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So what is the different between a nandroid backup and a backup using titanium backup? What is being saved with either? I hear using titanium back up is a "full" backup. What is titanium backup used for if you are already rooted...wouldn't you already have a custom recovery like amon ra or cwm?
If I do a nandroid back up on stock 2.2 rooted, can i do the same back up while I'm on a custom ROM? Where is this "backup" being saved to? Can i have multiple backups for different ROMS?
Nandroid is more like creating an image backup of your operating system, it backs up both your rom and apps. Titanium just backups app, their data and if you choose system settings.
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techdude54 said:
Nandroid is more like creating an image backup of your operating system, it backs up both your rom and apps. Titanium just backups app, their data and if you choose system settings.
Swyped from my EVO running CyanogenMod 6.1 RC 1
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In what situation would i use titanium back up with a rooted evo?
Titanium backs up your app and data from your phone. I am rooted and I use it when I need it, when I want to re install apps when I switch roms.
Using my HTC Evo phone which I'm using Xda app to post
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So what is the different between a nandroid backup and a backup using titanium backup? What is being saved with either? I hear using titanium back up is a "full" backup. What is titanium backup used for if you are already rooted...wouldn't you already have a custom recovery like amon ra or cwm?
If I do a nandroid back up on stock 2.2 rooted, can i do the same back up while I'm on a custom ROM? Where is this "backup" being saved to? Can i have multiple backups for different ROMS?
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Think of Nandroid Backup as a system restore point you would create on your PC and if for some reason you installed something on your PC and it makes your PC unstable, you can do a system restore and go back to when your PC was acting perfectly. (So for your EVO...you create a nandroid...messed around with your phone and screw everything up...Power up into bootloader (or reboot into recovery)...go into recovery and restore your nandroid backup)
Titanium is for you to back everything to your SD card right before you decide to WIPE DATA, CACHE & DALVIK/CACHE to flash a NEW ROM. After you flash the NEW ROM...your phone will be like a new phone you just received out of box...you have to set everything up on it. So instead of spending hours, you swill only spend a few minutes doing everything. 1st and foremost, sign back into Google Market, download Titanium and tell it to restore all apps...data, etc. Not sure if Titanium backups home and system stuff, I use Mybackup Pro and it does...it has everything configured the way I originally had it on the previous ROM...all I do is set up all my POP mail accounts and sign back into Twitter...Facebook...etc.
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Think of Nandroid Backup as a system restore point you would create on your PC and if for some reason you installed something on your PC and it makes your PC unstable, you can do a system restore and go back to when your PC was acting perfectly. (So for your EVO...you create a nandroid...messed around with your phone and screw everything up...Power up into bootloader (or reboot into recovery)...go into recovery and restore your nandroid backup)
Titanium is for you to back everything to your SD card right before you decide to WIPE DATA, CACHE & DALVIK/CACHE to flash a NEW ROM. After you flash the NEW ROM...your phone will be like a new phone you just received out of box...you have to set everything up on it. So instead of spending hours, you swill only spend a few minutes doing everything. 1st and foremost, sign back into Google Market, download Titanium and tell it to restore all apps...data, etc. Not sure if Titanium backups home and system stuff, I use Mybackup Pro and it does...it has everything configured the way I originally had it on the previous ROM...all I do is set up all my POP mail accounts and sign back into Twitter...Facebook...etc.
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okay that makes sense. So whenever i flash a new rom, do I need to download titanium back (or MybackupPro) again on the new rom to get the data back? I can't locate the saved file from my sd card?
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okay that makes sense. So whenever i flash a new rom, do I need to download titanium back (or MybackupPro) again on the new rom to get the data back? I can't locate the saved file from my sd card?
