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[Q] Games HD on DEFY

Hey, this is my first post in this forum. I´m spanish and my english is very poor but i will try it xD
Well, my answer is how run the latest game like avatar HD, lets golf 2 HD, assassins creed, aphalt 5, nee for speed shift, nova... etc in motorola defy.
I´m thinking of get one in chrismast, but I dont know yet if it has GPU dedicated, because in some pages sais that the defy has omap 3630 (with gpu) and in others sais that has the 3630 (whitout...).
Thanks for the answers and forgive if i´ve said some mistake!

I believe the current consensus is that it's using an OMAP3610 with the OMAP3630's PowerVR GPU.
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Absolutely yes, GPU is present and those games run flawless.
I will not fall into the 3610 vs 3630 discussion again but what i can tell you is that all the games mentioned (except avatar <- i don't know) go smooth, there's no lag at all, and graphics are amazing.
Also note for each of this games there are several versions which are slighty different (actually optimizations for specific devices), be careful to take the proper version.

xdaid said:
Absolutely yes, GPU is present and those games run flawless.
I will not fall into the 3610 vs 3630 discussion again but what i can tell you is that all the games mentioned (except avatar <- i don't know) go smooth, there's no lag at all, and graphics are amazing.
Also note for each of this games there are several versions which are slighty different (actually optimizations for specific devices), be careful to take the proper version.
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Thank you, i dont know nothing about a 3610 vs 3630 discussion, sorry. So defy has GPU is true?
What good news for me hehehe and for example psx4droid run so good that nexus or desire?
Do you know that with froyo we will can take 720p videos?
Sorry for so many questions but in other foros, and pages i dont find much information about this phone.
Thanks

xdaid said:
Absolutely yes, GPU is present and those games run flawless.
I will not fall into the 3610 vs 3630 discussion again but what i can tell you is that all the games mentioned (except avatar <- i don't know) go smooth, there's no lag at all, and graphics are amazing.
Also note for each of this games there are several versions which are slighty different (actually optimizations for specific devices), be careful to take the proper version.
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Hello. Well two days ago, i sent a question to motorola asking if the defy has or not a GPU. And this was his answer in spanish:
"Gracias por ponerse en contacto con Motorola.
Le enviamos un link donde podrá encontrar más especificaciones técnica sobre le Motorola Defy y le confirmamos que el Defy tiene procesador TI OMAP 3610 y no tiene GPU.
gsmarena.com/motorola_defy-3514.php
In english, they say that defy has not GPU... So i dont understand how can run this latest games, the processor is better that the processor of nexus or desire although the defy´s run at 800 Mhz???
With froyo we will can record video at 720p or we would need a better proce?
Thank you and sorry for the double-post

aikidoka90 said:
Hello. Well two days ago, i sent a question to motorola asking if the defy has or not a GPU. And this was his answer in spanish:
"Gracias por ponerse en contacto con Motorola.
Le enviamos un link donde podrá encontrar más especificaciones técnica sobre le Motorola Defy y le confirmamos que el Defy tiene procesador TI OMAP 3610 y no tiene GPU.
gsmarena.com/motorola_defy-3514.php
In english, they say that defy has not GPU... So i dont understand how can run this latest games, the processor is better that the processor of nexus or desire although the defy´s run at 800 Mhz???
With froyo we will can record video at 720p or we would need a better proce?
Thank you and sorry for the double-post
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It sounds like a joke... Motorola sent to you a link to gsmarena instead of a link to their own specs page? This is absolutely unreliable.
However, this is the link you're looking for:
http://community.developer.motorola...elopment-resources-available/td-p/7794/page/3
As you can see they confirmed defy has a PowerVR SGX 530 renderer (GPU).
About 720p video recording:
Eclair or Froyo does not matter, it depends by defy's hardware, omap3630 can do it while omap3610 can't.
So, Motorola say 3610 + GPU (check out the link above) but all the "system info" apps tell us there's a 3630 inside.

