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My older thread didn't help me much and this might help me more because now, i'm going to buy a phone within this week but i'm thinking of buying Wave, because of it's 1 ghz cortex a8 processor and GPu PowerVR sgx 540 which is proven to be the fastest among single core processors (not including tegra). To be hoenst, PowerVR sgx 540 performs just like tegra 2 GPU and is more or less the same GPU used in iphone 4.
Question is, which one to buy? keeping in mind that android is comming to wave sooner or later, what do you guys say? do you think android would work on wave (dual boot) so that the bada OS is also secured. Now my options are:
-LG optimus one (around 170$)(wifi is b/g only)
-Samsung wave (Around 299$)
-Samsung galaxy ace (349$)
-Samsung galaxy mini (around 179$)
These are the only phones i want to choose from because others are either expensive or useless (not android). I don't think that galaxy ace would be a very good choice despite the fact that it has no flash support (decreases 50% surfing on internet). About wave is that, bada sucks for now as there aren't cool widgets, apps available. About Optimus One, it is cheap, which is a good thing but the pixels are way too low and it runs a 600mhz processor which cannot run at least 50% of the good games without lag.
Now i can only trust you guys to help me as this will allow me to choose my phone and i really want some good suggestions. Thanks a lot in advance
> Bada Software and Hacking General (No noobs here)
> Asking advice about buy a Samsung Wave
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Otacon_ahs said:
> Bada Software and Hacking General (No noobs here)
> Asking advice about buy a Samsung Wave
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Sorry i didn't understand what you mean by "nope.avi" and tbh you seem like a noob to me and yet you're making a useless post
It's too bad that there's no Q & A section for bada or i could've made a thread there :/
keeping in mind that android is comming to wave sooner or later
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shad0wboss
If you wish Android on Wave (II) you need to wait... long, loooonger, very loooooooooooooooong.
So the answer is later. Much later.
If you can't wait. Then your first choice should be an Android handset.
And yes, sorry. Its very hard to answer as normally we are in Software&Hacking section of XDA...
And this is your second try and buy Thread.
Best Regards
adfree said:
shad0wboss
If you wish Android on Wave (II) you need to wait... long, loooonger, very loooooooooooooooong.
So the answer is later. Much later.
If you can't wait. Then your first choice should be an Android handset.
And yes, sorry. Its very hard to answer as normally we are in Software&Hacking section of XDA...
And this is your second try and buy Thread.
Best Regards
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Thanks for your reply, also the project you're working on, does it apply to wave II as well or only for Wave?
Android project is at very very early stadium.
Pre pre Alpha... and oleg_k is the only person who have seen Android on his Wave. NO ONE else.
I have no idea when second person can confirm running Android on Wave.
oleg_k uses additional Hardware called JTAG.
Costs around 200 Euro... see here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=898996
We all have to wait. Maybe weeks, maybe months...
Best Regards
Currently all android ports being worked on are for wave I. So if you are buying waveII, you will have to wait much longer.
Now on your opinion to buy a handset,
1)Do not buy wave in the hope of getting android in it later or sooner. We don't know all the problems we might face after loading android onto our phones. So if you want Android, go for galaxy ace.
2)Bada has a scope of improvement and you can see its progres by taking a look at the app store. Every week some new good games are coming, either ports or original stuff. Now Bada has apps like Fruit Ninja, Plants vs. Zombies, Doodle Jump and many other games which people were longing to see on the samsung app store. Eventually, more apps will arrive. But don't buy Wave if your only interest is apps and widgets. If you can give bada some time, then you can go on to buy the wave.
3)And if you are looking for a rock solid hardware, go for Wave! Wave's hardware can't be matched by any other single core phones for now. The wave in fact has a better gpu than Iphone 4. So Wave is the best bet for your budget. Also the screen quality and Multimedia experience is really amazing. Also its out of the box ability to play almost all of the video formats including Divx HD and Xvid along with subtitles will make you want to buy the Wave. Remember that currently Bada has few problems in properly utilizing the RAM. So you might get memory errors sometimes even though it has more than 512 MB of ram on it. I don't know if the memory issues have been solved on Wave II or not but atleast Wave currently faces this problem.
So now you are left to your choice. My personal recommendation is the Wave! I am saying this after using an Iphone 4(Which got stolen ), an HTC Desire and now my beloved Wave!
My opinion is go with wave because it has wonderful design and no other samsung phones has better design like wave. also bada 2.0 looks more promising..
