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Installing custom roms and "low on memory" warning

I decided to try my first custom ROM... (installing virtous) and have a few questions/issues:
1) I started with a Nandroid backup.
2) I did a full titanium backup
3) I used ROM manager to install Virtous (did a full system swipe)...
Ok.. here is where I am having my issues
After the install, I went back to the marketplace and installed titanium backup.
What option should I restore? I would like to get all the widgets and data restored. I tried restore all apps+system data but I am wondering if that is reinstalling the bloatware that virtous removed. If so, what are the correct options in Titanium backup I should use?
Next, I tried to reinstall everything but I got that dreaded low on storage and then out of storage space error. My phone has lots of storage both internal and on the SD card - so the restore (I am guessing) failed at some indeterminate point. Most of my widgets were not loading properly (beautiful widget, pure calendar, multi-icon etc) after the attempted restore.
Regardless, even if I clean-up the widgets, the low memory message persisted so I was left with no choice but to revert to my previous nandroid backup .
So... how do you install a custom rom and easily reestablish your previous state/settings without getting the low/ out of storage warning?
Also, one of my goals is to get a deodexed rom so I can install custom themes (e.g., battery mods, etc). Can I just flash the deodexed stock rom over my current rom (I did not understand deodexed when I first upgraded to froyo) without having to do a swipe? Will I run into any issues?
Thanks

I tried again with less apps/ data and still have no luck.
I did a restore all apps and system data from titanium, got a low storage than out of storage error (the phone has over 60% of its storage available so I know I am nowhere near close to actually using all the storage).
When titanium completed, most apps forced close (gmail, rom manager, etc) so I assume the storage error is impacting the restore.
Back to my nandroid backup again.
If I am running stock Froyo, can I just flash a new sense based froyo without wiping? (trying to find a way to experiment and really want to get a deodexed rom installed)

When new ROM is flashed, in TB, try reinstalling only user apps, not system apps.
Why?
The new ROM you flash and the ROM you are coming from should both have system apps already in them, so why reinstall system apps from the old ROM that most likely exist in the new ROM?

But how do I reestablish the previous settings? Or do I have to reconfigure all my accounts, etc each time I install a new rom.
Thanks

Me too. How to correct?
uncommon 1.1 on my phone is doing same thing. 1.0 had no problem.

Just a theory as I haven't tried to install another ROM...
I noticed the touchdown data file on my phone was quite big (>70mb) - it appears that when touchdown's data file gets very large, the message appears more often (looks likes there is a bug in Android with large data-sets). I cleared touchdown's data and resynced which shrunk the data file to ~12mb. I reinstalled all the apps I removed to try and eliminate the memory error and so far have been running smoothly.
When I have some time, I am going to try another ROM and see if I can restore without any storage issues. I still am curious how everyone resets their settings from ROM to ROM (or do they manually configure everything each time)

After poking around in astro file manager, contacts(cross-linked mess), and uninstalling some rarely used programs all to no avail......
I fixed my "low on program memory" notification by emptying my deleted items in the mail app- a hotmail account that is rarely used.
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siteexperts said:
But how do I reestablish the previous settings? Or do I have to reconfigure all my accounts, etc each time I install a new rom.
Thanks
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To be on the safe side, just reinstall only apps, with or without data. There is no real point in wiping days, and yet reinstalling system apps and data. Kind of defeats the purpose. And yes, manually add accounts. Takes more time, but minimizes conflicts. Shouldn't take more than 30 minutes, which is a small price to pay to eliminate potential headaches.
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I've run into this as well. In fact it was the original reason I decided to move forward with rooting my phone since I had to wipe it anyway. Has anyone looked into what program monitors this and flags the error? Is memory not being reported correctly, or is there a tolerance that maybe we need to tweak in the code somewhere?

Notice to people using Titanium Backup to restore

Please stop using Titanium Backup to restore system files when you upgrade you ROM! Some system apps and settings are incompatible when newer ROMS. When I do backups I backup my user apps to one folder and system apps in another. This way I can just restore my user apps and their data in a batch restore but with the system files I only restore data to apps with the same version.
I make this thread because n00bs keep restoring everything including their incompatible system files and start to whine about the ROM being slow, apps FCing, and other assorted mishaps. I've already helped 2 n00b friends who had phones stuck in bootloop after doing full restore.

