I just read these articles:
http://www.wpcentral.com/wp7-missing-features-around-world
AND this
http://wmpoweruser.com/the-art-of-stalling/
notice how pathetic the coverage is, unless of course you live in America.
Also, i think anybody and everyone can attest that these are TRUE FACTS.
iOS has nearly WORLDWIDE coverage! Android too with their other services like maps! Read and analyze the chart well. I'm not a WP7 hater, as my present device is an HTC Trophy, and i'm still lovin it to bits. I ditched iPhone nearly 2 years ago for Android, which I also left last year because of fragmentation. This is certainly an eyeopener for me. Sorry, just had to pour my heart out coz after reading them and knowing it's true and valid just really hurt. Just my opinion, don't kill me.
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I'm not too happy about it either, but there's no need to post it in every single thread...
Hopefully the mild success and popularity of WP7 so far will encourage MS to get a move on and sort out the international discrepancies shown here...
Doubtful, Zune has been in a lot of those areas for years.
I would love to get the Zune pass in australia
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Doubtful, Zune has been in a lot of those areas for years.
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Which areas are they? Zune, the hardware has been US exclusive for as long as I can remember. Zune, the services has also been US exclusive up until perhaps a year or two ago when they started, veeeeery slowly, rolling out Zune movie rentals, followed by movie purchases. Zune, as in music is pretty much new to the entire world apart from the US.
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where exactly?
A quick Google solves a lot. Zune services are US only?
all the listed sevices are basically just subsets of Zune so its not really a big deal. iPhone and Android do not have anything similar to the Zune Pass so not being available worldwide should not be a deal breaker when choosing WP7. The only thing that matters is the App marketplace which is available in all those countries listed.
And if MS could then they would make Zune pass international but licensing issues prevent that.
If you want the real deal you certainly need a US account, but that's the case with iTunes store even. Saying that WP7 sucks because Zune Pass isn't available everywhere is weird because other platforms don't have anything similar even in the US.
That being said, there are worse issues - Bing Maps are next to useless in many parts of the world, you can't access Marketplace from most countries (although this was the case with Android as well until last year), and even smart linking is disabled everywhere except the US, which is utterly weird.
yep, smart linking i think is part of the software and should be available regardless of where you are in the world. This is basic. Also, the unavailability of the marketplace, Bing maps being nearly useless, etc are making people jump ship. I have a couple of friends who made the switch to both iOS and Android because of the marketplace being unavailable despite WP7, particularly the HTC Mozart, being officially available on a local carrier and endorsed by the local MS in our country. Hoping they fix these ASAP.
Well, selling devices officially in countries where Marketplace isn't supported is outright irresponsible. This is what Google had been doing, I know, but that's a different approach to the product from what Microsoft is preaching.
i agree with a lot said here, but in terms of zune music/movies/pass, they're region based because MS needs to work specifically with the local media labels/companies in each country. the reason you don't have a music store in Australia is because MS haven't sorted out a deal with the labelling companies here, where they have in the US. Though in saying this, they should of been trying for the last year to get all the countries established so when WP came along, they could offer it.
all the listed sevices are basically just subsets of Zune so its not really a big deal.
As a Canadian owner of a WP7 phone, I understand why ZunePass is not allowed in Canada yet (DAMMIT CRTC)...however, music purchase, podcasts, bing maps / bing search (local), youtube embeddings in browser, address/smart text recognition, etc. are SIMPLY UNEXCUSABLE!
What a stupid argument. This has nothing to do with handset or OS manufacturers and all to do with media copyright holders.
Android available in same areas?
Sorry, how did you test this? Android marketplace in Singapore sucks. Paid apps are not available.
Don't get me started on movies or music availability on itunes (or any other method really). some music is available, but very limited, and no movies or TV at all (through any marketplace)
This has nothing to do with the software provider, but more on the corporate media providers who do not provide a way to get streaming or online media availability outside of the US (and to some extent Europe.)
Its the same for online books. Only available in US and Europe. Nothing to do with the tools and readers, just the copyright holders restricting access.
I love reviews and interpretations by short sighted Android / iphone lovers who don't even research properly before posting this crud.
At least the Android market is available, and so with maps. Where i live, there isnt any one of those WP7 services, not one. Even on bing maps, it only shows 4 roads and thats it. Although the phone is officially offered by a local carrier WITH a MS edorsement.
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you should add: "...where I live" - don't make generalizations. Its not globally available for paid apps. Its country specific.
It bites that the international rights are still being worked out - I'm sure MS would be more than happy to offer all services worldwide if they could. Thankfully it's not terribly difficult to spoof a US location on a PC, WP7 device, and Live account to gain access to a Zune Pass outside the US. Movies and videos are a different story, unfortunately.
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you should add: "...where I live" - don't make generalizations. Its not globally available for paid apps. Its country specific.
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Don't be a ****, you know fine well what he meant.
So, you don't have access to paid apps on the Android marketplace, boohoo. Listen, users of Windows Phone 7, in several of the launch countries do not have access to the marketplace at all. No free apps, no nothing.
Sure this can be compared to other platforms which took months or years to roll out a local marketplace, but those other platforms came with a full OS out of the box. The WP7 OS requires certain apps to do certain things - take youtube for example, you click on a youtube video in WP7 it'll download the player from the marketplace - even basics like this do not work in some of the launch countries.
