Appears to be the first WP7 app with voice navigation (just included in the new update). Has anyone tried it out after this new update? I'm wondering how good it is.
I'm also wondering if anyone knows what kind of approximate rate charges are involved with the use of this or other similar GPS apps (ex. 10Mb per hour).
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Has anyone tried it out after this new update? I'm wondering how good it is.
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It can't be good by default: it uses your 3G data connection and Bing maps so it slow, inaccurate and pricey (if you exceed your data plan).
BTW, any (including most wanted to hack Navigon) currently existing WP7 gps apps a complete BS even compared with cheapest $30 standalone auto gps. My suggestion: don't try to use any of 'em in big city (like a Boston), all of 'em bad and can cost you a troubles.
So, WP7 still doesn't have gps solution at all Damn MS with closed sources & API's...
Closed Sources have nothing to do with this, and the APIs aren't closed. They just either don't exist or are hidden so deeply that developers cannot access them (Microsoft does use Native Code for much of WP7, even though 3rd party developers can not).
Also, Bing is fine in a big city like Chicago. I know because I went there with my WM6.5 device a while back and the voice nav was very much on point. Stop spreading FUD. Bing has holes in other countries, but in the US is quite good...
FYI, I'm not flooding but just publish my own impressions based on my own real experience. I've especially tried all existing solutions working in Boston (last attempt was yesterday, riding to Somerville). All these applications working very bad: no construction info at all, wrong routes, bad accuracy, awful UI. Navigon shows a little better result but still no comparison with my TomTom XL 335SE (costs me a $29.99 + tax on huge local sale) at all!
I don't know which criteria is "fine" for you (may be it's just "Oh my God, it works and showing something on map!") but it's absolutely not affordable for me (I do have an experience and example to compare).
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It can't be good by default: it uses your 3G data connection and Bing maps so it slow, inaccurate and pricey (if you exceed your data plan).
BTW, any (including most wanted to hack Navigon) currently existing WP7 gps apps a complete BS even compared with cheapest $30 standalone auto gps. My suggestion: don't try to use any of 'em in big city (like a Boston), all of 'em bad and can cost you a troubles.
So, WP7 still doesn't have gps solution at all Damn MS with closed sources & API's...
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1) You haven't even tried the app suggested by OP. Please don't pass judgement. I am sure developer is doing his best. Try it... if you still don't like it.. fair enough.
2) I will beg to differ about bing being inaccurate than likes of google. Navteq maps have always worked much better than teleatlas in US.
3) APIs are there and more are APIs are coming with Mango. Open or closed source has nothing to do with it.
I use A&B . But I did give this nav app a try. On the trial it only sets routes within a 4 mile radious but thats because it's the trial. Now indicators for speed and sistance sits on the top on map and it's rather small and hard to see at a glance. Where as on A&B it's on the side and much larger and easyer to see at the glance.
The maps about the same. as A&B overall the interface UI on A&B is much better. it's really a shame that WP7 does not have a full blown Nav app. I would much rather be able to download the maps and have it always on route even when I'm out of range of towers.
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Forget it. It's based on Bing Maps, so totally crap and inaccurate anyway (except if you live in the US).
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1) You haven't even tried the app suggested by OP. Please don't pass judgement. I am sure developer is doing his best. Try it... if you still don't like it.. fair enough.
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Did you read my post above? Seems like not. I don't judge anyone either, just posted my own opinion.
Nothing wrong with this application. No mapping software has 100% map accuracy, always takes time to update maps. Within the trial limitations I found the journey I planned was accurate with routing and location, but could improve the featureset.
Not sure there's too much to complain about for $3 and obviously anyone not on an unlimited data plan shouldnt be looking at offline navigation applications.
Thanks guys. I agree and I have a Garmin. I'm very upset that there's no map based GPS's out as of now, since I'm on a limited data plan. I was just curious. If it was a really good app, it might be worth to use in the event that I need it in an emergency. If it's no better than A-B though, why bother. Thanks for the input guys.
Message from the developer
Hi guys,
I´m the developer of Silver Navigator. Thanks a lot for your comments.
Any question or suggestion is really welcome.