Which program would you suggest?
This is an interesting argument

I use Titanium Backup, I just don't restore system app data to incompatible apps.

I backup using apps + system data option.
In this case, system data refers to data that are related ONLY to apps right?
When I upgrade to gingerbread, you think it will cause problem??
Or, Should I only back up apps?
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[email protected] said:
I backup using apps + system data option.
In this case, system data refers to data that are related ONLY to apps right?
When I upgrade to gingerbread, you think it will cause problem??
Or, Should I only back up apps?
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When you backup user apps (the ones in white), you will backup the app + its settings and data.
When you backup system data (the ones in green), you are backing up only system settings, like SMS/MMS, Accounts, Calendar, Timezone, Phone logs, Wifi APN, etc.
When you backup system apps (the ones in red), you are backing up ONLY the settings and data for that app, not the app itself. THIS is what Intratech it asking you to NOT backup.
Why? Because the next ROM you install, will most likely have a different system app version than the one you previously had.
Usually:
Different apps == Different settings === problems

Heritz said:
When you backup user apps (the ones in white), you will backup the app + its settings and data.
When you backup system data (the ones in green), you are backing up only system settings, like SMS/MMS, Accounts, Calendar, Timezone, Phone logs, Wifi APN, etc.
When you backup system apps (the ones in red), you are backing up ONLY the settings and data for that app, not the app itself. THIS is what Intratech it asking you to NOT backup.
Why? Because the next ROM you install, will most likely have a different system app version than the one you previously had.
Usually:
Different apps == Different settings === problems
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So restoring the green ones should work fine? Especially the Application Widgets is important for me as it is much work to restore.
How to restore the red ones? Market + Samsung Apps?
If I do minor updates 2.2->2.2.1 is there the same recommendation to only restore user apps/data?
Thanks.

Why would you want to backup market and samsung apps?

I restore things like my APNs, contacts and SMS from system data using Titanium backup. Across a range of ROMs I've never had any issues, although I'm not restoring every bit of system data- just a select few.

Mikulec said:
Why would you want to backup market and samsung apps?
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It is faster to restore app's data than waiting for market to come up with updates and configure all manually.
Does system backup do a backup of new versions of system apps?

rickg99 said:
It is faster to restore app's data than waiting for market to come up with updates and configure all manually.
Does system backup do a backup of new versions of system apps?
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the market automatically downloads apps when you open it. personally, i do not back up my apps but instead use my internet connection to access the market and sownload all the apps back at one go. Q: Is the same service(auto download downloaded apps) on samsung apps?

Heritz said:
When you backup user apps (the ones in white), you will backup the app + its settings and data.
When you backup system data (the ones in green), you are backing up only system settings, like SMS/MMS, Accounts, Calendar, Timezone, Phone logs, Wifi APN, etc.
When you backup system apps (the ones in red), you are backing up ONLY the settings and data for that app, not the app itself. THIS is what Intratech it asking you to NOT backup.
Why? Because the next ROM you install, will most likely have a different system app version than the one you previously had.
Usually:
Different apps == Different settings === problems
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I do backup system data however I'm careful when restoring stuff. I check app version number and if they are different then I don't restore any app data for that.
The market doesn't automatically restore your user apps, that's why I restore those.

The market does auto download those apps that you have downloaded before but are not on your phone.

hello,
I know it's off topic, but can i just ask you a simple question?
when restoring with TB, does screen has to be on all the time?
because for me, when screen goes off, whole process stops and when I turn it back on, it resumes..
Is there an option available in TB where you can set to have screen off while restoring?
cheers

[email protected] said:
hello,
I know it's off topic, but can i just ask you a simple question?
when restoring with TB, does screen has to be on all the time?
because for me, when screen goes off, whole process stops and when I turn it back on, it resumes..
Is there an option available in TB where you can set to have screen off while restoring?
cheers
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Sure - in Settings or Options you can specify exactly this issue "WakeLocks Mode".
Kind regards,
ww

lamacow123 said:
The market does auto download those apps that you have downloaded before but are not on your phone.
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I never observed that

webwude said:
Sure - in Settings or Options you can specify exactly this issue "WakeLocks Mode".
Kind regards,
ww
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There's a bug with SGS and WakeLocks commands that TB never sorted and never supported or even gave feedback.
ScreenOn: will hang your screen On unless you reset phone
Keep CPU: screen bug is solved, but scheduled backups won't start in standby. They'll start later when you turn screen on. When screen is off, the will keep running (preferred setting for me)
Disbled: you'll have Keep CPU bug added with the pause of jobs when screen auto Off, as you expierience
To be on topic again, restoring green data is safe. Especially SMS, MMS, calendar and contacts data