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honeyBfly said:
Think of Nandroid Backup as a system restore point you would create on your PC and if for some reason you installed something on your PC and it makes your PC unstable, you can do a system restore and go back to when your PC was acting perfectly. (So for your EVO...you create a nandroid...messed around with your phone and screw everything up...Power up into bootloader (or reboot into recovery)...go into recovery and restore your nandroid backup)
Titanium is for you to back everything to your SD card right before you decide to WIPE DATA, CACHE & DALVIK/CACHE to flash a NEW ROM. After you flash the NEW ROM...your phone will be like a new phone you just received out of box...you have to set everything up on it. So instead of spending hours, you swill only spend a few minutes doing everything. 1st and foremost, sign back into Google Market, download Titanium and tell it to restore all apps...data, etc. Not sure if Titanium backups home and system stuff, I use Mybackup Pro and it does...it has everything configured the way I originally had it on the previous ROM...all I do is set up all my POP mail accounts and sign back into Twitter...Facebook...etc.
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I use Titanium Backup for backing up data and restoring it on a new ROM a lot. Before I flash a new ROM I always do a complete Titanium Backup and a nandroid backup. If the flash fails I restore from my nandroid backup and if the flash works I load my apps back with Titanium Backup (that way all my saved data on things like games is there and I don't have to start over).
I will caution against doing a restore of everything on a new ROM though (mostly a problem if you're going from something like a stock Evo based ROM to a AOSP ROM). I've had some issues when I restored a few system files (accounts database for example). If you stick with installable applications you shouldn't run into any trouble though (also I've had no problems restoring my call log and text message database).
When you are in Titanium Backup, when you hit menu and select more you can create a flashable .zip so that after flashing a new rom or resetting the device you don't have to log into the market to reinstall. Makes life a lot easier.
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When you are in Titanium Backup, when you hit menu and select more you can create a flashable .zip so that after flashing a new rom or resetting the device you don't have to log into the market to reinstall. Makes life a lot easier.
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I didn't know that, thanks for the tip.
What does clockwork do exactly when it comes to backing up your data? Does it just do the important files or the entire phone?
REAL QUESTION:
I have viper rom installed. When the real froyo gets released or an updated Viper rom is release, what do I do?
1. Do I use clockwork to do ALL my backup and restoring? If not, what programs do I use?
2. I have some apps installed on the microsd card too, what app will restore those files once I flash my phone with a new rom?
3. everytime I do a backup with clockwork, do the older backups get erased?
4. What are your suggestions on how I should do my backup?
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What does clockwork do exactly when it comes to backing up your data? Does it just do the important files or the entire phone?
REAL QUESTION:
I have viper rom installed. When the real froyo gets released or an updated Viper rom is release, what do I do?
1. Do I use clockwork to do ALL my backup and restoring? If not, what programs do I use?
2. I have some apps installed on the microsd card too, what app will restore those files once I flash my phone with a new rom?
3. everytime I do a backup with clockwork, do the older backups get erased?
4. What are your suggestions on how I should do my backup?
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CWM (Clockwork Mod) performs a full backup of all system data, which includes the ROM and Kernel, any theme you have installed, all apps and their respective data, as well as any other settings. I would not suggest using only clockwork for your backups, a program such as Titanium Backup would be a better bet in case your NAND gets corrupted, which would disable your ability to restore from backup. Clockworkmod and Titanium Backup can both backup and restore apps on the sdcard, so I wouldn't worry about that. The backups in clockwork are concurrent, meaning that each time you do a new one it saves it as a completely separate backup containing only the files that you backed up on that occasion. I personally use clockwork for large backups such as individual ROMs, and then titanium for my apps and data. I hope this helps, feel free to pm me if you have any more questions/need more explanations!
I was hoping some of you could decisively wrap up these issues for an Android newb...
ClockworkMod - What is it and what exactly does it do?
Amon RA - How is it different than ClockworkMod?
In ROM Manager, the "Flash Latest Recovery" option shows CWM v3.0.0.4 as my current and v2.6.0.1 as the latest. Why has the version been reverted?
What is a NANDROID backup? I gather that Amon RA makes a NANDROID backup, but CWM does not. Does this mean CWM backups are less thorough?
In the Amon RA recovery console, there is an option for "Nand backup" and another for "Nand + ext backup". What's the difference?
Following up with the previous question: I understand ext is a partition on my phone (I understand that much from using Linux a little). I have not changed the partition since buying the phone - is it recommended that I re-partition? What would be the ideal setup?
That's it for now. I appreciate all the help.
I never received any feedback on this post and I think it was because the title was very generic. Any help you can give would be appreciated.
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ClockworkMod - What is it and what exactly does it do?
Amon RA - How is it different than ClockworkMod?
In ROM Manager, the "Flash Latest Recovery" option shows CWM v3.0.0.4 as my current and v2.6.0.1 as the latest. Why has the version been reverted?
What is a NANDROID backup? I gather that Amon RA makes a NANDROID backup, but CWM does not. Does this mean CWM backups are less thorough?
In the Amon RA recovery console, there is an option for "Nand backup" and another for "Nand + ext backup". What's the difference?
Following up with the previous question: I understand ext is a partition on my phone (I understand that much from using Linux a little). I have not changed the partition since buying the phone - is it recommended that I re-partition? What would be the ideal setup?
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1. CWM is a custom recovery. It allows you to flash new roms and kernels and make backups of your current setup.
2. Ra is also a custom recovery. I prefer it over CWM. In the old days, if I remember correctly, RA backed up your wimax keys while CWM didn't. Also it was rumored that CWM didn't wipe correctly. Now I think they're pretty much the same. I just like the yellow words over the horrible green that CWM uses.
3. It may have been reverted because of the differences between the partitions on different evos.
4. CWM makes nandroid backups too. They both backup everything. A nandroid backup will back up everything on your phone. It is highly recommended to make a nandroid before you flash anything onto your phone. If it breaks something or bootloops your phone then you can restore that backup and go back to how you were.
5. The nand backs up the phone, the nand+ext backs up the phone and the ext partition on your sd card where your apps are installed.
6. The ext partition is on your sdcard. (IMO) No need for apps2sd unless you have a crazy amount of apps on your phone or you have a bunch of huge games.
NoCatharsis said:
I was hoping some of you could decisively wrap up these issues for an Android newb...
ClockworkMod - What is it and what exactly does it do?
Amon RA - How is it different than ClockworkMod?
In ROM Manager, the "Flash Latest Recovery" option shows CWM v3.0.0.4 as my current and v2.6.0.1 as the latest. Why has the version been reverted?
What is a NANDROID backup? I gather that Amon RA makes a NANDROID backup, but CWM does not. Does this mean CWM backups are less thorough?
In the Amon RA recovery console, there is an option for "Nand backup" and another for "Nand + ext backup". What's the difference?
Following up with the previous question: I understand ext is a partition on my phone (I understand that much from using Linux a little). I have not changed the partition since buying the phone - is it recommended that I re-partition? What would be the ideal setup?
That's it for now. I appreciate all the help.
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Clockwork is a recovery. It does many different things ex. Flashing, Wiping, Partitioning etc.
RA use to be the only one to back up wimax now clockwork has this feature and with RA you was not able to navigate through folders like clockwork but now you can with the new update.
I'm not sure about the 3rd question.
A nandroid is backing up your entire phone so that you can restore if you run into any problems it backs up everything except your splashscreen or ext partition unless you choose to back that up. RA & Clockwork can perform a nandroid Clockwork didn't have the ability to backup wimax keys(4g).
Nand is everything except your partition you use the ext if you use darktremor a2sd it backs up everything and your partition.
Only repartition if you want to install apps to sd, cache, or dalvik to your sd card saves internal space on the phone.
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1. CWM is a custom recovery. It allows you to flash new roms and kernels and make backups of your current setup.
2. Ra is also a custom recovery. I prefer it over CWM. In the old days, if I remember correctly, RA backed up your wimax keys while CWM didn't. Also it was rumored that CWM didn't wipe correctly. Now I think they're pretty much the same. I just like the yellow words over the horrible green that CWM uses.
3. It may have been reverted because of the differences between the partitions on different evos.
4. CWM makes nandroid backups too. They both backup everything. A nandroid backup will back up everything on your phone. It is highly recommended to make a nandroid before you flash anything onto your phone. If it breaks something or bootloops your phone then you can restore that backup and go back to how you were.
5. The nand backs up the phone, the nand+ext backs up the phone and the ext partition on your sd card where your apps are installed.
6. The ext partition is on your sdcard. (IMO) No need for apps2sd unless you have a crazy amount of apps on your phone or you have a bunch of huge games.
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Buff nailed it great, I'll explain #3.
Clockworkmod team jumped the gun with their 3.0 recoveries betting that all the developers had switched to the newer edify scripts which appeared with Froyo and are required to script a Gigngerbread rom. The older scripting used ammend which is what 90% of the developers are still using. This made the 3.0 based recovery incompatible with 90% of the roms out there so Cloockwork team had to come up with a backward compatible release and numbered it 2.6.01. This is the version you need unless you are going to install the CM7 roms. 2.6.0.1 is compatible with all hboots, all partitions, and backs up and wipes everything Aman RA does so they are pretty much equal. The difference is if you flash the clockworkmod recovery all the features of rom manager will still work, if you flash aman ra, rom manager is useless.
So then at this stage is one better than the other?
I'm still new to "daily" ROM flashing and liked the ROM Manager but heard that RA was better (have that now)
I'd like the ease of switching between ROMs to figure out likes/dislikes.
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So then at this stage is one better than the other?
I'm still new to "daily" ROM flashing and liked the ROM Manager but heard that RA was better (have that now)
I'd like the ease of switching between ROMs to figure out likes/dislikes.
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About the same now. I actually prefer coming here and reading threads and manually downloading and flashing my roms over rom manager. I like to see screenies and see changelogs and read feedback.
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I have read other threads in regards to this but nothing up to date. I wanted to know what is recommended now especially since gingerbread is out. And another question is if I do a nandroid backup in CW can I restore in Ra??
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I have read other threads in regards to this but nothing up to date. I wanted to know what is recommended now especially since gingerbread is out. And another question is if I do a nandroid backup in CW can I restore in Ra??
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Personally I like Amon-Ra better & I believe if you do a backup w/ one recovery you can't restore w/ another one.
IN RA what is the USB-ms Toggle.
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IN RA what is the USB-ms Toggle.
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It mounts your SD card on a conputer
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I like Amon RA better. I have never had a problem with it. I'm still running 1.8 with out any issues and I flash a lot.
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SO i guess the upside to USB-ms toggle that you can mount your sd card while in recovery mode.
Which has better support though CW or RA.. I have read on other posts that RA will not be around much longer. And also that some have dual booted these two together..
its all preferance, both do the same thing, and both are not interchangable when it comes to nandroid backups, that should answer everything
Amon is better looking, but clockwork has support from rom manager. Both backup your wimax keys now.
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SO i guess the upside to USB-ms toggle that you can mount your sd card while in recovery mode.
Which has better support though CW or RA.. I have read on other posts that RA will not be around much longer. And also that some have dual booted these two together..
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Most people on the forums like Amon Ra more. It is less glitchy than CW and it has never let me down. (Clockwork mod totally messed up my Evo once)
But if you want to be a newb and use Rom Manager instead of flashing in the recovery, you need to use ClockworkMod.
I prefer Amon RA
I use Amon's because it is compatible with Fresh Evo.
Clockwork has issues with Fresh Evo. Also, being able to mount SD from recovery is very very nice.
I prefer Amon_RA for two reasons:
1) Its layout makes more sense to me.
2) Selective backup. In CMR you backup your /data, /cache, /system, /boot, wimax, and .android_secure folders/partitions every time, no matter what. In Amon_RA, I can tell it to just backup /data, /system, and /boot, cutting down the size of a backup from 30-50%, nevermind the time it takes to backup/restore. Let's face it, you DON'T need to backup your WiMAX every day, backing up cache is pointless (because the ROM/kernel can just rebuild it later), and .android_secure is on the SD card already (if your SD card goes, how are you going to restore your nandroid anyways?).