If you still have doubts take a look here:
http://developer.motorola.com/products/defy/

xdaid said:
It sounds like a joke... Motorola sent to you a link to gsmarena instead of a link to their own specs page? This is absolutely unreliable.
However, this is the link you're looking for:
community.developer.motorola.com/t5/Android-App-Development-for/ANN-DEFY-development-resources-available/td-p/7794/page/3
As you can see they confirmed defy has a PowerVR SGX 530 renderer (GPU).
About 720p video recording:
Eclair or Froyo does not matter, it depends by defy's hardware, omap3630 can do it while omap3610 can't.
So, Motorola say 3610 + GPU (check out the link above) but all the "system info" apps tell us there's a 3630 inside.
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Its not a joke, is true. This is what they answer me :S
I know like you, is very extrange that motorola sends me a link to gsmarena...
OK, in the last link you post it I believe that it has GPU, I hadn´t seen where sais OPEN GL Renderer.
Thanks for the info.
PD: The person motorola that answer my question is complete idiot so...

You're welcome.
In my opinion (just an opinion, nothing sure) should be omap3610 + GPU, not 3630, so you'll have no trouble with games but probably there's no 720p rec available.
You can try asking to Motorola again but be sure to get the answer from another person

xdaid said:
You're welcome.
In my opinion (just an opinion, nothing sure) should be omap3610 + GPU, not 3630, so you'll have no trouble with games but probably there's no 720p rec available.
You can try asking to Motorola again but be sure to get the answer from another person
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I think that with an update we will can record video at 720p, because, for example, with te moto xt08:
developer.motorola.com/products/xt806/
with ti omap3430, that run at 600 Mhz, record video in 720p :S

If you would like to see just how well the defy runs games, search youtube for a video demoing the captivate vs defy vs desire in terms of 3D performance.
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nidlaX said:
If you would like to see just how well the defy runs games, search youtube for a video demoing the captivate vs defy vs desire in terms of 3D performance.
Sent from my MB525 using XDA App
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I have seen a video of neocore, with galaxy and desire, all with eclair, and galaxy gets 55 fps, defy 44 and desire 28 (or that is what i remember).
In the games, i know that defy will be able to run all of them
thanks.
PD: Have any of you proved de livewallpapers? They run all at full?
I´ve seen some of the galaxy S and are precious. And with my htc hero i can have them, they run very bad because is and old mobile now...

All livewallpapers run flawlessly

kendael said:
All livewallpapers run flawlessly
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Only there are postive anwser to all my questions xD
What do you say that is the worst thing of this mobile?
For me is the support of motorola, because this phone should get froyo running in his circuits... But I dont see anymore disadvantage.

Honestly, it's Moto's software implementation and the lack of a super LCD screen that hurts this phone. At the price I paid, I couldn't complain much more.

nidlaX said:
Honestly, it's Moto's software implementation and the lack of a super LCD screen that hurts this phone. At the price I paid, I couldn't complain much more.
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But put it out motoblur is very easy i think...
And of super lcd... is true, for the price of Defy we can´t require more... and the normal LCD is better for the use with sun light...

I play Dungeon Hunter on my Defy and it runs just as fast as my wife's Vibrant. It run's just fine. Good framerate.

bready said:
I play Dungeon Hunter on my Defy and it runs just as fast as my wife's Vibrant. It run's just fine. Good framerate.
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Thanks for the new...
According to benchmarks, the defy is very powerful... have you prove another game of gameloft HD?

hi,
do you know if the gpu has the hardware acceleration flash player ?
thanks

@aikidoka90
Do not worry about gameloft games, all of them run really smooth on defy.
@gaetanolip
If i'm not wrong there's no specific hardware acceleration for flash. Once motorola has delivered the update (froyo) we'll have full flash support (software) on our phone.

Defy = OMAP 3630

After installing RSD Lite. I could see S Flash OMAP3630 after I plugin the defy via usb while the phone is on bootloader (Power+VolUp)
Does it mean the the defy has a OMAP3630 and not a 3610?

Yes, a lot of people says "that is an error!! DONT CARE!"
A loot of people says, no, other says yes, and motorola don't care about it...
But in my opinion have a 3630 ( not sure ).

I think thats what the driver say it is...