For myself i duplicate apps folder on phone in case backup fails .
Root Explorer and copy APP file to sd card and or PC .
Backup fails then it just requires each app installing from the sd card .
jje

I don't think something so painfully obvious needed a thread.

lamacow123 said:
The market does auto download those apps that you have downloaded before but are not on your phone.
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Not on SGS roms
when you install CM7, it does

Furry Atom said:
I don't think something so painfully obvious needed a thread.
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I disagree because many guys get confused as to what system apps mean. I had this problem after I restored system apps a long time ago. Since then I don't backup my system apps at all but chose individual system apps like Maps, Gmail etc. to back up.

[Q] Disable auto-install apps

Hi there,
I already searched about this but i cant really find anything useful to me.
The problem is: I have a HTC Desire and everytime I change rom from new sense he restore my old apps from the old roms.... How can i stop that auto installation? Its so annoying.
Best Regards!
portela =)

U mean google's automatic backup?
Settings>Privacy>Backup Settings

Either the previous post or are you using an EXT partition for data2sd? If so, you will have to format that partition in between flashing roms.

If you flash new roms, you should do a full wipe. All installed should be deleted with this action.

4rm45 said:
U mean google's automatic backup?
Settings>Privacy>Backup Settings
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Yes, I am talking about google's automatic backup...
I was already there before but I just dont want apps restore... i want contacts from google :\
And "Automatic Restore" disabled solves this?

Are these google apps or apps you installed yourself which reinstall themselves?
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MatDrOiD said:
Are these google apps or apps you installed yourself which reinstall themselves?
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Apps that i installed before and now they reinstall themselves >_>
u know the solution?

portelaux said:
Apps that i installed before and now they reinstall themselves >_>
u know the solution?
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What was told: Do a full wipe before flashing a rom. With this action the /data partition and ext partition (and some other partitions, but these two are the were apps will be installed) will be formatted. Now apps should not install "themselves". A solution for now:
Manually uninstall the apps which reinstalled themselves.
And you can turn google's automatic backup off . You get the google contacts from syncing with google account (settings>accounts & sync). I also turned off this automatic backup, sync on the described way and i have all my google contacts on my phone. Furthermore, i (would) backup myself with titanium backup + nandroid + sms backup & restore.

MatDrOiD said:
What was told: Do a full wipe before flashing a rom. With this action the /data partition and ext partition (and some other partitions, but these two are the were apps will be installed) will be formatted. Now apps should not install "themselves". A solution for now:
Manually uninstall the apps which reinstalled themselves.
And you can turn google's automatic backup off . You get the google contacts from syncing with google account (settings>accounts & sync). I also turned off this automatic backup, sync on the described way and i have all my google contacts on my phone. Furthermore, i (would) backup myself with titanium backup + nandroid + sms backup & restore.
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I always do full wipes when I install roms... I think that the problem is that sense or something saves downloaded apps and it downloads again the apps.
http://www.htc.com/europe/howto.aspx?id=719&type=1&p_id=312
Your phone backs up the following types of data and settings whenever there are new additions or changes:
- Text and multimedia messages
- Settings in the Messages application
- Web bookmarks
- Keyboard dictionary
- Settings in your phone that fall under these categories:
Wireless & networks
Sound & display
Location
Applications
Date & time
Language & keyboard - only the Locale setting
I really dont understand how dont u all have this problem.. even the background desktop picture is there after another rom install >_>
still searchin more ideas :\

Now i am finished with my knowledge. Sorry. It sounds so strange that apps reinstall themselves.

sad thanks by the way
any1 with an idea about this?

