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Restoring backup to an App2Sd rom (and a few other Q's)

Hi -
I'm considering the possibility of installing an App2SD rom (getting really frustrated with the lack of space on the desire). What I'm wanting to know is that:
a) If I do a titanium backup of my non app2sd rom, and install an app2sd rom, and do a full restore (including system settings?), would I be able to have all my apps and data as they were on the new rom?
b) Does having the apps and data on the sd card slow the application down (is memory card access now slower than internal access?)
c) How easy, and pain free is is to install an app2sd rom? (looking at leedroid). My phone is already rooted.
d) Is there anything anything else worth noting before I go ahead with it e.g. poor battery life, likelihood of bricking phone etc.
Many thanks!

stats101 said:
Hi -
I'm considering the possibility of installing an App2SD rom (getting really frustrated with the lack of space on the desire). What I'm wanting to know is that:
a) If I do a titanium backup of my non app2sd rom, and install an app2sd rom, and do a full restore (including system settings?), would I be able to have all my apps and data as they were on the new rom?
b) Does having the apps and data on the sd card slow the application down (is memory card access now slower than internal access?)
c) How easy, and pain free is is to install an app2sd rom? (looking at leedroid). My phone is already rooted.
d) Is there anything anything else worth noting before I go ahead with it e.g. poor battery life, likelihood of bricking phone etc.
Many thanks!
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a) No. Restoring system apps will cause FCs to say the least. Only restore user apps. Setting stuff can easily be recovered and not worth the hassle.
b) Yes. It will be slower. NAND is much faster than SD will ever be. A workaround is never to install system apps, widgets, keyboards and the like to the SD card.
c) Maybe about 2 or 3 more reboots and about 2 hours of your time, likely to be less
d) Since you've rooted, the most dangerous part is already over. I'm amazed that you are not on a custom ROM already.

Have a problem with backup but don't want to open a new thread.
I have backed up SMS and call log with SMS backup+ on to my gmail.
Did a full wipe and when i tried to restore it restored only my SMS, call log is still on my gmail and i can see it. How can i restore that on my phone?

[Q] Whole phone's gone crazy.. Apps seemingly disappeared

Hi,
I was just trying out a few ROMs, and after flashing CyanogenMod (The stable release, can't remember the exact name) and then doing a full wipe and restoring my LeeDroid Nandroid backup, I ran into a bit of a kerfuffle...
After booting up, I was greeted with blank homescreens - which was a bit annoying, but nothing too bad - and so went to get started on repopulating them.. only to find hardly any apps were present. I put this down to some of them not having synced yet, until I noticed that even system apps were missing; Market, Music etc - not a single downloaded/sideloaded app is present. They appear under the "Manage Applications" section of the Settings menu but only Data and Cache are present, not the Application themselves.
I reflashed the Nandroid backup again (and again), and was met with the same, only Astro File Manager had miraculously appeared so I could at least install some apps from my SD Card using that. So after installing the Market and Root Explorer from there, I could see that the System Apps were infact there, but required manual installation. I can't even re-download all of the lost Apps, as even attempting to select one in the Market leads to a force close.
I can effectively do nothing, except use the tiny array of Apps that are actually there, which at least does include Messaging and Phone. Does anyone have any idea how I can fix this, or a partial-solution at least?
Thanks
Ok, just as I finished typing this the Factory Reset finished and everything loaded. It seems everything is working now, but still, I'm just left with System Apps and with no sign of my other apps syncing/downloading.

