Suggested thread from the one over iPhone because we were getting off topic. What are going to be the advantages of WP7 over Android that will keep everyone from switching to Google's open platform?
Integration with Microsoft's services.
I use them a lot and I like them, but they're not enough to keep me on WM. They will, unfortunately, also not be enough to make me get WP7. At least not until all of WP7's restrictions are lifted and I can find equivalents for all the apps I have on my phone now.
Other than that, unfortunately, there is nothing that WP7 does better than Android, from what I can see. I prefer Android's UI (tiles are just widgets, but widgets are better) and of course I prefer it's openness, customizability and the unlimited possibilities.
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If you want notes and tasks, yes. But there are apps for that. Everything else is there.
But people are not buying operating systems, they are buying phones. They don't ask "what OS does this phone run". They ask "what can this phone do".
If they need Exchange, they will get a phone with Exchange.
Not on all devices. Not well on all devices.
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Right. But I'll repeat myself:
People are not buying operating systems, they are buying phones. They don't ask "what OS does this phone run". They ask "what can this phone do".
If they need multitouch, they will buy a phone with multitouch.
Yes, we geeks ask "what OS does this phone run". But not normal people. We geeks can talk about fragmentation. Normal people will never think about that, they'll just ask "can this phone do what I want?".
Fragmentation is a non-issue. And it's not only bad. Android running on more phones means more customers, means more people buying apps, means more developers, means more apps, means more customers..................
1. Only high-end devices, which means apps won't be made for the least common denominator.
2. Native full multiple account Exchange support.
3. Built-in Office stuff, with Sharepoint (wow!)
4. MS-supplied drivers, made together with chip manufacturer, no crappy stuff from HTC or whoever.
5. Integration of web services (including third-party ones) in a meaningful way - contacts go to contacts, pictures to device picture library, without doing everything in a separate app - this way even I'll be using Facebook.
6. Real OTA updates, for all devices, because of a truly uniform platform.
7. Awesome UI, not a bland iPhone/WM third party launcher rip-off, both in terms of looks (subjective) and in terms of functionality (OS level widgets with rich APIs allowing to update text, graphics and animation). Hubs are an awesome idea too. Lots of text, easy to read/see what you need to tap. Everything I ever dreamed of in a UI actually.
8. Dev tools making creating awesome UI consistent with overall OS very easy.
9. Absolutely best video codec support out of the box, with perspective OTA additions for all devices.
10. Gorgeous desktop software for syncing stuff - Zune software is truly amazing - fast, flexible, great looking, I couldn't believe it were from Microsoft.
These are just a few things that came to mind immediately.
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1. Only high-end devices, which means apps won't be made for the least common denominator.
2. Native full multiple account Exchange support.
3. Built-in Office stuff, with Sharepoint (wow!)
4. MS-supplied drivers, made together with chip manufacturer, no crappy stuff from HTC or whoever.
5. Integration of web services (including third-party ones) in a meaningful way - contacts go to contacts, pictures to device picture library, without doing everything in a separate app - this way even I'll be using Facebook.
6. Real OTA updates, for all devices, because of a truly uniform platform.
7. Awesome UI, not a bland iPhone/WM third party launcher rip-off, both in terms of looks (subjective) and in terms of functionality (OS level widgets with rich APIs allowing to update text, graphics and animation). Hubs are an awesome idea too. Lots of text, easy to read/see what you need to tap. Everything I ever dreamed of in a UI actually.
8. Dev tools making creating awesome UI consistent with overall OS very easy.
9. Absolutely best video codec support out of the box, with perspective OTA additions for all devices.
10. Gorgeous desktop software for syncing stuff - Zune software is truly amazing - fast, flexible, great looking, I couldn't believe it were from Microsoft.
These are just a few things that came to mind immediately.
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Damn, great list! I couldn't of said it better myself. But you forgot Xbox live support and acheivements!
1. Since the Market shows only compatible apps, apps do NOT have to be made for the least common denominator, like on WM
2. This is there on Android
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5. This is actually better on Android with Sense.