As for the comments about it all being because of "copyright holders" and whatnot, that is complete hogwash. The Xbox Live service (for WP7) is unavailable in many launch countries, yet those same countries have XBL for consoles and have had it for years. The same can be said about Zune and more specifically Zune movie-rentals/purchases, available thru the Xbox but not on the phone. Local search, Voice-search, smartlinks and so on - non-existant.
Basically, if you buy a WP7 device in some official launch countries (listed in the MS press release, with local launch parties) you get a smartphone that performs as a featurephone because none, at all, of the value-add services are available. Local Microsoft subsidiaries then go out and say "oh, that's not a problem; just register a new Live account with a US or UK address and you'll get it all". Not only does this go against the Zune EULA, but it also means any apps/games you purchase, achievements you unlock, gamerscore you tally up etc will never be available on your "main" Live ID, often an ID you have had for years and years. Then, all of a sudden, the local services roll out and you change the ID used on your phone - guess what, you have to re-purchase all the content you have already paid for, and don't even try to say "No, they'll do something about that" - believe me, they wont, they haven't for the Xbox and the XBL marketplace and it has been an issue for many people for years already.
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Then, all of a sudden, the local services roll out and you change the ID used on your phone - guess what, you have to re-purchase all the content you have already paid for, and don't even try to say "No, they'll do something about that" - believe me, they wont, they haven't for the Xbox and the XBL marketplace and it has been an issue for many people for years already.
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While I think that launching the OS in countries without giving users access to Marketplace is outrageous, I would add two comments.
First, there's never ever a reason why you would want anything other than a US account if you can. You will always get more for less with it. This will always be true about media because of copyright and all that nonsense, but not only that.
Second, I know you can't count on that, but there are precedents when Microsoft allowed to transfer purchases when changing country. Recently they launched XBL in Russia and there's an official instruction on how to transfer US accounts into Russian ones while retaining all info, points etc, warning that there would be no way back. So they know that people fake US addresses on a large scale, turn a blind eye on it, and sometimes even help people to legalize their statuses when they finally expand overdue support to markets worldwide. This won't work for Zune though, but then purchases from Zune are DRM free, aren't they?
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It's basically what you can expect... looks quite similar to the Zune Marketplace, yet has it's "Phone" differences.
Read more & watch the video here:
http://www.liveside.net/mobility/archive/2010/06/22/windows-phone-7-marketplace-in-action.aspx
I like how it seems to be tied to the Zune/Box account-system, so it's basically shared content between the two platforms, if it'll be relevant (Mostly thinking games here, as Zune isn't available in Europe *grr*).
It's a long business orientated talk, but I think it it's worth a watch for anyone who's interested in making money on their applications.
The part about we get five free applications on the market per year is also pretty good solution to counter criticism against not being able to distribute applications outside the Windows Phone Marketplace.
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I like how it seems to be tied to the Zune/Box account-system, so it's basically shared content between the two platforms, if it'll be relevant (Mostly thinking games here, as Zune isn't available in Europe *grr*).
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Zune will be available in Europe and many other parts of the world before WP7 launches. I expect Zune to go worldwide in September.
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Zune will be available in Europe and many other parts of the world before WP7 launches. I expect Zune to go worldwide in September.
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Got a source?
But it sounds damn nice. I'm already in love with the Zune Desktop Player, and wouldn't mind paying for access to their media-collection, specially because current alternatives in Denmark quite terrible.
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Got a source?
But it sounds damn nice. I'm already in love with the Zune Desktop Player, and wouldn't mind paying for access to their media-collection, specially because current alternatives in Denmark quite terrible.
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I know Loke mentioned it in that session. It's been mentioned in lots of places though. Although it's important to note that movie/music subscription/purchase details and availability will vary by country because of the copyright restrictions and various laws in various countries.
I am getting sick of all this complaining. This is a vital time when MS needs support. We need to be more like Apple users in supporting our company. The apathetic nature of MS users makes me sick. Sometimes I feel like I am the only MS user who actively goes out and spreads good word about MS. User of MS products just go along happily using it but never actually spread the word like Apple fans do. That's why Apple is so succesful and MS is not in the mobile sector. The only time they come out of the woodwork is to complain.
See the whole windows home server and drive extender saga. Where were these people when Apple was bashing MS left and right? Nowhere. Now that they remove DE, they are screaming murder saying MS had the best product they've ever owned. Well perhaps you should have spread the word then.
So this thread is so say WE SUPPORT YOU, MS! You have a done a great job. Who else is with me?
Gas up the bus and round up the cheerleaders. We are going cross country!
I love WP7 but I am yet to support them by buying a handset. I suspect that will change soon.
I love my WP7! Especially after using that I one and the A one I can't wait to see what they do with it in the future
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If product good, support good, sales after services good.
The customer's will come, because the they are not stupid.
I own HD7 and I see it doesn't have many thing that made it to be a good phone (just "phone") right now.
MS need to be pull many feature quickly but as we see.. 5 month ago we have nothing, but bugs are still with us.
(ex. I can't use mic when I use headphone, so every time somebody call me in, I must to be pull out the headphones jack before received the call, It's not funny.)
Customer will choose the best thing for them so, M$ must to be more a good boy.
