So I've had the EVO for about 6 months now and I really like the functionality it provides. But, I've been finding lately the the maintenance the phone requires actually takes up more time than I save by employing said functionality. I've wavered on this for a few months now but I think I'm going to "downgrade" my phone to something smaller and simpler....something to simplify my life. For those that are wondering, here are the reasons I'm done with the EVO (or similar smartphones).
Battery life
Bad signal strength
Size
Does everything okay but few things great
Crashes, hangs, other random issues (like for example, I woke up this morning and my phone was 10 minutes behind on time)
I don't want to get in a debate about the merits of the EVO vs. other phones. The EVO is one of the best phones I've had, I just think I need to simplify this portion of my life. So, here is what I would like out of a new phone.
Small, small small
Keyboard is optional
Works on Sprint
Touchscreen optional
Full web browsing in a pinch
GPS Navigation is a must
A camera would be nice but not necessary
Facebook would be nice but not necessary
Pandora would be nice but not necessary
Cheaper than the EVO
Any thoughts?
Why would you ask an EVO forum to get a good review of OTHER phones. it's an EVO forum. we're a bit biased.
I would suggest a Blackberry Curve 3G. Or any other Blackberry model for that fact.
I'm considering switching to that. I came from a Blackberry to the evo. Blackberry phones are great phones. Reliable, huge user base so a lot of people to help if you have a problem. Battery life is amazing too. The apps are getting better too. More choices.
I've been seeing Evo's sell on ebay for about 300 bucks or so, and I've seen BB Curve 3G's selling new for 250 so that's what I'm thinking about doing. I miss blackberry big time.
To the person above me: I had no problem suggesting a phone...
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I assume you are ruling out Android as a whole, so I would also go with a blackberry as the next best thing. However, coming from one to an Android device (the EVO's is my third) I will never go back to the Blackberry.
Internet just sucks in comparison, and you will likely have to pay extra for navigation and it won't be as good as Google's.
No other option in my opinion. You could try a pre, but I wouldn't.
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I have a Blackberry Curve (the newer one w/out trackball, thank god) for work and the one thing I like about it is that the battery lasts for days. That and everyone has them so BBM is nice. It's also small and really light.
However it is slooooooooooow compared to the Evo, but if you're okay with that, seems like it would fit the bill.
There's also a new full keyboard flip Blackberry for Sprint.
Probably BB. Simple and it works.
Shane112358 said:
So I've had the EVO for about 6 months now and I really like the functionality it provides. But, I've been finding lately the the maintenance the phone requires actually takes up more time than I save by employing said functionality. I've wavered on this for a few months now but I think I'm going to "downgrade" my phone to something smaller and simpler....something to simplify my life. For those that are wondering, here are the reasons I'm done with the EVO (or similar smartphones).
Battery life
Bad signal strength
Size
Does everything okay but few things great
Crashes, hangs, other random issues (like for example, I woke up this morning and my phone was 10 minutes behind on time)
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Battery life can be fixed. I can easily run an entire day on a single charge after installing setcpu, new rom, new kernel.
Signal strength isn't something I've noticed specific to the EVO. Have you talked to other people on your network with different devices?
Size, yeah, you either like big phone or you don't. I love big phones, but a lot of people think it's just way too large.
Not sure what you mean by only a few things great. It's highly customizable and fast. Not really sure what you can't do with it that you want.
Crashes.. I'd suggest custom rom, new radios, new kernel. Play around with it. Myn's 2.2 and MikFroyo 4.4 are awesome ROMs. Fast and stable for me, and a lot of people. The time thing is weird. Normally the clock doesn't update until you actually interact with the phone. Could be a different issue though.
I think a number of your complaints can be fixed with the right customization. Don't ditch a phone over issues you can fix IMO. But then again you want to "simplify" things, which leads me to believe you aren't really the kind of person who enjoy tinkering with your phone. Androids really shine when you mod them. Androids for modders, iPhones for people who just want a phone that works.
If you aren't willing, or can't, fix the problems then definitely go with a Black Berry. There are 3 phones that are awesome: iPhone, Android, BlackBerry.
Go with the cheapest blackberry Sprint is willing to offer you. It'll do what you want. They're very reliable devices, they just lack the wide range of customization you find on iPhone and Android devices, but that's because they're designed with businesses in mind. I doubt you'd be able to find a modern phone that lacks the features you want. The only thing I'm not totally sure on is pandora.
SilverStone641 said:
Why would you ask an EVO forum to get a good review of OTHER phones. it's an EVO forum. we're a bit biased.
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Well of course you are I guess I figured that since this is the phone forum where I have spent the most of my time, it seemed like a good place.
I had the Palm Pre before and to be honest, there are several things (Exchange integration, multitasking, settings management) that I really miss from the Pre. That being said, the EVO obviously is much faster and does a lot more on the whole. However, I have been thinking about moving to the Pixi.
Blackberry is a good option as well. Honestly I'm open to a non-qwerty non-touch phone if it has GPS navigation.
RainWind said:
Battery life can be fixed. I can easily run an entire day on a single charge after installing setcpu, new rom, new kernel.
Signal strength isn't something I've noticed specific to the EVO. Have you talked to other people on your network with different devices?
Size, yeah, you either like big phone or you don't. I love big phones, but a lot of people think it's just way too large.
Not sure what you mean by only a few things great. It's highly customizable and fast. Not really sure what you can't do with it that you want.
Crashes.. I'd suggest custom rom, new radios, new kernel. Play around with it. Myn's 2.2 and MikFroyo 4.4 are awesome ROMs. Fast and stable for me, and a lot of people. The time thing is weird. Normally the clock doesn't update until you actually interact with the phone. Could be a different issue though.
I think a number of your complaints can be fixed with the right customization. Don't ditch a phone over issues you can fix IMO. But then again you want to "simplify" things, which leads me to believe you aren't really the kind of person who enjoy tinkering with your phone. Androids really shine when you mod them. Androids for modders, iPhones for people who just want a phone that works.
If you aren't willing, or can't, fix the problems then definitely go with a Black Berry. There are 3 phones that are awesome: iPhone, Android, BlackBerry.
Go with the cheapest blackberry Sprint is willing to offer you. It'll do what you want. They're very reliable devices, they just lack the wide range of customization you find on iPhone and Android devices, but that's because they're designed with businesses in mind. I doubt you'd be able to find a modern phone that lacks the features you want. The only thing I'm not totally sure on is pandora.
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I've gone that route. I've run 3 or 4 different ROMS under different kernels, and every one has it's own problem. At one point under Cyanogen I was getting 2 days battery, now inexplicably I don't get more than 10 under light use. I'm tired of having to troubleshoot problems like this. Or the fact that I woke up 10 minutes late today because my phone's time was off. Or the fact that about once every other week my Exchange account just decides to delete itself from my phone. It seems like to get what I want out of this phone, I need to spend all this time tinkering with new ROMS, new kernels, etc etc and like I said, maybe if I did more than I already have then I could get what I want out of this phone. But I don't want to spend several hours a week maintaining my phone. The EVO has huge potential and the functionality it can provide is impressive. But to me the trade off is not worth it in my life right now.
On a more philosophical note, I feel that we're in an awkward phase of smartphone development (and technology development in general). There has been a very large concentration on increasing features and functionality, but at the expense of reliability and stability. I'm waiting for us to hit a functionality/speed plateau so more work goes into integrating these features intelligently and intuitively, and making these devices rock-solid stable.
Id suggest either the BB Bold or the Iphone 4. I dont like blackberries but the bold is pretty nice.
Shane112358 said:
For those that are wondering, here are the reasons I'm done with the EVO (or similar smartphones).
