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[Q] Make phone "defective" via software mod?

Hey guys,
You all are true genius', so I will ask you all for your help/opinion.
I don't have insurance on my Incredible, because I bought it second hand, and replaced my Eris with it. Verizon won't insure the phone because it wasn't brought through them. However, If i can prove that the phone is defective on it's own accord, ie via software, maybe they will swap it.
**Mod Edit - Warranty Fraud Comments Removed** That way when I show it to them, they would have to default swap it. They would probably try and do a factory reset, but that would keep the same rooted rom, right? Not sure how that works.
Maybe i'm just being silly, and can just pay for what ever the repair is...

That is something called fraud. I don't think you're going to get much help with that

That's rather dishonest, wouldn't you say?

Sorry, I was really upset when I woke up and posted that..anyway I can have this thread deleted please? Rather embarassing, sorry, I'm just really upset i've never had a smartphone break on me

So.... what's wrong with it?

Phone works fine, screen just shattered. I was showing it off to a bunch of Apple people and demonstrating why it ran circles around the iPhone. Set it down on my lap, and then some drunk kid knocked into my chair and it faceplanted onto the floor.
So..cracked screen :-/

1) warranty only covers phones without physical damage
2) drunk kid owes you a phone
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W4LLY said:
Phone works fine, screen just shattered. I was showing it off to a bunch of Apple people and demonstrating why it ran circles around the iPhone. Set it down on my lap, and then some drunk kid knocked into my chair and it faceplanted onto the floor.
So..cracked screen :-/
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That kid would either have a bloody nose or would of payed for my phone in my case
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lol. Yah Verizon could care less if the phone is defective if it has a giant cracked screen. Obviously they would think that the damage to the phone affect the internals of it or something along those lines.

Not sure how you'll get a kid, who involuntarily bumped into you (at a party I'm assuming if the guy was drunk) to pay for your phone, but good luck tracking him down now. Also, probably not a great idea to have your phone sitting on your lap at a place with hard flooring while people are drunk. Put the phone in your pocket or keep it held in your hand.
I lol'd that you broke your phone trying to show up some iPhone users.

1) warranty only covers phones without physical damage
2) drunk kid owes you a phone
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Not true. If you pay for insurance thru Verizon it absolutely covers physical damage, lost, etc. Manufactured warranty would only cover if the damage was because of some defect.
Cory
"Results may vary."

yeah, it's hopeless man, you're life is officially over...
1. Google.com
2. HTC incredible digitizer
3. spend $
4. fix phone

Ive heard of replacement screens being sold on the internet.. not sure where and who would fix it for you..but its an option

It's 120 dollars for HTC's repair contractor to replace the screen. It's not the worst thing in the world.
PS get a case

FYI.
1. Rooting your device voids ANY warranty.
2. Physical damage is not covered under manufacturer warranty. Any software defects are then attributed to the physical damage.
3. Drunk people+smartphone=bad news. Put it away.
4. The device did not break on you. You broke it.
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csseale said:
Not true. If you pay for insurance thru Verizon it absolutely covers physical damage, lost, etc. Manufactured warranty would only cover if the damage was because of some defect.
Cory
"Results may vary."
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Insurance and warranty are not synonymous... so yes, he is absolutely correct. and your "not true" is moot.

AdhvanIt said:
FYI.
1. Rooting your device voids ANY warranty.
2. Physical damage is not covered under manufacturer warranty. Any software defects are then attributed to the physical damage.
3. Drunk people+smartphone=bad news. Put it away.
4. The device did not break on you. You broke it.
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You forgot one.
5. You are a dumbass.

1.) I wasn't trying to, I -did- show up my friends iPhone 4. 3g speed test using opera...not even close.
2.) I had the Verizon case, but it obviously didn't offer the best frontal support.
3.) Violence doesn't solve anything, and it was a random person I don't even know. He didnt purposely knock into me..he was just a drunk idiot. My grip could have been better/been paying attention to it more.
4.) Thank you all for the various replies/solutions.
If HTC replaces the screen for 120$, I'm really ok with that. Apple charges 199$ for an iPhone 4 screen.
I understand how warrantee's work, I fix iPhones all day. I know that accidental/physical damage is not covered under a typical warranty, but Verizon's Insurance policy (7$ a month, with an 80$ deductable) is normally great because it will replace your phone NO MATTER WHAT, that involves falling off a cliff, cracked screen, ect.
The problem is that since i got my Incredible second hand, and not though VZ, they wouldn't transfer my insurance to the new phone. So, I can go back to using my Eris..but I really am in love with my Incredible.
5.) I know rooting voids warranty. If it was a stock root, though, the VZ rep probably wouldn't get it, was my original point. Regardless, if you do a factory reset, or unroot your device, your warranty is no longer voided, no?