And a half-reason: Amon_RA still supports amend and edify scripts, so files like FORMAT_ALL.zip work for it, but not CMR.
Having said that, if you're looking for an easier time, and don't mind pruning your SD card more often, ClockworkMod Recovery is your choice, since it integrates completely with ROM Manager. You just select a ROM in ROM Manager, let it download, tell it to wipe and backup, then come back to your phone in a few minutes and you're in a new ROM.
Eh... i use amon-ra.. but i have had two backups that wouldn't successfully restore (Boot loop). Ended up losing some contacts..
+1 for amon-ra
Cw has given me nothing but problems
I will go out on a limb and say that I use CW, I tried RA, and honestly, I had nothing but problems with it. Looking at a lot of posts, people say that CW never wipes correctly, and I found out on my phone that RA never wiped correctly.
Really it's all a matter of choice though....use what works for you.
I just want to point out that you CAN use ROM Manager to flash even if you have Amon_Ra installed.
I have Ra installed and when a new CM7 Nightly come out, I get a notification, I tap it, and ROM Mananger does the rest.
There are other functions in ROM Manager that don't work unless you have Clockwork installed though, for sure. I just wanted to point that out!
Ra 1.8 has been flawless for me so far. I am moving on to try 2.3, but i don't really know if i want the new complications...
@drmacinyasha, if one goes the 2.3 route, after the initial backup of everything, what is the minimum you would recommend one backs up w/ all the options available?? /data, /system & /boot only? (as you posted)...and why?
Ok. Would I be able to do a nandroid back up and installing it on another EVO. Could that be done with RA or CW???
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Ok. Would I be able to do a nandroid back up and installing it on another EVO. Could that be done with RA or CW???
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I believe it is technically possible but highly discouraged. Some of the things you back up are unique to your phone. I wouldn't do it.
I want to play with different ROMs (i.e., Cyanogen 7.x, Kingdom and other leaked stock ROMs) but I would like to backup and restore my apps+data for use between the ROMS *AND* have my current stock ROM (yes, its rooted) imaged/ghost'd so I can clone back to it if I don't like the other ROMs (like Ghost, DriveImage, ShadowProtect does for PCs). Is this possible? If so, how?
It's built into recoveries. It's called a nandroid backup. I switch betweek MikFroyo and CyanogenMod7 by using recoveries. If you've rooted your phone you should already know how to do it
To back up your current rom:
reboot into recovery
wipe cache/dalvik (trust me, it's faster that way)
select backup
select nandroid backup (not restore)
it'll give you a list of options to select. Select all but the last 2. (which is like android.secure and your sd card. don't need backups for that)
select "perform backup".
Be patient, it takes several minutes to perform the backup. This will back up your rom as it is right now. After that reboot, use your favorite file manager, go into the nandroid folder and rename that nandroid backup to whatever you want (remember NO SPACES IN THE NAME or it WON'T WORK. Don't name it MikFroyo 4.61, name it MikFroyo_4.61, for example). Then, no matter what, you can restore to how your rom is at the very moment you saved it.
If you wanna just back up apps, get "titanium backup" from the market and back up all your apps. Then you can restore just the apps to whatever rom you flash.
Any flashaholics have nandroid backups and titanium backups.
I flash back and forth between Virus 2.1 Sense, the gingerbread w/sense leak and mikfroyo 4.61 and have nandroids for all three. Can't wait for Kingdom to be officially released (3.0 and 4g? sign me the hell up!)
Hope this helps. Us flashaholics gotta stick together.
To add to what AbsolutZeroGI stated, I would recommend, being this is your first time making backups and we don't know how your SD card is partitioned, that you select to backup your boot, data, system, android.secure, sdext and wimax.For all other backups, just use the default options. If your recovery is amon RA, the aforementioned options are clearly seen, bit I'm not sure about ClockworkMod. It's been too long since I last used it.
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To add to what AbsolutZeroGI stated, I would recommend, being this is your first time making backups and we don't know how your SD card is partitioned, that you select to backup your boot, data, system, android.secure, sdext and wimax.For all other backups, just use the default options. If your recovery is amon RA, the aforementioned options are clearly seen, bit I'm not sure about ClockworkMod. It's been too long since I last used it.
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I don't think how the sd card is formatted matters. I formatted mine for virus 2.1 sense B3 and my mikfroyo and stock still work perfectly. It says to back up the sd card on the computer before you format and put it back after you're done.
Not saying you're wrong, but a backup with .secure and sdext takes FOREVER (like half an hour the last time I tried it, maybe longer) and it's not really necessary.
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Not saying you're wrong, but a backup with .secure and sdext takes FOREVER (like half an hour the last time I tried it, maybe longer) and it's not really necessary.
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I respectfully disagree. Before making a backup, I always wipe cache & dalvik and when I had all of my apps on the sdext partition, the backup was maybe a minute longer than using the default settings. Furthermore, a few of my apps are on android,secure and the backup time is the same. At least that has been my experience....
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I respectfully disagree. Before making a backup, I always wipe cache & dalvik and when I had all of my apps on the sdext partition, the backup was maybe a minute longer than using the default settings. Furthermore, a few of my apps are on android,secure and the backup time is the same. At least that has been my experience....
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I'd have to agree. When I backup my android secure it only takes about a minute or 2 extra than the regular settings...never a half and hours..that's just ludicrous.
Rats! I was hoping I could just dd this ***** and be done with it.
What's this .secure, android.secure and sdext business? I was picking up what y'all were putting down until y'all mentioned that stuff (I've yet to come across that stuff in my nandroid'n/rooting/ROM'n adventures so far).
Also if you backup your apps using Titanium Backup, make sure when you restore you are not restoring and system apps from a Sense Rom to an AOSP Rom or vice verse. I will throw your phone into a Bootloop more than likely and you will have to restore your backup and start all over.
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Rats! I was hoping I could just dd this ***** and be done with it.
What's this .secure, android.secure and sdext business? I was picking up what y'all were putting down until y'all mentioned that stuff (I've yet to come across that stuff in my nandroid'n/rooting/ROM'n adventures so far).
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When you go into recovery to create a nandroid backup using amon RA, System, Data and Boot are selected by default to be backed up. Most of the time, that is all that is required and all you have to do is initiate the backup. However, some people's device is setup a little differently and to prevent their devices from bootlooping at the rom's splash screen, they have to select sdext and/or android.secure to also be backed up when creating a nandroid backup. Both are where certain apps are sometimes stored.
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When you go into recovery to create a nandroid backup using amon RA, System, Data and Boot are selected by default to be backed up. Most of the time, that is all that is required and all you have to do is initiate the backup. However, some people's device is setup a little differently and to prevent their devices from bootlooping at the rom's splash screen, they have to select sdext and/or android.secure to also be backed up when creating a nandroid backup. Both are where certain apps are sometimes stored.
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Got it! Thanks! Is the WiMAX radio stuff included in all that too or is that a different procedure?
DiGiTY said:
Got it! Thanks! Is the WiMAX radio stuff included in all that too or is that a different procedure?
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There's an adb way to pull and copy the wimax image, but if you mount the phone to the pc, copy the wimax to the pc and have an extra copy.
If you're on clockwork recovery, the wimax is already in the backup. If you're on amon_ra 2.3, you'll need to make a backup of it specifically.
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There's an adb way to pull and copy the wimax image, but if you mount the phone to the pc, copy the wimax to the pc and have an extra copy.
If you're on clockwork recovery, the wimax is already in the backup. If you're on amon_ra 2.3, you'll need to make a backup of it specifically.
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Thanks a lot!
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Thanks a lot!
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Whippin' out that 444! Lol...
And you're welcome.