SN do not pretend to be a perfect replacement for full GPS navigation devices like TomTom, etc, but I think for the price it´s a very useful option, when no TomTom is available.
In addition to that, it´s able to calculate your aprox. position from cell tower triangulation, pretty useful when no GPS reception is available. I´m also already adapting it to Mango (next release of Windows Phone), which will include digital compass and a much more precise calculation of position and orientation. It works perfectly, and it´s particularly useful for navigation when walking, as you don´t need to move to know what direction you are headed.
Later this week, I´m releasing v 1.2, which includes many more improvements. Among others:
Local Searches (business, shops, etc), improved user interface, "clear route" function included, improved GPS accuracy, voices volume increased, etc.
You can follow SN progress at Facebook. Just search for "Silver Navigator".
Thanks !!!!
Needs orientation via the compass, ie like tomtom, google nav, in order to be useful while driving.
As it is its unusable while in a car unfortunately.
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In addition to that, it´s able to calculate your aprox. position from cell tower triangulation, pretty useful when no GPS reception is available.
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How about "no cell tower reception" (for me it's happened much more frequently; GPS signal is available everywhere except downtowns with skyscrapers)? And did you tested your app with cell tower triangulation in places like a downtowns of big cities?
I just tried it this morning (Birmingham UK)
I have a good data connection but the map downloading is way too slow to be used for driving. All I had was a yellow arrow against a blurry background.
It could really do with being able to cache map data possibly via WiFi before you set off to avoid these issues.
Also the screen was North up instead of being track up and the unfortunately the quality of the speech/instructions was very poor.
But it does work and apart from buying Navigon this is the only other real sat nav application for WP7. I have seen posts for A-to-B but you cant download from the marketplace so hopefully it will improve.
It seems that when mango is released that more turn-by-turn apps will come out.
Nice
I have used this for a month now and like it. I suggest that the triangle indicating the cars position point in the direction and orientation of the phone, and that there be an option for the display to point either north or in the direction of travel. Just a suggestion to improve an already good application.
This really does look to be one of the better nav programs available right now. I'd by this if it had support for 3d view much like tomtom, navigon, magellen etc. A - B had this and it was by far the best angle to get directions in when driving.
Any plans on adding this feature and if so is there a timeline?
Can I be really picky and ask for a slicker looking tile?
@ GraphicDNA
Very nice work..!
will do you a view 3D with this program of style A to B..?
maybe a multilanguage too..?
Just heard from the developers of Drive on.... they arent implementing the 3D driving mode for at least 4 months... here's hoping Silver Nav gets it WAY sooner!
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i have google maps... i like it, does the job but i know theres gotta be better?
i tried nav4all and cant stand it really.. its ehh
amAze isnt bad, its funny it dont show gas stations or anything but it shows all the mom/pops type places you'd never think would show up, thats only thing i like bout it
and live search, it doesnt show certain **** right on the map but its got gas prices, restaurants, movies, etc i can search through and route so thats beautiful
but any others im missing?? i wanna try all the ones considered good or better and see what im feelin the best
I think you pretty much covered everything here. I use google maps and live search and they are pretty good. never tried amaze or nav4all but I've heard of them.
IMO, a combination of google maps and live search is the best you are going to find for free.
Although you may want to try out GPSToday. I havent used that in quite some time, but i enjoyed always having my exact location on my today screen. (before we had TF2D)
What about GPS that costs money?
I've recently been tryin Garmin Mobile XT.. not bad, it's sort of like Live Search to me, the only upside I've found so far is I like the map layout..
I did run into the problem of not being able to route my ****..
I think because the maps I downloaded for it weren't complete or somethin? It has all streets w/ names, it follows me on them directly, but if I set a route it will do a straight line to the place instead of taking streets
No biggie though I still have amAze, Live Search, and Google Maps..
I wanna try TomTom, is it worth it?
Or is there a clear cut "best" when it comes to paid for GPS software??
My girl and I both have vogue's, and I installed tomtom6 on hers, she likes the different funny voices available. I installed igo 8 on mine, I thought that the 3D was done a whole lot better. Tom Tom6 ran fine on hers always, I couldn't get igo8 to launch without having at least 70% memory free.