I like M$ but I not sure to support them in the feature again,
because I didn't got the money for free.
tanneji said:
I love my WP7! Especially after using that I one and the A one I can't wait to see what they do with it in the future
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Haha, I couldn't help but notice you posted this from a Captivate. I own one as well and I had bought a WP7 device last week to switch back and forth as I please because I want to support MS in the mobile community, but WP7 does nothing for me. The Netflix streaming was about it, but once that hits android then it wont matter. WP7 is smooth and rarely lags, but I feel so restricted when I use it and I have my Captivate sitting next to me. I don't know if you have got into flashing custom roms for the Captivate, but if you haven't flash Andromeda 1.2. Easily competes with the fastest of phones on the market today and everything works perfectly. But now that I'm done with my sales pitch, if MS brings an improvement to WP7 then I will be trying it out as soon as I can, but what me and my brother liked about Windows phones in the past is that they were virtually limitless to the tweaks you could make. Granted not as fast or smooth, no matter what facade is on top, but if you wanted to do something then most likely you could. WP7 just feels crippled, that's just my opinion though.
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though WP7 currently lack some features that we are used to using (copy/paste, multi-tasking etc.)im loving my WP7 powered HD7.
another thing that i love (and it makes me excited too) are the upcoming updates. come to think of it, MS will be bringing us C&P in a few weeks. and after a few months itll bring us Multi tasking in which the other platforms took a long time for them to deliver. its just that, MS should pull something extra ordinary that will differentiate their platform against the others. im sure ms is already conceptualizing things that will separate wp7 amongs the rest.
Good work with the camera feature, the Metro UI, social network integration and HUBS!
i love WP7
loving chix & vixens as well...
What about the landscape keyboard? Is there ever going to be a fix to take up the whole screen width? I'm sure going from an iPhone or something with a smaller screen its fine, but I'm use to the beautiful SAMOLED screen on the Captivate having a full width keyboard. In portrait mode its on par with the Captivates portrait keyboard, but I simply can't type on the landscape one. Maybe I should have got the Quantum...
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I'd be more inclined to be supportive of Microsoft if they made it clear that they actually were trying hard to support their users, not their carrier-partners.
FishFaceMcGee said:
I'd be more inclined to be supportive of Microsoft if they made it clear that they actually were trying hard to support their users, not their carrier-partners.
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Allowing us to uninstall the bloatware crap without Modding the phone all to pieces is a pretty big sign that they support the users and not the carrier. Its the first phone I've seen it allow such a thing.
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I love WP7 too........
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I appreciate that your intentions were good though
I've always been the first to support Microsoft but they really do need to start showing their consumers some love.
i have been MS supporter for a long time and with WP7 microsoft has done it, this OS works without softreset, do not have few things right now but i know it will be having all those options soon...
i got my HD7 end oct and i am glad i got it.... i love the cloud, love the UI, love the speed, smoothness, simplcity, integration with facebook.....
i was wondering how it will be like when i lose sync with outlook, but it did not come up after i moved my contacts to my windows live account.
guys, WP7 is a good OS and if you dont like it there are other options, the only thing i dont get it is ppl *****ing about WP7 when they knew what they will be getting and they bought it and now all the *****ing..
I support Microsoft
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I support Microsoft
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+1 I support Microsoft
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But there are a lot of Microsoft haters out there.
another reason i love ms and wp7 (this is too much exciting)
IE9 coming to WP7 (later this year )
To the OP, just want to let you know something.Firstly,you say we have to be like Apple supporter and support M$.I can tell you that most Iphone users are not Apple fanboy.this is due to the product problem.
we are complaining is because the product is not good.IMO, M$ is on the wrong direction now,they have to plan and develop WP7 better,better....still a long way to go.what I see now is WP7 is just like SYMBIAN,full of bugs,but it just equipped with a better presentation.
I'm feeling pretty pity now,let's think about the updates and what we are waiting??mango and NO-DO,the feature these updates bring to us,is just some necessary and basic function and not mind-blowing.
I'm kind of tired of frequent lag and crash on marketplace,excessive noise in picture,slow app loading on my mozart.
what I said here is on a non-M$ fanboy stand point.
I will support MS back, but only when:
- They will deliver their updates,
- They will stop their unacceptable US-centric services, and provide decent services also to European customers. Which means they fix Bing Maps which is a shame,
- They will remove most of their silly WP7 restrictions and limitations,
- They will give all the APIs to the third party developers (GPS, compass, camera, etc.),
- They finally listen to their customers.
At the moment they are not fully commited to the satisfaction of their clients... Sorry.
And God knows how loyal we are....
if you have to ask...
people to support a multi billion dollar company, the company is doing something wrong.
don't blame apple or google or rim for this one. nothing to do with them at all.
I would imagine if ms actually released a full fledged update that brought it up to featureset, this thread wouldn't be needed. also, naming your first update after your competitions is just lame. nodo ? really, that's just sad.
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To the OP, just want to let you know something.Firstly,you say we have to be like Apple supporter and support M$.I can tell you that most Iphone users are not Apple fanboy.this is due to the product problem.
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Erm remember when iPhone first came out without MMS, multitasking, copypaste, etc. The Apple supporters were backing Apple by saying that they didn't need multitasking, that copy paste on mobile devices was useless and why use MMS when we have emails.
That's the kind of support I am talking about. MS users on the other hand just complain and complain.
