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TP2 Basic Questions

Hi,
I've just bought a TP2 and reading through the forum I've picked up that the TP2 is customisable.
My questions are basically
-how customisable is the TP2?? i.e. is it only themes n ringtones that can be changed or can anything be changed on the phone??
Also ive read that applications like radio dont come standard on the TP2 need to be added manually.
-how hard is it to do this and does anybody have any tutorials on how to add apps and where can i get them from??
thanks

ustahir_1 said:
Hi,
I've just bought a TP2 and reading through the forum I've picked up that the TP2 is customisable.
My questions are basically
-how customisable is the TP2?? i.e. is it only themes n ringtones that can be changed or can anything be changed on the phone??
Also ive read that applications like radio dont come standard on the TP2 need to be added manually.
-how hard is it to do this and does anybody have any tutorials on how to add apps and where can i get them from??
thanks
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the device isnt the variable in customization, virtually every aspect of the TP2 is customizable and as the days go by and the devs create more things the options just become greater.
the radio add is simply installing the radio cab file, takes all of 10 seconds. All you really need to do (for the most part) for different app installs is to read if they support your resolution (480x800).

mallman said:
the device isnt the variable in customization, virtually every aspect of the TP2 is customizable and as the days go by and the devs create more things the options just become greater.
the radio add is simply installing the radio cab file, takes all of 10 seconds. All you really need to do (for the most part) for different app installs is to read if they support your resolution (480x800).
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so regarding customising to confirm basically got to wait for the realse of items for the phone.
is there a tutorial on how to add a cab file as this is my 1st HTC phone,,,
also where can i get these apps from pls??
thanks

O btw got another Q
the customisation of the TP2 isnt customising the phone but the windows OS is that right??
so if i find a good thing for windows OS and its for the right version and correct resolution it should work??

thanks for your help btw
there doesnt seem to be a thanks button
thanks again

Hi,
Welcome to forums.
Yes there are literaly millions of apps out there for WinMo from any category you can think of, productivity, media players / streamers, games, tools etc etc.
Most apps come in two forms, .cab file extension which can be copied to the memory on the device and run from the file manager, or .exe (the windows normally executable) these are installed on your desktop and the app is then installed to the device the next time you sync it with active sync.
Before getting too in depth, I advise you to read the Wiki, and the first post at the top of this forum. Familiarise yourself with the devices basic functions and where everything in the OS, that way you'll pick things up a lot quicker when reading through posts on the forum.
The entire OS is customisable, skins, pre-installed apps, added functionality (patching missing or poor functionality (NFFP issues) and anything else you can think. What we do here is port newer builds from newer devices to get the latest OS builds and optimisations for our current devices.
Have a good read, you'll understand a lot better.
Cheers,
Beasty

ustahir_1 said:
thanks for your help btw
there doesnt seem to be a thanks button
thanks again
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You can thank us all by donating to the site mate (not mandatory at all) but it helps keeps this place going.
Cheers,
Beasty

Indeed welcome to the forums.
It seems this is your first windows mobile phone? you can compare it with your windows pc a bit, only it's a bit less complex, though it still is.
On windows you can install every application that is ment for windows. As long as your system meets the system requirements of the software. It's the same with your Touch pro 2.
A lot of software has diffrent versions of their applications, each for a diffrent screen size. This reduces the size of the application (instead of installing the application for all sizes).
There are . CAB files. These are the regular installation files for you phone. Copy them to your phone and run it. (you can upload by bluetooth, but active sync is easier and faster) Then there are .exe files for mobile apps. These you install on you pc while you phone is connected via active sync. Your computer will then install it on your phone.
Now for the customisation part. This is indeed customising the OS. In the (near?) future, there will be a lot of selfmade (cooked) roms available. This goes with a lot of testing, it's the trial and error way of working.
As this is your first WM mobile?, I suggest you wait a while before customizing anything and installing custom roms. I would wait untill there are some stable roms available. Also you need to install HardSPL to make flashing (installing new Roms, and thus new OS versions) less risky. Because flashing and customizing isn't without risk.
I've been doing it quite a while (flashing) and it never went wrong, but there are also people where it did went wrong.

