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So I am rooted and flashed Myn's RLS#4. No problems
Now I am adding a few new items but am confused with a few things.
Titanium Backup
ROM Manager
Nandroid backup
Most of what I read says to do a Nandroid backup. I know how to, but where does Titanium Backup and ROM Manager come into play. Do I need to do all?

mugsaway said:
So I am rooted and flashed Myn's RLS#4. No problems
Now I am adding a few new items but am confused with a few things.
Titanium Backup
ROM Manager
Nandroid backup
Most of what I read says to do a Nandroid backup. I know how to, but where does Titanium Backup and ROM Manager come into play. Do I need to do all?
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Titanium Backup - saves your applications on SD card so that it may save and re-use on a new ROM
ROM Manager - Download new ROMs onto your sd card to flash
Nandroid backup - Only takes a backup of your whole actual phone so that you can go back and start over from the first backup in case a problem or bug or accident in the system occurs.

Only Amon_Ra's recovery makes nandroids which back up your 4G radio parameters. You might try searching, use google instead of the xda forum tools, just include"xda evo" in the search line.

[Q] New EVO coming...restore nandroid??

ok so here's my situation....my EVO has a loose charging port and the power button is failing so i took it to sprint and they ordered me a new one...so i figured i would just nandroid when the new phone got here after re-rooting it and i would be good...but then i got to thinking that when i downgraded my hboot version from .97 to .76 i couldnt restore my previous backup because i switched versions...and i plan to root using the unrevoked method and i would assume they would install the lastest version of CWM witch would make my backup unusable right??...
Basically i just need to know if i would be able to restore my backup from my memory card right after i root it or if i need to jump through some hoops to do it...or if i just need to flash CM7 clean and start all over, which i would rather not do...so if anyone can give me an answer it would be much appreciated and i will give said person a kiss *muah*....hahaha
thanks in advance

I'm 99% sure that this would not work...nandroids have to be from the same phone, not just same phone specs/firmware

Even if your recovery would allow you to restore the backup, I wouldn't do it. You run the risk of restoring the wimax partition from the old phone on the new one, essentially borking your wimax. I could be wrong, though.
I would backup all of your user apps + data with Titanium Backup, skip the system stuff. Make sure you've synced everything to Google. Gather the rom you like & any addons, then run unrevoked. After it's done, flashing, restoring, and setting back up shouldn't take too long.

exactly what plainjane said!

Ok I guess I get that...but would I be able to advance restore just my data after flash my rom and kernel?...so I have my apps and data in less than 5 mins?
Sent from my nightly EVO

Vinchenzop said:
I'm 99% sure that this would not work...nandroids have to be from the same phone, not just same phone specs/firmware
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+1 I tried restoring one of my Nandroid backups on my GFs rooted EVO....no go.

thebeast614 said:
Ok I guess I get that...but would I be able to advance restore just my data after flash my rom and kernel?...so I have my apps and data in less than 5 mins?
Sent from my nightly EVO
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Just be careful but this should be fine. You may be better off using an app like MyBackup *root* which is free in the market to backup your apps and app data.
I have used it to move apps from rom to rom, and a new phone would be no different.

For apps...back them up via titanium backup, and you can restore them to a new/different phone
For contacts...open your contacts/people app..while looking at your contacts, press menu and choose "export to sd". This will create a file in your sd called 00001.vcf which contains your contact list and can be restored through contacts/people on any rom
Root your new phone, flash whichever rom you want...put your old sd card into your new phone...install titanium backup and reinstall your backed-up apps. Open contacts/people... press menu, import from sd card. Profit

Vinchenzop said:
For apps...back them up via titanium backup, and you can restore them to a new/different phone
For contacts...open your contacts/people app..while looking at your contacts, press menu and choose "export to sd". This will create a file in your sd called 00001.vcf which contains your contact list and can be restored through contacts/people on any rom
Root your new phone, flash whichever rom you want...put your old sd card into your new phone...install titanium backup and reinstall your backed-up apps. Open contacts/people... press menu, import from sd card. Profit
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+1 What Vinchenzop said.

[Q] Rom backups and restore...