Maybe we can get android on wave within weeks but it will be pre alpha version and you cant expect all functionalities work and maybe few functionalities will never work.
Multimedia side wave rocks. but if you interested in apps then go for android device..Now your choice
scout for a dual processor
Got Wave II for some days. The biggest problem is lack of apps for bada, which is semi rapidly fixed, samsung is spending alot of cash into its development, so it is getting better month by month (comparing bada 1.0 to 1.2 for eg.).
It has got very powerful CPU and GPU, but haven't seen yet a game that uses more than like 30% of its power, but if you don't mind about games and weird apps like remote sattelite controllers which for sure can be found for Android. If you only want to have smoothly running device with some gadgets - I do recommend it.
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Currently all android ports being worked on are for wave I. So if you are buying waveII, you will have to wait much longer.
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As far as I know Wave II is the same hardware as Wave I, except the LCD display. So port for Wave I = port for Wave II with abit different LCD driver.
Rebellos said:
Got Wave II for some days. The biggest problem is lack of apps for bada, which is semi rapidly fixed, samsung is spending alot of cash into its development, so it is getting better month by month (comparing bada 1.0 to 1.2 for eg.).
It has got very powerful CPU and GPU, but haven't seen yet a game that uses more than like 30% of its power, but if you don't mind about games and weird apps like remote sattelite controllers which for sure can be found for Android. If you only want to have smoothly running device with some gadgets - I do recommend it.
As far as I know Wave II is the same hardware as Wave I, except the LCD display. So port for Wave I = port for Wave II with abit different LCD driver.
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The hardware might seem equal from outside but there are many internal differences. The main feature still remain the same. If wave II = wave I, then 1.2 update would be available to wave I users as soon as wave II was released. But that is not the case. Wave II use different boot loaders and firmware files. So please read through the forum before to get more info.
Look what i have found after starting the store, i have made a master reset to look at it, yesterday i have seen it but was not sure if it is true, it seems realy that they are developing bada 2.0 demo apps on the wave 525 read the text bellow, i cannot say yet it will come but it seems so.
sometimes i dont believe myself, thats why i had tried it again.
Well, possibly there is just a possibility to run middle-class apps at Wave/Wave II
What do you mean?
Spider Man with 500 MB is a middle range game?
All bada 1.2 will be supported as stock. No magic behind.
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Spider Man with 500 MB is a middle range game?
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But it's tested on low-end device as you see in messagebox
hmm
developed on xxx binary and didn't passed qa-test,
have you developed an app? GPS Status wifi discover need maybe 1 mb of memory, why they should be developed on high end devices?
there are only 15 apps or so for testing demo apps, no real one, it is a demo store, also wac 2.0 apps that are only on bada 2.0 available, this topic here should show that bada comes on low end devices.
and an image that is autoscalled from such a small resulution doesnt look good, rather the devs will use the other way scalling down from an higher this looks also good as the other way, but bada 2.0 offers the same api for every device, i dont see disadvantages in supporting every device.
it will be for low end devices becouse its compatible with emulator
oh lariateo if i have 525 with bada 2.0 will it support middle range games? i mean fruit ninjja or angry birds becouse the low end devices android (galaxy mini) supports...
all games without opengl usage, i dont know what games uses it and what not sorry. and i am also not sure about, it is standing so in store, but there dont stands anything about bada 2.0, only the wac applications 2.0 could be an indicate that there are version for lowend devices. cause wac exists since 2.0 on bada.
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What do you mean?
Spider Man with 500 MB is a middle range game?
All bada 1.2 will be supported as stock. No magic behind.
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Well, I mean that apps developed for the middle class badaphones could be run on high-end class phones with bada 2.0.
but what is wac 2.0?
gamemaster98
http://www.wacapps.net/web/portal
we will have 3x2 images per page? or 4?
i need to know how if is possible to update a samsung wave lite gt-s5250(i don t know if 3g,phone is not mine)
it has bada 1.1.can i update it to 2.0?
is 2.0 stable?
thanks
I have not seen a firmware for the small waves out there which contains 2.0.
Maybe you will have to wait and see, but Samsung confirmed 2.0 on all its devices.
Regards
is there any update?
like 1.2 or something else?
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is there any update?
like 1.2 or something else?
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http://samfirmware.com
so we must wait until september? 1 september?
Maybe you can give you self an answer...