first off thanks beast & quarin when i get paid ill try to donate something to the site.
I'll definatly have a read into the wiki before doing anything to the phone and yes this is my 1st windows mobile so I will just it for a while to get used to it then possible start customising it.
In regards to the apps i can get apart from in this forum are there any other sites where i can download them from??
Also i do have 1 more question but its a just in case kind of question.
Ive bought the HTC sim free, 1 of my main worries is that with my Three(3) network contract SIM. I know I should be able to make calls and send text messages my query is in regards to the internet settings will they automatically be picked up via the SIM card coz when i had my iphone i had to manually put in the address for the APN and im just wondering will i have to do the same??
Thanks

beast0898 said:
Hi,
Welcome to forums.
Yes there are literaly millions of apps out there for WinMo from any category you can think of, productivity, media players / streamers, games, tools etc etc.
Most apps come in two forms, .cab file extension which can be copied to the memory on the device and run from the file manager, or .exe (the windows normally executable) these are installed on your desktop and the app is then installed to the device the next time you sync it with active sync.
Before getting too in depth, I advise you to read the Wiki, and the first post at the top of this forum. Familiarise yourself with the devices basic functions and where everything in the OS, that way you'll pick things up a lot quicker when reading through posts on the forum.
The entire OS is customisable, skins, pre-installed apps, added functionality (patching missing or poor functionality (NFFP issues) and anything else you can think. What we do here is port newer builds from newer devices to get the latest OS builds and optimisations for our current devices.
Have a good read, you'll understand a lot better.
Cheers,
Beasty
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That´s what I call a fantastic explanation!!
I wish I had one of those when first step in here
Cheers Beasty!

ustahir_1 said:
first off thanks beast & quarin when i get paid ill try to donate something to the site.
I'll definatly have a read into the wiki before doing anything to the phone and yes this is my 1st windows mobile so I will just it for a while to get used to it then possible start customising it.
In regards to the apps i can get apart from in this forum are there any other sites where i can download them from??
Also i do have 1 more question but its a just in case kind of question.
Ive bought the HTC sim free, 1 of my main worries is that with my Three(3) network contract SIM. I know I should be able to make calls and send text messages my query is in regards to the internet settings will they automatically be picked up via the SIM card coz when i had my iphone i had to manually put in the address for the APN and im just wondering will i have to do the same??
Thanks
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Most likely, the settings will be set automaticly. If not you can set them via Settings (also automaticly). But if you have pre-paid, be carefull when the settings are set. at the moment you open a browser, youtube or other apps that use internet, internet connection will automatic establish. (sorryfor my bad language)

orb3000 said:
That´s what I call a fantastic explanation!!
I wish I had one of those when first step in here
Cheers Beasty!
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yea it is the wiki helped me alot,,,
just a question where can i find these apps except from in this forum??

quarintus said:
Most likely, the settings will be set automaticly. If not you can set them via Settings (also automaticly). But if you have pre-paid, be carefull when the settings are set. at the moment you open a browser, youtube or other apps that use internet, internet connection will automatic establish. (sorryfor my bad language)
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no problem quarin i understand what your saying,,,
where you've said if i have pre-paid be careful can you please elaborate (tell my why) this??
thanks

ustahir_1 said:
no problem quarin i understand what your saying,,,
where you've said if i have pre-paid be careful can you please elaborate (tell my why) this??
thanks
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I was targetting the internet costs. They can add up. Don't know you country, but here you can't have internet prepaid without paying a lot of money. So you have too look out (in that case) not to use internet. And it uses internet automaticaly when using a program that's internet related.

quarintus said:
I was targetting the internet costs. They can add up. Don't know you country, but here you can't have internet prepaid without paying a lot of money. So you have too look out (in that case) not to use internet. And it uses internet automaticaly when using a program that's internet related.
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O ok i understand now
no with my pre-paid Three(3) Sim i have an internet allowance thanks for the tip though

3G/Wireless connection monitor

I searched the forums but couldn't find any information, so i'm asking, is there such an application that monitors the connection you are using and displays info as to what application used what amount of data?
Pretty much something like spb wireless monitor for win.mo . I am using netcounter at the moment but it does not give detailed information about the amount of data used per application.
Thank you.

I used to use 3G Watchdog. Until I got unlimited data plan
It is a nice app (with widgets). It lets you define your monthly quota, monitor it, set some reminders when you reach xx % of your quota.
I'm not sure it can monitor the use of particular apps though. But for overall monitoring it's the best I've found.

I used that also but I was looking for an application that can show usage per application, just for my personal knowledge.
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

me too - i think something like this would be really useful when investigating whats hammering your battery.
Maybe you could post a require in the development section

Silver Navigator

Appears to be the first WP7 app with voice navigation (just included in the new update). Has anyone tried it out after this new update? I'm wondering how good it is.
I'm also wondering if anyone knows what kind of approximate rate charges are involved with the use of this or other similar GPS apps (ex. 10Mb per hour).

cgibsong002 said:
Has anyone tried it out after this new update? I'm wondering how good it is.
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It can't be good by default: it uses your 3G data connection and Bing maps so it slow, inaccurate and pricey (if you exceed your data plan).
BTW, any (including most wanted to hack Navigon) currently existing WP7 gps apps a complete BS even compared with cheapest $30 standalone auto gps. My suggestion: don't try to use any of 'em in big city (like a Boston), all of 'em bad and can cost you a troubles.
So, WP7 still doesn't have gps solution at all Damn MS with closed sources & API's...