Battery life
Bad signal strength
Size
Does everything okay but few things great
Crashes, hangs, other random issues (like for example, I woke up this morning and my phone was 10 minutes behind on time)
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Honestly none of those are relevant to the EVO anymore except for the size.
1. I am running Myn's Rom Stock Kernel(#15), and several Co-workers are running unrooted stock with the 3.70 OTA (Kernel #15). I get 24 hours out of a charge easily, and they are averaging 17hours. I run with GPS, mobile data, background data all on, beautiful widgets weather widget syncing every 30 minutes.
2. Signal strength is going to be poor regardless of the phone really, if your on sprint and your signal is bad with the EVO its going to be bad with other phones. I have awesome signal everywhere i go with my EVO, no dropped calls ect..
3. Size is the only thing you can argue against the EVO vs other phones, I don't feel the size is an issue at all, but thats a personal preference.
4. My EVO has been able to do everything i need it to do perfectly with no hiccups.
5. Maybe you should look at everything you've done to your phone, mine has never hung, or crashed, and the time is always spot on.
People expect everything to be perfect, but not even a laptop is perfect without a few tweaks, just like the EVO, clean up the bloat, manage your programs, and you will be fine.
Out of all your reasons for ditching the EVO, the only one i can see as the real excuse is the size, and for that maybe you should take a peek at the EVO Shift 4G, otherwise your looking for a blackberry, and they are just extremely slow when performing tasks.
this thread is funny.
Khilbron said:
Honestly none of those are relevant to the EVO anymore except for the size.
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For you. Not relevant for you. Go look at all the people complaining about (insert one of 1000 problems here) throughout these forums. Do you think others are just making these things up?
1. I am running Myn's Rom Stock Kernel(#15), and several Co-workers are running unrooted stock with the 3.70 OTA (Kernel #15). I get 24 hours out of a charge easily, and they are averaging 17hours. I run with GPS, mobile data, background data all on, beautiful widgets weather widget syncing every 30 minutes.
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I'm glad for you. I was there too, for a few weeks. Then all of a sudden my phone would refuse to sleep. Yes I've looked into it. Going back to stock ROM fixed it, but then the battery life wasn't as good as it could be with other ROMs. And I had decreased functionality.
2. Signal strength is going to be poor regardless of the phone really, if your on sprint and your signal is bad with the EVO its going to be bad with other phones. I have awesome signal everywhere i go with my EVO, no dropped calls ect..
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I should have been more precise. I almost never drop a call, and call quality is....acceptable. But when I'm at home with 1 bar (out of 4 on Cyanogen) and 3 bars of WiFi and it takes 30 seconds to load a simple webpage (or it times out)....it's unacceptable. Again, this is ROM and kernel dependent.
3. Size is the only thing you can argue against the EVO vs other phones, I don't feel the size is an issue at all, but thats a personal preference.
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Size is usually OK for me, it bugs me once in awhile but really, I figure that a reduction in features automatically buys me a smaller device.
4. My EVO has been able to do everything i need it to do perfectly with no hiccups.
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I'm glad for you. There are many, including myself, that wish I could say the same.
5. Maybe you should look at everything you've done to your phone, mine has never hung, or crashed, and the time is always spot on.
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I've gone back to stock several times and started over. But then the battery life is horrible and it doesn't have features that I like from other ROMs.
I said I wasn't getting into a debate but I guess here I am. I love...love the functionality of the EVO much of the time. Being able to push one button and say "Navigate to Starbucks" and it just does it is badass. But when simple things like battery life, web browsing, time, Exchange sync......aren't up to par, it's hard to overlook them.
So anyways, different strokes for different folks right? If everyone had the same phone that would be boring.
I might like the iPhone 4 but refuse to pay the AT&T Premium.
I'm actually looking at the Blackberry Pearl now. I think it has most of the stuff I want. And it's small as crap and cheap.
So far the consensus is Blackberry. By the way, I stopped at a sprint store while I was shopping earlier, and I looked at the Blackberry style. The flip phone Blackberry. It did have sprint navigation, so I would assume other newer model Blackberry's would too
I wasn't fond of the idea of a flip phone Blackberry, but after playing with it, I sorta liked it. It had a real quality feel, the new Blackberry 6 os is fast.
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josh995 said:
So far the consensus is Blackberry. By the way, I stopped at a sprint store while I was shopping earlier, and I looked at the Blackberry style. The flip phone Blackberry. It did have sprint navigation, so I would assume other newer model Blackberry's would too
I wasn't fond of the idea of a flip phone Blackberry, but after playing with it, I sorta liked it. It had a real quality feel, the new Blackberry 6 os is fast.
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Thanks. It's actually my plan today to go by the Sprint store and check out the Style.
Sounds to me like Android is right for you but the Evo isn't. Try a smaller Android phone with an LED screen that uses up less battery (Epic comes to mind). Both Epic and Evo Shift have physical keyboards. Also, if you root it, just go with the a stock rooted rom so you don't have to worry about the instabilities of using what any particular dev feels is "the best" rom. That will eliminate the time you have to invest in your phone, and you won't have to deal with a BB that can't browse the simplest webpage or can't navigate it's way out of a paper bag.
My $0.02.
Shane112358 said:
For you. Not relevant for you. Go look at all the people complaining about (insert one of 1000 problems here) throughout these forums. Do you think others are just making these things up?
I'm glad for you. I was there too, for a few weeks. Then all of a sudden my phone would refuse to sleep. Yes I've looked into it. Going back to stock ROM fixed it, but then the battery life wasn't as good as it could be with other ROMs. And I had decreased functionality.
I should have been more precise. I almost never drop a call, and call quality is....acceptable. But when I'm at home with 1 bar (out of 4 on Cyanogen) and 3 bars of WiFi and it takes 30 seconds to load a simple webpage (or it times out)....it's unacceptable. Again, this is ROM and kernel dependent.
Size is usually OK for me, it bugs me once in awhile but really, I figure that a reduction in features automatically buys me a smaller device.
I'm glad for you. There are many, including myself, that wish I could say the same.
I've gone back to stock several times and started over. But then the battery life is horrible and it doesn't have features that I like from other ROMs.
I said I wasn't getting into a debate but I guess here I am. I love...love the functionality of the EVO much of the time. Being able to push one button and say "Navigate to Starbucks" and it just does it is badass. But when simple things like battery life, web browsing, time, Exchange sync......aren't up to par, it's hard to overlook them.
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The signal bar at the top on cyanogen roms isn't your actual "cdma/cell signal strength" it's your 3g signal strength I believe...
and I highly urge you to reconsider leaving android for anything other than an iphone 4... blackberry and palm really don't have anything to offer that android or ios don't. You could try a windows phone when/if one comes out for sprint...
you come to a evo forum asking us to fined you a new phone
imho go back to a flip phone
Get yourself an optimus for $50 and call it a day. just make sure you get it by the end of the week, or you'll get hit with the premium data fee.
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Is there any reason to stick with this phone?
I just picked up the AT&T Tilt2 from LetsTalk.com for free and I still feel like I got ripped off.
I've used WinMo since the days of the Velo and upgraded from the Tilt to the Tilt2 and I think I'm sick of Windows Mobile trying to figure out what it wants to be. Since the Tilt they took away the dedicated camera button and the option to use led notifications. I wanted to try another ROM this weekend but I can't Hard-SPL. Won't work for nothing.
As per iPhone vs this thing.
Phone comes is no storage space.
(I need to pick up a 16gig card for $40. iPhone comes with 32gig in this price point.)
The phone starts at 85% and I can't run more than one app.