6. Doesn't matter. People own one device, they don't care if others get OTA updates (talking about normal people)
7. The UI looks VERY ineffiecient. VERY VERY inefficient. Wasted space everywhere (why are the programs a freakin' list?! And why so few tiles per screen? That makes it VERY hard to get to apps). Android's UI is much better.
8. Dev tools are VERY restricted. Awesome UI yes, but no native APIs = Awesone looking apps with no functionality = useless
9. Not true. Some Android devices have better codec support OOTB.
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I'll agree with the rest, where I've not written something.
That's against:
1. Multitasking, enables lots of possibilities (streaming radio, IM clients and other clients, navigation)
2. Copy&paste
3. Customizability (not only looks, but also easily change the default apps for everything)
4. Apps, apps, apps - a huge market
5. A native development kit - enables much richer functionality for apps
6. More efficient UI
7. You don't have to pay for high-end phones and can still get lots of the functionality
8. Google services (hey, they're not THAT bad)
9. File system access - enables richer functionality for apps and removes the requirement for proprietary syncing methods (or emailind things to oneself ).
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If you want notes and tasks, yes. But there are apps for that. Everything else is there.
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2.1 in Nexus One doesn't do Calendar sync. Only with Google Calendar which I don't give a damn about. Third party apps do exist but they have limitations and their own problems; plus I don't want to rely on third parties (neither HTC nor things called Moxier) for this critical functionality.
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Most Android phones suck. Nexus One is a great device except default UI and missing Exchange stuff; Desire has HTC built Exchange stuff but is the best one out there. Evo will be a serious contender when it comes out in a GSM incarnation, I'll take a close look at it.
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It is. Yes, there are benefits to hardware variety (especially for Google), but the downsides exist as well. They are well known and documented, so no need to repeat the same stuff over and over. You can choose to ignore them but it doesn't change the fact that they exist. Froyo will try to address it. I'll take a look at Android then, again.
2.1 in Nexus One doesn't do Calendar sync. Only with Google Calendar which I don't give a damn about.
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Strange. Mine does.
Most Android phones suck.
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At least you get more than one. You usually buy only one phone, so why deos it matter to you whether other suck? Doesn't matter at all.
no need to repeat the same stuff over and over
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So far, the only thing that's been documented is that it is in fact NOT an issue:
If Google really thought there was a problem, they'd force restrictions. The plan described there makes sense, but doesn't adress the "issue" at all, except for Google's apps.
In reality, there isn't an issue. If a certain app doesn't run on your phone, it won't show up in the market. Phone upgrades usually go from lower to higher spec'd hardware, which means most likely more apps will run on the newer phone than on the old one.
The developer interest in Android also shows, that developers aren't too concerned. Developers are much more concerned about the restrictions they find on WP7, than about the fragmentation of Android.
Those restrictions make many projects impossible, whereas the fragmentation just means a bit more work to do.
Also, if they don't force restrictions, it means more phones will run Android. That means more people buying software, which makes up for the additional work developers have to do.
The only "issue" I can see is people buying cheap phones and then complaining that it doesn't work as well as the high-end Android phone they keep hearing about. But those are stupid people, anyway.
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Now you can keep repeating yourself, but even if you keep saying it a thousand times, fragmentation won't become an issue.
Just because you're repeating it doesn't mean it will become true.
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1. Since the Market shows only compatible apps, apps do NOT have to be made for the least common denominator, like on WM
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It's the same with WM. You see only a fraction of apps in Marketplace (granted, this is a joke of an appstore, but still). The problem is, when the overwhelming majority of devices are crap, that's what normal devs will target. And that's what they do.
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2. This is there on Android
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No.
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5. This is actually better on Android with Sense.
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Not true. With Sense (which is a third party thing to begin with), you get what's built in. In WP7 you can have third party additional services hook into OS stuff in a very smooth way, way beyond the homescreen.
