I was hoping some of you could decisively wrap up these issues for an Android newb...
ClockworkMod - What is it and what exactly does it do?
Amon RA - How is it different than ClockworkMod?
In ROM Manager, the "Flash Latest Recovery" option shows CWM v3.0.0.4 as my current and v2.6.0.1 as the latest. Why has the version been reverted?
What is a NANDROID backup? I gather that Amon RA makes a NANDROID backup, but CWM does not. Does this mean CWM backups are less thorough?
In the Amon RA recovery console, there is an option for "Nand backup" and another for "Nand + ext backup". What's the difference?
Following up with the previous question: I understand ext is a partition on my phone (I understand that much from using Linux a little). I have not changed the partition since buying the phone - is it recommended that I re-partition? What would be the ideal setup?
That's it for now. I appreciate all the help.
I never received any feedback on this post and I think it was because the title was very generic. Any help you can give would be appreciated.
NoCatharsis said:
ClockworkMod - What is it and what exactly does it do?
Amon RA - How is it different than ClockworkMod?
In ROM Manager, the "Flash Latest Recovery" option shows CWM v3.0.0.4 as my current and v2.6.0.1 as the latest. Why has the version been reverted?
What is a NANDROID backup? I gather that Amon RA makes a NANDROID backup, but CWM does not. Does this mean CWM backups are less thorough?
In the Amon RA recovery console, there is an option for "Nand backup" and another for "Nand + ext backup". What's the difference?
Following up with the previous question: I understand ext is a partition on my phone (I understand that much from using Linux a little). I have not changed the partition since buying the phone - is it recommended that I re-partition? What would be the ideal setup?
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1. CWM is a custom recovery. It allows you to flash new roms and kernels and make backups of your current setup.
2. Ra is also a custom recovery. I prefer it over CWM. In the old days, if I remember correctly, RA backed up your wimax keys while CWM didn't. Also it was rumored that CWM didn't wipe correctly. Now I think they're pretty much the same. I just like the yellow words over the horrible green that CWM uses.
3. It may have been reverted because of the differences between the partitions on different evos.
4. CWM makes nandroid backups too. They both backup everything. A nandroid backup will back up everything on your phone. It is highly recommended to make a nandroid before you flash anything onto your phone. If it breaks something or bootloops your phone then you can restore that backup and go back to how you were.
5. The nand backs up the phone, the nand+ext backs up the phone and the ext partition on your sd card where your apps are installed.
6. The ext partition is on your sdcard. (IMO) No need for apps2sd unless you have a crazy amount of apps on your phone or you have a bunch of huge games.
NoCatharsis said:
I was hoping some of you could decisively wrap up these issues for an Android newb...
ClockworkMod - What is it and what exactly does it do?
Amon RA - How is it different than ClockworkMod?
In ROM Manager, the "Flash Latest Recovery" option shows CWM v3.0.0.4 as my current and v2.6.0.1 as the latest. Why has the version been reverted?
What is a NANDROID backup? I gather that Amon RA makes a NANDROID backup, but CWM does not. Does this mean CWM backups are less thorough?
In the Amon RA recovery console, there is an option for "Nand backup" and another for "Nand + ext backup". What's the difference?
Following up with the previous question: I understand ext is a partition on my phone (I understand that much from using Linux a little). I have not changed the partition since buying the phone - is it recommended that I re-partition? What would be the ideal setup?
That's it for now. I appreciate all the help.
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Clockwork is a recovery. It does many different things ex. Flashing, Wiping, Partitioning etc.
RA use to be the only one to back up wimax now clockwork has this feature and with RA you was not able to navigate through folders like clockwork but now you can with the new update.
I'm not sure about the 3rd question.
A nandroid is backing up your entire phone so that you can restore if you run into any problems it backs up everything except your splashscreen or ext partition unless you choose to back that up. RA & Clockwork can perform a nandroid Clockwork didn't have the ability to backup wimax keys(4g).
Nand is everything except your partition you use the ext if you use darktremor a2sd it backs up everything and your partition.
Only repartition if you want to install apps to sd, cache, or dalvik to your sd card saves internal space on the phone.