(I killed TF3d push and the proxy to get back some ram)
I can't hear the other person. The earpiece is totally muffled.
(Will probably need to replace phone.)
Caller shows as "unknown" during call.
HTC notification stops working and I get the WinMo bubble so I have to reset.
Browsers suck. Apps suck. Marketplace sucks and I think installs to device memory only.
Did I miss anything?
I just picked up the AT&T Tilt2 from LetsTalk.com for free and I still feel like I got ripped off.
^
Your an idiot if you think you got ripped off.
I've used WinMo since the days of the Velo and upgraded from the Tilt to the Tilt2 and I think I'm sick of Windows Mobile trying to figure out what it wants to be. Since the Tilt they took away the dedicated camera button and the option to use led notifications. I wanted to try another ROM this weekend but I can't Hard-SPL. Won't work for nothing.
As per iPhone vs this thing.
Phone comes is no storage space.
(I need to pick up a 16gig card for $40. iPhone comes with 32gig in this price point.)
^
You going to be transferring movies or songs with your 32gig iPhone? Only place your going to watch them is on the phone. Look at it another way you now cant have removable storage if you get an iPhone.
The phone starts at 85% and I can't run more than one app.
(I killed TF3d push and the proxy to get back some ram)
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Don't know what you talking about I have more then 50% of my ram left and I am using a stock rom.
I can't hear the other person. The earpiece is totally muffled.
(Will probably need to replace phone.)
^
No problems with this either get an exchange.
Caller shows as "unknown" during call.
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Also not a problem get an exchange.
Browsers suck. Apps suck. Marketplace sucks and I think installs to device memory only.
^
I personally like this browser over the iPhone, the pinch feature is nice but we have a zoom bar. Get at&t in the Chicago land area and you will see how much at&t's net work really sucks.
Did I miss anything?
^
Yes you missed becoming a gay apple follower when you buy your iPhone.
superrrguy said:
I just picked up the AT&T Tilt2 from LetsTalk.com for free and I still feel like I got ripped off.
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So stop whining and turn it in for an iPhone. Would you like us to convince you to keep the TP2?
superrrguy said:
I'm sick of Windows Mobile trying to figure out what it wants to be.
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Well the iPhone will be better for you then, since Apple knows exactly what they want you to do with their phone, whether you like their decisions or not.
But I don't want to be a gay apple follower. I don't own anything Apple and don't want to start buying all new power cords because they likes to rape their customers.
Help me keep this phone. Why won't it work! My Toshiba e800 still works. This phone is driving me nuts!
Have you guys seen how Google Reader works on the iPhone and even Android?
What is the point of these threads? You obviously were destined to hate the TP2 because you think the iPhone does everything perfectly. 85% RAM on bootup? Thats a lie. So are all your other problems. Just return it, get an iPhone, and go away.
FYI this board is anything but friendly.......so is the whole internet......actualy the whole human race is stroking it epeen to much to care about anyone elses issues.
superrrguy said:
I can't hear the other person. The earpiece is totally muffled.
(Will probably need to replace phone.)
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I did exchange my phone in store, ... 2 times. Same thing.
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I wasn't destined to hate this phone.
This is probably the best design on the market right now. Hardware wise this things blows away the iPhone except for the storage. This thing is pretty slick but I'm having problems using the device and you guys are getting all defensive.
I made an educated decision and chose this phone but I'm having a whole bunch of problems which I guess no one else is and this phone just doesn't feel up to the competition. Even Android does more than this thing.
All your complaints have easy solutions for anyone willing to put in even a small amount of effort into searching for and applying tweaks and/or adjustments. If you're not willing to do that then you belong in apple zombieland.
Nothing against the iPhone (I actually own a 32gb iPhone 3GS), it's just some people need to stick to something that works a specific way with little to no need of intelligence to get it working right. Sounds like your there target customer. No offense intended.
nemets said:
I did exchange my phone in store, ... 2 times. Same thing.
Some improvement noted after changing "Treble Level" to "
Very High" in the "HTC Audio Booster" Section of Advanced Configuration Tool v3.3
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Thanks. Trying that.
dude keep the tilt 2, take it from me. I have been using WinMo since the Hermes, had the tilt before this, then I used my upgrade and decided to try out the iPhone. I picked up the iPhone 32 GB 3GS, a case, and a car charger.
After using the iPhone for less than a day, it was very obvious that it needed to be jailbroken in order to have some features that I have become accustomed to. So I jailbroke it, downloaded Cydia (which is the 'underground' app store for jailbroken phones), and tried to make it work. Long story short, I had it for 10 days before I needed to come back to WinMo. Apple has iPhone users by the nuts, and because of that the phone is extremely restrictive. Basic features like changing the background, or being able to have more than 1 (can still only have 2 max) app open. Not to mention Safari does not and will most likely not ever support Flash. There aren't any browsers that do, and there's 1 app that supports a hand full of sites. Not yet break, and other popular ones.
Jailbreaking and apple is like cat and mouse. They release firmware updates regularly and it usually take several weeks (give or take) until somebody creates a jailbreaking app. For those weeks you would be forced to live without your needed apps......unless you hold off on the update. But the thing with holding off is their last few big updates came with features that I've had for YEARS. Example: PICTURE TEXTS!! MMS!! I mean come on, wtf is that?
The battery life was the deciding factor for me. My phone would have 100% charge around 2:00 AM when I would go to bed and by 8:30 AM it was down to 91'ish. Throughout the day the battery would be extremely low and require a charge. To be honest with you the battery life is despicable. That thing needed to be charged more in 1 day than I would get in my tilt all weekend, I kid you not. It's that bad. Even my die hard iPhone friends always ***** about how crappy the battery life is.
I would say hang on to the tilt 2 for a little bit longer. I'm really diggin the Touch FLO 3D interface. I never really ran it on my tilt because it was always a little laggy, but it's smooth like butter right out of the box. I want to hold off flashing ROM's for a while but I know it's only a matter of time. There's a lot of good ones out there, make sure to check them out. If you are having trouble Hard SPL'ing I'm sure if you ask on the forum, it will get answered.
The iPhone was too restrictive for me, and trust me I really tried to like it. I wanted to like it so bad. I was sick of the Tilt. It was laggy, and ever since ROMeOS (monx) left the Kaiser ROM cooking for rhodium I couldn't find a ROM that I really liked. I am looking forward to flashing one of his roms on this phone, but to be honest I'm going to hold off because it's running extremely smooth. I use IE, Opera, and SkyFire. There's a handful of other ones you can try too.
That's my 2 cents
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dude keep the tilt 2, take it from me. I have been using WinMo since the Hermes, had the tilt before this, then I used my upgrade and decided to try out the iPhone. I picked up the iPhone 32 GB 3GS, a case, and a car charger.
After using the iPhone for less than a day, it was very obvious that it needed to be jailbroken in order to have some features that I have become accustomed to. So I jailbroke it, downloaded Cydia (which is the 'underground' app store for jailbroken phones), and tried to make it work. Long story short, I had it for 10 days before I needed to come back to WinMo. Apple has iPhone users by the nuts, and because of that the phone is extremely restrictive. Basic features like changing the background, or being able to have more than 1 (can still only have 2 max) app open. Not to mention Safari does not and will most likely not ever support Flash. There aren't any browsers that do, and there's 1 app that supports a hand full of sites. Not yet break, and other popular ones.
Jailbreaking and apple is like cat and mouse. They release firmware updates regularly and it usually take several weeks (give or take) until somebody creates a jailbreaking app. For those weeks you would be forced to live without your needed apps......unless you hold off on the update. But the thing with holding off is their last few big updates came with features that I've had for YEARS. Example: PICTURE TEXTS!! MMS!! I mean come on, wtf is that?