I would start checking out the kiosks at your local mall. Our rinky-dink mall has 2 stores that will replaced cracked screens for about $80 - $100.....while you wait...

najaboy said:
Insurance and warranty are not synonymous... so yes, he is absolutely correct. and your "not true" is moot.
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Ok
Cory
"Results may vary."

[Q] Replacing the Camera?

I dropped my G2 and now the camera doesn't work Now the camera button doesn't do anything and I get FC's from any app using the camera. I'm pretty sure it's a hardware problem since I tried in two different ROMs.
Anyone know a place where I can get the camera module?

shellin said:
I dropped my G2 and now the camera doesn't work Now the camera button doesn't do anything and I get FC's from any app using the camera. I'm pretty sure it's a hardware problem since I tried in two different ROMs.
Anyone know a place where I can get the camera module?
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You dont mention if your rooted or not? If not why cant you just send it back under warrenty?
And if your rooted, 'try' follow the instructions to unroot....and then send it back .....
edit - I should learn to read...you are rooted lol....but still id be trying to unroot

Yep, I'm rooted (albeit with the old ENG method)
I thought that physical/drop damage wasn't covered under warranty?

shellin said:
I thought that physical/drop damage wasn't covered under warranty?
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If you got the accidental damage warranty from Tmo when you got the phone, you can send it in for replacement.

b3orion said:
If you got the accidental damage warranty from Tmo when you got the phone, you can send it in for replacement.
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I didn't know T-Mobile offered accidental damage warranties. I thought they only had the PHP insurance.

shellin said:
Yep, I'm rooted (albeit with the old ENG method)
I thought that physical/drop damage wasn't covered under warranty?
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I think they would struggle to say you dropped it (assuming theres no massive signs of impact).....always worth a try?!

rtorbs said:
I think they would struggle to say you dropped it (assuming theres no massive signs of impact).....always worth a try?!
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No, it is NOT worth the try... because once you've posted all over the internet that you dropped it, it is provably FRAUD (prison time...) to try to pass it off without disclosing to the manufacturer that it was, in fact, dropped.

The thing is, on the bottom right part of the front of my phone, there's some chipping of the plastic :/ I think it's a bit obvious that I dropped it now. I didn't get the handset protection, which I really regret now
But back to my original question: can I easily replace the camera and is there a site that sells camera parts?
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dhkr123 said:
No, it is NOT worth the try... because once you've posted all over the internet that you dropped it, it is provably FRAUD (prison time...) to try to pass it off without disclosing to the manufacturer that it was, in fact, dropped.
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Wow law enforcement agencies in your area really must have a lot of time on their hands....im not aware of a single person receiveing time for returning a phone under similar circumstances.....!!!
Ive had countless phones for countless years and legitimately paid for insurnace and never claimed so its what i would call 'karma'....and whether you did or didnt drop it, sh*t does occassionaly randomly stop working....
I think its more down to your own moral standing....but as for posting it on the web, its obviously better that you dont !
NB - just for the record before I get shot down in flames, I'm not openly condoning criminal activity, were not talking about doing this on a commercial scale this is as a result of an accident.....read the small print on your phone and or home insurance and see if you are covered but don't freak out about it

shellin said:
The thing is, on the bottom right part of the front of my phone, there's some chipping of the plastic :/ I think it's a bit obvious that I dropped it now. I didn't get the handset protection, which I really regret now
But back to my original question: can I easily replace the camera and is there a site that sells camera parts?
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You could try the following ? they dont list as having a camera modules in as of now but that might be becasue the phone is so new ? Cant hurt to email though I guess.....
http://www.gultek.eu/home.php
And good luck with that, god knows what it will cost you ? Depending on your home insurance excess id possibly see if its worth replacing it that way ?....just dont mention it to the guy above lol

rtorbs said:
Wow law enforcement agencies in your area really must have a lot of time on their hands....im not aware of a single person receiveing time for returning a phone under similar circumstances.....!!!
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Then you're LUCKY, because law enforcement is OUT TO GET YOU, despite the flowers and bunnies picture of the world that you mistakenly have.