Hope I helped
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1. CWM is a custom recovery. It allows you to flash new roms and kernels and make backups of your current setup.
2. Ra is also a custom recovery. I prefer it over CWM. In the old days, if I remember correctly, RA backed up your wimax keys while CWM didn't. Also it was rumored that CWM didn't wipe correctly. Now I think they're pretty much the same. I just like the yellow words over the horrible green that CWM uses.
3. It may have been reverted because of the differences between the partitions on different evos.
4. CWM makes nandroid backups too. They both backup everything. A nandroid backup will back up everything on your phone. It is highly recommended to make a nandroid before you flash anything onto your phone. If it breaks something or bootloops your phone then you can restore that backup and go back to how you were.
5. The nand backs up the phone, the nand+ext backs up the phone and the ext partition on your sd card where your apps are installed.
6. The ext partition is on your sdcard. (IMO) No need for apps2sd unless you have a crazy amount of apps on your phone or you have a bunch of huge games.
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Buff nailed it great, I'll explain #3.
Clockworkmod team jumped the gun with their 3.0 recoveries betting that all the developers had switched to the newer edify scripts which appeared with Froyo and are required to script a Gigngerbread rom. The older scripting used ammend which is what 90% of the developers are still using. This made the 3.0 based recovery incompatible with 90% of the roms out there so Cloockwork team had to come up with a backward compatible release and numbered it 2.6.01. This is the version you need unless you are going to install the CM7 roms. 2.6.0.1 is compatible with all hboots, all partitions, and backs up and wipes everything Aman RA does so they are pretty much equal. The difference is if you flash the clockworkmod recovery all the features of rom manager will still work, if you flash aman ra, rom manager is useless.
So then at this stage is one better than the other?
I'm still new to "daily" ROM flashing and liked the ROM Manager but heard that RA was better (have that now)
I'd like the ease of switching between ROMs to figure out likes/dislikes.
ucf.elk said:
So then at this stage is one better than the other?
I'm still new to "daily" ROM flashing and liked the ROM Manager but heard that RA was better (have that now)
I'd like the ease of switching between ROMs to figure out likes/dislikes.
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About the same now. I actually prefer coming here and reading threads and manually downloading and flashing my roms over rom manager. I like to see screenies and see changelogs and read feedback.
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Question. I currently have Clockwork for my recovery but now when I try to boot into it via vol up and power it vibrates 3 times and I have to pull the battery and reboot the other way. I think the recovery is broken. Can this be fixed? If I flash Clockwork again will it destroy my recovery images and nand back up? Also, if i switch to Amon can it use clockworks files to back up the phone or do you need to start over? I dont want to lose my original recovery and back up since I rooted. Can anyone help? Also, my Market icon isn't changing anymore with Riptides theme since the new flash. Thanks.
EVO 2.2
Unrevoked Forever
Fresh 3.4.0.1
Netarchy 4.1.9.1 cfs
Riptide 9 Glass Theme v8
It's vol down+power. I think vol up may have worked with an earlier bootloader or firmware, but it definitely doesn't work now.
Also to add on, if you made a backup with ClockworkMod recovery, you cannot restore it with RA recovery.
idk if im rite o no but i dnt thnk ur gona lose thngs if u re install clockwork cuz theres on ur sdcard. idk if im rite o wrng
m3xicanprid3 said:
idk if im rite o no but i dnt thnk ur gona lose thngs if u re install clockwork cuz theres on ur sdcard. idk if im rite o wrng
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Wow that was painful to read...but yes, you are correct. Nandroid backups are stored on the SD card (in different formats for AmonRA or Clockwork, depending on what you used to perform the backup). You do need to use the same recovery to restore a backup that you used to back it up in the first place, but wiping your recovery won't kill any backups you made. Repartitioning or wiping your sd card, however...
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Wow that was painful to read...but yes, you are correct. Nandroid backups are stored on the SD card (in different formats for AmonRA or Clockwork, depending on what you used to perform the backup). You do need to use the same recovery to restore a backup that you used to back it up in the first place, but wiping your recovery won't kill any backups you made. Repartitioning or wiping your sd card, however...