The battery life was the deciding factor for me. My phone would have 100% charge around 2:00 AM when I would go to bed and by 8:30 AM it was down to 91'ish. Throughout the day the battery would be extremely low and require a charge. To be honest with you the battery life is despicable. That thing needed to be charged more in 1 day than I would get in my tilt all weekend, I kid you not. It's that bad. Even my die hard iPhone friends always ***** about how crappy the battery life is.
I would say hang on to the tilt 2 for a little bit longer. I'm really diggin the Touch FLO 3D interface. I never really ran it on my tilt because it was always a little laggy, but it's smooth like butter right out of the box. I want to hold off flashing ROM's for a while but I know it's only a matter of time. There's a lot of good ones out there, make sure to check them out. If you are having trouble Hard SPL'ing I'm sure if you ask on the forum, it will get answered.
The iPhone was too restrictive for me, and trust me I really tried to like it. I wanted to like it so bad. I was sick of the Tilt. It was laggy, and ever since ROMeOS (monx) left the Kaiser ROM cooking for rhodium I couldn't find a ROM that I really liked. I am looking forward to flashing one of his roms on this phone, but to be honest I'm going to hold off because it's running extremely smooth. I use IE, Opera, and SkyFire. There's a handful of other ones you can try too.
That's my 2 cents
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I have both phones - iPhone 3GS & the Tilt2 (& others). Totally agree with you on the restrictions and the suffocation I feel every time I use the iPhone. But again, it is for a certain market/usage scenario. Nothing against that..
But the battery life is definitely not as bad as you saw. Before iPhone OS 3.0, battery life sucked (I stayed back on a very old 2.x version). To stretch battery, I kept all radios (Wifi, 3G, etc) on manual control and switched them on as necessary. Things are definitely better with 3.0 - all the radios are on Auto now. I dread going to 3.1 or 3.2. I'm staying put for some time now..
I love WM and was waiting for the Tilt2 (My first PPC, touchscreen/keypad device). Google's lack of love for WM saddens me, but hey, there's always another way - thats what makes WM special..
Interestingly, I'm (sorta) having a battery problem with the Tilt2 on Stock ROM. Battery full charge lasts me 1.5 to 1.75 days max. I want to get atleast 2 full days on the fresh/brand new battery. I'm playing with the settings in the Advanced config & Touch Diamond2 apps this weekend to see if I can improve on the battery life. Again, not a biggie as I can always get a second battery with it's own charger. I'm still in the "optimizing" mode. And there is always the path blazed out by our esteemed cooks.. ^hat tip..
superrrguy, WM takes time, but hey you can get what you want.. iPhone (even with the app store or jail break, etc) is what Steve wants for you. Again, not a bad thing. You need to decide whats your thing..
nemets said:
I did exchange my phone in store, ... 2 times. Same thing.
Some improvement noted after changing "Treble Level" to "
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Same here. There's no fix for that on Tilt 2 yet. (only Touch Pro unlocked ver, which doesn't seem to work for Tilt 2). Also the "unknown caller" issue has no fix either yet. The stock browsers are pretty bad too. Using Opera Mini, Skyfire or flashing a new ROM will solve. It takes a little patience working with Tilt2 but is worth it. Still love it
I knew it................
Oh no!!!
I thought that Rhodium section will be saved form iphoney vs....
But no
Why everybody has to compare all
Thread number 54 about comparing iphoney
Do an exchange, then...
Look in this Forum for ideas about tweeking your Tilt 2 to function as you like. Start by getting rid of all the AT&T Crapware - it does kill the memory. I've killed about 60% of it, and now I have 35% available when up and running, which sounds aweful, but this phone does more with that than any WinMo phone I've had since the MPx200! It flies!
All the other issues are either faulty hardware or easily tweeked - look in the forums and you'll find the fix to your issues.
You won't be able to change ANYTHING you like on the iPhone, so don't switch unless it's Nirvana to you, or you are willing to give Apple total control over your phone. Your choice, but either way, please, less winging and more action, many others have made the same helpful suggestions yet you persist in crying over the same issues that you could have fixed yourself by now. If you're a noob, then welcome, but please say so, so we can offer more basic advice.
Either way, good luck, everyone deserves a good phone that they like!
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MadSci said:
Look in this Forum for ideas about tweeking your Tilt 2 to function as you like. Start by getting rid of all the AT&T Crapware - it does kill the memory. I've killed about 60% of it, and now I have 35% available when up and running, which sounds aweful, but this phone does more with that than any WinMo phone I've had since the MPx200! It flies!
All the other issues are either faulty hardware or easily tweeked - look in the forums and you'll find the fix to your issues.
You won't be able to change ANYTHING you like on the iPhone, so don't switch unless it's Nirvana to you, or you are willing to give Apple total control over your phone. Your choice, but either way, please, less winging and more action, many others have made the same helpful suggestions yet you persist in crying over the same issues that you could have fixed yourself by now. If you're a noob, then welcome, but please say so, so we can offer more basic advice.
Either way, good luck, everyone deserves a good phone that they like!
MadSci
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35%? with touch flo 3d?
im using miri's 6.5 manilla 2.1 rom and its 65% when no program is running -____-
I think one of the problems of built-in memory is if the phone needs servicing for some reason and the phone cannot be turned on and you cannot delete the personal data of the phone, then you risk the data will go to the wrong hand.
For TP2, I would simply take out the SD card before I would send the phone to any service centre.
The Tilt2 is a powerhouse workhorse for the business oriented consumer. The iPhone is a toy. Do you want to be associated with all those teens at the local mall carrying around iPhones? I tried out the iPhone. It is definitely fun for the games but I was not able to be productive on it. When I exchanged it for the Tilt2, the AT&T clerk could not understand why I would want to trade in my iPhone for the Tilt2. The Tilt2 is NOT for the average consumer. You have to tweak it to get it to work to your liking.
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35%? with touch flo 3d?
im using miri's 6.5 manilla 2.1 rom and its 65% when no program is running -____-
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He said 35% AVAILABLE. So that means he is at 65% memory usage.
About the earpiece sound quality issue, mine sounds great (out of the box). So I suspect the OP has a defective unit.
Okay guys I know many xda'ers don't hold apple in high regard but my girlfriend is looking to upgrade her blackberry soon. I would just like some opinions of the dinc2 and if anyone has used an ip4 as well and how do they compare? Hows the camera and video capture on dinc2? Also most likely I will be rooting her phone if she gets the dinc2 because she loves miui and wondering how easy it is to root it, Ive read the alpharev thread and I think I have the gist of it. Thanks any thoughts and opinions would be awesome.
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Okay guys I know many xda'ers don't hold apple in high regard but my girlfriend is looking to upgrade her blackberry soon. I would just like some opinions of the dinc2 and if anyone has used an ip4 as well and how do they compare? Hows the camera and video capture on dinc2? Also most likely I will be rooting her phone if she gets the dinc2 because she loves miui and wondering how easy it is to root it, Ive read the alpharev thread and I think I have the gist of it. Thanks any thoughts and opinions would be awesome.
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I have chick friends that love the inc2, and I have chick friends that love the iphone4, depends on what she or U lol plan to do to it, root, jailbreak, ect..or nothing. if she wants basic go apple. if you want great community support go android.
Its not like android would be particularly difficult to get the hang of, hell my grandpa uses a Droid X. The iPhone isn't going to do anything the inc 2 can't, at this point I think people buy apple due to the perceived status.
And rooting is very simple, its not "one-click" easy, but if you're computer literate its easy. Literally takes a couple minutes once you're ready to go.