After the wipe factory reset did you do nandroid install again straight after?
Sent from my leedroid v1.3a DhD via xda app

Yeah, and the same happened again. I tried various nandroids from all sorts of ROMs, and I would just get the same, even restoring the Stock ROM.
That said, the thread may as well be closed, I just went and did everything manually and everything's fine now. It took many hours, but it's in a usable state now.

i expect u will face the same problem soon as long as ur apps list will grow and be installed on ur device, this is a big issue i faced and still experimenting to get the best solution for, but currently the most effective cure is to mount ur sd card to a card reader, and go to the folder android_secure, cut some bunch of files ther(maybe half of them) and past to ur desktop, mount back the sd to ur device, ur phone will bahave normally now, this will work great after ur nandroid backup, when u see it work, try again the previous step and start to add files to android_secure folder from ur desktop, untill the bad behaviors start to occur.
hope this will help

[Q] Incredible: Sync error and Google Services framework force close with CM7

All of a sudden a couple days ago, Gmail on my rooted Incredible (running CM 7.1 and incredikernel) began acting sluggish, syncing poorly, and force closing. Soon thereafter I got a message reading Google Services Framework was not responding, followed by FCs of pretty much every app I tried to open: maps, market, voice, etc.
It happened once before due to an issue with Google Music sync. Turning that off, waiting a day or two, and resuming sync did the trick. This time I'm seeing sync errors with Gmail (on each of the 2 accounts I have set up), Contacts, and Music. All at different times. And nothing seems to solve the problem
I've tried seemingly everything to no avail.
Thus far I've: wiped Dalvik cache, wiped cache, rolled back to an old Nandroid backup, reinstalled CM 7.1, reinstalled GApps, reinstalled GMail app from the market, wiped all data and cache from Gmail/Google Services/Contacts/Contacts Storage/Calendar/Calendar Storage, and ultimately did a full factory reset through Recovery.
After reinstalling CM 7.1 + GApps last night, things seemed to be OK, but I'm back to everything FC'ing today. If I have sync turned off, I can use the phone. But even then, my wifi/radio icons in the status bar are permanently white.
Any ideas? I don't seem to have any corrupt contacts. And setting up a one-time sync of each Gmail account (including contacts and calendar) didn't seem to be any harm. Only thing I can think is if my Titanium back up had something corrupt in it. I did restore that (apps only, no system data) after factory reset.
Thanks in advance for any help

Are other apps syncing correctly? I'd try a fresh start WITHOUT restoring anything through titanium.

Thank you.
Is it possible to determine which files backed up through Titanium might be causing the issue (or otherwise try to prevent against this down the road)? Alternately, after a full wipe/restore through Nandroid, is it possible to restore individual apps from a batch Titanium back up?
I know it seems to be specific to Incredibles that the typical wipe of calendar/contacts/gmail doesn't get rid of Google Services Framework FCs... so hoping to be sure all bases are covered.
Thanks again!

Yes, you "can" restore apps in titanium but have to be careful. It seems like most people don't have problems restoring just apps. Some are even OK with app+app data. Its NOT recommended to restore system data, especially if you're going from sense to AOSP or vice versa. Personally, I redownload my apps fresh from the market, using the automated Google restore or the web market, which you can download apps straight to your phone from. I've never run into any problems doing it this way.

Sounds like my GFs problem too, except the FC'ing happens once and a while and I have to format the whole phone to fix it.

My Incredible with CM7 is having the same problems
I was using an older CM7 nightly which had been stable for several months.
Out of the blue, all my google apps start crashing, as well as the framework.
Force closes EVERYWHERE.
I loaded the latest nightly, and rebooted. Same problem.
Had some trouble with Titanium Backup destroying the functionality of my home button along the way... so I started from scratch (as much as possible):
Wiped the Delvik Cache, Formatted the Cache, Wiped the Data.
Installed newest CM7 and gapps from cyanogenmod.
Ran "Fix Permissions".
Reverted back to the included ADW.Launcher instead of the paid version I previously had.
Manually installed a skeleton set of apps, and used titanium backup only to restore data on a handful of apps that really needed it.
It was stable for a day, then the same force close issues with all my google apps and the google framework.
Rebooting the phone seems to help temporarily, but I hate having to reboot my phone twice a day.
I've been updating to new nightlies every day now, hoping that one of them will finally fix this problem.
Do I need to flash a new radio, perhaps?
What could I be missing?