The only way to find out will be to install a 3610 driver specifically and try if PC recognizes this. Doesnt it make sense?

why motorola make a 3630 driver for a 3610 CPu?
no logic...

tomeu0000 said:
why motorola make a 3630 driver for a 3610 CPu?
no logic...
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its an unified driver for the hole range of 36xx cpu's.
and in the other thread its come to the point it's a 3615 cpu with 3D but without 720p encoding/decoding ...

inteks said:
its an unified driver for the hole range of 36xx cpu's.
and in the other thread its come to the point it's a 3615 cpu with 3D but without 720p encoding/decoding ...
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i know this thread (i contributed some posts myself) but when its a 3615 w 3d and w/o hd en/decoding, how come that it plays 720p content in mp4/h.264 like a charm?
source: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Motorola-DEFY-Review_id2578/page/3
i think, we can't be shure until it the defy gets shred to pieces by ifixit or some other daredevil
PUSH!!!

derbestimmer said:
i know this thread (i contributed some posts myself) but when its a 3615 w 3d and w/o hd en/decoding, how come that it plays 720p content in mp4/h.264 like a charm?
source: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Motorola-DEFY-Review_id2578/page/3
i think, we can't be shure until it the defy gets shred to pieces by ifixit or some other daredevil
PUSH!!!
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Yes it's possible, but if the bit rate goes up 4mb/s, you can't play it.. why?
easy, the band width isn't sufficient, and phone overloads.
I thing a bitrate of 30000kbps it's ok, nothing more....
PD: srry for my bad english

the processor of defy is a Texas Instruments OMAP3630 because it included a POWERVR SGX graphics 530. POWERVR is recognized by Quadrant.
focus.ti.com/lit/ml/swpt024b/swpt024b.pdf
wwwimgtec.com/factsheets/powervr/POWERVR_SGX_Series5_IP_Core_Family.pdf

inteks said:
its an unified driver for the hole range of 36xx cpu's.
and in the other thread its come to the point it's a 3615 cpu with 3D but without 720p encoding/decoding ...
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That's physically impossible!
Only 3630/3622 come with the package required for POP (stacked memory chip). If it is 361x, where is the memory chip? It's very hard to miss shuch a huge chip.

eykxas said:
the processor of defy is a Texas Instruments OMAP3630 because it included a POWERVR SGX graphics 530. POWERVR is recognized by Quadrant.
focus.ti.com/lit/ml/swpt024b/swpt024b.pdf
wwwimgtec.com/factsheets/powervr/POWERVR_SGX_Series5_IP_Core_Family.pdf
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No, that's an outdated presentation. In the latest (Nov. 2010) Technical Reference Manual, ALL 36xx variants have identical full speed GPUs.

So where can we find the Windows 7 drivers for this so I can get RSDLite working?
At the moment getting a msg indicating drivers are not installed??
Edit: used winxp machine. S/W issue at my end.

hi, i want do something on AM3703, it's same with omap 3630? thanks in advance!

I hope so ,but ,I don't believe it has the opma3630.may be there is an error on the software.If defy's cpu is 3630,it can be more attracktive!so,why moto didn't tell us it's cpu is 3630?

Believe what u want...it works...and it works great
Thats all that matters
When the Defy+ comes out, just benchmark it...surely a 3610 + kyro will be slightly less powerful than a 3630

周矛顺啊 said:
I hope so ,but ,I don't believe it has the opma3630.may be there is an error on the software.If defy's cpu is 3630,it can be more attracktive!so,why moto didn't tell us it's cpu is 3630?
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Same reason they used when they said it didn't have ANY Graphic Chip and the same one when they said the phone only had a 2 point Multitouch Screen.

I believe they limited the device softwarewise in order to strategise the launch of its successor Defy+ .

Why just not compare performance with phones for which we know they have 3630 for sure and then we will know

Zephyrot said:
Same reason they used when they said it didn't have ANY Graphic Chip and the same one when they said the phone only had a 2 point Multitouch Screen.
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Sounds like either moto has a plan and lied, or their spokes person havent a clue.
I vote for the latter...

i think defy's cpu is 3630.so defy+ update cpu to 3630 is a joke.

[Q] Utilize Droid2 CPU Driver for Defy?