For me to use igo I would have to soft reset and make sure that was the only program running.
My verdict is TT6 is reliable but boring, gets the job done always and starts with no issues. Tons of free POI stuff out there.
iGo8 looks way better, but is pushing the vogue to the limit in terms of processing.
Both get you where you need to go easy-
Working on getting TT7 now-
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but any others im missing?? i wanna try all the ones considered good or better and see what im feelin the best
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Have you looked at GPSToday? Give it a shot. Some recently added features(which doesnt cut even half of it):
Driving/Walking directions in many countries, with traffic-optimization option.
Log file plotting on map and animated "playback". Also, the geologger will now never clip corners, and will perfectly follow loopy highway ramps. You can now also upload your log-files to the desktop website from within the app and export to GPX format.
Location Tracking and sharing (GeoLocation). Track your location history online for your own private use, or share with friends/family. The power-saving ability of GPSToday means you can leave it on indefinitely without worrying about the battery.
Easily and privately (or publicly) share points-of-interest, pictures, messages with like-minded folks (GeoGroups). eg. Track or update swine-flu locations, right from your phone. The possibilities are endless.
'Slideshow' through all your address-book contacts on the map, or through driving directions, or local search results, or all friends' mobile locations
Satellite,Hybrid map views, and many more enhancements for ease of use.
Nearly worldwide support for many features that were previously US only.
Update your twitter status manually from within the app. Just send a message to username 'twitter' via the Inbox in GPSToday.
Screenshots and download at: http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-gpstoday-v0-9.html
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http://www.geoterrestrial.com/ from desktop
http://m.geoterrestrial.com/ from phone
Thanks,
-The GeoTerrestrial Team
I found this on de.engadget.com:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fZk0HaIs4s
This is ****ing awesome, isn't it? Is there anybody being able to write sth. like this for WinMo?
this proggie makes use of the compass, which is not on blackstone
therefore i guess the answer is no
Okay, but where's the problem with compass-function when having GPS?
gps uses actual movement in order to understand your direction, while with the compass it simply knows it, because, heck, it's a compass so getting such a program on a hd would mean relying on a gps which has a less accurate understanding of directions, which in the end would result in a crappy program working quite bad compared to this one
I didnt find it that great - the text kept jumping around and the person was still only moving it slowly. I think ill stick to google maps or a gps app for the time being.
Also, you forgot the delay of the showing video VS realtime(about 3 seconds!!!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2uH-jrsSxs&feature=related look at the children running..
imagine if you use it while driving...you''ll have to look at your rear view mirror to understand what the Iphone is showing
Yeah, okay, I understand your arguments! GPS does know the position but not the direction - this is quite clear... Moreover, GPS apps as TOMTOM are really great running on the HD!
Yeah, okay, I understand your arguments! GPS does know the position but not the direction - this is quite clear... Moreover, GPS apps as TOMTOM are really great running on the HD!
Have a look at my thread "Augmented Reality Games / Apps" for a collection of Apps/Games like this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=493333
I will update it soon.
Just found this on the marketplace and I have to say... pretty awesome. This is what WP7 was missing. Although its clearly in the beta stage it is pretty good for a V 1.0.
A-to-B is a Turn-by-Turn application built to demonstrate some of the capabilities of the ArcGIS API for Windows Phone. Warning: The application is meant for demonstration purposes only! Do not rely solely on the suggested routes or instructions given by this application. Features: - Turn-by-turn routing. Sound notification when a turn is coming up. - Add often used destinations as favorites. - List of recent destinations. - "3D view" when in navigation mode with easy accessible "zoom in/out" buttons. - 2D Map for browsing the map supporting pinching, panning etc, and pick new destination by touch'n'hold on the map. - Easy accessible "Recalculate" button if you go off the route and need a new route from your current location (because of service restrictions, the app is not allowed to do this automatically). - Routes all over US (support for Europe coming in a future version). - Worldwide map (detail may vary).
You can read more about and get the marketplace download link here
Nice find I'll have to check it out.