When you do a fresh install, wipe system and boot as well data/factory reset. Also, try downloading and installing apps from market, not titanium (restore nothing from titanium). Your radio should be a 2.15 series, but also shouldn't cause this.

Found this thread looking for my answer and found a solution somewhere else, just as an FYI here:
The strange thing is, I'm NOT out of space. My SD card and internal memory have plenty of room. Then I remembered: The Incredible only has about 300 MB of application storage partitioned. Cyanogen seems to work around this problem, EXCEPT for apps from the Marketplace. They will still say there is not enough space. Other install sources (raw apk, amazon, etc), work just fine.
I remembered that I installed Peggle from Amazon yesterday, which was an 80 MB download. I also remembered I couldn't re-install Angry Birds that day because the Market said I was out of space.
So! I uninstalled Peggle and a couple more large apps I don't need, turned all my syncing back on, no DB I/O errors in LogCat, no force closes, no nothing!
So here's my diagnosis:
-HTC Incredible only partitions ~300 MB for applications+data
-Cyanogen lets users install MORE than 300 MB of applications+data
-Android services (such as market and sync) don't understand Cyanogen is doing
-Android services fail gracefully (like market), or not so gracefully (like Sync) when you are out of 'storage'.
-Making sure you have some "free" space in your /data/data/ folder (I have about 30 MB) causes these force closes to stop.
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http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/24484-lots-of-google-framework-failuresrebooting-needed

Poor Performance on Sense 3.5 ROMs

Hey guys,
i used good old InsertCoin ROM most time, but i'd like to use new Sense 3.5 now.
I tried Runnymedia AIO and Runny ROM. Both perform ok at first, but then i restore my apps using Titanium Backup. Now the device performs extremely slow after i use the market (play store).
Increasing CPU Frequency doesn't help either. How can i find out, whats slowing my device down?
Using STOCK HBOOT with 1GB Ext4 Partition.
Radio: 32.49.00.32U_5.11.05.27

Instead of Restoring apps, why not try re-downloading them from the Play Store. My Phone is super smooth. No problems yet.

It seems that you're right. App-restoring might be the problem. I removed most apps which i restored with TB and now its smooth again.
But of course i want to keep my App-Data (/data) from my InsertCoin installation.
I'll try installing BackupEverything on IC, backup my apps with this app and then restore to Runny ROM.

Any idea why that might be?
I also have a slow RunnyMod after restoring via Titanium to restore my apps, but most of them have no other way to backup...

Slow, after restoring with BackupEverything too. And BE doesn't even backup /data/data
Somebody knows a tool which actually works?

thylux said:
Any idea why that might be?
I also have a slow RunnyMod after restoring via Titanium to restore my apps, but most of them have no other way to backup...
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I backup my apps using AppMonster PRO. Have done since I got my Desire 2 years ago.
It allows for plain name backup of .apks and using its newer backup method, allows for batch reinstall of apps. Also can specifiy how many versions of an apk to keep / as2d notification and automatic backup of .apk when installed.
Doesn't do cache backup and user customizations that can be carried over from one install to another in way that Titanium Backup does, but works fab for me, I just reinstall wot I want!
In this way I dont get any mess up's when switching roms were I restore a TB backup and it puts the data in the wrong place.

I always backup and restore with ic_backup_apps.zip and ic_restore_apps.zip. I can't find the original links (there was a link in the Insertcoin thread) and I don't know if I'm allowed to post mirrors here. But a google search should help you get those files I think.
ic_backup_apps stores all the apks in a .tar file on you sd card and also wipes your system, be careful
ic_restore_apps unpacks this file and puts them back
To install another ROM I always do the following:
backup apps with titanium (only user apps+data, no system data)
backup sms, call log and "some" system settings with Mybackup root
power off, reboot in recovery
a nandroid backup is advised, you should do this regulary anyway imo
flash ic_backup_apps.zip as you would flash any other zip. But be careful, this also wipes everything
full wipe (data+system+boot+sd-ext+cache+dalvik) + battery stats, so everything except sd card
flash the rom.zip
flash ic_restore_apps.zip
power off, (remove sim, to prevent incoming sms while restoring), reboot
switch off automatic backup (it's not needed now)
restore with mybackup root
restore (some) user app data with titanium
I've wiped and flashed multiple sense 3.5 ROMs this way and never had problems with slowness or FCs.
Your SD card could also be a bottleneck.