If latest S5780 bada handset has only bada 1.1, it is also based on Broadcom Hardware/Software like the other family of light:
S5250
S5330
S5750
S7230
How big is the chance in near future to update to 1.2... or bada 2.0...
Btw... bada 2.0 is NOT finished.
Firmware nor bada 2.0 SDK is ready for Release in near future...
so we must wait until september? 1 september?
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Maybe 31 September... then only first for big bada handsets or new incoming models...
Maybe I am wrong... maybe you have more luck...
But at this time I have not seen any 1.2 Firmware for light bada handsets...
Only Samsung knows why...
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man samsung is poop becouse they focuse on android and all high performance phones!
BADA 2 is targeted at the US Market
BADA 1 and 1.2 were only dry runs even the samsung apps store was a dry run
so that every bug or unforeseen obstacle can be ironed out before they launch the American US store.
Remember that Samsung doenst have an American Apps store yet.
I think they knew that bada 1.2's stupid limitations like limited text, contacts
and apps menu would be show killers so they worked on BADA 2 before they
make their entry into America and battle with iOS, Android, WP7, WEbOS,
and RIM.
Its the reason why american developers werent interested in BADA since there is no american store in samsung apps.
BUT now that samsung is going to launch a midend BADA2 phone with NFC in America with a HI END Bada phone to follow, there are going to be interesting changes at Samsung.
So when they did announce that BADA 2 will go to all their devices,
the hi ends will have it first with the mid ends getting it much much later.
All this will happen starting with the American BADA nfc phone launch.
I saw in youtube bada 2.0 in a phone.that person said that finally bada 2.0 is here
Sent from my HTC Desire S using XDA Premium App
can you give me the link of the video?
Remember that Samsung doenst have an American Apps store yet.
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Samsung produced hundrets of Qualcomm BREW handsets for US market... since many years.
So bada App Store is not mandatory...
Remember... european users missing since 2006 (2001) BREW apps in Europe for there BREW handsets...
bada is NOT for US market as main target...
I have no idea, if maybe Qualcomm were not interested in support bada store...
remember S8500/S8530 is Qualcomm based...
Then Apple...
In theory could US BREW Developer also develop for bada store for european users...
C++
Anyway. For me it is FIRST Store in 2010 for my S8500.
All my BREW handsets from 2006 are unsupported... no BREW Apps.
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can you give me the link of the video?
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It s in ita
here http://www.youtube.com/user/HDblog?blend=1&ob=5#p/u/10/Ahh7bayYTEI
Sent from my HTC Desire S using XDA Premium App
Actually its ARM based
Qualcomm is owned by Samsung but is a separate company from the Mobile Division. Its also just one of the ARM licensees and qualcomm has its own snapdragon chipset using the adreno gpu.
This is why the hummingbird used in the Galaxy S/ Wave 8500/8530 is designed by Samsung and not Qualcomm itself.
Same case for the exynos chipset in the Galaxy S2 which uses a mali400 gpu.
Designed by samsung but not by qualcomm.
This is also why Samsung's mobile division also uses the Tegra chipset etc
Samsung's mobile division doesnt have to use qualcomm exclusively since they are a separate company and Qualcomm has to submit bids just like other suppliers if they wish to get the mobile division's business.
Its the way Samsung has run its companies for years already to stimulate
competition between its subsidiaries.
Still all the chipsets in it's mobiles like tablets and cellphones are all based on ARM.
Samsung is going to push BADA on the American market if not late this year,
its going to be early next year.
The wave 725 with NFC and Bada 2 is its midend phone for the american market.
These two links below even try to gauge how BADA will fare in the somewhat crowded American Market.
Asides from these two links below other sites have mentioned that the wave 725
will be launched in America simultaneously with other countries.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/11/samsung-wave-725-specs-trickle-out-bada-2-0-on-board/
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2011/07/12/bada-2-0-samsung-wave-725-details-revealed/
Another link BADA going to USA
http://www.mobi-review.com/mobile-reviews/leak-samsung-wave-725-bada-20-coming-september.html
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Bada may not be that significant in America, although it has completed surprisingly well for itself in Europe, and it might be attention-grabbing to see how the American market will receive the OS, especially for the explanation that US smartphone market is presently dominated by Android and iOS, although that may change with Bada 2.0 OS, or at least that’s what Samsung hopes.