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The only way I have found is as soon as you've gone through the setup process on initial boot with a new ROM, rush to Settings > Applications, then terminate Market application and clear its data. It stops it autodownloading the apps again.
Then I install what i want using Titanium Backup, and then I run Market. It does a "first start" user agreement thing and you're all back to normal, without the market redownloading apps you downloaded under previous ROMs.
Not a brilliant solution but better than nothing.

kingqueen said:
The only way I have found is as soon as you've gone through the setup process on initial boot with a new ROM, rush to Settings > Applications, then terminate Market application and clear its data. It stops it autodownloading the apps again.
Then I install what i want using Titanium Backup, and then I run Market. It does a "first start" user agreement thing and you're all back to normal, without the market redownloading apps you downloaded under previous ROMs.
Not a brilliant solution but better than nothing.
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thanks about that info
what about the background picture, it restores too... do u know where does that come from?

bump i really want to try to adjust this

I know this is old but did anyone ever solve this. I have t mobile now and everytime I factory reset my phone or change Roms it installs old Verizon apps. Soon as I log into my google accout

Grizeg said:
I know this is old but did anyone ever solve this. I have t mobile now and everytime I factory reset my phone or change Roms it installs old Verizon apps. Soon as I log into my google accout
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Whenever I change Rom I don't add my Google account in the initial setup. Before u do that, go settings , privacy, backup/restore. The auto restore option is ticked but greyed out so u cant select it. Tick auto backup box, de select auto restore, and deselect auto backup again. Now it should'nt restore anything...

[Q] problem with Cool3D AceS v4

Bonjour,
I've got a problem with this rom.
I've installed it with this link (http://www.cooldevs.com/archives/120), and just after it, flash:
- Stock_Hboot.zip
- RcTweaks For Stock Hboot
- Weather Pack
Reboot...
There was few decreasements in comparaison of InsertCoin, but the more annoying is the new Market which bug.
He try to restore me all apps (I don't know if it's linked to my problem)
I fell asleep during restauration of all apps andat wake up, I saw that few apps didn't ben restored.
- So I tried to restore them but impossible : I had an download error which was impossible to resolve even with delete the cache of Market application, wipe dalvik cache (executing the script which migrate it to sd-ext on the way). I precise that is was not a problem of space of my ext4.
- A second message at startup which tells me ""your phone is using more current than the charger is able to deliver...". For the moment, I never had this message (maybe it's because it's a pure Sense 3 rom I don't know...)
- In the way, I'm asking if there is a way to prevent Market to restore all apps at startup...because it's very penible if I have many applications, and I prefer to choose myself what I'd like to restore (if it's linked lso to my market problem...)
Edit : Even when restoring my rom, I've problem now with my market. Maybe it's the conversion on the fly of my ext3 partition to ext4 (to test the new rom) with 4ExtRecovery which has problem. So I return to recovery, check partition alignement which tell me that my fat32 is not properly aligned. I wipe partition table to rebuild all and I give you some news.
Edit 2: It changes nothing...now my market of my first rom don't work anymore...
Thanks a lot

OK, partition your card properly first and flash your new rom. Then during setup when you link your account to your phone, click you don't want it backed up and restored, remove both ticks. Then you hold power button and turn airplane mode on. You finish setup, push Titanium backup on your phone and restore your apps. Now you turn airplane mode off and the Market won't be downloading anything anymore. If you don't have TB backup, you're screwed mate. You can't abort silly Google restore nor you can choose what to install, flush list or do anything with it. It completely whacks a concept of having a clean install and that is the reason I hate ports even more. I know this is at best a workaround and not a solution, but probably you won't get anything better.
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erklat said:
OK, partition your card properly first and flash your new rom. Then during setup when you link your account to your phone, click you don't want it backed up and restored, remove both ticks. Then you hold power button and turn airplane mode on. You finish setup, push Titanium backup on your phone and restore your apps. Now you turn airplane mode off and the Market won't be downloading anything anymore. If you don't have TB backup, you're screwed mate. You can't abort silly Google restore nor you can choose what to install, flush list or do anything with it. It completely whacks a concept of having a clean install and that is the reason I hate ports even more. I know this is at best a workaround and not a solution, but probably you won't get anything better.
SwiftKeyed from my HTC Desire using XDA App.
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Ok, Thanks I'll try that for the future if I want to re install a new Rom but why I've this problem even in restoring my old rom?
And the most strange is that the problem is there also with my old HTC Hero under Cyanogen :-(.
Thanks.