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6. Doesn't matter. People own one device, they don't care if others get OTA updates (talking about normal people)
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Right. Thing is, when Android 2.1 came out, how many devices get the OTA upgrade? What if the one device I own doesn't get it? If it will, will it work 100%? Will my hardware support features in 2.3?
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Android's UI is much better.
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I'll leave this without comment. I said that's the UI I could only dream of - it just implements almost everything I wanted.
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8. Dev tools are VERY restricted. Awesome UI yes, but no native APIs = Awesone looking apps with no functionality = useless
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Well, it's not "useless", but no arguing it's incredibly limited. Me, I need an ebook reader and a satnav app. No use in WP7 without this stuff and copy/paste, I'm just not buying it. It's in a way like early Android without NDK, only much better in terms of UI frameworks and dev tools. We'll see how it evolves, it's a big uncertainty now. I personally think that most of the limitations originate in the very simple fact that SL3 just doesn't have the necessary functionality, while SL4 isn't ready yet and therefore couldn't be ported. Among other problems, current SL doesn't have methods to interact with native code. I suspect that this, rather than some religious principles, is the reason for not getting much of the stuff needed. So, in a nutshell, Android's APIs are arguably better in most areas apart from UI. Yet WP7 is hard to beat in this department.
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9. Not true. Some Android devices have better codec support OOTB.
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You missed the point. You get codec support from Samsung but not HTC, just like it is with WM. There's little to no chance you'll get it from Google.
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why deos it matter to you whether other suck?
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Well, because I personally don't see a phone I would want to buy. That's one hell of a reason for me.
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Strange. Mine does.
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Care to comment all this stuff?
It's the same with WM. You see only a fraction of apps in Marketplace (granted, this is a joke of an appstore, but still). The problem is, when the overwhelming majority of devices are crap, that's what normal devs will target. And that's what they do.
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No, it's not. You're completely wrong here.
Devs make the apps they want. They want a high quality graphics game, they make it. They want an app that runs on every device, they make it. No problem there!
No.
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Yes.
n WP7 you can have third party additional services hook into OS stuff in a very smooth way, way beyond the homescreen.
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No. That's how it should be, but it's not. The dev tools don't allow enough integration.
Do you have an Android? If not, shut up. Cause I have one.
What if the one device I own doesn't get it?
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If you're not a geek, you don't care. Most people are not geeks. No problem here!
I'll leave this without comment. I said that's the UI I could only dream of - it just implements almost everything I wanted.
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Lots of inefficiently used space is all you wanted? LOL
Well, it's not "useless", but no arguing it's incredibly limited.
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Exactly. That's why apps on Android will be much more functional. Maybe they don't look as beautiful, but they look good enough. WP7 will get lots of beautiful, awesome looking fart apps.
You missed the point. You get codec support from Samsung but not HTC, just like it is with WM.
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No, I didn't miss the point at all. Fact is, and I'm repeating myself again here, that people buy phones, not operating systems. They don't care whether the codec support comes from Google or HTC, they only care whether their phone can play their video or not.
Also, I don't see why Google wouldn't add codec suppot.
Well, because I personally don't see a phone I would want to buy. That's one hell of a reason for me.
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What phone do you have? I'm sure my Nexus ca easily compete with it hardware-wise!
Care to comment all this stuff?
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Don't know. I think I've downloaded a plugin or so. But I know it works on my phone.
EDIT: Ah well. That's what I did: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5553563&postcount=2
I see it has to be rooted, because it wants the file in /system.
Well, I give you the points for that, but nevertheless, it works on mine
Plus, as I said, people buy devices. If they want Exchane, they ask "can this phone do Exchange" and if it's a Hero, Desire, Legend... then they get a "yes" and buy the device. I don't see any issue here.
The HTC apps are even better than the integration you get on WP7, or, at least as good. They merge your contacts together from Exchange, Google, SIM card, Facebook,...... just like WP7, but you get more control.
The Exchange mail inbox with HTC Sense is also better, or at least as good, as the Exchange inbox on WP7.
I really don't see an advantage for WP7 here. The HTC Sense stuff is just as good, or better.