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look at this https://www.facebook.com/pages/BADA-OS-FORUM/134602219952258
''Guys using wave 525 , 533 don't need to worry about release of bada 2.0.1 for these mobiles because we will be able to port the Bada 2.0.1 firmware of Wave 578 in the old devices ... we hope Bada 2.0.1 for Wave 578 will release soon ..and we will provide u with all the download links and files ..''
i know this is not an official bada facebook page but this was made by inside developers!
And no further info since...
Bada 2.0 Inside Info.
Posted by Samsung on August 10, 2011 at 1:10 PM
•The program “chaton” is similar to “whatsapp” style in which you can add friends through their mobile numbers and you can chat with them. At present, unfortunately app is in development stage and will be finished within the release of bada 2.0 with graphical interface
•At present bada Os cannot be adapted to dual core processors, Bad news for those expecting wave III with dual core processor.
•The bada firmwares which appeared on net are most likely not leaked from Samsung, but from some partners as bada 2.0 is getting developed in fairly large number of other partners
•Wave III will presented this year a little later, and will be one of the most advanced mobile phones available in the market. Which allow you to feel the benefits of bada 2.0
•Final version of bada 2.0 will support live wallpapers
•80% of bada 2.0 development is carried out in South Korea and other 20% work in India
http://badamobile.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/bada-2-0-inside-info/
source: http://www.samfirmware.com/apps/blog/show/8025449-bada-2-0-inside-info-
For more details visit the website
https://www.tizen.org/blogs/tsg/2012/tizen-1.0-larkspur
Will we see Tizen soon in our devices?
Yes.
Samsung is very famous as lightning fast.
See how long bada 2...
So we have Tizen soooon in 1 or 2 years...
Best Regards
someone already started portin tizen on the wave s8500
but the threat is locked so there is no new information about progres
and i think it was the first beta of tizen
www . badaforums . net /forums/tizen-general/tizen-flashing-t6443.html
Great
It seems to be good.
Maybe a Tizen section should be added in xda ?
They are developing Tizen on very similiar device to SGS2 (same CPU, same CP, similiar board), I don't think they will ever want to backport it to Wave series.
Yes Samsung won't port it. No doubt. We can't expect anything from them. We saw how long they take to release and to roll out bada 2 for less than 5 devices.... a year now... And no official release for every body.
But I'm confident and I think that a unofficial port is possible.
...and I think that a unofficial port is possible.
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Come on...
Nothing learned ?
SDK and new OS is ever blablaballaballa...
The magic is talented Developers...
If you can write Programs, then you can port it to many systems...
Example...
You don't need Windows 7, 8, 9 or Win 1000... to play Solitaire.
Or Crysis 2 runs perfect on XP...
Same for handsets. It is absolute buxxshxttx to change OS...
bada 1.x Apis are perfect for Games...
There are other reasons why not so much good stuff available...
Don't waste your time with Tizen for S8500, S8530 etc...
Its only wet dream.
Best Regards
I'm shared about your answer. I know that it is a hard to port an OS.
I know that the hardware capacity are important and that the Waves are becoming old. I don't expect a smooth and ultra fast Tizen.
But for me running is running. Before I get my Wave I was with a super slow Omnia I900 (even with the WM6.1 stock Rom). Samsung doesn't updated the device (uhm... it doesn't changed...) with WM 6.5 and devs made the update. It was working,no more.
What I want to say is that now nobody is happy of the power of their "toys" (PC,tablet,smartphone...). For sure I think it is better for our toys to be the fluent and efficient as possible. The best is to get the right balance between efficiency and the possibilities that offers you the OS.
Moreover we(especially I in fact) don't know if this OS need a lot of resources or not. It is not because the OS has been developed with a SGS2 that it requires such hardware.
There are actually three possibilities :
-Tizen is a light OS runnable by nearly all device.
-Tizen is a plump OS. Then it can be run with some tweaks.
-Tizen requires so much resources that it can only be bootable with recent device.
After knowing which kind of OS we have we can say wheter it is possible or not.
I know that being optimistic isn't good. I take the risk to be disapointed that you take
I hope you will be suprised. Even if you have more chance than me to be right.
Hi again
I've downloaded Tizen SDK and Emulator. I found file which is running in emulator, it's hm system file. Maybe if we found a metod to extract, we can explore Tizen OS files. Can anybody extract it, or have idea how to do it ?