I do like the design of apple products but the company and its beloved followers I can't stand. In the end it is up to her but she weighs a lot on my opinion and told her I would ask the fine people at xda as well lol! Also I am cashing out 100 dollars to help pay for it too, and since I got a nexus, I'm hoping she pics the dinc2 .
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I do like the design of apple products but the company and its beloved followers I can't stand. In the end it is up to her but she weighs a lot on my opinion and told her I would ask the fine people at xda as well lol! Also I am cashing out 100 dollars to help pay for it too, and since I got a nexus, I'm hoping she pics the dinc2 .
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Put it this way. you can get an iPhone and be stuck with iOS and whatever memory size you happen to choose forever (not to mention feel bitter once the next iPhone comes out).
Or you can get the more recent, more technically advanced DInc2, and be able interchange SD cards and Batteries, and switch HTC Sense, AOSP, or MIUI (which is basically iOS, except better because you can use widgets and everything else that makes Android awesome). In my opinion, if you fall prey to the flashy logos, sleek design and massive marketing and ignore the obvious advantages of the HTC android phones, then you deserve to be pigeon-holed in with the mouth-breathers that stand outside the Apple Store all night waiting for the iPad 3 to come out so it can (not) run flash up to 3X faster!
The only problem is I wouldn't get too excited about rooting the Inc2 off the jump because if you get one now it's likely to come with Gingerbread (unless one has been sitting on a shelf for a bit). If you get one, you better get it quick. Froyo had the only known root method and no telling how long it'll take to crack Gingerbread
That said, even in the situation that I didn't root, I have the Incredible 2 and I'd take it over the iPhone easily. HTC sense is really not a bad UI at all, slower than AOSP of course but of all the manufacturer skins on top of Android, Sense UI is by far the most useful.
The biggest problem with the iPhone 4 (to me) is that it doesn't really multitask and the hardware is starting to get a bit dated. The iPhone 4 isn't "slow" by any means, but most modern Android phones will run circles around it. The Dinc2 has good battery life too, I have to absolutely abuse mine for it not to last a whole day easily
If you do happen to get one with Froyo, AlpharevX is as painless as it gets. S-off and it installs clockworkmod recovery for you if you elect to.
Thanks guys, told her what you guys said and she is like 100 % sure she wants the dinc2 Now I'm excited, I get to play with 2 phones, hopefully she'll get one with froyo. If not I can always install adw or go luancher if she doesn't like sense.
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If she's coming from Blackberry and uses a ton of photo/video out of the phone the iphone may be better for you.
I switched my wife over from an Inc 1 to the iPhone and she's in love with it. The camera is unrivaled to be brutally honest, it smokes any android phones camera and i'd love for my inc2 to have the same quality.
Basically she's not a tech person, she needed easy, something that took good pictures, and battery. The inc2 has great battery but still nowhere near the IP4.
I've owned both, and I would never personally go back to an iPhone, but for my wife it was perfect for her, and she would never give hers up.
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Thanks guys, told her what you guys said and she is like 100 % sure she wants the dinc2 Now I'm excited, I get to play with 2 phones, hopefully she'll get one with froyo. If not I can always install adw or go luancher if she doesn't like sense.
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If you get one with Gingerbread on it, you can still S-OFF using the clip method.
If you're getting it new from Verizon I can't think of why it wouldn't be on froyo, unless HTC is already shipping out new units with gingerbread. Just don't take the OTA if you want root.
yeah she told me that she "didn't want to fall to the hype of iphone" lol. She just wants a bigger screen, and she always carries around a point and shoot where ever she goes so camera i'snt really that big of a deal. Also the Dinc2 is 50 dollars less than the iphone at bestbuy. All in all she goes one week to make up her mind lol!
well, the way I see it is that an iphone 4 is pretty much an ipod touch that you can make calls with. the other advantage, which is the main one i'd say, is that if you have a nice sound system in your car and the deck has an AUX in then absolutely nothing can compare with the output quality of an ipod touch/iphone.
ive tried mp3 players from creative, sansa(even with rockbox), sony, etc... even tried different phones(mytouch 3g, htc hd2, samsung galaxy s, and my current incredible 2). no matter how you adjust the eq's or what apps you use(even poweramp), they still do not compare to apple.
but, if you arent planning on doing that in your car then theres no point in getting an iphone4(especially now that android has Plants vs Zombies).
Best advice when choosing a device:
Go to a store with active devices and play with them. Spend some time with them. If you know people with the devices in mind, ask them if you can play with them and get to know them. Make the choice based on your experience, not the advice of others, because it all comes down to personal preference.
As much as I am a big fan of Android and Android devices, and despite the fact that I will never choose an iOS device, I would recommend a person try it before rejecting it.
My sister tried going from a blackberry to an Android device and found one very big legitimate problem with it. She's on Sprint and doesn't have the iPhone as a choice so she went back to blackberry. She liked Android, but that one glaring flaw was enough to push her away from it (at least for now). Of course, the same flaw exists on the iPhone so she's doomed to be stuck on blackberry (yeah, I hate blackberry).
If you want to know the flaw: She can make calls and do certain tasks without looking at her device. With Android, she was unable to do this. I'm betting with something like a Droid Pro this wouldn't be an issue, and the voice command features Android has acquired more recently would help a little, but it's not where she could get as proficient at it as she is with her blackberry.
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If you want to know the flaw: She can make calls and do certain tasks without looking at her device. With Android, she was unable to do this. I'm betting with something like a Droid Pro this wouldn't be an issue, and the voice command features Android has acquired more recently would help a little, but it's not where she could get as proficient at it as she is with her blackberry.
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Just out of curiosity, what kind of certain tasks? Is it a difference between having physical buttons versus softkeys?
EDIT: NVM.. I think I figured out what you might be referring to. That's an issue I have as well, but voice is a big help in it (even if not 100%).
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Just out of curiosity, what kind of certain tasks? Is it a difference between having physical buttons versus softkeys?
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Something like that. It's mostly a problem with her particular usage. She gets tactile feedback for what she is trying to do and can generally get things done without looking at her device. She's a pretty big multitasker so this is important to her. Unfortunately, this also helps her use her device in the car (I wish she wouldn't TBH).
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Something like that. It's mostly a problem with her particular usage. She gets tactile feedback for what she is trying to do and can generally get things done without looking at her device. She's a pretty big multitasker so this is important to her. Unfortunately, this also helps her use her device in the car (I wish she wouldn't TBH).
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Tactile feel = knowing keyboard layout. I was real good at punching out emails on my 9700 without looking at it for most of the email. Same with the car use, which I definitely no longer do (despite the fact that it is now also illegal here).
Curiosity answered.. Thanks.
I'm an original at&t iPhone guy who switched to Verizon about a year ago when the android finally started making me drool over its superior look, feel and operation.
The fact that its open source and has far better customization, sold me in a heartbeat. I started with a Samsung fascinate and was sorely dissapointed. The phone always had bugs and never ran properly. Even after a much awaited froyo update.
I traded my fascinate on craigslist for my dinc about 4 months ago and was very impressed not only with the lack of bugs and lagginess but also at the development that has occurred. The devs for this phone are freakin awesome!!! Thanks guys!!
Now I see dual core processors and larger screens taking over the android market as well as an upcoming iPhone 5 that, I'm sure will live up to the apple name.
My question is simple. Should I keep my dinc until its done, should I upgrade to a newer android device or should I cross back to the dark side and have apple tell me what's good for me once again? Hmmmmmmm.....
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Nothing is worthy of replacing the inc yet. I look daily. Lol
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I'm an original at&t iPhone guy who switched to Verizon about a year ago when the android finally started making me drool over its superior look, feel and operation.