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Do you have an Android? If not, shut up. Cause I have one.
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Great argument. I won't. Shut up yourself if you want.
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That's why apps on Android will be much more functional. Maybe they don't look as beautiful, but they look good enough. WP7 will get lots of beautiful, awesome looking fart apps.
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No arguing about functionality, at least in early WP7. I've already said I won't buy it for this reason. Yet it doesn't negate other benefits, including UI. And most Android apps look like crap to my taste.
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No, I didn't miss the point at all. Fact is, and I'm repeating myself again here, that people buy phones, not operating systems.
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Yes you did miss the point. I can only get codec support if I buy Samsung phones. And I don't want them. I want an HTC Evo. It doesn't have codecs built in, and there are no decent third party video players yet. That's a drawback of the platform. WP7 will have the edge here. Whether it's important for you or not is a different matter.
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What phone do you have? I'm sure my Nexus ca easily compete with it hardware-wise!
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HD2. Until I see a GSM Evo I personally don't care for what else Android has.
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I really don't see an advantage for WP7 here. The HTC Sense stuff is just as good, or better.
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I do. I've had enough experience with HTC software to not want it. Ever. You may argue they magically turned into a great software company when they began developing for Android, but I won't believe. Native support for Exchange will always be preferrable to me. For others as well, I know it.
I've had enough experience with HTC software to not want it.
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On Android?
If not, don't judge it. Cause HTC's Android software is fine.
Their WM software only sucks because WM sucks.
HD2. Until I see a GSM Evo I personally don't care for what else Android has.
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Hm... let's see... my Nexus has the same hardware... except for the screen... which, frankly, looks much better than the HD2's (I had the HD2 before). It's also lighter, not such a fat brick. Still I prefer the HD2's Design, but that's not worth anything.
So I was right, your WM phone doesn't have better hardware...
Yes you did miss the point.
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No you missed the point. You buy phones, not operating systems. And by the way, starting from the Desire, HTC's phones get the same codec support.
Great argument. I won't. Shut up yourself if you want.
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You think you know more about Android, but you don't even have one! Really?! If you don't know something, don't talk about it.
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You think you know more about Android, but you don't even have one! How stupid is that? Really, if you don't know something, don't talk about it.
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Why do Android fanboys have to be rude? I didn't offend you in any way. Yes I do know something about Android, even though you have more experience and deeper knowledge. Some of the things are common knowledge though, you don't have to own an Android device to know that none of them offer 4.3" screens. Fragmentation is a more general phenomenon than Android itself, and there's enough written and said about it, including acknowledgements by Google themselves. There's a lot of well documented information like lack of native Exchange support, and so on. So please let's not resort to trolling.
Why do Android fanboys have to be rude?
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I'm not rude, but this is true!
Don't pretend you know more about Android than someone who is actually using one.
Even "common knowledge" is often nonsense!
And please, stop talking about "native Exchange support". It does have native Exchange support, peroid.
You can say "no calendar without rooting" (which also is not true for HTC devices), but stop denying that it doesn't have native Exchange support. It even supports multiple Exchange accounts! And on an HTC device, I can have my Exchange, including the calendar, pushed to my phone, PLUS my GMail pushed. Try that on a Windows Mobile phone!
I'm not pretending to know more about Android than you do. Never even tried.
Well, somehow you did.
Anyway, the iPhone is getting multiple Exchange account support.
I don't know, but I think this is all just embarrassing for Microsoft. I mean, yes, WP7 will also have that, but when? End of the year? Come on! WP7 should have been out one year ago!
And despite that it took so long, they couldn't even figure out multitasking or notifications! I mean, they had the iPhone, the Pre, Android and so on to copy from, but they even fail at copying the others!
Oh wow... now they've even announced a gaming network... OMG. This is it for WP7. How embarrassing...
Before I get boo'd off the stage, just hear me out.
I'm new to the whole cell phone modding scene as the EVO is the first nice phone I've ever had. When I get a new product, I'm the type of person that's going to customize it any way possible, even at the risk of breaking it (gotta love those high risk behaviors).
