for comparison a few consoles:
PS3: 250 million triangles/sec
Xbox 360: 500 million triangles/sec
Xbox 360 has 2x more triangles per sec than PS3 - Do you think that it has better graphics - I don't think so .
Ooops I found another comparison : http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2557695/googles_nexus_one_vs_the_iphone_3gs.html?cat=15
Here Nexus One beats iPhone.
One iPhone's review says 28 million, other 5-7 million I don't have an iPhone I can't tell which is right but I every review says Nexus One do 22 million triangles which is better for me

desire
i have an desire and i admit it sucks. No matter how fast the cpu are the graphics simply are too poor. It cant play highresolution videos and normal videos lags. Games like assains creed and other 3d games lags too .

bestefarogjeg said:
i have an desire and i admit it sucks. No matter how fast the cpu are the graphics simply are too poor. It cant play highresolution videos and normal videos lags. Games like assains creed and other 3d games lags too .
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If a game lags its the game not your phone.
Compare Homerun 3d battle on the desire to the 3gs it looks way better on desire and runs perfectly smooth.
So I really don't think these numbers mean much.

some games like asphalt 5 got much framedrops due to poor programming of gameloft.

bestefarogjeg said:
i have an desire and i admit it sucks. No matter how fast the cpu are the graphics simply are too poor. It cant play highresolution videos and normal videos lags. Games like assains creed and other 3d games lags too .
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Haven't got a clue what is wrong with your desire but be concerned that it can't play videos smooth.. mine plays 720p mp4 videos at 10mbps without a hitch and that's not even overclocked..

The only good looking 3d games i found to work great, were those of polarbit, tried asphalt 5 from gameloft but that just was barely playable and at times not playable.

All these discussions about games, how old are you? Games is not fun and if you wanna play games you do it on your computer or a pocket device like PSP or that Nintendo DS or something.

ArtieQ said:
All these discussions about games, how old are you?
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Yes, because of course only children play games. I mean, it's not like it's a multi-billion dollar worldwide industry or that the current average age of gamers is 35 or anything. Even if that was true, who are you to tell people what they should care about or want their phone to be capable of? Your attitude here is a total disgrace and your patronising nonsense is utterly uncalled for.
ArtieQ said:
Games is not fun
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Games aren't fun? Really? Given that the entire point of a game, indeed the only reason it exists, is to create 'fun' for the user this is an amazingly stupid statement to make. It's like saying that the sky isn't blue or water isn't wet.
If you find that games aren't fun then you're doing it wrong. Or just playing crap games I suppose.
ArtieQ said:
and if you wanna play games you do it on your computer or a pocket device like PSP or that Nintendo DS or something.
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Aaand we're back to being patronising again. People can play games anywhere at any time and on any device they want, it's not up to you to dicate what devices someone should be able to use. If developers know they can come to the Android market and make money developing games then it'll attract even more support to the platform in general which helps everyone, including you; so being so dismissive of an entire aspect of software development is short-sighted as well as patronising.

Medulla said:
Aaand we're back to being patronising again. People can play games anywhere at any time and on any device they want, it's not up to you to dicate what devices someone should be able to use. If developers know they can come to the Android market and make money developing games then it'll attract even more support to the platform in general which helps everyone, including you; so being so dismissive of an entire aspect of software development is short-sighted as well as patronising.
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Your missing the entire point, you cant buy a mobile phone and moan that its 3d graphics capability is below par, abviously when quallcomm made the snapdragon, its 3D processing ability was made for programming not gaming, more to run 3D ui's and what not, otherwise they would of included a dedicated gpu and vram, so the above point still stands, if you wana play games on the move buy a ds or psp not a mobile phone lol

[Q] HTC Wildfire VS Samsung GT-i5500 VS Huawei Ideos U8150

Hi Everybody!
Someone could please tell me why these two smartphones are a lot faster than our wildfire?
I don't think it depends on the CPU frequency because they are faster also versus the overclocked wildfire.
On these smartphones, in example, angry birds runs better than well! You can find gameplays on youtube!
I tryied playing on a gt-i5500 and the gameplay it's like on the iphone
I don't think these smartphones have a GPU...
So, why the wildfire, which cost a lot more, is so slow??? Please help me to understand

Wildfire costs more because of the brand. For example, a SOny TV is much more expensive than a LG of the same specs because of the brand`s name and history.

ok!
now, why it is so slow?