dhkr123 said:
Then you're LUCKY, because law enforcement is OUT TO GET YOU, despite the flowers and bunnies picture of the world that you mistakenly have.
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Dude seriously.....flowers and bunnies? Are you on acid ?
Your obviously one of three things.....a cop, an insurance salesman or a religious nutcase.....all off which I have utter contempt for lol
Right I promise to make this my last post on this topic....
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With the exception of Ned Flanders above who clearly lives in Pleasantville, la la land the vast majority of people on here live in the real world. You have to accept that sometimes, legitimately or otherwise things happen outside of the realms of what you are covered for....If you were to insure your items for every possible waking scenario your policy cost would far outweigh that of the items insured thus being totally unreasonable.
Now I'm pretty sure that the OP isn't running a multi billion pound insurance fraud empire, he's just an average Joe who's worked hard to pay for a phone which is now damaged. Whilst I'm not saying its ok to be fraudulent, sometimes rules need to be bent to suit a scenario in which you 'are' covered, i,e if your phone insurance doesn't cover for damage but your house insurance does then claim on that, or if your covered for loss and theft (then you could theoretically 'accidently' lose it.....!)
To put this into perspective I currently pay Household, Car, Phone, Life, Teeth and Pet insurance (to name but a few) totalling hundreds if not thousands of pounds per year and have yet to make a claim and insurance companies make millions each year from this. Its also stated that to warrant insurance you'd need to make on average at least 2 claims per year....which the vast majority of people never do. So while I appreciate your point I think you need to get off your high horse, and change your 'mightier than thou' mentality.....go to church, say your 100 hail Marys or whatever it is you feel you need to do to redeem yourself over this obviously criminal conversation lol
Also - I'm also fairly sure that he will learn from this and will take the relevant accidental damage insurance out going forward. And should I see the OP's name in my local tabloids tomorrow for having run said multi billion pound insurance fraud empire I personally will eat my desire for the delight of you !
Oh and one last thing......NO ONE is out to get me, or you or anyone else for that matter (unless your a full blown crook?!)....this isn't a conspiracy theory......oh and err and crackpot extremist Muslims DID blow up the world trade centre....its wasn't the US government, Aliens or any of those pesky bunnies you previously mentioned just in case you were too scared to leave the house ?! lol
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Manufacturers warranties do not cover damage do to misuse or negligence. Quit rationalizing.
Sent from my HTC Vision

Hot_Hands said:
Manufacturers warranties do not cover damage do to misuse or negligence. Quit rationalizing.
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Man.....
The whole idea of this site is about the freedom of choice and the ability to run custom ROMs etc etc on your phone but the whole concept whilst not illegal goes against the manufactures warranty and what they would have you do with your handset....hence the reason why there's so many requests to unroot/revert in the event of an issue.... and I know you know this.
If you accidently bricked your handset as a result of a bad flash or whatever .....your first port of call isn't to go out and buy another handset is it? (unless your a lottery winner, stupid or any combination therof) You'd try and undo what youve done and if needs be send it back to the manufactor hoping they will fix it without spotting any changes (or at least thats what id do....and im pretty sure so would thousands of others) but where then do you draw the line ? That is in fact also dodgy .....but its a bit of a grey area and whilst not a hardware issue its just as ropey a topic, yet you somehow pick and choose the bits of the rules you adhere to ? Go figure !!.....If HTC found that you had changed any element internally resulting in a malfunction you'd probably incur a charge same as if they found that you 'had' dropped the device and damaged the hardware but result is still the same.....
I've had devices that have been looked after, never dropped or abused and hardware does sometimes stop working....does that mean I'm not eligible to make a claim ? NO, does it also automatically imply that I've misused or neglected the item ? NO....its down to the discretion of the person reviewing the item and obviously an internal inspection.
So whether you ultimately source an independent part or return it regardless (hoping they fix it for free) but end up having to pay what they ask.....your still going to have to pay someone !! All I'm trying to say as a result of all this is....What have you got to lose? Nothing.....if it gets through great, if it doesn't your no worse off.
Whilst my view on the subject maybe different from yours I still agree that you take the appropriate cover and you are responsible for your item, but don't come on here giving it all the 'rules and regulations talk' when in fact your very being here is breaking the rules in the first instance.....
Thanks though

What the hell are you talking about? Cut out the strawman arguments. I've never bricked a phone out of negligence and when I've cracked a screen I've fixed it out of pocket. This has nothing to do with custom roms.
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And last I checked (in America) rooting, custom roms and all that wasn't illegal. I just hate the rampant fraud on xda that ****s up legitimate returns and pushes manufacturers to add more and more security.
Edit: wrong thread
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Hot_Hands said:
What the hell are you talking about? Cut out the strawman arguments. I've never bricked a phone out of negligence and when I've cracked a screen I've fixed it out of pocket. This has nothing to do with custom roms.
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Oooooooo !!!
lol whoever said you did ? But plenty of people on here have and its primarily deemed ok to return a phone on that basis.....but not on damaged hardware basis?!
And by your own admission.....
If you drop your phone thats damage due to neglect
If you flash a rom and it goes bad thats damage due to missuse
But the principal is the same....damage is damage and the hot topic was about returning a damaged phone.....my missus works in insurance and I happen to understand how a return policy works (the same applies for a manufacturors return).....its not down to you to prove you didnt drop it its down to the review to prove you did..... all i originally mentioned was try return it and see what they say.....if theres physical damage internally you'd be hard pressed to say you didnt drop it, but if something has just come lose you could argue that it worked its way lose thats all....
I quite frankly dont give a sh*t about the moral element (which is what seemed to be the issue)
At the end of the day all that will happen is they will either repair it for free or they wont.....f**K me!
And if you actually read my post, I never said rooting and custom ROMs was illegal but companies like HTC and whoever dont spend millions on development of encryption and preventative measures for sh*ts and giggles mate, they do it to prevent a a mass influx of devices getting returned due to missuse/bad flashes (amongst other things).....they wont openly just accept devices that have been tamperred with as its not good business sense....so whilst not illegal you try return a phone thats had a change of software/HBOOT/Whatever and see you willing they are to accept it.......errr not very.....hence the reason why so many people ask about unrooting etc !
Now pi55 off