Love ur Desire and Prevent Lags

Lag is typically a result of Android working really hard to do all the things you want at the same time. You may be right that an application may be hogging the CPU or even the RAM. Try to keep the number of applications/processes you do to a minimum (e.g load a web page, while sending an email, while opening contacts, etc.).
If you want to attempt to resolve the problem let's first assume that it's an application that's causing the problem.
Go to Settings (from Home Screen) --> about phone --> and check to see if any applications are on the list. If the application has a decent amount of battery usage from it (>5%) you may want to investigate the app further.
Then go to Applications (from settings) --> running services. This will let you know what apps have been stored in memory (RAM) and how much space they're taking up. When an application takes up more RAM then it should, it can cause our phone to work harder to get rid of apps not in use (this is how Android multi-tasks).
Ok let's assume this isn't an apps fault it may be time to clean your system cache. Have you ever noticed when you get a new computer, it's super fast, but as the years go on, your PC gets slower and slower. Sometimes things get stored in a cache which can slow down the system. To clear the cache on your android all you have to do is reset your phone to factory defaults. WARNING THIS WILL DELETE ALL OF YOUR APPLICATIONS you can of course re-download them, however it's not guaranteed that any of the information you have saved in the apps will persist. Anything saved on your SD card will remain unaffected.
Once you get everything downloaded and back to normal, you should notice your phone is pretty zippy again. However reseting your phone can be a pain and should only be done if you really can't pinpoint an application(s) that is responsible.

sleekykenny said:
Lag is typically a result of Android working really hard to do all the things you want at the same time. You may be right that an application may be hogging the CPU or even the RAM. Try to keep the number of applications/processes you do to a minimum (e.g load a web page, while sending an email, while opening contacts, etc.).
If you want to attempt to resolve the problem let's first assume that it's an application that's causing the problem.
Go to Settings (from Home Screen) --> about phone --> and check to see if any applications are on the list. If the application has a decent amount of battery usage from it (>5%) you may want to investigate the app further.
Then go to Applications (from settings) --> running services. This will let you know what apps have been stored in memory (RAM) and how much space they're taking up. When an application takes up more RAM then it should, it can cause our phone to work harder to get rid of apps not in use (this is how Android multi-tasks).
Ok let's assume this isn't an apps fault it may be time to clean your system cache. Have you ever noticed when you get a new computer, it's super fast, but as the years go on, your PC gets slower and slower. Sometimes things get stored in a cache which can slow down the system. To clear the cache on your android all you have to do is reset your phone to factory defaults. WARNING THIS WILL DELETE ALL OF YOUR APPLICATIONS you can of course re-download them, however it's not guaranteed that any of the information you have saved in the apps will persist. Anything saved on your SD card will remain unaffected.
Once you get everything downloaded and back to normal, you should notice your phone is pretty zippy again. However reseting your phone can be a pain and should only be done if you really can't pinpoint an application(s) that is responsible.
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This is wrong my friend, you can clear cache from recovery and it does nothing to apps installed. No need to wipe phone.

Yep iv`e just cleared /system, /boot, cleared cache and Dalvik cache, flashed AIO 3.0.4 and all my apps are still there.
I do find stopping certain apps (which i rarely use) after boot does help a tad...

Install Custom ROM ipdate without full wipe?
MattchuR said:
Yep iv`e just cleared /system, /boot, cleared cache and Dalvik cache, flashed AIO 3.0.4 and all my apps are still there.
I do find stopping certain apps (which i rarely use) after boot does help a tad...
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Can u do that from Runnymede by sabastien15 AIO 2.2? i wanna go for the3.10.4 but i dont have the breath for all the contact/settings/app installing crap now

MazenGER said:
Can u do that from Runnymede by sabastien15 AIO 2.2? i wanna go for the3.10.4 but i dont have the breath for all the contact/settings/app installing crap now
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No.
When you go from 2.x to 3.x you need to perform a full wipe. Just system cache and dalvik cache is not good enough.
You can, however, sync your phone with google, make a titanium backup, use the app backup/restore scripts from InsertCoin (search for them) before and after flashing the new ROM, in order to minimize the amount of setup you have to do afterwards.
-Jobo