The fact that its open source and has far better customization, sold me in a heartbeat. I started with a Samsung fascinate and was sorely dissapointed. The phone always had bugs and never ran properly. Even after a much awaited froyo update.
I traded my fascinate on craigslist for my dinc about 4 months ago and was very impressed not only with the lack of bugs and lagginess but also at the development that has occurred. The devs for this phone are freakin awesome!!! Thanks guys!!
Now I see dual core processors and larger screens taking over the android market as well as an upcoming iPhone 5 that, I'm sure will live up to the apple name.
My question is simple. Should I keep my dinc until its done, should I upgrade to a newer android device or should I cross back to the dark side and have apple tell me what's good for me once again? Hmmmmmmm.....
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I'm keeping my Dinc until it's upgrade time (beginning of Jan 2012), and if there is no suitable replacement (for my tastes) then I have no problems sticking with the Dinc. It's a great phone and will still be a great phone in 6 months from now.
As for switching to iPhone, that's a matter of preference. I'm a Mac user that prefers Android over iOS because iOS doesn't have the flexibility and functionality that Android does. I do think that iOS can be prettier and more polished in some ways, but the functionality of an Android phone is worth more than the eye candy of iOS.
I would say the only worthy upgrade seems to be the SGS2(if it has lte) or the Nexus 4G/htc verzion that are rumored for this fall/winter.
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I would say the only worthy upgrade seems to be the SGS2(if it has lte) or the Nexus 4G/htc verzion that are rumored for this fall/winter.
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HTC Nexus on Verizon *drooool*
I did a long hard search and honestly there is nothing better than the DINC right now.
The Droid incredible 2 I still wouldn't take just because of the lack of development.
I'd be surprised if Verizon would allow a stock phone without bloatware all over the damn place.. I'd love if I was wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if it was still a sprint phone. Saw an article about how sprint is now going to be removing bloatware or making it uninstallable. Pretty respectable move IMO, but I can't see Verizon following suit.
actually the nexus 4g lte is rumored to go to At&t with their new 4g lte network not verizons and sprint sort of exagerates "lies" the removal of bloatware because you can only remove 5 or so apps
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HTC Nexus on Verizon *drooool*
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Ill tell ya what, if the next nexus is truely an HTC phone on Verizon, I will definitely get it. Its the best of everything android stands for. Open source vanilla OS and superior hardware. HTC is, by far, my top pick for any android phone!!!! And ics, come on.... What more can u ask for?
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I'm keeping my Dinc until it's upgrade time (beginning of Jan 2012), and if there is no suitable replacement (for my tastes) then I have no problems sticking with the Dinc. It's a great phone and will still be a great phone in 6 months from now.
As for switching to iPhone, that's a matter of preference. I'm a Mac user that prefers Android over iOS because iOS doesn't have the flexibility and functionality that Android does. I do think that iOS can be prettier and more polished in some ways, but the functionality of an Android phone is worth more than the eye candy of iOS.
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That's when I have my upgrade option as well and honestly I'm thinking about switching to Sprint. They have been getting some of the best phones lately. When I look at Verizon's line up and upcoming it seems to be all of the same.
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actually the nexus 4g lte is rumored to go to At&t with their new 4g lte network not verizons and sprint sort of exagerates "lies" the removal of bloatware because you can only remove 5 or so apps
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Hm i didn't see that.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/19/sprints-fared-adib-we-made-a-conscious-decision-to-scale-back/
Man, there STILL isn't anything even being talked about to be released to consider. Disappointing!
The only consolation is that we still have one of the best phones out there.
I have incredible faith (heh heh) in our devs. Seeing as the inc2 has just been rooted and we have the 2 big boys, cm7 and Miui already available for the device, i believe ill be accidentally taking a shower with my Dinc in my pocket in the next few weeks.
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Man, there STILL isn't anything even being talked about to be released to consider. Disappointing!
The only consolation is that we still have one of the best phones out there.
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Im keeping my Incredible until 3/13/13. Then i dont know if my girlfriend gets my upgrade or i do.
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What's next is called the Thunderbolt. It's got a screen bright enough to read, battery life... well, anything has batter battery life than a dInc, absolutely stupid-fast 4G, a stupid-fast CPU that EASILY clocks up to 1.6GHz, and a screen big enough for a keyboard. I lived with the dInc for a long time, longer than any other phone I've ever had. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone can say with a straight face that the original dInc isn't bested yet. There is literally nothing that the dInc does as well, let alone better, than either the Thunderbolt or the dInc2.
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I'd be surprised if Verizon would allow a stock phone without bloatware all over the damn place.. I'd love if I was wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if it was still a sprint phone. Saw an article about how sprint is now going to be removing bloatware or making it uninstallable. Pretty respectable move IMO, but I can't see Verizon following suit.
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Verizon gets a small incentive from the companies of the bloatware, that's why they put them on there. and i don't think verizon will ever get a nexus bone stock android phone, i really don't, here is why. Verizon isn't really out there for the consumer, they are out there for the profit. hence why, i mean at t-mobile and ATT, if you want a new phone, no problem, walk into the store, and get one at the upgrade price....in the middle of your contract.
Verizon hasn't gotten the idea of that just yet. plus like other companies, verizon does have shareholders to report to (and they aren't happy, they think the data plan changes will ruin their investment)
the only reason i have verizon is because that's the only carrier here with decent coverege, and they really aren't as bad as people make them out to be.
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What's next is called the Thunderbolt. It's got a screen bright enough to read, battery life... well, anything has batter battery life than a dInc,
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that's your oppinion.
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absolutely stupid-fast 4G, a stupid-fast CPU that EASILY clocks up to 1.6GHz, and a screen big enough for a keyboard.
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yeah, we can overclock any phone, and switch to landscape mode to type somthing. and 4G isn't nationwide in every single town yet, i want to know people seem to think that. and not everyone wants a big-ass phone in their pockets. i have somtuing called a laptop, and it works just great if i want somthing better than 3.5 inches
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I lived with the dInc for a long time, longer than any other phone I've ever had. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone can say with a straight face that the original dInc isn't bested yet.
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maybe because we have devs who already got it to gingerbread? and with that logic everyone in this country on the roads should be driving brand new 2012 model year cars, right now. people are happy with what they have and they make it better. not everyone has 500+ dollars to spend on a new phone everytime they come out.
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really? there isn't much difference, gingerbread as i said above, is already on various roms for the dinc. the main selling point for the t-bolt right now is that it's a 4g CAPABLE phone. if you are not in a 4g area, you will get 3g coverege. my area won't get 4g until a few years from now. and no, i don't live in "podunk nebraska" i live in a town of about 48,500+ people.
the way you pimp the freaking t-bolt so much... the thunderbolt threads are down there
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that's your oppinion.
yeah, we can overclock any phone, and switch to landscape mode to type somthing. and 4G isn't nationwide in every single town yet, i want to know people seem to think that. and not everyone wants a big-ass phone in their pockets. i have somtuing called a laptop, and it works just great if i want somthing better than 3.5 inches
maybe because we have devs who already got it to gingerbread? and with that logic everyone in this country on the roads should be driving brand new 2012 model year cars, right now. people are happy with what they have and they make it better. not everyone has 500+ dollars to spend on a new phone everytime they come out.
really? there isn't much difference, gingerbread as i said above, is already on various roms for the dinc. the main selling point for the t-bolt right now is that it's a 4g CAPABLE phone. if you are not in a 4g area, you will get 3g coverege. my area won't get 4g until a few years from now. and no, i don't live in "podunk nebraska" i live in a town of about 48,500+ people.