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Did something change recently? Because I could have sworn that I've used them interchangeably. I've had to move the backups to different locations depending on the recovery, but usually I can get them to restore. If I'm not mistaken, they both use Nandroid to perform the backup. I think the biggest difference is ClockworkMod does an MD5 checksum, and Amon doesn't, which can cause problems if you don't disable MD5 check.
Vol down plus power.
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Thanks everyone for the quick responses. Anyone have any idea about the Riptide9 theme not changing all the images though? I cleared it and flashed the theme three times now. Maybe it's the new update...
I still don't think Clockwork wipes the Dalvik/cache/battery
clockwork definitely has problems with dalvik. i use amon. adb is a bit touchy with it, but it is all around better. and also nand backups backup wimax images.
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Where can I get information on exactly how recoveries work? I know what RECOVERY is, I've been using it but I don't know HOW it works. I'm using RA recovery (by accident) and don't want to flash ANYTHING until I learn more about recoveries. Would reinstalling Clockwork replace RA?
BACKGROUND:
I'm a recovering flashaholic and I'm looking for a little education. Recently, I toasted ClockworkMod recovery when flashing EVOnonsense (latest), I'd still like to know how that happens. Afterwards, everytime I returned to CW (through HBOOT or ROM MANAGER) recovery, my Evo would lock up at the white bootscreen. I managed to flash RA recovery from ROM MANAGER (without knowing what the ALTERNATE RECOVERY option in ROM MANAGER did). When my Evo booted into RA, I had no clue what I was looking at (I do now and I like RA more than CW).
Please don't ask me to "Google it", if you don't know, don't answer. Or educate me on "what" to Google. Thank you.
Pretty much nandroid backups are binary snapshots of the OS partitions in the memory of the phone that's saved to your SD card. Much like the programs Acronis Drive Image (good stuff), and Symantecs' Ghost (suckage) does with hard drives. Recovery programs like RA, and Clockwork just do the reading, and writing of the data. Well a few other things added here and there like wiping cache, and Dalvik.
I have read other threads in regards to this but nothing up to date. I wanted to know what is recommended now especially since gingerbread is out. And another question is if I do a nandroid backup in CW can I restore in Ra??
aham83 said:
I have read other threads in regards to this but nothing up to date. I wanted to know what is recommended now especially since gingerbread is out. And another question is if I do a nandroid backup in CW can I restore in Ra??
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Personally I like Amon-Ra better & I believe if you do a backup w/ one recovery you can't restore w/ another one.
IN RA what is the USB-ms Toggle.
aham83 said:
IN RA what is the USB-ms Toggle.
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It mounts your SD card on a conputer
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I like Amon RA better. I have never had a problem with it. I'm still running 1.8 with out any issues and I flash a lot.
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SO i guess the upside to USB-ms toggle that you can mount your sd card while in recovery mode.
Which has better support though CW or RA.. I have read on other posts that RA will not be around much longer. And also that some have dual booted these two together..
its all preferance, both do the same thing, and both are not interchangable when it comes to nandroid backups, that should answer everything
Amon is better looking, but clockwork has support from rom manager. Both backup your wimax keys now.
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SO i guess the upside to USB-ms toggle that you can mount your sd card while in recovery mode.
Which has better support though CW or RA.. I have read on other posts that RA will not be around much longer. And also that some have dual booted these two together..
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Most people on the forums like Amon Ra more. It is less glitchy than CW and it has never let me down. (Clockwork mod totally messed up my Evo once)
But if you want to be a newb and use Rom Manager instead of flashing in the recovery, you need to use ClockworkMod.
I prefer Amon RA
I use Amon's because it is compatible with Fresh Evo.
Clockwork has issues with Fresh Evo. Also, being able to mount SD from recovery is very very nice.
I prefer Amon_RA for two reasons:
1) Its layout makes more sense to me.
2) Selective backup. In CMR you backup your /data, /cache, /system, /boot, wimax, and .android_secure folders/partitions every time, no matter what. In Amon_RA, I can tell it to just backup /data, /system, and /boot, cutting down the size of a backup from 30-50%, nevermind the time it takes to backup/restore. Let's face it, you DON'T need to backup your WiMAX every day, backing up cache is pointless (because the ROM/kernel can just rebuild it later), and .android_secure is on the SD card already (if your SD card goes, how are you going to restore your nandroid anyways?).