Can you nandroid restore for apps & settings on new ROM or new version of same ROM?

Can you nandroid restore for apps & settings on new ROM or new version of same ROM?
Many people (myself included) are "flash-happy" and install new ROMs or ROM updates very frequently. While I love flashing new stuff, I hate the process of getting my phone set up all over again. Titanium Backup is currently my go-to app for backing up apps and restoring them after a flash. Nova Launcher has been super-helpful in keeping my widgets. However, many apps don't work until you open them after a restore (1Weather, Adfree, LightFlow, Lux, etc). So generally, the following is my tedious process for flashing:
1. Assign labels in TiBU to the apps I want to restore and run "backup all apps + data"
2. Wipe Data, Cache, Dalvik, Battery Stats
3. Flash ROM, GApps, Kernel, etc. Fix permissions
4. Install TiBU and then painstakingly restore apps (only non-system), then restore data for those apps.
5. Open each app and configure where necessary
6. Go through all the ROM settings and set them the way I like (nav bar icon size, clock posiiton, battery icon, etc etc etc).
Just the thought of going through this whole process makes me hold off on flashing too often, and I usually end up saving flashes for when I have a big chunk of time. Some people, I've noticed, flash new ROMs like they've got nothing better to do. It makes me wonder... do they have some trick for quickly restoring their phones after each flash? Is there some way to condense or streamline steps 4-6 in my process?
A Nandroid backup saves the System and Data partitions. What info does each partition contain? I realize that each ROM is different and it might be problematic to restore settings of one ROM to another, but what if you're simply upgrading to a newer version of the same ROM? I'm wondering if I can make a nandroid backup of CNA 3.6.6 and then restore only the Data partition after flashing CNA 3.8.0 so that the new ROM is in place but all the apps and settings are restored from the previous setup. If this does work, is it stable and smooth?
Or if I'm completely off about using Nandroid for this purpose, does anyone have any methods for getting back up to speed quickly after flashing new ROMs?

In titanium backup you can go to settings > create update.zip so next time you flash a new rom gapps etc you can install the update.zip as well and have TiBu off the back. If you have the pro key it will be more beneficial to you. You do have to log into you google account if you have the pro key before opening TiBu. I use Paranoid Android and I can backup my rom settings idk how CNA does it. That one you might have to manually do.
Between ROM updates you don't have to wipe data. Just Cache and dalvik.
I have recovered my data partition between wipes before but stopped because everytime I update or flash a new rom I usually go for a new look.
Here is my process between flashing new roms
1. Backup everything in TiBu (I already have the update.zip so I skip that. You only need to do it once or if the app gets updated)
2. Go into recovery wipe data, system, cache, dalvik
3. Install rom, gapps, kernel, TiBu
4. Restart
5. Load up sign into google account
6. Open TiBu and restore everything
Some apps naturally won't restore everything like Adfree for example will put the hosts file in your system for you, when you back that app up your only backing up the settings. When you back it up it only backs up the settings. Dropbox and Skydrive I have to manually sign back in. I never had lightflow so I don't know how that works. Its a little tedious but I usually give a rom a few hours before I actually go through all that.
Hope it helps

If you don't want to have to log in to your Google account before using the full version of Titanium Backup, just use App2Zip to make a flashable zip of TiBu and its Pro key. Then just flash it last, boot, and batch restore the rest of your apps and data.

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