Seen this today in a magazine for an electronic retailer here which is supposed to be the equivalant of a FutureShop or Best Buy back home. It's called eXtra.
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Complete utter BULL****. Fine, I'll give them some of those "Xs" but the App Store thing, along with not having a single X on Android, having it's solution through third party to everything. It's like they just grabbed WP7 and rammed it from behind. All these lies, and XBox integration, like what, going to xbox.com?!
http://www.extrastores.com/EnglishPages/MonthlyFlyers.aspx
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That just looks like someone has listed all of Android's features and compared two platforms to it and ignored the benefits of the other two systems. A terrible piece of advertising and in no way is it objective.
To be honest, feature-wise Android has everything. so it's a good place to start for comparison isn't it?
I think it shows how much WP7 has to do to catch up!
Think, with most of the features of android and the metro UI, WP7 could be king
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That just looks like someone has listed all of Android's features and compared two platforms to it and ignored the benefits of the other two systems. A terrible piece of advertising and in no way is it objective.
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Silverlight, Microsoft Exchange support, and Xbox Live integration are there for objectivity. The embarrassing point is having an X next to silverlight for WP7.
Hey, it will get there. Rome was not built in a day. Then critics will have to make up other excuses.
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Seen this today in a magazine for an electronic retailer here which is supposed to be the equivalant of a FutureShop or Best Buy back home. It's called eXtra.
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Which country is this?
Some have laws to prevent this false advertising (i.e. the UK)
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Xbox live shouldn't really be a feature highly praised of WP7, because its on all platforms. The only difference on WP7 is the point system, and the ability to change avatar clothes. That's it. Everything else can be done on any other platform.
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Anyway.. This's REAL.
Can't blame that, so M$ should hurry up.
The thing that this stupid biased chart doesn't show is that.
Office, Facebook, XBox, and Media Syncing are much better than on the damn Android.
And that 1,000applications in the store. Where did they BS that number from?
Why didn't they put, Processor, Camera Megapixels, Camera Flash, Screen type, DLNA, Removable Battery, Home Server integration, or anything else. Hell, they put Folders?! I mean come on! They should put Live Tiles and Hubs. This is completely biased up the...
The bad part is, Microsoft really needs to get through to these people, waiting on Nokia to help pick it up in this region is a bad idea.
I wish they'll print another one of these when the next update comes up. You'll see everything built-in, and all others having "Third Party." But that won't happen.
Concerning advertising practices. You can do whatever you want here, as log as it's not governmental. It's Saudi Arabia. They mislabel products, they price things wrong without printing a retraction, just total BS in the consumer advertising field.
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The thing that this stupid biased chart doesn't show is that.
Office, Facebook, XBox, and Media Syncing are much better than on the damn Android.
And that 1,000applications in the store. Where did they BS that number from?
Why didn't they put, Processor, Camera Megapixels, Camera Flash, Screen type, DLNA, Removable Battery, Home Server integration, or anything else. Hell, they put Folders?! I mean come on! They should put Live Tiles and Hubs. This is completely biased up the...
The bad part is, Microsoft really needs to get through to these people, waiting on Nokia to help pick it up in this region is a bad idea.
I wish they'll print another one of these when the next update comes up. You'll see everything built-in, and all others having "Third Party." But that won't happen.
Concerning advertising practices. You can do whatever you want here, as log as it's not governmental. It's Saudi Arabia. They mislabel products, they price things wrong without printing a retraction, just total BS in the consumer advertising field.
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In case you didn't notice, this is all software stuff, so of course they wouldn't put screen type and all that crap.
Everything they put is 100% accurate, not really sure what you're so upset about.
It's no secret that WP7 is missing features, just give it time, they will implement them.
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In case you didn't notice, this is all software stuff, so of course they wouldn't put screen type and all that crap.
Everything they put is 100% accurate, not really sure what you're so upset about.
It's no secret that WP7 is missing features, just give it time, they will implement them.
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Yeah right. That's why that have (third party) for iOS twitter but not for WP7. Biased as hell.
Its like comparing Obama (android) to Bush (Microsoft) , Obama farts and the liberals claim he's a genius , they do the same thing for Android! Thats alright , name one company who owns the android kernal thats making the kind of money Microsoft makes , everyone has Android (except not the same Android) , thats where WP7 and IOS outshine the rest!
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The thing that this stupid biased chart doesn't show is that.
Office, Facebook, XBox, and Media Syncing are much better than on the damn Android.
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Yeah, but to the charts unbiased credit, they did list MS Office and XBL as two of the features of comparison, which could also be construed as biased towards MS.
Food for thought.
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Yeah right. That's why that have (third party) for iOS twitter but not for WP7. Biased as hell.
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Judging from the 1000 apps they listed for WP7, I'm certain this chart is old. At the time however, 100% accurate.
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Its like comparing Obama (android) to Bush (Microsoft) , Obama farts and the liberals claim he's a genius , they do the same thing for Android! Thats alright , name one company who owns the android kernal thats making the kind of money Microsoft makes , everyone has Android (except not the same Android) , thats where WP7 and IOS outshine the rest!
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that example actually works against you since Obama is doing everything Bush did except a lot more (which Android does do everything WP7 does plus more).