Hot_Hands said:
What the hell are you talking about? Cut out the strawman arguments. I've never bricked a phone out of negligence and when I've cracked a screen I've fixed it out of pocket. This has nothing to do with custom roms.
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Oooooooo !!!
lol whoever said you did ? But plenty of people on here have and its primarily deemed ok to return a phone on that basis.....but not on damaged hardware basis?!
And by your own admission.....
If you drop your phone thats damage due to neglect
If you flash a rom and it goes bad thats damage due to missuse
But the principal is the same....damage is damage and the hot topic was about returning a damaged phone.....my missus works in insurance and I happen to understand how a return policy works (the same applies for a manufacturors return).....its not down to you to prove you didnt drop it its down to the review to prove you did..... all i originally mentioned was try return it and see what they say.....if theres physical damage internally you'd be hard pressed to say you didnt drop it, but if something has just come lose you could argue that it worked its way lose thats all....
I quite frankly dont give a sh*t about the moral element (which is what seemed to be the issue)
At the end of the day all that will happen is they will either repair it for free or they wont.....f**K me!
And if you actually read my post, I never said rooting and custom ROMs was illegal but companies like HTC and whoever dont spend millions on development of encryption and preventative measures for sh*ts and giggles mate, they do it to prevent a a mass influx of devices getting returned due to missuse/bad flashes (amongst other things).....they wont openly just accept devices that have been tamperred with as its not good business sense....so whilst not illegal you try return a phone thats had a change of software/HBOOT/Whatever and see you willing they are to accept it.......errr not very.....hence the reason why so many people ask about unrooting etc !
Now pi55 off

Hot_Hands said:
And last I checked (in America) rooting, custom roms and all that wasn't illegal. I just hate the rampant fraud on xda that ****s up legitimate returns and pushes manufacturers to add more and more security.
Edit: wrong thread
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Look I agree on the fraud side but were not talking about throwing your phone on the floor whenever you want a new one, or regularly taking the pi55 with bogus claims but sometimes accidents happen and why after paying for insurance shouldnt you be entitled to a replacement irrespective of the reason the damage came about?
And as much as much as I love the products etc I have yet to receive one that works 100% from the offset (and i have to put up with and accept this....and who's stood fighting my corner as a consumer?) .....see my post 'desire behaving badly'. I paid £420 for a phone and havent touched it (in terms of root etc) yet it still has faults and i negate this fact by occasionaly bending the rules and maybe getting a replacement.....its swings and round abouts......
If you have a problem with that, thats fine........I dont.

Sprint service and repair policy FACTS

Copypasta from the Photon forum:
If juggs knows how to flash a pre-rooted on an unlocked phone he hasn't shared it and would much rather post that the workaround is bull****. I'm not really in the mood for this crap. I put up with a lot of BS when working on HDMwIn and FullHDMI. I have deleted the guide, Evo Desktop, Sprint S&R policy threads and other contribs. Don't expect any other projects from me to be posted on xda.

7. If you bring you rooted phone in for service because you screwed up I will try to fix it but reserve the right to laugh at you, unroot your phone and flash it to the latest software and laugh at you some more.
I lol'd.

Goth_ said:
7. If you bring you rooted phone in for service because you screwed up I will try to fix it but reserve the right to laugh at you, unroot your phone and flash it to the latest software and laugh at you some more.
I lol'd.
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lmao!!! BUT JUST remember. not every tech will know everything about rooting. We try. but sometimes, we just don't have time in our lives.
but still. LOL!!!!! ON THE screwing it up part.... the customer should be billed for a trouble ticket. It isn't sprints responsibility to fix the customers mistakes.

runcool said:
not every tech will know everything about rooting. We try. but sometimes, we just don't have time in our lives.
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Agreed. Considering the level of experience I have with deving and testing it's even more frustrating as an ISC tech. ISC techs are generally ignored and denied Sprint forum access simply because they don't work at a corporate location.
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the customer should be billed for a trouble ticket. It isn't sprints responsibility to fix the customers mistakes.
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I agree with this point as well however it can be very difficult and time consuming to dig through the phone to see if it's a corrupt ROM, incompatible app and so on or just user error.

what about if you have a hardware problem (usb port) and you've already taken the phone apart?

thedudejdog said:
what about if you have a hardware problem (usb port) and you've already taken the phone apart?
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If the tamper sticker is missing that puts the burden of proof of "customer tampering" on the service department. Expect the phone to be thoroughly inspected for signs of tampering. If no evidence can be found then it's treated as any other device.
My two questions to you are: Why was the phone disassembled and are the solder points (aka pads) on the board intact? The first one is because I'm curious but the second determines if the device damage is classified as defect (pads intact) or abuse (pads missing or pulled up from the board).