And so I just did. I've been playing with this for an hour not bad, not bad at all I'm going to have it set up in the car on the way into work. I'll post how it does on the highway. But it gave the correct route that I take. But I want to see how it does when I'm actually driving.
Morton you made one very nice app wit a few minor tweeks this thing will rock well done dir well worth the effort
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Here's hoping for a UK map!
finally...very good
awesome find I can almost retire my Tilt2
Keep it coming guys, honestly I don't research the app market because I can get all reviews and such here at XDA
This indeed looks fantastic. One question though:
Which map is it actually using? This one has the outlines of every single house or building in my neighborhood and it is VERY accurate. I really like it.
Will it support pinch to zoom?
Partial support in the UK
Hi all
I have installed this on my phone in the UK as a trial. It works and in map mode I reasonable moving 3D map like any normal Sat-Nav. There is no car/arrow on the road to indicate precisely where I am, but the basic mechanics. It can't find any addresses in the UK so I guess that's not yet supported on the server side, but this application clearly has huge potential.
I think whoever gets there first with a fully functioning turn-by-turn sat nav in the marketplace is clearly on to a massive winner.
Cheers
andrew-in-woking
On US 95 in MA I, had an arrow up showing my car. it had all the off ramps and had my destination pegged down perfect. Also there is a speed indicator I was doing 70 mph, it had me doing 71 I can handle that. Like said before, it could use a few tweaks here and there. But overall this Nav app is darn good.
It was pretty nice and accurate getting me to work this morning, but it couldn't figure out my home address. Kept on sending me to weird parts of town.
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...I was doing 70 mph, it had me doing 71 I can handle that.
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Maybe this sounds stupid, but how do you know you were doing 70mph? Using your car's speedometer? In which case, have you had it manually recalibrated? Usually a car's speedometer is not accurate (though it normally shows that you're going faster than you actually are).
I'm going to download this now, though I'd be interested in maps of UK and Australia, so I'm not sure how useful it will be to me yet.
Casey
Please release this for the UK - awesome stuff!!!!!
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Maybe this sounds stupid, but how do you know you were doing 70mph? Using your car's speedometer? In which case, have you had it manually recalibrated? Usually a car's speedometer is not accurate (though it normally shows that you're going faster than you actually are).
I'm going to download this now, though I'd be interested in maps of UK and Australia, so I'm not sure how useful it will be to me yet.
Casey
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Yes using my cars speedometer, and no I have not had it calibrated.
Hi all, it really looks amazing.. Is there any way I can see how it works when i am in Europe? I just want to see something like preview - e. g. select two destinations in USA and than see how it goes. Thanks
Fact of the day! - Generally, Sat-Nav's register a more accurate Speed than the average Car's Speedometer. Speedometer's are configured at manufacturing to register a faster speed than what the car is actually going, this is to compensate for Tyre wear and other wear-and-tear happenings that all cars suffer from over time.
What I have noticed about this so far as that if I'm zoomed in relatively close.. not SUPER close mind you, but maybe 2 or 3 zoom levels back from the closest zoom, that it doesnt actually register the map, says map data not yet available... shows the route the of the road... the path but not the surround streets, weird. This only happens in certain area's of the city I live in too, not all over. Its like the map data just isnt there which I find odd. Its not like its loading a satelite photo so I dont know why it would do this. I tried xmaps from the marketplace the other day and it didnt have this problem. Id understand if it was a satelite image as you cant zoom in close to those sometimes, I used to have that issue in google maps where you would zoom in and it would just say you were too close.
Otherwise I LOVE this thing and am so happy I found it in the market the other day. Just an awesome APP
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There is no car/arrow on the road to indicate precisely where I am, but the basic mechanics.
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I noticed the Arrow is there, but hidden by the info at the bottom of the screen. Hopefully, an adjustment will fix that.
Also, Morten Nielsen's other App 'GuidePost' is pretty cool too!
Finally! Free TbT voice nav on WP7!
Guys, WP7 looks to become the leader of smartphones. The system is the best there is and now the features are appearing...albeit slowly.