It took the same time of idiotic zealot mentality to support Bush's terrible policy of inflating our currency, ruining our economy, and his unconstitutional military operations as it does to support Obama inflating our economy beyond belief, driving our economy down faster than ever, and sending more troops than Bush did to invade foreign nations unconstitutionally. Either way Android (obama in your metaphor) "does" more than Bush (WP7)
If you blindly support either you're a fool, just like blindingly claiming that either Android, iOS, or WP7 are the ne plus ultra as far as mobile operating systems are concerned. The informed and reasonable mind will opine more sanely.
The fact is that Android and iOS have more features and do more than WP7. There is no orchestrated effort by the media or retailers to vilify WP7, this is the result of the OS being brand new. It is growing pains, don't worry about it that will change.
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Judging from the 1000 apps they listed for WP7, I'm certain this chart is old. At the time however, 100% accurate.
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Just because the chart is old doesn't make it right. It's like me going around claiming iPhone doesn't have copy paste or Macs mouse have only one button.
Xbox Live on any other plattform misses the main features. Gamerscore and crossplattform games like Full House Poker (and next week fable coin golf and more to come). So Xbox Live on Android and iPhone is useless for any xbox player.
Of course the biggest point -> Lag in interface not present. This comparision is total crap.
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Just because the chart is old doesn't make it right. It's like me going around claiming iPhone doesn't have copy paste or Macs mouse have only one button.
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At the time. It didn't such feature.
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Xbox Live on any other plattform misses the main features. Gamerscore and crossplattform games like Full House Poker (and next week fable coin golf and more to come). So Xbox Live on Android and iPhone is useless for any xbox player.
Of course the biggest point -> Lag in interface not present. This comparision is total crap.
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Cross platform, are you joking? If you call transferring scores cross platform from phone to console, that's sad. That's really sad, you can't even play live friends on the phone.
Who has lag?
What's the point of gamerscore? I only have 1050, and I've had a account for years. It doesn't do anything, I can't purchase stuff with the points, I don't understand them.
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that example actually works against you since Obama is doing everything Bush did except a lot more (which Android does do everything WP7 does plus more).
It took the same time of idiotic zealot mentality to support Bush's terrible policy of inflating our currency, ruining our economy, and his unconstitutional military operations as it does to support Obama inflating our economy beyond belief, driving our economy down faster than ever, and sending more troops than Bush did to invade foreign nations unconstitutionally. Either way Android (obama in your metaphor) "does" more than Bush (WP7)
If you blindly support either you're a fool, just like blindingly claiming that either Android, iOS, or WP7 are the ne plus ultra as far as mobile operating systems are concerned. The informed and reasonable mind will opine more sanely.
The fact is that Android and iOS have more features and do more than WP7. There is no orchestrated effort by the media or retailers to vilify WP7, this is the result of the OS being brand new. It is growing pains, don't worry about it that will change.
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Yeah I think that Obama is just the African-American remix of Bush. Watch the documentary Inside Job for the real scoop.
Anyways, WP7 is just pure awesomeness. No app support yet like the iPhone but I'm loving its direct use. I also like Android quite a bit too.
WP7 is growing especially with the new Nokia agreement.
I am seriously worrying about how Microsoft are expecting to sell WP7 phones here in the Netherlands given that nobody seems to know they exist! All the time I see commercials on iPhone, Androids like Galaxy and so on, via TV, billboards, email. But Windows Phone 7? Not a sound. Not a glimpse. Is this silence before the Mango storm? How is this in other countries?
Pretty much the same. But I remember one billboard for WP7 next to quite frequent highway, it was there for nearly a month, back in January or December I think. I converted few people to WP7 already, but it is tough one ("so where is the internet sharing? Wifi would be the best." "there is no official way." "$#[email protected]!")
jpijper said:
I am seriously worrying about how Microsoft are expecting to sell WP7 phones here in the Netherlands given that nobody seems to know they exist! All the time I see commercials on iPhone, Androids like Galaxy and so on, via TV, billboards, email. But Windows Phone 7? Not a sound. Not a glimpse. Is this silence before the Mango storm? How is this in other countries?
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Me and a friend have one, other than that have never seen one in Holland either. But it mainly has to do with no official support in Holland yet, no marketplace, buggy locale settings, buggy push on TMobile, no dutch language. Mango will bring these and than we might expect to see more, certainly because nokia will probably release ads.
wp7
Microsoft is well aware that good and fast OS design and not finished functionality is not enough for them to ring all the advertising bells, because right now (with NoDo), iOS an Android would kill them with all-round possibilities. Mango - that's more like it. I have tried B2 and found out that it has almost everything that was left out in current OS.
They hit London pretty hard with advertising at launch. Must have bought up a good portion of Tube advertising for weeks. Been quiet this year though. A little bit of WP7 advertising about, but I think Microsoft have decided to cut their losses until Mango. There's not exactly anything new to sell right now, and the public clearly weren't interested in what they were offering last year.
In Italy no one knows it exists. When I show it to someone, they go either:
1) ah, it's an iphone, right ?
- I walk away
2) an, nice, it's the galaxy uh... what's the name ?
- nope, it's an omnia 7, the new windows phone from microsoft
- errr... what ?
- Windows Phone. Microsoft. See this logo ?
- errr... uhm ... so it's a galaxy s ?
- NO IT'S AN OMNIA 7. But it has Windows Phone system in it. You know, an operating system ?
- ah uhm... yes. And it's not an iphone ?