Lokifish Marz said:
If the tamper sticker is missing that puts the burden of proof of "customer tampering" on the service department. Expect the phone to be thoroughly inspected for signs of tampering. If no evidence can be found then it's treated as any other device.
My two questions to you are: Why was the phone disassembled and are the solder points (aka pads) on the board intact? The first one is because I'm curious but the second determines if the device damage is classified as defect (pads intact) or abuse (pads missing or pulled up from the board).
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the phone was taken apart to sand the black paint off the rim to make the phone red. clearly tampered with
i didn't think to check the usb port while i was inside the phone but i know it's my fault. i used a cheap off-brand car charger one time and ever since then it's been loose.
my question mostly leads to, is it worth it keep my TEP for $7/month when my phone won't be able to be repaired because the tamper sticker is gone and it shows very awesome and visible signs or customer tampering.

once you like do something like that, WHY ON EARTH would you pay 7 bucks a month? LMAO! OMG. lol. However, YOU CAN just say you lost the phone. haha. But if it is a cool tech, maybe he'll cut you some slack if you tell him you'll pay up whatever is needed to fix the issue.

Thanks for the info guys

Sooo, I have a question for you. I've been trying to deal with this for over a week now. The battery life on my Evo has been horrid as of late. I've had the phone for a little under a year now. I'm not exaclty a n00b. I know how to flash ROMs, kernels, ect. Battery life was never really a problem (not the best, but I knew what to expect). I could get around 22-26 hours with moderate use on a normal day. All of a sudden (since flashing a sense 3.0 ROM) my battery life was took a complete dump. I'm lucky to get around 6 hours of use now. The battery drains almost 15% in about 5 minutes after being unplugged from the charger and exponentially after that.
I already unrooted the phone, rooted it again, flashed a new ROM, and nothing seems to help. I took the phone to Sprint and they said the phone and battery checked out perfectly fine. Well, I'm not buying it as obviously something here is not right. If it's not the battery then it's the phone and they should be able to give me a replacement as I'm stil under the 1 year manufacturer warrenty that they do indeed cover correct?
Well, I dropped off the phone today for over 2 hours only to have it returned, not replaced, and told they "updated" it. I'm still having the same exact issue so what do I need to do/tell these people to have the phone replaced!?
Thanks!

illatwill said:
Sooo, I have a question for you. I've been trying to deal with this for over a week now. The battery life on my Evo has been horrid as of late. I've had the phone for a little under a year now. I'm not exaclty a n00b. I know how to flash ROMs, kernels, ect. Battery life was never really a problem (not the best, but I knew what to expect). I could get around 22-26 hours with moderate use on a normal day. All of a sudden (since flashing a sense 3.0 ROM) my battery life was took a complete dump. I'm lucky to get around 6 hours of use now. The battery drains almost 15% in about 5 minutes after being unplugged from the charger and exponentially after that.
I already unrooted the phone, rooted it again, flashed a new ROM, and nothing seems to help. I took the phone to Sprint and they said the phone and battery checked out perfectly fine. Well, I'm not buying it as obviously something here is not right. If it's not the battery then it's the phone and they should be able to give me a replacement as I'm stil under the 1 year manufacturer warrenty that they do indeed cover correct?
Well, I dropped off the phone today for over 2 hours only to have it returned, not replaced, and told they "updated" it. I'm still having the same exact issue so what do I need to do/tell these people to have the phone replaced!?
Thanks!
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To clear some things up. A proper battery test takes 6-8 hours, any store tell you otherwise they're full of it. It's also generally agreed that any ROM/Kernel change needs atleast 2 days of use before you can trust battery life results. In addition, a battery calibration should be the first thing done with a ROM/Kernel change.
I personally feel that if a user flashes a custom ROM/Kernel and it has an adverse and unresolvable effect on the phone that it should not be covered however Sprint rooted phone policy says otherwise. You also have to consider that any replacement will end up being a refurb and I'm not sure how things are where you are but I wouldn't take a refub in my regoin unless I had no choice.

Lokifish Marz said:
7. If you bring you rooted phone in for service because you screwed up I will try to fix it but reserve the right to laugh at you, unroot your phone and flash it to the latest software and laugh at you some more.
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Probably the best rule in the list!!