I can live without custom ringtones, bluetooth file transfer, and sideloaded apps. However turn by turn navigation is a must. I have spent 3 days trawling the net for when and if we will get a working sat nav program. Obviously Navigon Select has an option for Deutsch Telekom, as does TeleNav for T-Mob and AT&T. When will these apps appear to the buying user....nobody knows. Bing Navigation has been rumoured as a free option since WP7's release, yet there is no info beyond its release for WinMo early last year.
Anyone got any new information on SatNav for the general user, as obviously sideloading the above apps is a NoGo for NoDo!
A-to-B works for me.
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A-to-B works for me.
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Wish it did for me, seems fine for the US, not to great in Europe
But how to build a turn by turn app if the api for the compass is not available?
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No news for any real GPS based navigation with maps loaded etc.
All those ones incl. A-to-B are based on mobile data so in a real life they are useless, whether you enter any worse coverage area or especially roaming.
And it doesn't look like it will change soon.
Compass API isn't necessary for turn-by-turn navigation, it can serve as an enhancement (and more so on paper than in real life).
Regarding Navigon, I've read somewhere that they have an exclusivity agreement with T-Mo Germany till summer. Don't know how reliable the source is, but the info sounds reasonable.
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No news for any real GPS based navigation with maps loaded etc.
All those ones incl. A-to-B are based on mobile data so in a real life they are useless, whether you enter any worse coverage area or especially roaming.
And it doesn't look like it will change soon.
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The route is actually calculated at the start, so only the tiles don't download if you lose signal meaning you can actually carry on with the route.
Casey
have any of you tried "Outdoor Navigation"?
http://www.wpcentral.com/outdoor-navigation-now-offers-offline-maps
I personally haven't, but could be promising?
These programs are nice but as I said, they require internet connection to be really used so they can't be really considered as full navgation programs.
But XMaps are amazing BTW.
The only real one is Nacigon select from T-Mobile Deutschlad.
If you are the adventurous type the .xap is very probably *cough* out there somewhere. But don't be tempted it's illegal you know?
Tuts how to add non German maps (If you own them!) are in the Dev forum
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It was asked a while back on the windows phone radio podcast and they said that they are trying to improve bing in europe before releasing a bing maps. Now with the nokia deal, I think they are going to integrate bing and ovimaps and get something released. Probably be late this year at the earliest.
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These programs are nice but as I said, they require internet connection to be really used so they can't be really considered as full navgation programs.
But XMaps are amazing BTW.
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If you're using A-to-B and you drive through a mobile deadzone, all that happens is the map data for that area doesn't load. You still see your planned route overlaid on blank grey terrain, and you still get your directions on-screen, the only thing is you can't see other side-roads etc.
It actually works sufficiently well. and the biggest benefit, of course, is that you don't need to purchase maps, nor provide oodles of storage on the phone for those maps, and the maps are always bang up-to-date as well.
It would be nice to have voiced directions and auto-recalc, but as it is, for a free app, A-to-B works pretty damn well, with or without a signal.
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Enjoy =)
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Very good idea to link to a site well known for supporting piracy. Duh.
Jim Coleman said:
If you're using A-to-B and you drive through a mobile deadzone, all that happens is the map data for that area doesn't load. You still see your planned route overlaid on blank grey terrain, and you still get your directions on-screen, the only thing is you can't see other side-roads etc.
It actually works sufficiently well. and the biggest benefit, of course, is that you don't need to purchase maps, nor provide oodles of storage on the phone for those maps, and the maps are always bang up-to-date as well.
It would be nice to have voiced directions and auto-recalc, but as it is, for a free app, A-to-B works pretty damn well, with or without a signal.
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Yes as for free app and lack of possibilities on WP7 it's quite OK. Those guys do a great job.
hi
i would like to ask u guys what navigation would u recomend for SGS2 or maybe for gingerbread in general. (i am owner of SGS2)
previous i was using on my SGS1 sygic navigation and i was extremly happy - quick location lock + everything i needed...and i could get it free... have friends from CZ - developers..but they aint able to get the sygic working well with 2.3+ i was reading a lots of articles about people complaining..
curently i am using SGS2 and i would love to know what would u guys recomend - what app...i know NAVIGON, GARMIN....but i havent tryed them on SGS2 yet
i am driving and cycling a lot and navigation is a important part of my phone...
i hope u will be able to share your exp with me.
Regards
Have you looked or searched through this forum at all? There's a recent forum topic already discussing this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1046055
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Have you looked or searched through this forum at all? There's a recent forum topic already discussing this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1046055
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yeh i had....but not enough i guess..forgive me then
Google Navigation. Simply the best (of course, my opinion), it'll be perfect when they enable offline maps, but I don't know when the will.
Google navigation got me lost something mean yesterday.
Was trying to lead me up buss only roads, tram tracks all sorts.
After an hour lost I had to pull out my crusty tom tom which lead
Me the right way. Normally its fine but yesterday it really let me down.
I have been using Sygic Mobile Maps without any problems for a long time. Then upgraded to Sygic Aura. Also worked without any problems and now, recently upgraded Aura to the newest Sygic GPS Navigation 3.0, which works really really great on the SGS2. Everything is fast and smooth and runs just perfectly. I'm loving it ;-)
Why not try NavFree UK
"When it comes to free navigation apps on Android it’s hard to look beyond the awesome Google Maps. But one company, Navmii, is trying its darndest to convert you over to its feature rich NavFree UK software. This app has already been doing big numbers on the iPhone – more than 1.7 million downloads – and now its Android turn to enjoy its gratis sat nav skills.
Navmii is able to hawk this app for nada because the map data is based around the community based OpenStreetMap (OSM). This means the users can update the mappage themselves to build a more accurate picture and with over 300,000 map updates already made by iPhone users, it appears Navfree is fast approaching pro-quality.
Unlike Google Maps, NavFree doesn’t rely on a data connection for its map feed. The whole of the UK & Republic of Ireland as a 300MB file is downloaded straight to your phone so your route won’t be interrupted should a network signal be lost.
Elsewhere, the app is stocked with features you would expect from dedicated sat nav devices: turn-by-turn voice instructions, 3D map view, a re-routing facility and Point of Interest (POI) search, amongst others. NavFree also lets you share your position and route via SMS, email and the top dog social networking services Facebook and Twitter."
Its downloadable from Expansys website as of now but i cant get it to run on my S2 as it just hangs ?
wwwdotexpansysdotcom forward slash navfree
Sorry, as a newbie to this forum im unable to post a direct link!!
Aura works fine on my SGS2 as well. Well, live traffic is not working at all, but many people were bothering Sygic support about this problem and Sygic is looking into this issue.
Other than that I am also happy with it, updated maps, lot's of POI's.
I am not so sure about the quality of route planning.
Navigon always gives you 3 alternative routes for you to choose from and I have a feeling, it planned better, but they have Q32011 maps, in comparison to Q12011 maps for Sygic, which makes a big difference for Ireland.
Sygic also promises free map updates, nor Navigon or Copilot promise you that, in fact, Navigon says that they don't plan to update the maps in the close future...
Navfree gives me the same problem on SGS2 - it initially says Installing.... then blackscreens and drops out.
I have a problem with google maps navigation. (Apart from the hideous voice). It takes a few seconds to get a gps lock but if I miss a turning, route recalculation takes ages. Like minutes rather than seconds. Not a gps hardware issue as I also use igo and it locks & recalculates routes almost instantly. Strange.
Google navigation .If your country don't have google navigation activated. go her u ned root.
Hey guys ,im a new samsung user .I bougth galaxy s 2 in UK but im living in Turkey ,the problem which i faced is GPS problem it can finds satelites but no fixing any idea what i can do ? the software is last version KE7 need a help
Steel
Waze for free, TomTom for pay.
I have been using TomTom for years as a standalone car navigator, so I could not resist to buy it for my SGS2.
But before it was released for Android, I used Waze and I must say that it is very good, even if I prefer the professional look and content of TomTom.
Google Navigation when in my own country and have flat rate data plan
CoPilot Live Premium for off-line navigation when driving outside my country
Locus for off-line maps (free vector) when hiking, walking in nature and trying to find my way in big towns
Talk about necromania - digging up topics from 2011...
Anyway, my choice is NavFree (nav and voice directions for driving) and MapsWithMe (for walking around the cities). Both free, both offline.