Closed Sources have nothing to do with this, and the APIs aren't closed. They just either don't exist or are hidden so deeply that developers cannot access them (Microsoft does use Native Code for much of WP7, even though 3rd party developers can not).
Also, Bing is fine in a big city like Chicago. I know because I went there with my WM6.5 device a while back and the voice nav was very much on point. Stop spreading FUD. Bing has holes in other countries, but in the US is quite good...

FYI, I'm not flooding but just publish my own impressions based on my own real experience. I've especially tried all existing solutions working in Boston (last attempt was yesterday, riding to Somerville). All these applications working very bad: no construction info at all, wrong routes, bad accuracy, awful UI. Navigon shows a little better result but still no comparison with my TomTom XL 335SE (costs me a $29.99 + tax on huge local sale) at all!
I don't know which criteria is "fine" for you (may be it's just "Oh my God, it works and showing something on map!") but it's absolutely not affordable for me (I do have an experience and example to compare).

sensboston said:
It can't be good by default: it uses your 3G data connection and Bing maps so it slow, inaccurate and pricey (if you exceed your data plan).
BTW, any (including most wanted to hack Navigon) currently existing WP7 gps apps a complete BS even compared with cheapest $30 standalone auto gps. My suggestion: don't try to use any of 'em in big city (like a Boston), all of 'em bad and can cost you a troubles.
So, WP7 still doesn't have gps solution at all Damn MS with closed sources & API's...
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1) You haven't even tried the app suggested by OP. Please don't pass judgement. I am sure developer is doing his best. Try it... if you still don't like it.. fair enough.
2) I will beg to differ about bing being inaccurate than likes of google. Navteq maps have always worked much better than teleatlas in US.
3) APIs are there and more are APIs are coming with Mango. Open or closed source has nothing to do with it.

I use A&B . But I did give this nav app a try. On the trial it only sets routes within a 4 mile radious but thats because it's the trial. Now indicators for speed and sistance sits on the top on map and it's rather small and hard to see at a glance. Where as on A&B it's on the side and much larger and easyer to see at the glance.
The maps about the same. as A&B overall the interface UI on A&B is much better. it's really a shame that WP7 does not have a full blown Nav app. I would much rather be able to download the maps and have it always on route even when I'm out of range of towers.

cgibsong002 said:
Appears to be the first WP7 app with voice navigation (just included in the new update). Has anyone tried it out after this new update? I'm wondering how good it is.
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Forget it. It's based on Bing Maps, so totally crap and inaccurate anyway (except if you live in the US).

arkavat said:
1) You haven't even tried the app suggested by OP. Please don't pass judgement. I am sure developer is doing his best. Try it... if you still don't like it.. fair enough.
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Did you read my post above? Seems like not. I don't judge anyone either, just posted my own opinion.

Nothing wrong with this application. No mapping software has 100% map accuracy, always takes time to update maps. Within the trial limitations I found the journey I planned was accurate with routing and location, but could improve the featureset.
Not sure there's too much to complain about for $3 and obviously anyone not on an unlimited data plan shouldnt be looking at offline navigation applications.

Thanks guys. I agree and I have a Garmin. I'm very upset that there's no map based GPS's out as of now, since I'm on a limited data plan. I was just curious. If it was a really good app, it might be worth to use in the event that I need it in an emergency. If it's no better than A-B though, why bother. Thanks for the input guys.

Message from the developer
Hi guys,
I´m the developer of Silver Navigator. Thanks a lot for your comments.
Any question or suggestion is really welcome.
SN do not pretend to be a perfect replacement for full GPS navigation devices like TomTom, etc, but I think for the price it´s a very useful option, when no TomTom is available.
In addition to that, it´s able to calculate your aprox. position from cell tower triangulation, pretty useful when no GPS reception is available. I´m also already adapting it to Mango (next release of Windows Phone), which will include digital compass and a much more precise calculation of position and orientation. It works perfectly, and it´s particularly useful for navigation when walking, as you don´t need to move to know what direction you are headed.
Later this week, I´m releasing v 1.2, which includes many more improvements. Among others:
Local Searches (business, shops, etc), improved user interface, "clear route" function included, improved GPS accuracy, voices volume increased, etc.
You can follow SN progress at Facebook. Just search for "Silver Navigator".
Thanks !!!!

Needs orientation via the compass, ie like tomtom, google nav, in order to be useful while driving.
As it is its unusable while in a car unfortunately.

GraphicDNA said:
In addition to that, it´s able to calculate your aprox. position from cell tower triangulation, pretty useful when no GPS reception is available.
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How about "no cell tower reception" (for me it's happened much more frequently; GPS signal is available everywhere except downtowns with skyscrapers)? And did you tested your app with cell tower triangulation in places like a downtowns of big cities?