Lokifish Marz said:
2. You are not eligible for replacement/repair because you device is scratched, dirty, or the paint is wearing off
4. TEP, ESRP covers, at no charge: defective/cracked screens with no more than 2 cracks that are less than 1 inch long, mechanical or electrical failure, broken hinge/lens/port (provided the mainboard still functions and in the case of ports, the solder pads are not missing from the board). If you don't have TEP or ESRP or it's $35.
5. TEP/ERP covers device replacement with the payment of a $50 or $100 deductible in the following cases: screen has more than two cracks, screen has cracks more than 1 inch long, liquid damage, housing has more than two cracks, flip assembly or keyboard is separated or missing, total device failure, circuit board damage (like the microusb connector's solder pads missing from the board), smashed, lost/stolen. If you don't have TEP or ERP, you have to buy a new phone.
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in reference to # 2,4 and 5. I dropped my phone (EVO 4G) and got it replaced with TEP and paying the $120 deductible about 3 weeks ago. The phone now has a 3/4 of an inch long curved scratch on the screen. (i thought it had gorilla glass) so would this be covered as per # 4 or is it once again a deductible for the phone as outlined in # 5 above.
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twospirits said:
in reference to # 2,4 and 5. I dropped my phone (EVO 4G) and got it replaced with TEP and paying the $120 deductible about 3 weeks ago. The phone now has a 3/4 of an inch long curved scratch on the screen. (i thought it had gorilla glass) so would this be covered as per # 4 or is it once again a deductible for the phone as outlined in # 5 above.
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The screen, as I was told, has a higher silica content than Gorilla Glass so it is more prone to cracks and scratches. The bad part is that scratches, even on the screen, fall under #2.

Thanks for posting this man!
I was thinking about taking my EVO (rooted) in for service, having a hard time charging it.. Only thing that's been holding me back: I do not want my phone returned un-rooted..
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One question... Why didn't Sprint even wanna touch my phone anymore when they saw it was rooted?
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brennod10 said:
One question... Why didn't Sprint even wanna touch my phone anymore when they saw it was rooted?
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Item #1 on the list. SPRINT SERVICES ROOTED PHONES. Company Policy. ANY store tell you otherwise they are WRONG. Tell them to check the Device Solutions Portal.

Updated first post regarding Nexus/Shift replacements for defective Evo's

this is very interesting. I am a care rep, and we always get 90000 different stories about the stores. The real bad ones are the indirect stores... i have heard some horror stories from customers about them that i can hardly even believe... But thank you for clearing some of this up. AND!!! i hope you guys call NSS instead of having the customer calling us when they come into your store with issues.

Lokifish Marz please help!
My EVO is having screen separation issues. It started as light leakage and has gotten worse. When you press the capacitive buttons you can feel the glass move and squeak. I currently do not have tep and was wondering what my options are. The phone is 8 months old. I know there is a signup window for tep for any phone starting August 1st. So if geting my phone repaired or replaced will require tep that would be nice to know. Also since this is a known issue would this qualify them being able to trade up a Nexus s or shift? Thanks for your help!
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[Q] How do I short circuit my E4GT? (serious)

Long story short, I flashed a boatloader for the european version of the phone and my phone is bricked.
I want to know how to short circuit my phone without making it look intentional. I am not insured but I do have warrenty, if I short circuit the phone, will they be able to fix it in the sprint store? I am really hoping they don't. I just want a new phone. I was told that I was have to pay a $35 fee to get the phone fixed, what do you guys think? BEst way to short circuit this phone? (Not with water please)
UPDATE:
So my cuz and I went to the sprint store and his friend saw the phone and the first thing he asked if it was rooted, I said yeah. He couldn't fix it, but said he will take care of it when exchanging it and since I didn't have insurance, I had to pay the $35 warranty exchange. Furthermore, I added the insurance with the exhange, I am picking up the exchanged phone tomorrow because it had to be ordered.
Thanks a lot guys for the help.

This is why im glad i have insurance if i brick it its at the bottom of a lake. What warranty. As he said even download mode warns you of the possible warranty voiding. Least expensive option now is probably repair.