So my question is, what is the likelihood of seeing an unofficial WinMo7 flash for the EVO? Is this just way beyond the technical capabilities of anyone on the modding scene without access to internal specs? Are there any other phones that this type of thing has been done on to provide a frame of reference?
Don't get me wrong, I love Android and I've been very supportive of the products and developers on the marketplace. I'd just really like the option to flash WinMo7 if I wanted to.
And hey, at least I didn't say iOS4 right?
Considering that WM7 is about 4-6 months out from even being released, it is probably a little silly to be talking about this right now.
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Before I get boo'd off the stage, just hear me out.
I'm new to the whole cell phone modding scene as the EVO is the first nice phone I've ever had. When I get a new product, I'm the type of person that's going to customize it any way possible, even at the risk of breaking it (gotta love those high risk behaviors).
So my question is, what is the likelihood of seeing an unofficial WinMo7 flash for the EVO? Is this just way beyond the technical capabilities of anyone on the modding scene without access to internal specs? Are there any other phones that this type of thing has been done on to provide a frame of reference?
Don't get me wrong, I love Android and I've been very supportive of the products and developers on the marketplace. I'd just really like the option to flash WinMo7 if I wanted to.
And hey, at least I didn't say iOS4 right?
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chances are damn near nil. winmo7 is not open source, so there will be no code available to get the kernel up and running. no kernel --> no talky talky between software and hardware.
You have a better chance of being struck by lightening twice in the same spot.
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You have a better chance of being struck by lightening twice in the same spot.
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Or seeing WinMo 6.x on the EVO
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chances are damn near nil. winmo7 is not open source, so there will be no code available to get the kernel up and running. no kernel --> no talky talky between software and hardware.
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This confuses me... windows mobile 6.x isn't open source either, but people found all sorts of ways to mix and match hardware and software installs. Devices that stopped getting updated at WM5 ended up with user based ROMs for 6.0, 6.1 and 6.5 years later.
Thank you for the valid responses I'm just trying to wrap my head around the cell phone scene so the input was much appreciated.
To the others, well, thank you for trolling. Who woulda thought that a legitimate question located in the legitimate forum would be so ridiculously stupid, amirite?
ok i will be the first
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
there is the OS Licensing cost.
as i understand it, Android is free (more free beer than free speech but that's a different thread). Microsoft is not ever free.
hence, if you hack android you're a potential nerd...if you hack windows you're a potential criminal.
kinda the same reason we don't put the apple os on devices...it's closed source.
oh yeah...and then there is the most important question... why would you want to defile your EVO like that?
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This confuses me... windows mobile 6.x isn't open source either, but people found all sorts of ways to mix and match hardware and software installs. Devices that stopped getting updated at WM5 ended up with user based ROMs for 6.0, 6.1 and 6.5 years later.
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Interfacing an OS to hardware is all about drivers. On top of that, the software must be compiled with the correct instruction set for the CPU. This is why upgrading to a newer Win Mobile can be possible, but not Android to Win.
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Interfacing an OS to hardware is all about drivers. On top of that, the software must be compiled with the correct instruction set for the CPU. This is why upgrading to a newer Win Mobile can be possible, but not Android to Win.
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not correct. WinMo7 is using ARM instructions just the same as WinMo6, WinMo5, 2003, Android, and everyone else unless you know something I don't.
Even further WinMo7 will most likely run on Snapdragon chips... so we can pull the necessary drivers from other systems.
The only thing that would be needed is either a haRET style bootloader but for WinMo or a dual bootloader that can load either WinMo7 or Android.
I was wondering if was even possible, i noticed that verizon doesn't even have a windows mobile 7 phone and i'd like to play with it for a bit and yes the whole xbox live thing interests me
Then you will have to wait for verizon to have a WP7 Phone. Even if a rom was somehow ported over and made to work with the Increbile, it would be very limited, and it's already been said that the xbox live function would not be able to work. I don't have the link for it but a quick google search should net you that information.