Its because it uses a very old CPU, with no GPU, and, utilizes the Sense Interface, which requires a lot of processing power.

the gt-i5500 and the ideos both have GPU?

marlock87 said:
the gt-i5500 and the ideos both have GPU?
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Ideos doesn't
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

so, wildfire with cyanogenmod (no SENSE) with overclock should be faster than ideos
but you can see that this is not true!
i would like to understand how much this slowness is hardware or software related, because if it is software related ( opengl driver, ecc) maybe can be fixed
what do you think?

The wildfire cannot do angry birds due to the lack if gpu it is reallllly low framerate
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I think it's because i5500 has much smaller screen and therefore resolution. The same processor can faster reload images, because it requires less computing.

Mino_32 said:
I think it's because i5500 has much smaller screen and therefore resolution. The same processor can faster reload images, because it requires less computing.
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The i5500 does have a smaller screen (2.8" vs 3.2"), but, the resolution is the same (240x320), which implies the number of pixels on the screen are the same.

Huawei U8150 according to http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_u8150_ideos-3513.php
"528 MHz ARM 11 processor, Adreno 200 GPU, Qualcomm MSM7225 chipset"

TH3KiD said:
Huawei U8150 according to http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_u8150_ideos-3513.php
"528 MHz ARM 11 processor, Adreno 200 GPU, Qualcomm MSM7225 chipset"
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Ideos has an overclock CPU (made directly by Huawei) at 600Mhz.

I am saying that it has a GPU named "ADRENO 200"

interesting, could they (gmsarena) be wrong about this? so practically wildfire is as lame as ideos in gaming huh? well im just saying, they got that 3d game in their ads.. sucks tho.. im liking this ideos thing so far..

ch.wirapraja said:
interesting, could they (gmsarena) be wrong about this? so practically wildfire is as lame as ideos in gaming huh? well im just saying, they got that 3d game in their ads.. sucks tho.. im liking this ideos thing so far..
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They are. There is no GPU in the wildfire, and, it sucks at gaming. It should be your last priority if you intend to play even remotely taxing games, even ones like Angry Birds.
I don't know about the Ideos, but, there again I think GSMArena is wrong. AFAIK, MSM7225 does not support GPU's. Only 7227 does, which is rated at 600MHz. So, if as another member said, that it ships at 600MHz, there is a possibility is uses the 7227 instead of the 7225.

3xeno said:
They are. There is no GPU in the wildfire, and, it sucks at gaming. It should be your last priority if you intend to play even remotely taxing games, even ones like Angry Birds.
I don't know about the Ideos, but, there again I think GSMArena is wrong. AFAIK, MSM7225 does not support GPU's. Only 7227 does, which is rated at 600MHz. So, if as another member said, that it ships at 600MHz, there is a possibility is uses the 7227 instead of the 7225.
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so which is faster? ideos or galaxy 5?

Does all games work without lag in Defy

I need a new mobile.I have considered Desire and Defy.The only difference between this two is the processor.Defy has 800MHz Cortex-A8 processor and the desire has 1 GHz Scorpion processor.Which is the best between these two.I need it mainly for gaming.So i need all the latest games to work without any lag.Does heavy games run on Defy without any lag?
Sorry for my Bad English

Not an expert in games here... but i can tell you Cortex from TI is much better in terms of performances. I'd go for Defy even if the Qualcomm cpu inside Desire clocks 200mhz more...
EDIT: also consider the PowerVR 530 graphic chip inside the Defy, it's not bad for gaming. AFAIK you can run any game with no problems provided that you download the powerVR version of the game (i mean, forget those Tegra2 or Xperia Play dedicated games)

For processor of defy, tout can overclock it to 1.2 ghz. for tegra games, download chain fire 3d from market. You have to be rooted to do both.
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xdaid said:
Not an expert in games here... but i can tell you Cortex from TI is much better in terms of performances. I'd go for Defy even if the Qualcomm cpu inside Desire clocks 200mhz more...
EDIT: also consider the PowerVR 530 graphic chip inside the Defy, it's not bad for gaming. AFAIK you can run any game with no problems provided that you download the powerVR version of the game (i mean, forget those Tegra2 or Xperia Play dedicated games)
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How does one distinguish between powerVR and Tegra2 versions of games in the Android Market?

Izak80 said:
How does one distinguish between powerVR and Tegra2 versions of games in the Android Market?
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Oh don't worry for that, the Android Market (at least the "desktop version") will tell you whether a game is compatible with your device or not. In the mobile version should be even easier since the game won't appear at all.

xdaid said:
Oh don't worry for that, the Android Market (at least the "desktop version") will tell you whether a game is compatible with your device or not. In the mobile version should be even easier since the game won't appear at all.
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Ok, then i dont have to think about it, good. Thanks for the info. By the way, bought a wonderful little game today called "They need to be fed", what a fun and addiciting game it turned out to be.

Chainfire 3D

Hi, does chainfire 3D work on the one x`s tegra 3 chip. thanks and also does the ulp geforce gpu support msaa because it makes games look much better. just want to check the compatibility since i bricked one of my phones using it(fixed with a nandroid backup).thanks in advance

ryanjsoo said:
Hi, does chainfire 3D work on the one x`s tegra 3 chip. thanks and also does the ulp geforce gpu support msaa because it makes games look much better. just want to check the compatibility since i bricked one of my phones using it(fixed with a nandroid backup).thanks in advance
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You didn't brick your phone. A brick means its dead.
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ryanjsoo said:
Hi, does chainfire 3D work on the one x`s tegra 3 chip. thanks and also does the ulp geforce gpu support msaa because it makes games look much better. just want to check the compatibility since i bricked one of my phones using it(fixed with a nandroid backup).thanks in advance
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From its market page - "S-OFF is also required on HTC devices"
So, at the moment, it wont work.
At least some of the features should work for us when we get S-OFF though

Nova 3 > slow and laggy

Hello, i palyed nova on my desire hd and it was ok, a bit laggy. Now i started plaing on nexus 7 and its... more laggy with hiper ultra graphic.... is there any way to turn graphic a bit down? I know on order and chaos its enaught to change optimozation=1 to optimizaton=3 in phonelist.txt but i have no idea for nova. My nexus is all stock.
Smexi-Nexi

What battery life you got when playing? As I find all my games lag under 25-30% really strange
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Its the same with 80 as 25 or 50. Just bad. OR gameloft didnt optimized yet nova 3...
Smexi-Nexi

Gameloft did not optimize the game for Tegra3.
Combine that with the fact that tegra3 has an abysmal memory bandwidth and a weak GPU.
The only reason google chose tegra3 for N7 is because it's the cheapest quad core SoC available.

So i hope in nexus 10 with S4 quad...... but forn now.... didmt gameloft said they will optimize nova3, mc3 and few other games specificly for n7?
Smexi-Nexi

Tarhaomenapuu said:
So i hope in nexus 10 with S4 quad...... but forn now.... didmt gameloft said they will optimize nova3, mc3 and few other games specificly for n7?
Smexi-Nexi
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you gotta root your N7 and install the clemsyn kernel to get the most out of gameloft titles. you don't even need to oc the cpu it's what he has done with the gpu that matters. clemsyn has two different versions a 650mhz gpu that i use and a 700mhz gpu just released either one will make nova3 play with no issues. you can also play asphalt7 with the high rez maps enabled which are off by default. trust me the clemsyn kernels are gaming kernels and they WORK.
cheers

The tegra 3 isn't slow by any means. Its that the game is not optimized at all. Its specifically related to Gameloft games. Phones with weaker gpus run it fine. The tegra 3 has plenty of power to run it.
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runs fine here with any kernel ive tried with the stock, aosp, or rasbean jelly roms. try redownloading the game data.

Sorry but i dont mean changing kernel or rom.... not on freash fully supported device...
Smexi-Nexi

Tarhaomenapuu said:
Sorry but i dont mean changing kernel or rom.... not on freash fully supported device...
Smexi-Nexi
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no, dont change the kernel or rom, try redownloading/reinstalling the game/data.

blackhand1001 said:
The tegra 3 isn't slow by any means. Its that the game is not optimized at all. Its specifically related to Gameloft games. Phones with weaker gpus run it fine. The tegra 3 has plenty of power to run it.
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+1 my gs2 runs it like a champ as well as my buddys metropcs esteem

Ok, ill redownload, i have to change tab due to omfg screen lift anyway.
Smexi-Nexi

darkchazz said:
Gameloft did not optimize the game for Tegra3.
Combine that with the fact that tegra3 has an abysmal memory bandwidth and a weak GPU.
The only reason google chose tegra3 for N7 is because it's the cheapest quad core SoC available.
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ok for memory bandwith,but i don't think the tegra3 gpu is "weak".i can play good games with a power vr 540 on mine 2 gnex,with the tegra3 gpu i have wonderful graphic,especially with tegra optimized games.honestly s3 mali apart,i think geforce ulp is the best ATM .don't think adreno 225 is better that ours..only a rivisited 220 with directx support.and the fact of have tegra optimized games for me it'a good think.i was totally unsatisfied with tegra2 Soc,but with tegra3 in a device like n7,i'm good to go.i play nova without problem,not have like op sad

sert00 said:
ok for memory bandwith,but i don't think the tegra3 gpu is "weak".i can play good games with a power vr 540 on mine 2 gnex,with the tegra3 gpu i have wonderful graphic,especially with tegra optimized games.honestly s3 mali apart,i think geforce ulp is the best ATM .don't think adreno 225 is better that ours..only a rivisited 220 with directx support.and the fact of have tegra optimized games for me it'a good think.i was totally unsatisfied with tegra2 Soc,but with tegra3 in a device like n7,i'm good to go.i play nova without problem,not have like op sad
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Yeah, and the tegra 3 does a great job with the 2d rendering of android 4.0+. The adreno accelerates very little of the interface and the Mali (friends epic 4g touch) while fast was never as smooth as my nexus on cyanogenmod even with that low res screen.
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Nova 3 and most other Gameloft games have always run like dodo on my N7 and Prime (both tegra 3 devices), its not your hardware, custom kernels do help a little but not nearly enough to provide an enjoyable game experience, I'm gonna assume most who say Nova 3 runs fine with no lag, are more casual gamers rather then hard core gamers, this group generally accepts that anything over 15 FPS is "smooth gameplay to them", which is hardly smooth to me, as i'm in the group labelled hard core gamer. To me smooth is 60 FPS and above, the higher the FPS the smoother the gameplay is gonna feel, also micro stutters/freezes and pauses is not smooth, the term smooth is subjective...granted there isnt a FRAPS type utility for android however if you are a experienced hard core gamer you can generally estimate the FPS your getting, Nova on my N7 along with most other Gameloft games I'd say runs anywhere between 15- 40 FPS, if it was optimized it would alot smoother much like shadowgun dead trigger run, or Dark Meadow on the Unreal 3 engine.

casual gamers or hardcore gamers like you,when a person play a games and say that it's smooth,it's smooth and stop,i don't know why we should be hardcore gamers only to see if a games lags or not.Anyway i'm triyng few games of gameloft (not tegra optimized) and i admit that nova 3 it isn't perfect,need a bit of optimization yet.on mine gnex instaed runs very well,with power vr sgx 540 overclocked at 512 mhz

New Anti-Lag Apk
djkinetic said:
Nova 3 and most other Gameloft games have always run like dodo on my N7 and Prime (both tegra 3 devices), its not your hardware, custom kernels do help a little but not nearly enough to provide an enjoyable game experience, I'm gonna assume most who say Nova 3 runs fine with no lag, are more casual gamers rather then hard core gamers, this group generally accepts that anything over 15 FPS is "smooth gameplay to them", which is hardly smooth to me, as i'm in the group labelled hard core gamer. To me smooth is 60 FPS and above, the higher the FPS the smoother the gameplay is gonna feel, also micro stutters/freezes and pauses is not smooth, the term smooth is subjective...granted there isnt a FRAPS type utility for android however if you are a experienced hard core gamer you can generally estimate the FPS your getting, Nova on my N7 along with most other Gameloft games I'd say runs anywhere between 15- 40 FPS, if it was optimized it would alot smoother much like shadowgun dead trigger run, or Dark Meadow on the Unreal 3 engine.
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I recently put together an Anti-Lag mod of this game which you can download form here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L40UZCTDC0