Besides the things I'd like to say about this situation, I'll say something else. It won't go into download mode? You could try getting a USB jig and see if that will force it into download mode. I'm holding back the temptation to say something really smartass. This was a very expensive lesson, huh? Sending it in to unbrick it, if all else fails, is your last resort. With a $500 phone, you can't afford NOT to get insurance for it?! Even if you had insurance, you wouldn't get a brand new phone.
I'm not trying to be a ****, so don't take it that way.

im referring to the 1 year warrenty that comes with the phone, it protections against defections in the phone. If I short circuit it, it will be defected... no more useless comments please, don't remind me of what I already know; I know that I should have gotten the insurance, enough said about that.
Would really appreciate it if someone could actually answer my question

newalker, would sprint be able to tell that the phone is rooted if i shorted out to the point that it wont turn on? was thinking about using a 9 volt battery to do so.

sabatheman said:
im referring to the 1 year warrenty that comes with the phone, it protections against defections in the phone. If I short circuit it, it will be defected... no more useless comments please, don't remind me of what I already know; I know that I should have gotten the insurance, enough said about that.
Would really appreciate it if someone could actually answer my question
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If you fry the usb port theyll blame it on you using an aftermarket charger since your stock one is fine. You probably wont be lucky enough to even keep them from checking the rom status. You have a phone capable of being repaired by samsung soon you may have nothing.
The warranty covering defects was voided by a custom rom. The reason they wont honor it after rooting or custom rom is things such as overclocking. Many things can be done via software that would normally be replaced as defective.
If you cant make it so they never find out then all warrantys are null and void period. Truth and fact.

how do I get this 35 dollar exchange done sir? How can I get the 35 dollar exchange w/o them finding out I rooted the phone? :/ been such a stressful week, been bricked for a week. What's the BEST thing I can do right now in my situation?>

sabatheman said:
how do I get this 35 dollar exchange done sir? How can I get the 35 dollar exchange w/o them finding out I rooted the phone? :/ been such a stressful week, been bricked for a week. What's the BEST thing I can do right now in my situation?>
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If you haven't read these two threads, I'd suggest doing so. Neither thread has lead to a solution yet (other than getting the phone replaced).
help - I did something bad
I screwed up / Installing ICS for international SGS2
Good luck...

I will leave this here as well. This is the SGS2 i9100 USB driver. It is a rar file. You will need to extract it and install. See if Odin will recognize the phone after installing. Please report back....
http://db.tt/g8hP2llV
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#1 --- Avoid Flashing Cooked ROMS on your phone...live with stock!!! I do and havn't had any problems at all..
Seems like there are more people complaining about all theses cooked ROMS and how they either work perfectly...or suck some way or another or have tons of glichs.
#2 --- Always, and I mean Always get $8 insurance on a Smartphone, in the long run this will save your ass...big time...
#3 --- People look at the 2 year contact price of the phone...not the really price of the phone (which is $549 I believe) and thats what gets them in trouble...ahhh my phones only $200 or less, I dont need insurance...yet if you break your phone you have a POS brick weight...that will now cost you over $500 to replace...or you could pay $8 a month and if something goes wrong, The Sprint Repair Center will fix it free...or replace it with a refurb unit....Even if you make a claim due to water damage or something, its still cheaper than the $500+ dollars you will have to fork out...

JohnCorleone said:
I will leave this here as well. This is the SGS2 i9100 USB driver. It is a rar file. You will need to extract it and install. See if Odin will recognize the phone after installing. Please report back....
http://db.tt/g8hP2llV
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Your one smart guy John. You have helped me a several times with some responses to my questions and I really appreciate it. If your idea works you’ll make a quite a few people happy on here. Seen a handful of these issues with people flashing the Int versions. If this doesn’t work I would use the 9V battery idea and run it across the board.

sabatheman said:
If I short circuit it, it will be defected...
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edit,... not worth the time
This is why you READ, and READ some more!!!

I dare you to bring it to my store. Nothing gets passed a well trained tech. Your best bet is to go to an advanced exchange only store, the reps are not trained like the techs. Pay the 35 and call it a day. As for the microwave comment, solder points get a white residue on them after being microwaved, to a trained tech it looks like corrosion.
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Sorry, not to be n [email protected]@hole here, because what happened to you really sucks, but if you screwed up your phone by doing something dangerous without doing proper research (ie: try to flash something designed for the European Galaxy S2 onto an Epic touch), why should Sprint eat the cost and give you a replacement phone? I mean you are basically asking for a way to cheat Sprint.
Something to consider. I really do feel for you and hope somehow someone comes up with a fix.

the best easy to do what ur asking and not get caught would be to take a fully charged 18v battery from a drill, 2 wires either stripped on both end or to make it easier put alligator crimps.on each end and hook the battery to the terminals on back of phone where battery usually touches and then hit the power button on your phone. it will leave no trace and even if it does get powered up its well enough outside the read parameters to where nobody can catch it. ive seen this done already to atleast 7 or 8 phones. have fun
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Pay to get it jtaged i don't know how many people have done this we are not illiterate? On topic leave it a a hit place my fiance forgot her phone in the car when it was hot really hot and it messed up.
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So sprint covers rooted phones but doesn't cover physically damaged phones......try telling the truth and not being an idiot and listening to almost anyone else here. 9v battery? Really?
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TheShackSpecialist said:
9v battery? Really?
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wrong radio shack, 18 volt
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Aren't you able to add insurance on your phone at any time??
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Yes you can but it would look suspicious if the phone needed work shortly after the insurance kicked in.