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I was wondering if was even possible, i noticed that verizon doesn't even have a windows mobile 7 phone and i'd like to play with it for a bit and yes the whole xbox live thing interests me
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Bobboman, that would be an interesting concept. I wrote the thread regarding possibly porting over a BBerry 6 styled UI, but no takers and don't even know if it is possible at that.
MIUI gives you an iPhoneish experience and that makes me believe if somebody invested their time in prepping such a ROM resembling WP7 or BBerry 6, it could be accomplished. Again, i'm just speculating here, but I like where your head is at and I too look forward to anything our crazy bad ass Dev's come up with.
it really would, i did like MIUI but at the same time it felt way too much like the Iphone for me to continue using it though my ex girlfriend is using it on her droid OG
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it really would, i did like MIUI but at the same time it felt way too much like the Iphone for me to continue using it though my ex girlfriend is using it on her droid OG
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I had the same issue. The trick to miui is using the aosp elements theme. No more iPhoney icons.
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There is a WP7 theme, if you just want the look. The info is in Android Themes and Apps.
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Bobboman, that would be an interesting concept. I wrote the thread regarding possibly porting over a BBerry 6 styled UI, but no takers and don't even know if it is possible at that.
MIUI gives you an iPhoneish experience and that makes me believe if somebody invested their time in prepping such a ROM resembling WP7 or BBerry 6, it could be accomplished. Again, i'm just speculating here, but I like where your head is at and I too look forward to anything our crazy bad ass Dev's come up with.
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Cooking a ROM that has a similar feel to WP7 and actually porting it (which is what the OP wants) are two entirely different animals. Customizing the appearance of the UI is one thing... actually implementing the functionality that's core to WP7 is an entirely different animal. Since WP7 is not open source, a successful port is extremely problematic at best... even Android to Android ports have their limitations (such as those found in the Desire Z ports).
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Cooking a ROM that has a similar feel to WP7 and actually porting it (which is what the OP wants) are two entirely different animals. Customizing the appearance of the UI is one thing... actually implementing the functionality that's core to WP7 is an entirely different animal. Since WP7 is not open source, a successful port is extremely problematic at best... even Android to Android ports have their limitations (such as those found in the Desire Z ports).
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Thanks for actually trying to explain the difficulty in porting such a ROM instead of bashing me for asking or proposing a similiar idea.
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Thanks for actually trying to explain the difficulty in porting such a ROM instead of bashing me for asking or proposing a similiar idea.
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No bashing here. Some rabid purists would say, "If you want the ____ experience, you should buy a ____ phone". Hell, one of the main bennies of our phones is customization.
Like I said though, it would be possible for someone with talent (that I admittantly lack) to come up with a similar UI. But without access to source, porting the functionality that we'd want from WP7 isn't especially probable.
thanks for explaining that najaboy i figured that it was as simple as getting ahold of stock windows mobile 7 giving it the Inc drivers and going from there
i saw that the HD2 is running it so i thought it might be possible to bring it to the inc even with basic functionality if i knew how to even attempt it i would my self
and yea themeing is not something i'm interested in, i do like the stock look of android but windows mobile 7 would be fun to play with i think
and saying if you like it so much why don't you buy it is such a stupid thing to say as 1) verizon doesn't have it and 2) when i upgraded to the incredible windows mobile 7 wasn't even out yet
hi all,
I read this thread just now:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=857188
I wanna talk about the same thing but that thread has been closed.
According to some website, I found both G10 and iPhone4 are based on ARM architecture. I have use IDA to analyse some files in iOS 4.2.1 update packages and I found it use ARM7 instruction set. So I think there is still some possibility to port iOS kernel to G10. Is there anyone who also interested on this? Could you tell me something useful about this project? Thanks a lot.
BTW: If you think this post makes no means, please do not laugh at me as the guys who has done this in the thread above. I only talk about my idea. Although this idea maybe impossible to be implemented. I hope you can give me some adivse, information or others, not your ridicule. Thanks in advance.