Hi folks... I'm fairly new to flashing ROM's (i know how to flash them and such) but I have a question about backups and restores of roms....I have searched and just dont see the exact wording im looking for.
Ok, So, I have clockwork, and rom manager and have done a backup of my rom.
Here is my question that isnt quite so clear to me.
When I flash a new rom, or say update one that I have where you have to wipe everything.... are these backups here to restore all of your programs and such to where you dont have to go back in and re-download everything when you have a new fresh rom installed.
Id love to try out a bunch of roms.. but I just hate having to go and re-download all of my programs each time I put a new one on... if that is how it has to be then so be it...
I just dont really know exactly what the backups im doing are for, or what they do.
Thanks for your help.

When I flash a new rom, or say update one that I have where you have to wipe everything.... are these backups here to restore all of your programs and such to where you dont have to go back in and re-download everything when you have a new fresh rom installed.
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Somewhat. A nandroid backup is a COMPLETE backup of your entire phone at the point you make the backup. All your apps, calls, texts, etc will be exactly like you made the backup. That's the beauty of nandroid backups, you can make one, try a new rom, and if you dont like it, restore your backup and there is no hassle re-installing apps and changing settings.
However, when you install a new rom, you have to wipe everything. So when flashing a new rom, you will not have anything, you will have to re-install your programs.

There are backup programs that will allow you to backup before a wipe and flash when installing a new ROM. You can then restore the user apps and data. You can also restore SOME system data but you have to be careful and it may be a trial and error process when restoring.
I use Titanium Backup. Some people also use MyBackup Root. I found that when I restored some of my apps with MyBackup they would Force Close when I tried to run them after a restore. That has not been the case with Titanium.
I have Titanium set to restore the apps to the original location. That way my apps restore to internal (DATA) or the the SD Card depending on where they were originally installed.
My process when I flash a new ROM:
- Backup all user apps + Data and System Data with Titanium.
- Nandroid Backup using Amon_RA
- Wipe System, Data, Dalvik and Cache
- Flash the ROM
- Reboot
- Create google account, etc.
- Install Titanium from the market.
- Restore user apps + data using titanium
You can also restore some system data. Depending on the ROM (and how different it was from the original) that can cause problems. If that happens go back to wipe and reflash the ROM again without restoring the system data.
I have had no problems restoring things like my SMS Messages and Call Logs. You can get into problems when you start restoring things like system settings or HTC Sense settings, etc.

Thank you both for the replies. This is exactly what i needed to know. I hope this thread helps others with similar questions.

There is one thing. CWM and ROM Manager have a history of not being reliable with backups.
Your best bet is to get Amon Ra and use that to make Nandroids.
4 I always have on my phone are my Stock/Rooted, my last ROM I was on, fully setup, my Current ROM, basic, before I restore and programs or apps/data, and my current ROM all setup.
If I flash a new ROM, I can just delete my older complete setup.

[Q] nandroid backups and custom roms

Hi I'm new to android and just bought the verizon Galaxy Nexus (came from the iPhone but regretted buying it just months after buying it) and the new terminology is really confusing. Now that I've familiarized myself with most terms, I have a couple questions about performing certain things.
My first question is: When is a nandroid backup needed, why, and how do you perform one?
second question: If I want to flash a custom ROM, what precautions should I take?
Im sorry if any of these questions have been asked but I could not find them anywhere in the development forum.

Nandroid back up is an exact copy of what ever ROM is currently running on your phone. I.e if you are still on stock ROM then you would make a Nandroid and flash back to stock if you had bugs in a custom ROM.
To make a Nandroid you must first Root the device and install ClockWorkMod (CWM), Once installed hold both volume buttons up and down at the same time an power on the device. Then using the volume keys go to Restore mode and hit the power button, Navigate to backups and restore and then hit back up, this will make a Nandroid.
Precautions to flashing a custom ROM - Make a Nandroid of the stock ROM and you can always flash back.

But i didn't understand a thing yet... If I have a Custom ROM and want to go back to the stock one, and i have a nandroid backup of the stock one, first i have to re-flash the stock rom or i can directly restore the nandroid backup when i've still installed the custom rom?