And a half-reason: Amon_RA still supports amend and edify scripts, so files like FORMAT_ALL.zip work for it, but not CMR.
Having said that, if you're looking for an easier time, and don't mind pruning your SD card more often, ClockworkMod Recovery is your choice, since it integrates completely with ROM Manager. You just select a ROM in ROM Manager, let it download, tell it to wipe and backup, then come back to your phone in a few minutes and you're in a new ROM.
Eh... i use amon-ra.. but i have had two backups that wouldn't successfully restore (Boot loop). Ended up losing some contacts..
+1 for amon-ra
Cw has given me nothing but problems
I will go out on a limb and say that I use CW, I tried RA, and honestly, I had nothing but problems with it. Looking at a lot of posts, people say that CW never wipes correctly, and I found out on my phone that RA never wiped correctly.
Really it's all a matter of choice though....use what works for you.
I just want to point out that you CAN use ROM Manager to flash even if you have Amon_Ra installed.
I have Ra installed and when a new CM7 Nightly come out, I get a notification, I tap it, and ROM Mananger does the rest.
There are other functions in ROM Manager that don't work unless you have Clockwork installed though, for sure. I just wanted to point that out!
Ra 1.8 has been flawless for me so far. I am moving on to try 2.3, but i don't really know if i want the new complications...
@drmacinyasha, if one goes the 2.3 route, after the initial backup of everything, what is the minimum you would recommend one backs up w/ all the options available?? /data, /system & /boot only? (as you posted)...and why?
Ok. Would I be able to do a nandroid back up and installing it on another EVO. Could that be done with RA or CW???
aham83 said:
Ok. Would I be able to do a nandroid back up and installing it on another EVO. Could that be done with RA or CW???
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I believe it is technically possible but highly discouraged. Some of the things you back up are unique to your phone. I wouldn't do it.
I'm about to backup a rom and wanted to make sure I select the right options to back up because I"m so use to clockwork doing it for me. I know I need boot, system, data, wimax. Do I also need to check recovery and .android_secure? Thanks in advance.
You don't need to; though you can do android secure if you want your apps. Though restoring from titanium basically does the same thing, and cuts down on backup size.
Quick question: I want to flash Anon RA recovery but I already have Clockwork mod installed, do I need to delete clockwork first or can i just flash anon ra from the bootloader no problem? i dont want to run into any problems.
Followup question: for anon ra is there a similar "rom manager" app that works with it?
Longer explanation: Ive been trying out several sense gingerbread roms and noticed how fast i max out my internal memory. I read you can partition the memory card and use an apps to sd card app to fix this, but if you try to partition with clockwork you could potentially brick the phone. even though its been addressed in later versions it looks like it has still happened a couple times and this makes me nervous. plus it seems everyone says anon ra is a better recovery anyway.
Thanks!
You can just flash amon-ra without deleting clockwork. I don't know of a rom manager app for amon-ra but its safer and more thorough to do everything manually in recovery anyway
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Just flash amon ra from Rom manager, its near the bottom, I think it says "flash alternate recovery". And remember, you can't do a nand restore from ra that you made with cwm.
I have to disagree with that, sorry. The best thing to do with Rom Manager is uninstall it. Flash the AR PC36IMG.zip from the AR thread in the Dev section
thanks worked well. deleted rom manager too just to be sure
Installing Amon Ra from ROM Manager or flashing it manually doesn't matter. Either way will yield the same results. But I agree with getting rid of ROM Manager. So make it useful one time to flash Amon Ra before you delete it and then part ways.
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Just beware, in case it wasn't clear, you cannot use backups made with Clockwork on Amon and vice versa. It would be wise to immediately create a new nandroid backup when you switch over to Amon. Don't forget to make an individual Wimax nandroid backup too.
How do you get rid of backups to save space?
I created a clockwork backup but plan on switching to Amon Ra so I want to erase all unnecessary files.