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Guess what? I had a dInc2 to play with for a week and I still have my Tbolt and I'm about to kernel up my old dInc, so yeah, I've got a hell of a lot more clue than pretty much everyone on this thread as to what I'm talking about. My dInc has been running GB for quite a while now. So has my Bolt. The dInc2 did EVERYTHING faster than the original, running bone stock firmware!
I'm not gonna make excuses for the Bolt. The firmware for that phone, and a good number of the leaks have been lousy. But, the more recent leaks have yielded absolutely bullet-proof, flowing-water smooth ROMs. The question was "What's next?". That big plate of glass next to me IS what's next. There is no question about it. It's not opinion. As for 4G, when towns like Fostoria, OH pop up with LTE, I'm thinking very broad coverage on this side of the Mississippi is clearly coming.... well before my contract is up. Hell! Even 3G is faster on the dInc2 and Tbolt, if for no other reason than they have the power to render things quicker. I'm glad people are happy with what they have. The dInc was, and still is, a solid, modern phone more capable than many devices to come after it. Too bad it looks pretty dated in light of Tbolts and dInc2's and several other phones. When I read someone write something like "I keep looking and I don't see anything that measures up to the dInc", I'm wondering how much crack they smoke. You're either insane, on drugs, or oblivious to reality to think that.
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Guess what? I had a dInc2 to play with for a week and I still have my Tbolt and I'm about to kernel up my old dInc, so yeah, I've got a hell of a lot more clue than pretty much everyone on this thread as to what I'm talking about. My dInc has been running GB for quite a while now. So has my Bolt. The dInc2 did EVERYTHING faster than the original, running bone stock firmware!
I'm not gonna make excuses for the Bolt. The firmware for that phone, and a good number of the leaks have been lousy. But, the more recent leaks have yielded absolutely bullet-proof, flowing-water smooth ROMs. The question was "What's next?". That big plate of glass next to me IS what's next. There is no question about it. It's not opinion. As for 4G, when towns like Fostoria, OH pop up with LTE, I'm thinking very broad coverage on this side of the Mississippi is clearly coming.... well before my contract is up. Hell! Even 3G is faster on the dInc2 and Tbolt, if for no other reason than they have the power to render things quicker. I'm glad people are happy with what they have. The dInc was, and still is, a solid, modern phone more capable than many devices to come after it. Too bad it looks pretty dated in light of Tbolts and dInc2's and several other phones. When I read someone write something like "I keep looking and I don't see anything that measures up to the dInc", I'm wondering how much crack they smoke. You're either insane, on drugs, or oblivious to reality to think that.
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Wow man way to be a total ****. I have an incredible and my brother has a Tbolt, I can honestly say I prefer mine over it.
Besides that, although the Tbolt and INC2 *are* upgrades from the INC- for most people they just aren't worth someone's 2-year contract or full retail to get that sort of an upgrade. You've been out of the INC scene for a while it looks like.. and DEV's here are still putting out loads of stuff every day increasing performance/battery life/features -- moreso than INC2 or Thunderbolt since they've been out a shorter time. The INC2 even has issues now where if you buy it and it comes with GB, you can't even root it.
4G is extremely scarce, if you drive out 5 miles from whatever city you're in then you're out of luck as far as 4G goes. 4G is nowhere in my state yet, not even in our capitol (Richmond) and it looks like it'll be at least a year, probably more until we get it. The 3G, at least where I'm at, is fantastically good. I get 320kb/s on a good day and low 200's/kb/s during peak hours. That's enough to stream Colbert report, download movies (I've downloaded 4 so far) and watch netflix without pauses or hiccups.
So.. even if there WAS 4G in my area there really isn't any need that I get it since I don't normally watch HD movies on a ~4" screen or tether it to a datacenter.
Your opinion and mine.. but you don't need to flaunt around your phone while downing the INC (on our own forums) which is a perfectly awesome phone.
(Note: I'm not new to Android. My recent phone history is HTC Touch Pro -> Palm Pre -> HTC Evo -> Samsung Epic -> Another Evo -> Nexus S 4G -> Epic 4G Touch and I generally spend more time modding than using it.)
Overall, I'm in love with Android. What I haven't been in love with is Samsung. IMO, The radios act up more, their release cycle sucks and now with my Epic 4G Touch losing connectivity and forcing me to reboot just to make sure it works has me at a place I've never been before.
So today I sit with another new phone on my desk, this time its an iPhone 4S.
I've used an iPad, The company issued me a MBP, so I'm not anti-Apple, but I've always sort of looked at the iPhone's as just...well....smart phones for dumb people. But like all technology, aren't we all better if we learn as much as we can?
So, if you were in my shoes, would you esn swap onto the iPhone 4S for the time being and wait until the next best Android thing that isn't Samsung, or ride out the storm and pray Samsung actually releases a fix to all there manufacturing problems? Would you trade the ability to tinker for the ability to have something reliable?
I realize I'm asking in a forum dedicated to Android, mostly because I need to be pulled back from the brink.
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You said it yourself its a smartphone for dumb people. Not a bad phone but I would just feel bad about myself using it. I would feel like a fan boy and it seems like your main issue here is LOS. Just use the LOS kernal and you wont have any issues I rarely lose signal using it with starburst.
IMO use the iPhone....it seems like it might be a fit for you based on your post.
However I am losing faith in sprint and their network, I am moving to Verizon ASAP might get the galaxy nexus or the RAZAR becuase at my work I get 20Mb down on LET.....yes 20!!!!....but it averages 15 to 17 down. Get out of sprint is what you need to do.
I wouldn't consider switching smartphone OSes on a temporary basis simply because of the app stores. I can't afford to repurchase all the apps I rely on on a new OS. That means I'd be running it in a limited capacity, avoiding purchasing the apps that would max out the enjoyment of the phone for me, knowing I'd eventually give it up and all the money I spent on it.
I think for some people going iPhone is legitimate and reasonable. It works better for certain personalities or needs. I don't begrudge that. But I've doubled-down on Android, and just like people wouldn't leave iPods because it meant losing all their music, I can't just switch OSes any time I want without thinking about the app investment.
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I wouldn't consider switching smartphone OSes on a temporary basis simply because of the app stores. I can't afford to repurchase all the apps I rely on on a new OS. That means I'd be running it in a limited capacity, avoiding purchasing the apps that would max out the enjoyment of the phone for me, knowing I'd eventually give it up and all the money I spent on it.
I think for some people going iPhone is legitimate and reasonable. It works better for certain personalities or needs. I don't begrudge that. But I've doubled-down on Android, and just like people wouldn't leave iPods because it meant losing all their music, I can't just switch OSes any time I want without thinking about the app investment.
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I would agree, if I didn't already have an Android tablet
Its true what you say about doubling down. Its like owning a Canon camera, all the lenses, and then trying to switch to Nikon.
I understand your fustration with LOS, but there is a way that your phone can reboot automatically when you get a LOS and it will let you know it did so. I use Starburst v1.8 with the LostKernel and I haven't seen a LOS even happen in 4 days where it use to be once a day, but when it does happen my setup takes care of it. Reboots automatically and I don't have to do anything manually - don't miss a beat.
Check out this link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=18728533&postcount=3022
I don't worry about LOS anymore and this phone kicks AS-phalt
We have a crackberry att, iphone 3gs att(now cancelled), epic touch 4g, and xperia play verizon. Love me some tech stuff, including all sorts of phones, no matter who makes them. After having an iphone in the house for 2+yrs, would I get rid of the epic touch, no way. Its funny that my verizon phone will drop calls while the epic keeps on ticking, so much for verizons reliable service here in Houston. If I lose signal on the touch, I have noticed I also lose signal on verizon. I just wish Sprint would get on the ball and improve the speeds to compete with big red. Best of luck in whatever you decide.
wow, another thread on this subject...
you obviously like android, and, claim to spend more time customizing your phone than actually using it; you should have read the tons of posts about how folks are dealing with their LOS.