You can directly restore the nandroid backup. It will start you over at stock just how your phone was when you backed it up
Sent from my Sensation using XDA App

Maybe you should watch a few videos on Youtube to get a bit familiar with Android and a few basics

mklass said:
Nandroid back up is an exact copy of what ever ROM is currently running on your phone. I.e if you are still on stock ROM then you would make a Nandroid and flash back to stock if you had bugs in a custom ROM.
To make a Nandroid you must first Root the device and install ClockWorkMod (CWM), Once installed hold both volume buttons up and down at the same time an power on the device. Then using the volume keys go to Restore mode and hit the power button, Navigate to backups and restore and then hit back up, this will make a Nandroid.
Precautions to flashing a custom ROM - Make a Nandroid of the stock ROM and you can always flash back.
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Thanks for the very helpful response! Does a nandroid save absolutely everything? If not, what will I have to save manually? If I do a nandroid, is a titanium backup needed? The question above about having to revert back to the ROM before flashing the backup is interesting because I've heard that you must flash back to the previous ROM or you'll end up with a bricked phone...

azn android said:
Thanks for the very helpful response! Does a nandroid save absolutely everything? If not, what will I have to save manually? If I do a nandroid, is a titanium backup needed? The question above about having to revert back to the ROM before flashing the backup is interesting because I've heard that you must flash back to the previous ROM or you'll end up with a bricked phone...
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Yes indeed a Nandroid back up saves EVERYTHING to do with apps installed + login credentials, widget layouts, notification sounds an lights, Messages, recent calls and so on. It may be a wise move to make a copy of the Internal SDcard which I do just in-case because I'm not sure if the Nandroid backup saves the Internal SDcard as it is a non removable card.
Regarding reflashing - You simply just wipe systme, data, Cache and Davlik Cache and reflash the stock Nandroid over and your device will be back to stock ROM.
The only time I would use Titanium back up is when moving from one ROM to another. Each time you flash a new ROM its basically a fresh install and will not have any of your settings saved i.e Wi-fi passwords, wallpapers, wiget layout, icons and folders, Gmail/facebook/twitter account details. Although Google offer a basic backup for your Apps none of the login credentials will be saved.
I have 2 Nandroid backups - 1 is my stock ROM, the other is my Modaco Custom ROM. Every time I flash some thing new over my Madaco ROM i.e custom Mods like new power menu or new kernel, I make a new Nandroid back up and delete the previous one. That way you will always have an exact copy of the ROM just the way you like it.
Hope this helps

Ah makes sense thank you so much! I get the overall picture but small details such as these are needed! I'm sorry if I'm annoying you with all these questions but I have a couple more: how would I make a copy of my internal sd card? My other question is that will I only need titanium backup if I plan on using more than 2 ROM's? Because I'm still a bit confused about why you would need titanium backup if nandroid does the same thing.. If there is a guide about when to delete the cache or do a wipe and stuff, sending a link or explanation would be much appreciated!

Titanium backup and nandroid
Backing up internal SD card is by simply copy pasting everything on SD to PC, Nandroid backup is complete backup of everything, ie if you restore a nandroid backup you will get everything the same before backing up, but Titanium is backup of apps, messages and call registers or contacts, you cannot restore the apps, messages and contacts from nandroid to New ROM, but you can from Titanium. Just in simple you can make titanium backup in case you want to use new ROM with all apps you previously used or use nandroid if you want just to test a new ROM and revert back to previous,
please hit thanks if it helps you or correct me if I am wrong

[Q] TWRP questions

1) can you have more than one backup?( like a venom viper rom backup and a stock rom backup and android revolution backup?)
2) if you can have more than one backup can i basically switch from rom to rom, ( performing a factory reset then backing that preferred rom)
3) is there any way i can backup my apps on my phone to be restored when i install a new rom without having to pay, like titanium backup, you need to pay the pro version for dropbox.

nty123 said:
1) can you have more than one backup?( like a venom viper rom backup and a stock rom backup and android revolution backup?)
2) if you can have more than one backup can i basically switch from rom to rom, ( performing a factory reset then backing that preferred rom)
3) is there any way i can backup my apps on my phone to be restored when i install a new rom without having to pay, like titanium backup, you need to pay the pro version for dropbox.
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You can have as many backups as the phones memory can hold, and switch back and forth between them freeley with a full wipe in between (excluding the sdcard of course).
Check out nandroid manager on the market. It can pull your apps and their data from a nandroid backup and restore them to your current rom.

cmlusco said:
You can have as many backups as the phones memory can hold, and switch back and forth between them freeley with a full wipe in between (excluding the sdcard of course).
Check out nandroid manager on the market. It can pull your apps and their data from a nandroid backup and restore them to your current rom.
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ok cool, when i use nandroid backup to restore the apps from the nandroid backup will the apps still be on that backuped rom on twrp?

Yes it does not change the backup files in any way.

cmlusco said:
Yes it does not change the backup files in any way.
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ok cool thanks for your fast response.