It's about as likely as getting windows phone 7 to work on the DHD. Without the source it's probably an impossible undertaking as the kernel will need to be rewritten with the correct hooks and drivers to work on the DHD.
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It's about as likely as getting windows phone 7 to work on the DHD. Without the source it's probably an impossible undertaking as the kernel will need to be rewritten with the correct hooks and drivers to work on the DHD.
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Yes, I was agree with your opinion. The driver is really needed to be written for a new device. But for some basic peripheral such as touch-screen, may have a common driver between iphone and desire hd?
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Yes, I was agree with your opinion. The driver is really needed to be written for a new device. But for some basic peripheral such as touch-screen, may have a common driver between iphone and desire hd?
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Highly unlikely in my opinion, if you want iOs on your phone buy an iphone.
BTW I'm sure if you did manage the port you would be unable to connect to iTunes to install apps so would be restricted to clydia etc
ghostofcain said:
Highly unlikely in my opinion, if you want iOs on your phone buy an iphone.
BTW I'm sure if you did manage the port you would be unable to connect to iTunes to install apps so would be restricted to clydia etc
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I just discuss about the possibility and gather information about this. So, do not suggest me to buy a iPhone. BTW: I'd like to buy a iPad2 when it released.
Why would you want iOS on a DHD?
That would be a downgrade
sromer said:
Why would you want iOS on a DHD?
That would be a downgrade
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Nowadays Android can run well on iPhone. So why not try to port iOS to Android phone?
I think a major issue would be the screen resolution; the DHD runs at 800x480 and the iphone4 runs at something like 960x640 this would mean that everything would just be wrong, and most probably wouldn't do anything at all. I don't think that it would really be viable for a dev to work on something like this, especially as quite a few of us (me for example) moved away from iOS for Android.
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I think a major issue would be the screen resolution; the DHD runs at 800x480 and the iphone4 runs at something like 960x640 this would mean that everything would just be wrong, and most probably wouldn't do anything at all. I don't think that it would really be viable for a dev to work on something like this, especially as quite a few of us (me for example) moved away from iOS for Android.
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hmm... Resolution is a issue only for application developers... It should not be a problem for kernel porting I think.
i have been highly involved in OSX86 which is where you are porting mac osx to work on windows machines and from that, i can safely say that this project would involve so much work that you are essentially rewriting the whole OS
panyan said:
i have been highly involved in OSX86 which is where you are porting mac osx to work on windows machines and from that, i can safely say that this project would involve so much work that you are essentially rewriting the whole OS
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Yes. To driver the peripheral device, we have to write all the driver or at least, modify the original driver. Without the source code, this would be too hard.
BTW: Is it possible for us to port xnu(or the kernel of mac os x) to ARM platform just as iOS do?
And why would you want to
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you don't have iOS source right, you will have to disassemble and go thorugh lots of code, replace a lot of things, then fix so that every thing works in a flow..
This will take years! with no assurance of success again. you may also have to find security holes in iOS again to load it on a different phone.
If you had the source then few months!
Not to mention a possible law suit from Apple.
Hi folks.....it s possible have dualboot on DHD?how to install win7 on DHD? It s possible porting os6 of blackberry on DHD or HD2? thanks.....
^^^^ no its not possible right to put up Win7 on DHD! don't think anybody is going to work on that also.
But Win7 is ported to HD2, or not? Correct me, if i'm wrong. And if it's ported to HD2, it should be possible to port it to the DHD.
I think the problem is only the boot not the porting....because on the HD2 is possible load win7, linux, winxp, android, ecc ecc.....
IOs is like having an Sexually transmitted disease like chlamydia
Its common amongst people and has bad effects on the market.
fkofilee said:
IOs is like having an Sexually transmitted disease like chlamydia
Its common amongst people and has bad effects on the market.
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Ok,epic!
Anyway,why would anyone want iOS?I find it pure bs.But even if there was a way and a reason,would porting it be important enough to put you against Apple?Because,and excuse me everyone for the language I use,the bastards over at apple can sue you for naming a product with an "i" in front!