- I walk away
Fairly unknown in Norway as well, hopefully that changes with the official release over here when the new Mango phones hit.
Unknown in india as well
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Really really unknown at Netherlands Antilles (Curacao).
/sad
I think thet they're awaiting the Mango launch (escpecially since that's what Swedens Microsoft reps says, but thats mainly because it wont launch officially here until then).
Otherwise I love when conversations goes like this:
"Oh, your phone is pretty fluid, what launcher are you using?"
"No, no. This is a Windows Phone 7. Unlike Android it works as it should right out of the box and it's almost impossible to get an Android phone this fast."
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pretty much unknown in Singapore as well...
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In Italy no one knows it exists. When I show it to someone, they go either:
1) ah, it's an iphone, right ?
- I walk away
2) an, nice, it's the galaxy uh... what's the name ?
- nope, it's an omnia 7, the new windows phone from microsoft
- errr... what ?
- Windows Phone. Microsoft. See this logo ?
- errr... uhm ... so it's a galaxy s ?
- NO IT'S AN OMNIA 7. But it has Windows Phone system in it. You know, an operating system ?
- ah uhm... yes. And it's not an iphone ?
- I walk away
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Lolz, similar situation here. In Malaysia.
Another experience,
I walk in to a HTC booth hosted by authorized reseller in PC Expo, the representative approach me when I'm looking at 7 Mozart, then he ask me,
"Sir, looking for a handset?"
"No, I already owned one of this" (pointing to the Mozart)
"Why sir didn't try android? It can do pretty much everything can be done in WINDOWS" (WINDOWS is the exact word he use while pointing the Mozart)
"I don't think so"
"I don't believe, what kind of task that WINDOWS can done while android can't, android got lots of apps, office, blah blah blah..." (in the meantime taking his HTC Sensation / HTC Desire, I didn't really paid attention to his phone)
"It is hard to tell you, just let me show you" (Take my mozart out which preloaded with Mango 7661 and showing him the integration of FB and Windows Live plus the threading which integrate FB chat and MSN)
"Android can pretty much do the same if you download apps from market..." (I halt his speech)
"But I prefer to do these tasks seamlessly and without all those apps hussle"
Then he is somehow provoked by me and I walked away while going to see the pretty showgirl which handling the HTC Flyer.
No marketing here in Denmark either but when you think about it, we're not really supposed to have it anyway.
It was really hard to track down a WP7 phone here in Denmark around November.
I had three choices:
A Omnia 7 with 3 - Not a possiblity since i have Telia with my work, they were also sold out.
A Throphy i had to wait a month for (even though it was released at that time)
A HD7 US import. (Really expensive)
Ended up with my Trophy! Glad i didn't go for Android.
i think i live in the singularity, where 6 of my friends have it, too (switzerland)
but for others, i tell them it's not an iphone the 20iest time..
Thanks for all the responses, people! I don't feel quite so alone any more
Jan Roelof
andycted said:
In Italy no one knows it exists. When I show it to someone, they go either:
1) ah, it's an iphone, right ?
- I walk away
2) an, nice, it's the galaxy uh... what's the name ?
- nope, it's an omnia 7, the new windows phone from microsoft
- errr... what ?
- Windows Phone. Microsoft. See this logo ?
- errr... uhm ... so it's a galaxy s ?
- NO IT'S AN OMNIA 7. But it has Windows Phone system in it. You know, an operating system ?
- ah uhm... yes. And it's not an iphone ?
- I walk away
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Haha, so funny
They do that exactly on me too; so annoying, lrn2wp7. Eh wp7, whats that, an android?
fiinix said:
Haha, so funny
They do that exactly on me too; so annoying, lrn2wp7. Eh wp7, whats that, an android?
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That wouldn't be half bad, if people said 'android', as it would probably mean they have already made a step forward and aren't stuck in 2007 hehe
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i think i live in the singularity, where 6 of my friends have it, too (switzerland)
but for others, i tell them it's not an iphone the 20iest time..
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people in Switzerland know how to buy quality
They may want to coordinate with Nokia for a big push with the new Nokia phones. Nokia had a huge retail presence in Europe the last time I was there. I think the advertising dollars would be best saved for Mango + Nokia in every shop.
Here in Taiwan (home of HTC), WP7 devices are very visible; pretty much every medium to large phone retailer that stocks HTC phones has one or more Windows Phones.
However, those on display collect dust while consumers play with the Iphones and Android handsets. The reason is obvious; no one here speaks english, so with no current option for Chinese display or input there's no way the average Taiwanese consumer will even be able to operate the device, let alone think about buying it.
No Chinese combined with zero support for Bing maps, Bing local search and no Taiwanese app store makes me question why they even bothered launching here.
How Windows Phone 8 ‘Apollo’ Would Stack Up Against iOS 5, Android 4?
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/02/windows-phone-8-leak
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It'll be a full on war for sure. The Marketplace will explode overnight as devs can target Win8 and WP8 without too much work on their end. This will nullify the 'app count' argument when comparing platforms. Instead we can focus on the overall experience with using the platform when comparing iOS and Android.
Personally I like the approach Microsoft has been taking with their products lately, it'll be fun to see them integrate the experience deeper and share it across their products.
Great time to be a tech fan!
I agree. This is the first time i've felt proud to support Microsoft since Gates left.