No one here can make up your mind, except YOU...
I'm It manager for my work. No more Androids for our company. Way too many support calls for them. If someone wants Android, we will configure it once for ActiveSync/exchange and there after they are on their own, we will give them PDFs of common problems and fixes but has time goes on those PDFs will just get out of date. I don't even want BlackBerry anymore. Since everyone wants an IPhone and the cost is the same, that's our company phone. We get very little support calls about them. We will replace a broken iPhone once and the next time it is the employee's problem to replace it or will take the cost of the new one from their paycheck over a few checks.
What do I use...E4GT, I have a company issued iPhone I use to test company apps on but it generally sits in a drawer. My number is a Google Voice number so it does not matter which phone I grab during the day.
I've also owned many Android phones and I made the switch from the Epic Touch to the iPhone 4s. I'm not gonna lie, I do miss the tinkering, however, when the jailbreak is released for this phone, I think I'll be all good then.
Unlike the epic touch I have not had any issues with the iPhone at all. Everything works flawlessly from the start.
In addition, like previous poster posted above me... We also have Android devices for our work phones and almost everyday people are having issues with them. They switched us over from Blackberry's because we're starting to use google for everything.... Google docs, gmail, etc.
Furthermore I honestly don't think that the iPhone is for people who are dumb to android and/ or tinkering. I for one don't like the upgrade process for android devices. And if I'm stuck in a contract for two years with a phone, i want it to be supported for those two years. you get an iPhone you can expect it to still get updates... Look at the iPhone 3GS. When you get an android device there's no way you know for sure of your phone is going to get the next update.... Look at the epic 4g. And I know devs can put out leaked roms, but I'm talking about official updates.
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You said it yourself its a smartphone for dumb people. Not a bad phone but I would just feel bad about myself using it. I would feel like a fan boy and it seems like your main issue here is LOS. Just use the LOS kernal and you wont have any issues I rarely lose signal using it with starburst.
IMO use the iPhone....it seems like it might be a fit for you based on your post.
However I am losing faith in sprint and their network, I am moving to Verizon ASAP might get the galaxy nexus or the RAZAR becuase at my work I get 20Mb down on LET.....yes 20!!!!....but it averages 15 to 17 down. Get out of sprint is what you need to do.
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Sprint is supposed to get LTE advanced by 2013. Theoretical 1 gbs when you are stationary and 100 mbs when moving. In the real word it won't be as fast, but damn.
Sprint to roll out LTE-Advanced network by mid-2013. http://m.bgr.com/2011/10/26/sprint-to-roll-out-lte-advanced-network-by-mid-2013/
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Have you tried the stock pulled kernel? I've used that and now using the Stock pulled with CWM5 and No LOS on either. Any other kernel I use that is put together from the source though will get me LoS within hours.
Same topic..different title. Smfh
I have the iPhone side by side with my E4GT since yesterday. My goal was to configure it as close as I could to being useful to see what I would and wouldn't miss. Here's my non-fanboi list of things Android does that I can't live without:
Turn by Turn SatNav - Google does it better and the alternatives are laughable.
Google Integration - The up and down integration with contacts and other information on Google has become indispensable to me.
Icon Manipulation - I can live without a lot of the customization, but its hilarious that Apple forces you to an "always sorted, top-left to bottom-right" icon grid. Sometimes a brother just wants to have some icons above his dock.
To be fair, these are some things I noticed I could see myself liking about the iPhone:
Notification dropdown is a little more involved. Good to see Apple isn't hypocritical about stealing interface design anymore
iOS apps are first-class citizens. Almost every app that you can get on both devices is significantly more polished on iOS. For shame, developers.
Holy crap the camera is FAST
Interestingly, Google Maps looks nicer on the iPhone.
So in comparison, I like the iPhone because it feels a little more refined, but I like Android because OF Google.
I am going to reformat my E4GT again to the latest Starburst (am on 1.4 and ZedoMax) and see if I get any better performance.
Thanks everyone!
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Same topic..different title. Smfh
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And yet 90% of the comments are rational and on-topic. I appreciate all the feedback that's contributed.
I got my first iphone unlocked with tmobile. I wanna get an epic with boost but I need some feed back. I was never big on iphones but the respone onapps and scrolling is realy good. hows the response on the epic? any problems or complaints about this phone? let me know
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I got my first iphone unlocked with tmobile. I wanna get an epic with boost but I need some feed back. I was never big on iphones but the respone onapps and scrolling is realy good. hows the response on the epic? any problems or complaints about this phone? let me know
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These are 2 very different phones, it all depends on whether you prefer iOS or Android, then it'd be easy to pick which phone. Another thing being on the Epic forums, you can expect to get biased responses leaning towards the Epic (what do you expect, its the phone we all most likely use and love).
With that said, to answer your question the response is pretty smooth, I rarely get lag (but I won't deny that it does occur every now and then). Opening tons of apps and having them all active usually causes this, but if you take things slow and only use 2-3 apps at a time, everything will run smoothly. The phone is great, very smooth, great battery life, signal doesn't break, data is slow (Sprint is to blame for this, I think the same can be said about Boost). I personally love this phone and don't plan on moving onto something else for a long while to come, it is definitely something I can stick with for the next year+.
I agree with TPizzle. It is really more about which software you prefer. I think if you just want a phone that works and you don't want to tinker with it the iPhone is great. But if you like getting the most out of the os and enjoy getting down and dirty with your phone Android is the way to go. I have both phones. iPhone for work and Epic for personal. I wouldn't carry an iPhone for personal use. I find it boring and unexciting. I love Android as an OS and wouldn't have anything else.
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crawrj, you are back, that is great. Haven't seen you around for a while.
Sorry to OP for the distraction.
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crawrj, you are back, that is great. Haven't seen you around for a while.
Sorry to OP for the distraction.
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Thanks man. I should have a computer tomorrow and will start getting back into the groove. BTW you are doing awesome work! Keep it up.
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These are 2 very different phones, it all depends on whether you prefer iOS or Android, then it'd be easy to pick which phone. Another thing being on the Epic forums, you can expect to get biased responses leaning towards the Epic (what do you expect, its the phone we all most likely use and love).
With that said, to answer your question the response is pretty smooth, I rarely get lag (but I won't deny that it does occur every now and then). Opening tons of apps and having them all active usually causes this, but if you take things slow and only use 2-3 apps at a time, everything will run smoothly. The phone is great, very smooth, great battery life, signal doesn't break, data is slow (Sprint is to blame for this, I think the same can be said about Boost). I personally love this phone and don't plan on moving onto something else for a long while to come, it is definitely something I can stick with for the next year+.
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I always wanted the epic since it came out. Some one gave me an I phone so i switched from boost to tmobile pre paid. The internet is 4 g for a certain amount of gs then it drops to 2 g. Thats Y i wanna switch back to boost.I had a htc touch pro 2 on boost and I loved it. Then it broke and I got stuck with a ****ty juno phone... But I gotta admit ,a jailbroken Iphone with cydia can really be modded with alot of stuff , How slow is the internet on Sprint? I heard Boost is 4 g now, but I also heard in august there gonna stop pic messages is this true?
Cydia seems like a saving grace on the iPhone because you have absolutely no options without it but if you look at cydia in comparison to Android it pales in comparison...what you achieve with cydia on an iPhone you can achieve with an app on Android.
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