Okay, i have some questions...
1- If the cpu on the defy is the same on Droid 2 ( omap 3630 with VR530GPU ) if you see the Drivers on Droid 2 and put in to Defy, the device will start truth?
i mean, to know finally what cpu type use our phone.
If the Droid 2 drivers don't work, That means it is not the same processor right?
It may be that the driver of motorola droid defy and 2 are identical? there is any way to confirm that?
Thanks for the posible answers.
PD: srry my bad english

I think it's different from a PC. There is no seperate CPU, it's a system on a chip, no?
Parts of it can be disabled, and the Defy seems to have the HD movie part disabled. Maybe you could unlock this if it's actually working, like with graphics cards.

nisamtetreb said:
I think it's different from a PC. There is no seperate CPU, it's a system on a chip, no?
Parts of it can be disabled, and the Defy seems to have the HD movie part disabled. Maybe you could unlock this if it's actually working, like with graphics cards.
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Of course, it's sistem on a chip.
But if Defy have a Cortex A8 ( omap 3630-SGX530 ) it's the same as Droid 2 right?
I think, the Defy have the same SOC as Droid2, my friend have one too, and benches, reproduces video like the Defy.

O2 Germany lists the Defy+ as an option inside its AppStore

Inside the AppStore of O2 Germany the Defy+ is already listet as an option to select the buyers device.
Can not include link because I'm new here. Maybe later on.

http://mobilefun.o2online.de/fw/han...ttp://mobileapps.o2online.de/web/?&vendorId=5
Defy +

#android: Motorola Defy+ Could be Headed to AT&T http://bit.ly/qu3xmW

It will be interesting to see how much motorola charge for this slightly overclocked version.

Lets hope it comes with an unlocked bootloader, and that a dev can port it to the original defy.

"This is my next" also has an article on the Defy+:
http://thisismynext.com/2011/07/21/motorola-defy-mildly-upgraded-defy-heading-att/
From the article:
Specs are pretty similar to the Defy (and AT&T’s Bravo) across the board, though the Defy+ is set to ship with Android 2.3.3 and replaces the 800MHz TI OMAP 3610 chip with a 1GHz OMAP 3620, featuring PowerVR plus a couple hundred bonus megahertz. Storage, RAM, camera, and display specs all look essentially the same.
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I thought the defy didn't really have the 3610.

defy has 3630..driver cant be wrong..moto ppl misled us i guess..

arpith.fbi said:
defy has 3630..driver cant be wrong..moto ppl misled us i guess..
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We don't need to care too much about that. 3630 or 3610, it's not important. We can do everything that the Milestones 2 can do, so we're happy with our defy, it's cheap and powerful

Does all games work without lag in Defy

I need a new mobile.I have considered Desire and Defy.The only difference between this two is the processor.Defy has 800MHz Cortex-A8 processor and the desire has 1 GHz Scorpion processor.Which is the best between these two.I need it mainly for gaming.So i need all the latest games to work without any lag.Does heavy games run on Defy without any lag?
Sorry for my Bad English

Not an expert in games here... but i can tell you Cortex from TI is much better in terms of performances. I'd go for Defy even if the Qualcomm cpu inside Desire clocks 200mhz more...
EDIT: also consider the PowerVR 530 graphic chip inside the Defy, it's not bad for gaming. AFAIK you can run any game with no problems provided that you download the powerVR version of the game (i mean, forget those Tegra2 or Xperia Play dedicated games)

For processor of defy, tout can overclock it to 1.2 ghz. for tegra games, download chain fire 3d from market. You have to be rooted to do both.
Got a Headache? It's all in your Head.

xdaid said:
Not an expert in games here... but i can tell you Cortex from TI is much better in terms of performances. I'd go for Defy even if the Qualcomm cpu inside Desire clocks 200mhz more...
EDIT: also consider the PowerVR 530 graphic chip inside the Defy, it's not bad for gaming. AFAIK you can run any game with no problems provided that you download the powerVR version of the game (i mean, forget those Tegra2 or Xperia Play dedicated games)
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How does one distinguish between powerVR and Tegra2 versions of games in the Android Market?

Izak80 said:
How does one distinguish between powerVR and Tegra2 versions of games in the Android Market?
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Oh don't worry for that, the Android Market (at least the "desktop version") will tell you whether a game is compatible with your device or not. In the mobile version should be even easier since the game won't appear at all.

xdaid said:
Oh don't worry for that, the Android Market (at least the "desktop version") will tell you whether a game is compatible with your device or not. In the mobile version should be even easier since the game won't appear at all.
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Ok, then i dont have to think about it, good. Thanks for the info. By the way, bought a wonderful little game today called "They need to be fed", what a fun and addiciting game it turned out to be.