Everything is shaping up nicely.. The one ecosystem idea is brilliant. PC, Phone, Entertainment (next gen xbox), and tablets.
Remention:
One Eco-System that Microsoft is trying to show people.
Windows PC - Windows Phone - XBOX - Windows Tablet - Zune (possible Microsoft Music now)
i think if they make not more customizations possible for the customers apollo will be in the dark with 1-2% marketshare like wp7. another point is that the features are good but what is the killer argument to use windows apollo? windows is fast, modern and so on but it isnt worlds better im comparison with other handyos.
samsabri said:
1)It'll be a full on war for sure.
2)The Marketplace will explode overnight as devs can target Win8 and WP8 without too much work on their end.
3)This will nullify the 'app count' argument when comparing platforms.
4)Instead we can focus on the overall experience with using the platform when comparing iOS and Android.
5)Great time to be a tech fan!
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1) the war has been over for a little while, trenches filled in, grass is growing, birds chirping....
2) there's reason to believe this could happen, I would imagine with current market share assumptions developers will focus completely on the desktop apps.
3) there are a lot of "ifs" here still. Will 8 be another vista ? How hard will m$ have to push to get people out of windows7 ? Will anyone care "there's a phone too!" ?
4) Right now, today, this should be advertised like crazy. Not leaks, not 12 second clips from a presentation, full on, corporate themed, blackberry-attention-grabbing, no-fuzzy-gates-and-seinfeld-bs, advertising. Every day they aren't spending $500,000 on marketing is a waste.
5) its been here for a few years, tell m$, wake them up !
ohgood said:
1) the war has been over for a little while, trenches filled in, grass is growing, birds chirping....
2) there's reason to believe this could happen, I would imagine with current market share assumptions developers will focus completely on the desktop apps.
3) there are a lot of "ifs" here still. Will 8 be another vista ? How hard will m$ have to push to get people out of windows7 ? Will anyone care "there's a phone too!" ?
4) Right now, today, this should be advertised like crazy. Not leaks, not 12 second clips from a presentation, full on, corporate themed, blackberry-attention-grabbing, no-fuzzy-gates-and-seinfeld-bs, advertising. Every day they aren't spending $500,000 on marketing is a waste.
5) its been here for a few years, tell m$, wake them up !
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I was so excited by Samsabri's post, but yours was a reality-pill. It is true that Windows 8 should be advertised like crazy.
i think everyone is getting a head of themselves here...
apollo is not going to solve any of the problems with the current wp7 platform's popularity. none of the features listed are really anything the average consumer looks at when buying a new device. wp7's current major downfall, is the developers themselves. the apps are just plain crap. a developer just tosses and app together to a semi-functional state, then puts it on the market. look at the basic apps that work great on ALL platforms except wp7. twitter, facebook, angry birds, spotify, pandora, these are the most popular apps on mobile devices. twitter, doesn't work. facebook, doesn't work. angrybids works, but you don't get seasons, rio, etc. spotify, doesn't work. pandora, non-existent.
the updates with apollo are not going to fix any of these problems. will they make your wp7 experience better? overall, yes. but again, it's not going to provide users with the basic app foundation that users are looking for.
oh, and where in the apollo update is a maps update? great... something else that's really holding wp7 down will not get fixed. we will just need to purchase windows 8, and pay $2+ per app in the marketplace for apps that don't really work that well.
You do realize that we don't know much at all about what Apollo will bring, right?
svtfmook said:
i think everyone is getting a head of themselves here...
apollo is not going to solve any of the problems with the current wp7 platform's popularity. none of the features listed are really anything the average consumer looks at when buying a new device. wp7's current major downfall, is the developers themselves. the apps are just plain crap. a developer just tosses and app together to a semi-functional state, then puts it on the market. look at the basic apps that work great on ALL platforms except wp7. twitter, facebook, angry birds, spotify, pandora, these are the most popular apps on mobile devices. twitter, doesn't work. facebook, doesn't work. angrybids works, but you don't get seasons, rio, etc. spotify, doesn't work. pandora, non-existent.
the updates with apollo are not going to fix any of these problems. will they make your wp7 experience better? overall, yes. but again, it's not going to provide users with the basic app foundation that users are looking for.
oh, and where in the apollo update is a maps update? great... something else that's really holding wp7 down will not get fixed. we will just need to purchase windows 8, and pay $2+ per app in the marketplace for apps that don't really work that well.
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That is very well said.
It's about the quality of the experience, not things like supporting resolutions.
I mean yes, that's a handicap, but they're still miles behind. The win8 tablet released in October?? Didn't the iPad come out in 2009? I love this platform, but they're so late to the party, it's like they're arriving the next morning when everyone's already long gone.
One day tech people will realize the truth: Tech does not sell Tech.
That is why the iPhone consistently outsells the best selling Android phone in all its highly customizable, multicore, lte, bells and whistles glory. Working well beats bells and whistles anyday.
All WP7 needs is to open more APIs, get more apps, and OEMs push out more phones and they are in the race.
appolo will stacks up really well, right behind ios5 and a mile behind android 4. wp8 might get the market blooming steadily. the bad news is, apollo will be mile behind ios6 and year from the next android.
svtfmook said:
i think everyone is getting a head of themselves here...
apollo is not going to solve any of the problems with the current wp7 platform's popularity. none of the features listed are really anything the average consumer looks at when buying a new device. wp7's current major downfall, is the developers themselves. the apps are just plain crap. a developer just tosses and app together to a semi-functional state, then puts it on the market. look at the basic apps that work great on ALL platforms except wp7. twitter, facebook, angry birds, spotify, pandora, these are the most popular apps on mobile devices. twitter, doesn't work. facebook, doesn't work. angrybids works, but you don't get seasons, rio, etc. spotify, doesn't work. pandora, non-existent.
the updates with apollo are not going to fix any of these problems. will they make your wp7 experience better? overall, yes. but again, it's not going to provide users with the basic app foundation that users are looking for.
oh, and where in the apollo update is a maps update? great... something else that's really holding wp7 down will not get fixed. we will just need to purchase windows 8, and pay $2+ per app in the marketplace for apps that don't really work that well.
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I was thinking the same way, when the developers from the big company don't really care about the apps for Windows Phone, (even XDA, don't blame me, just look at the Premium Apps, it hasn't been updated forever) .
Just because the marketshare of Windows Phone isn't big, and hey, Developers are people trying to make money too , right? And They sell apps, and of course, they want to sell their best product at the crowd .
Unless Microsoft can turn this around first, and now with Nokia, i hope we can have something better, when people now actually put Windows Phone in their list of choice. (Windows Mobile was completely ignored) .
So no matter what, i am gonna stick with Windows Phone for now.
svtfmook said:
i think everyone is getting a head of themselves here...
apollo is not going to solve any of the problems with the current wp7 platform's popularity. none of the features listed are really anything the average consumer looks at when buying a new device. wp7's current major downfall, is the developers themselves. the apps are just plain crap. a developer just tosses and app together to a semi-functional state, then puts it on the market. look at the basic apps that work great on ALL platforms except wp7. twitter, facebook, angry birds, spotify, pandora, these are the most popular apps on mobile devices. twitter, doesn't work. facebook, doesn't work. angrybids works, but you don't get seasons, rio, etc. spotify, doesn't work. pandora, non-existent.
the updates with apollo are not going to fix any of these problems. will they make your wp7 experience better? overall, yes. but again, it's not going to provide users with the basic app foundation that users are looking for.
oh, and where in the apollo update is a maps update? great... something else that's really holding wp7 down will not get fixed. we will just need to purchase windows 8, and pay $2+ per app in the marketplace for apps that don't really work that well.
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you don't think this post is getting ahead either?
akachay said:
appolo will stacks up really well, right behind ios5 and a mile behind android 4. wp8 might get the market blooming steadily. the bad news is, apollo will be mile behind ios6 and year from the next android.
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winmo was on par with current android iterations. Android is an always outdated unfunny joke.
I can't wait. I'm holding off buying some rubbish Android phone until the Apollo phones come out.
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Just can't wait for Apollo and hoping beta comes in June/July like Mango... OMG
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the developers themselves. the apps are just plain crap. a developer just tosses and app together to a semi-functional state, then puts it on the market.
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That describes Android perfectly.
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akachay said:
appolo will stacks up really well, right behind ios5 and a mile behind android 4. wp8 might get the market blooming steadily. the bad news is, apollo will be mile behind ios6 and year from the next android.
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So Gingerbread is miles ahead of Froyo, and ICS is miles ahead of Gingergread? I bet even most Android people would say no.
iOS 5 I may be inclined to give you as being far ahead of 4.3 because of the camera from lock, notification bar, pseudo-widgets, and it brought Siri. But look how many borrowed ideas that had.
Windows Phone will be miles behind Android in sales, phone offering, specs, and apps.
Windows Phone will be miles behind iOS in sales and apps.
Android will be miles behind iOS in sales per device.
What this tells me is if the Lumia series could land in the US with a big carrier at the right time in its development cycle (Apollo) it will be the second most popular phone after the iPhone. More popular than a Galaxy S phone. Honestly, Android has alot of issues. Apple suits. Oracle suits.
nicksti said:
What this tells me is if the Lumia series could land in the US with a big carrier at the right time in its development cycle (Apollo) it will be the second most popular phone after the iPhone. More popular than a Galaxy S phone. Honestly, Android has alot of issues. Apple suits. Oracle suits.
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you honestly think consumers care that apple, google, and microsoft are suing each other when they, the consumer, goes to buy a phone ? do sales numbers reflect your belief in proportion to lawsuit wins/losses or some other metric ?
please, before you delusion yourself any further, do this:
conduct a post-sales survey of people walking out of bestbuy (or your favorite retailer) with the following three questions.
1) did you base your purchase on current lawyers' success, or the shiny screen ?
2) would you please name the last three court decisions which re-affirmed you were purchasing the right shiny device today ?
3) who one the superbowl, and which phone did you buy ?
i can guarantee you if you sample 100 random (as random as bestbuy customers walking out of the store on a sunny day are anyway) customers, they will not be able to answer questions number one and two. Number 3 will be a two part answer, so it will reallllllly trip of some folks, and likely take a few minutes. bring your lunch !
while there was some humor involved, hopefully you will see the grounding of the questions in reality and how the majority of people not only do not know the answers, but do not care.
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also-
you mentioned that the lumia may/could land the second place in sales behind the iphone. if you really believe this, you don't need to conduct the survey above. just whistle louder and the voices will go away.