Programs\tizen_sdk\Emulator\x86\emulimg-1.0.x86
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There are actually three possibilities :
-Tizen is a light OS runnable by nearly all device.
-Tizen is a plump OS. Then it can be run with some tweaks.
-Tizen requires so much resources that it can only be bootable with recent device.
After knowing which kind of OS we have we can say wheter it is possible or not.
I know that being optimistic isn't good. I take the risk to be disapointed that you take
I hope you will be suprised. Even if you have more chance than me to be right.
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none of this really matters, getting an OS to "run" on the Samsung Wave S8500/S8530 devices has been done, and could certainly get done to the same point with Tizen as was done with Android but it would also STOP at the same point - modem driver and fuel guage, people who have the time and coding know-how are needed to work on this specifically for Wave devices, but because of the relatively limited market penetration of the Wave that just hasn't ended up being the case.(remember we haven't been able to find a device that has the modem wired up and coded in the way it has been done on S8500 and S8530) I don't know much about S8600's modem.
Seems also silence about Tizen...
SDK has NO update since April... since first release...
IFA in Berlin is near...
Rumours NO Tizen device in 2012.
So I think no Tizen news on IFA next days...
If you install Tizen SDK, you can find many Samsung Emails...
tizen_installmanager_....log
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http://developer.samsung.com/develo...ageNum=&orderby=&blogeh=&sctype=&syear=&stag=
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon/schedule
Tizen seems not dxad yet...
Best Regards
Uuupsi... surprice :cyclops:
New Tizen SDK available...
https://www.tizen.org/
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Submitted by tsg on 25 Sep, 2012
Today, we are happy to announce that the Tizen 2.0 alpha source code and SDK are now available. We encourage developers to start working with these new features and functionality and provide feedback that can be used to improve Tizen during the final stages of its development. You can visit the community page to learn more about participating in the Tizen project.
Tizen 2.0 alpha has additional features, tools, and other improvements, including:
Enhanced Web framework that provides better HTML5/W3C API support and more Tizen Device APIs
Multi-process Webkit2-based Web Runtime which provides better security and reliability for Web applications
Advanced HTML5 features such as video subtitles and captions, battery status API, screen orientation API, <keygen> and <details>, and more
New Tizen Device APIs for file transfer, notifications, and power control
Advanced IDE & SDK for Web application development
Install manager support for snapshot-based network installation
Enhanced support for OpenGL ES
New Platform SDK that helps platform development based on OBS
More information on the release can be found here: https://source.tizen.org/release
We look forward to getting feedback and making additional enhancements to Tizen over the coming months. There are additional components that we plan to add in the coming weeks, and we will continue to fix bugs and add additional features.
We have also documented the complete development process which leverages state-of-the-art open source management and integration tools to accelerate development and high quality releases. We really encourage developers to participate in the Tizen open source project.
Documentation on development and tools can be found here: https://source.tizen.org/os-development
The Tizen Technical Steering Group
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if some one compile it tell me i try to look and see if we can make boot
http://www.ddaily.co.kr/news/news_view.php?uid=95786
In some german text... I've read something that new Tizen SDK this month possible...
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adfree said:
http://www.ddaily.co.kr/news/news_view.php?uid=95786
In some german text... I've read something that new Tizen SDK this month possible...
Best Regards
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Can anybody translate few important lines from this Article in English?
is this related to Bada+ Tizen merger and new
(or Same) SDK for Bada 2.0 and Tizen 2.0 ?
tried with Google translator but its tooo bad
http://developer.samsung.com/develo...eNum=1&orderby=&blogeh=E&sctype=&syear=&stag=
On October the 11th, the Linux Foundation held the first Korea Linux Forum in Seoul, Korea, a new Linux event in the APAC region, bringing together a unique blend of core developers, system administrators, users, community managers and industry experts...
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https://developer.tizen.org/forums/web-application-development/what-do-building-widget-really-do
Tizen supports two packaging format's, one is "*.tpk" for Tizen C++Apps (aka, native apps) and the other is "*.wgt" for Web apps.
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Someone saw such C++ type in SDK ?
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http://www.stanford.edu/class/cs148/
http://www.stanford.edu/class/cs148/code/tizen_instruction_from_samsung.pdf
No idea if known...
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https://www.tizen.org/community/events/2011/linuxcon-europe-2012
Date:
5 November, 2012 (All day) - 7 November, 2012 (All day)
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We are tentatively planning to have Tizen sessions or a mini-summit.
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