[Q][Asurion]Question before I send back my freshly dropped E4GT

So I dropped my phone today and cracked the screen. Already made the claim, listed a major crack or multiple cracks, blah blah blah.
What I'm wondering is this: Since it's obviously hardware damage and in no way linked to software, should I even worry about flashing back to stock before I send it in? If so would it not be just as easy, and in a sick/twisted way fulfilling, to just render the screen completely unusable after I activate the replacement? I'm thinking as long as the screen is inoperable they won't even worry about firmware/modem/etc, but wonder if that's just me being naive.
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Asurion could care less if it's rooted/ROM'd, etc... It's not their job to care. Even if the damage to the phone was caused by rooting, like a hard brick or something, they would still replace it. It's incidental damage, which is what they cover.

_MetalHead_ said:
Asurion could care less if it's rooted/ROM'd, etc... It's not their job to care. Even if the damage to the phone was caused by rooting, like a hard brick or something, they would still replace it. It's incidental damage, which is what they cover.
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You are the man. I figured as much, just wanted the highly regarded opinion of some XDA members . Anyways, thanks for the quick reply.
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_MetalHead_ is correct, I recently cracked a E4GT just like you and it was rooted.
Asurion does not care, send it in.

rpnunez said:
_MetalHead_ is correct, I recently cracked a E4GT just like you and it was rooted.
Asurion does not care, send it in.
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Thanks for the additional input.
So really the only people who would care are the service techs if its a software problem or some issue they can write off on rooting? I know it voids your warranty, but who if anyone would care at all?
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This is some good information to know just in case this exact circumstance may happen to others. I thought there was an FCC rule stating that rooting/jailbreaking a phone was allowable?

Dude if you a bit technical, you can swap the lcd and send back the refurbish mother board back to them with the crack screen, unles you are having sw issues or you have them send the device activated already, then just keep the refurbish unit
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elephant007 said:
This is some good information to know just in case this exact circumstance may happen to others. I thought there was an FCC rule stating that rooting/jailbreaking a phone was allowable?
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I remember hearing the buzz
about this when it was fresh, albeit the exact details are eluding me. Anyways, the legality of rooting is no longer in question when you sign that 2-year contract. Yes you are in the legal clear to root, but the contract states clearly that rooting will void your warranty
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Dude if you a bit technical, you can swap the lcd and send back the refurbish mother board back to them with the crack screen, unles you are having sw issues or you have them send the device activated already, then just keep the refurbish unit
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I don't doubt for a second the possibility of doing so, however I've yet to have an issue with a refurbished phone. Yes I'll have to reroot, relocate my data, etc. but I'm sure all of that will take a fraction of the time it'll take me to swap out screens. Although I do see some of the perks for those that are far more technologically inclined, as you're basically refurbing your own phone. But for $100 I expect to get more than just a new screen. These scratches are just plain ugly all around the bezel and on the battery door.
Thanks for the advice though, just because it isn't right for me doesn't mean someone else won't find it useful in some way, shape or form.
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mdhscanes24 said:
I remember hearing the buzz
about this when it was fresh, albeit the exact details are eluding me. Anyways, the legality of rooting is no longer in question when you sign that 2-year contract. Yes you are in the legal clear to root, but the contract states clearly that rooting will void your warranty
I don't doubt for a second the possibility of doing so, however I've yet to have an issue with a refurbished phone. Yes I'll have to reroot, relocate my data, etc. but I'm sure all of that will take a fraction of the time it'll take me to swap out screens. Although I do see some of the perks for those that are far more technologically inclined, as you're basically refurbing your own phone. But for $100 I expect to get more than just a new screen. These scratches are just plain ugly all around the bezel and on the battery door.
Thanks for the advice though, just because it isn't right for me doesn't mean someone else won't find it useful in some way, shape or form.
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No problem I had so refurbish issues before, so I try to go that route
ICS E4GT

So my next thought is if by some chance I brick the phone before I send it back, will that have any affect in itself? I'm debating on using my 10 day window to see if by flashing from ICS to GB to see if there's any information I can find to share with our devs as to what's bricking everybody. That is, only if there is any actual information that that could provide. If not I'll just let this horse die and just migrate to the next handset quietly.
Obviously if I could I'd just donate the phone to one of you guys as a spare to try tinkering with, but Asurion takes insurance fraud quite personally from what their site says
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You can brick it, submerge it in water, drive over it with your Hummer H1, toss it out a 10 story window, microwave it, urinate all over it and then send it back to them and it would make no difference.

Gotcha, as long as they get the phone they could care less about its actual condition.
Now would it even be helpful to flash back and forth grabbing logcats along the way or is it pretty much at a point where only source will help?
I'd like to contribute some how, figured maybe that could be my start.
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