I just tried it this morning (Birmingham UK)
I have a good data connection but the map downloading is way too slow to be used for driving. All I had was a yellow arrow against a blurry background.
It could really do with being able to cache map data possibly via WiFi before you set off to avoid these issues.
Also the screen was North up instead of being track up and the unfortunately the quality of the speech/instructions was very poor.
But it does work and apart from buying Navigon this is the only other real sat nav application for WP7. I have seen posts for A-to-B but you cant download from the marketplace so hopefully it will improve.

It seems that when mango is released that more turn-by-turn apps will come out.

Nice
I have used this for a month now and like it. I suggest that the triangle indicating the cars position point in the direction and orientation of the phone, and that there be an option for the display to point either north or in the direction of travel. Just a suggestion to improve an already good application.

This really does look to be one of the better nav programs available right now. I'd by this if it had support for 3d view much like tomtom, navigon, magellen etc. A - B had this and it was by far the best angle to get directions in when driving.
Any plans on adding this feature and if so is there a timeline?

Can I be really picky and ask for a slicker looking tile?

@ GraphicDNA
Very nice work..!
will do you a view 3D with this program of style A to B..?
maybe a multilanguage too..?

Just heard from the developers of Drive on.... they arent implementing the 3D driving mode for at least 4 months... here's hoping Silver Nav gets it WAY sooner!

[Q] Application to see network traffic

Can anyone suggest application that will allow me to see network traffic on my phone?
I’m currently using 3G Watchdog to see what is using my data plan.
What I like to know is why for example Dialer used almost 1 Meg. of data, where was it getting data to/from.

User the one that se supplies... Just search the market for Sony Ericsson. It's called data control I believe.
Sent from my LT15i using xda premium

@wallytax,
It's called Data monitor. But I don't think that's what JarekG is looking for. He's already got 3G Watchdog to monitor his usage.
@JarekG,
I'm sorry mate. Not sure if there's a program which tells you what you wanted.

JarekG said:
Can anyone suggest application that will allow me to see network traffic on my phone?
I’m currently using 3G Watchdog to see what is using my data plan.
What I like to know is why for example Dialer used almost 1 Meg. of data, where was it getting data to/from.
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Turn auto sync and etc off...this is what takes most you traffic.
Sent from my MT15i using Tapatalk

Actually I found one Connection Tracker
I'm using the free version and it's nice.
The paid version allow to save to SD

Some tim ago I used an application named "Shark for Root", which allowed me to captures traffic and save it to a file, just the same way Wireshark does on my PC. It's free ,available on the Android Market. There are two editions, you may choose depending on your rom:
https://market.android.com/details?id=lv.n3o.shark
https://market.android.com/details?id=lv.n3o.sharknative

alvaroag said:
Some tim ago I used an application named "Shark for Root", which allowed me to captures traffic and save it to a file, just the same way Wireshark does on my PC. It's free ,available on the Android Market. There are two editions, you may choose depending on your rom:
https://market.android.com/details?id=lv.n3o.shark
https://market.android.com/details?id=lv.n3o.sharknative
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I like this, it's not exactly what I was looking for but I can have some fun with it.
I still don't know what application made the request but I can see something is updating my GPS info (even though my GPS is not on )
I also found a thread in here about that application (but no development for at least a year ) which sucks.

TRUE PTT apps/Walkie Talkie/SMS WITHOUT A NETWORK/DATA CONNECTION

Hi guys I would like to share some great apps that are F-R-E-E and are developed for a good cause. Its called Serval. Its basically a app designed to make calls via WIFI / Bluetooth without a need for a working network / data connection. No extra hardware needed. Just your lovely android and thats it. It is developed for rural communities with absolutely no phone connection. Give it a spin and support the devs if you can its really interesting might take a while to setup but worth the try.
Root is NOT required but having ROOT give you more features thats all. Its so handy you can even send an .apk via the app itself nice touch!
Developer webpage : http://www.servalproject.org/
Video Demo of app : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYibygOdYMM
Download : https://play.google.com/store/apps/...251bGwsMSwxLDIxMiwib3JnLnNlcnZhbHByb2plY3QiXQ..
Some of us might not find this usefull at all but I find it great if you do road trips with friends abroad and you do not actually want to pay for that [email protected]#$ expensive roaming bills etc etc. So you can call for F-R-E-E between cars / motorbikes or whatever form of vehicle you have.
Another app I find nice of the same features
Android Intercomm :
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5hbmRyb2lkaW50ZXJjb20iXQ..
I am in NO REALATION with devs from the above apps mention, sharing cause they are developing for a good cause.

Wow! I wanted one of these apps!
Thanks!

system.img said:
Wow! I wanted one of these apps!
Thanks!
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Give both of them a spin . I been searching for them for super long too so I figure other people might want it too! Both are in beta stage so maybe unstable do give it some time. Any questions regarding setup I can try to help :victory: