I am coming from a WinMo 6.1 AT&T Tilt (TYTN II) I bought it about 2 years ago and it has the Dutty Series ROM. Good phone but it just doesnt keep up on the web. Been through a bind with the screen absorbing some water but replaced it and it back to normal. I am looking at the Desire Z but I see on Ebay that a lot of G2 are being passed off as Z's. I know the main difference is the ROM available, One has 1.5GB and the other supposedly has 4GB, that is of no importance to me as I will be purchasing a 16GB microSD card. How does the HTC Sense feel to you guys? Is it worth it?
I was aiming for the Win7 platform but its such a new interface, I fear it will have bugs and as usual, the end-user is going to be the tester and have to deal with the bugs. I was pointed towards the Desire Z by a friend who had it and loved it but had to change carriers and couldn't take the phone with him.
What is the opinion of the forum of G2 and the Z. Is it better to go with one or the other? I absolutely need the keyboard. My fingers do not fair well with an on-screen keyboard. The other thing I would like to do is use it in The States but also have capability in Europe, specifically Greece as I fly back and forth periodically. Would the bands work between the two countries both on 2G and 3G networks? I don't cruise on the net a whole bunch because of my current phone, but I am hoping to change that with the new purchase.
Pete
Hi there, sorry to see you've had no response to your questions, I can't really answer as to which is best of the two, but I can tell you that I have owned the desire z for a few weeks now and like yourself, I must have a physical qwerty board as I can't get on with on screen keyboards very well. The desire z is a great handset, it's quick enough, smooth enough, has enough room for apps, and I actually quite like sense, when I first had my HTC desire about a year ago when they first came out, I couldn't have tried harder to get sense off of it, and have had a stream of "bare bones" android phones since. I have to say that having sense on it now has bought a few real bonuses to the table that I'd shrugged off before. Granted, its been improved on the z now, and as a result I would say that imho its better have now than not.
The memory is the same on both. Check out http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#The_Missing_2GB
If you are with a network that has 4G or are likely to change networks in the foreseeable future then get the G2 to make use of it, if that is not an issue then the DZ would suffice as that is the only difference. But check what bands each phone supports before you make a decision pal.
I am pretty sure the G2 and Desire Z have exactly the same download and upload speed, except the G2 doesn't come with Sense by default and operates on 1700/2100 frequencies. Bell's Desire Z will get 3G on AT&T but I think it has the 2100 band removed so it may not get 3G in Europe.
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I came from the Tytn II also -- the only thing I regretted (at first) was not being able to use my considerable collection of bought Windows Mobile 6 software, but I was screwed anyway since WinMo 7 wasn't going to be backwards compatible. So now I'm an android geek, and loving it.
Desire Z is an amazing phone.
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I am pretty sure the G2 and Desire Z have exactly the same download and upload speed, except the G2 doesn't come with Sense by default and operates on 1700/2100 frequencies. Bell's Desire Z will get 3G on AT&T but I think it has the 2100 band removed so it may not get 3G in Europe.
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Yeah Greece runs on 900/1800 & 2100 for 3G....So I need to maybe buy a phone with these specs. Perhaps I can get lucky and buy it from a UK website cheaper. They want close to $750 for it in a retail store of Greece.
One other question....I am searching for A7272 which is the international version HTC Desire Z. I was looking through some auctions and the Desire Z / G2 say that they have a S-LCD display....when searching for A7272, the sellers claim that the screen is AMOLED....Is there truth to this?
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One other question....I am searching for A7272 which is the international version HTC Desire Z. I was looking through some auctions and the Desire Z / G2 say that they have a S-LCD display....when searching for A7272, the sellers claim that the screen is AMOLED....Is there truth to this?
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It's not AMOLED, it's S-LCD. But it's a very good display.
Which networks do you want your phone to run on ? Here's a summary of which 3G bands the G2/DZ versions operate on (note that you can *not* change this via a radio update, it's set in hardware) :
G2 - Bands IV(1700) and I (2100).
Desire Z - Band I (2100) and Band VIII (900).
Bell Desire Z - Band II (1900) and Band V (850) - same bands as AT&T uses in the US.
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It's not AMOLED, it's S-LCD. But it's a very good display.
Which networks do you want your phone to run on ? Here's a summary of which 3G bands the G2/DZ versions operate on (note that you can *not* change this via a radio update, it's set in hardware) :
G2 - Bands IV(1700) and I (2100).
Desire Z - Band I (2100) and Band VIII (900).
Bell Desire Z - Band II (1900) and Band V (850) - same bands as AT&T uses in the US.
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Well I absolutely need the 900/2100 (2G / 3G respectively for Greece) because I spend a good chunk of time there. As far as the US is concerned, I run on T-Mobile there. Worst case scenario, I'll keep my TYTN II for use in the States.
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...One has 1.5GB and the other supposedly has 4GB, that is of no importance to me as I...
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Note that both machines have nearly identical hardware. They BOTH have 4GB physical RAM however this is permanently partitioned at the factory so that approx 2GB is usable. There are threads on this board that discuss this at length. Upshot is that we have 2GB effective RAM in both the Desire Z and the G2.
So I am poking around the net...I found that the G-2 from T-Mobile has Quad Band and UMTS for 1700/2100....Greece runs on 900/1800 GSM & UMTS 2100...Big question is...whats the difference between buying a Desire Z and a G2. I am looking at about a $150 gap in the price....Is the UI different? Hardware different? Screen? Some people are saying theirs has a TFT...others say LCD....even found one that said AMOLED (which I KNOW is wrong)
It looks like the G2 will run in Greece...but I don't care too much for that Google Interface...Can I drop that UI and put something else? Can I load up HTCSense and still register the G2 on the site and have those options or is that strictly a Desire Z option?
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So I am poking around the net...I found that the G-2 from T-Mobile has Quad Band and UMTS for 1700/2100....Greece runs on 900/1800 GSM & UMTS 2100...Big question is...whats the difference between buying a Desire Z and a G2. I am looking at about a $150 gap in the price....Is the UI different? Hardware different? Screen? Some people are saying theirs has a TFT...others say LCD....even found one that said AMOLED (which I KNOW is wrong)
It looks like the G2 will run in Greece...but I don't care too much for that Google Interface...Can I drop that UI and put something else? Can I load up HTCSense and still register the G2 on the site and have those options or is that strictly a Desire Z option?
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The only real difference are the radio bands (fixed in hardware, you can't change it) and the hardware keyboard layout. They do come with different ROMs, Sense on the DZ and without Sense on the G2. Same screens (S-LCD), same memory, same everything else.
Yes, you can flash a Sense ROM onto a G2 or vice versa. If you have a Sense ROM you should be able to use HTCSense.com (though that functionality is not finished yet by HTC).
I recommend you choose your phone based on the radio band support. You can easily change to a different ROM if you want to. So I think you need a DZ based on the radio bands (DZ in Europe has Band I - 2100, and Band VIII - 900 ; the G2's band 1700/2100 is a different band, Band IV).
I have a brand new desire z I bought for my girlfriend but she doesn't like it and wants an Iphone (go figure) I will sell to you if you want?
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I have a brand new desire z I bought for my girlfriend but she doesn't like it and wants an Iphone (go figure) I will sell to you if you want?
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No offense Sparacis, but because it is a high amount of money for a product. I want to purchase it online with a little bit of protection. Just in case something happens. I hope you understand.
perfectly understandable no offense taken. Just thought I would throw it out there.
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Screen? Some people are saying theirs has a TFT...others say LCD....even found one that said AMOLED (which I KNOW is wrong)
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It's S-LCD which is a type of P-VA which is a type of (TFT-)LCD.
Clear?
I upgraded from the Tilt2 to the Desire Z, and was completely blown away at how much better this phone is. Switching from the 3 year old Tilt to the DZ is going to absolutely blow your mind. You will not want to use your old Tilt anymore after you upgrade, trust me (except as an emergency backup device).
As steviewevie mentioned, you should pick the version that has the radios you need, since this is a hardware thing, and can't be changed. The software is completely changeable. You can always flash a Sense ROM onto the G2. Sounds like you need to buy either a Euro Desire Z or the T-Mob G2, depending on which will give you 3G in the country you spend the most time in.
Also, Sense is really just an enhancement to Android. Lots of elements of the Android OS still remain. And lots of what Sense does, can be accomplished with third party apps and homescreen widgets. So you can alway try that route, if you decide to get a G2 and are gun shy about ROM flashing.
I agree that Windows Phone 7 is too new an OS to invest in at the moment. App support is going to be slow to build up steam. It took Android the better part of 2 years before the app market really started reaching critical mass. And it really remains to be seen whether WP7 can really survive in the current smartphone environment. MS really has a tough fight in front of them if they want to prove themselves a viable competitor to Apple and Android.
Bottom line, if the hardware keyboard is a must, the Desire Z/G2 is the best phone around right now. You won't be disappointed if you buy it.
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So I am poking around the net...I found that the G-2 from T-Mobile has Quad Band and UMTS for 1700/2100....Greece runs on 900/1800 GSM & UMTS 2100...Big question is...whats the difference between buying a Desire Z and a G2. I am looking at about a $150 gap in the price....Is the UI different? Hardware different? Screen? Some people are saying theirs has a TFT...others say LCD....even found one that said AMOLED (which I KNOW is wrong)
It looks like the G2 will run in Greece...but I don't care too much for that Google Interface...Can I drop that UI and put something else? Can I load up HTCSense and still register the G2 on the site and have those options or is that strictly a Desire Z option?
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Wrote a huge editorally on my opinions, but somehow lost it all running spellcheck so the super abridged, is if you want the physical keyboard get the vision if u don't use it get the HD2, you can dual boot win-android, but right now android is the way to go... but i'm still pissed
i got 1 to work with att and it was will worth it
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Wrote a huge editorally on my opinions, but somehow lost it all running spellcheck so the super abridged, is if you want the physical keyboard get the vision if u don't use it get the HD2, you can dual boot win-android, but right now android is the way to go... but i'm still pissed
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The HD2 specs are somewhat behind those of the Vision, and my understanding is an Android port is never going to run as well as a phone that runs it natively (but not speaking from experience on the HD2 specifically). And I hate to admit it, but WM6 is dead and needs to be buried. I don't miss it for a second. If the Desire HD is a available in your market, I can see that as a strong option. Otherwise, the Vision does not have many legitimate contenders right now.
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This is an amazing phone.
I am waiting to see on which service it will be released. I'm hoping t-mobile, but many doubt it...
The bands that it runs on, what service are they compatible with in the US?
I'm sure people (me?) will purchase this phone from different places and would want to use it in America.
What 3g would it be compatible with, if any?
I was in a t-mobile store on friday and The customer rep said they will be selling a htc snapdragon android.
They already are...the Nexus One.
I personally doubt that TMo would sell the Desire in addition to the Nexus One considering that they are essentially the same device.
is this gonna be the new AT&T HTC Android phone???
oh boy! oh boy!
Telstra Desire to At&t 3G
This may be a bit of a jump
But it looks like Telstra (AU) will be one of the early release partners for the Desire... I believe they run a 850 Mhz 3g band...
At&t is largely 850 Mhz as well..
Assuming that it works as well as the HD2 did (Telstra HD2s seem to work pretty well on At&t), we may have a US 3G Desire sooner than we thought...
The strange part is that HTC has directly said that a US 3g version is not in the plans any time soon, but if they already have one with the correct band...(yes I know it's not 100% right, but it still seems strange)
Thoughts?
You may not have to import. The Desire is coming to ATT: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/02/23/att-picking-up-htc-desire-sprint-grabbing-htc-hero2/
Fingers crossed...
Though I sort of hope the Desire shows up on Tmobile first to give me a good excuse to get myself to jump off At&t...
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Fingers crossed...
Though I sort of hope the Desire shows up on Tmobile first to give me a good excuse to get myself to jump off At&t...
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ME TOO! Gosh im so tired of ATT, their prices and customer service. Just terrible. I think if this came out for T-Mobile i would give them a try, just a little nervous for their coverage. I live in California-Bay area so i hope its great there, but trips to Tahoe and such, not sure about yet Anyone in California on T-Mobile hoping for this phone? Hows your experience with T-Mobile too?
If it comes to T-mobile I might pick it up for the hell of it...... looks like a great phone
Im enjoying my nexus with the Desire rom. Its nearly flawless except for camera flash
I remember reading that this phone will be coming to all major carriers
I think T-mobile is a major carrier?
If Telstra get this I'm camping out for it
It must be 3.5G capable to work on Telstra's NextG network otherwise they wont add it to their product line... Any thoughts on this?
T-Mobile already has the Nexus one. AT&T has said they are pushing for an Android Nexus one competitor. Doesn't it make sense that the Desire is it? I dont' see T-Mobile getting the Desire at all.
Verizon is getting the Nexus one, Sprint is getting the Hero 2. These are confirmed. The Desires only home right now is AT&T.
Exchange Support
I've been reading up on the phone vs. the Nexus One and the press releases are stating that HTC beefed up the Exchange support in this build.
Can anyone running the leaked build comment on that support? Does it support subfolders? Calendar? Tasks?
I'd rather not have to buy a 3rd party app to get this -basic- Exchange functionality!
I too, would like to know how this. I have read that the Sense UI adds Calendar syncing to the Mail and Contact syncing that the N1 has.
Does it also add the ability to access the Global Address List?
only difference in the new exchange support is that it allows for peak and off-peak scheduling. everything else is the same.
I believe it also has task sync too...
Search for exchange on this page:
http://www.buzzcritic.com/gadgets/htc-desire-official-nexus-one-with-htc-sense
If we can go by the software in the very similar new HTC Legend, then it does Mail, Calendar and Contacts, but not Tasks.
You can read up on this for yourself in the new online manuals for the Legend. Just go to the HTC website and look for the Legend Manuals under support.
The same situation occurs for the iPhone/iTouch. In that case, there is an excellent 3rd party application called IMExchange which syncs tasks to the mobile device using WebDav, the OWA API. In practice this works well.
Hopefully someone will do the same for Android.
Ah, the thing that's most important to me is subfolders, and it looks like it's not supported by default. Oh well.
I believe it does support folders. Brightpoint has an article reflecting this.
I am a new user here so cant post urls yet, but if you google "android 2.1 exchange folders", the first reply is from brightpoint and show screen grabs including folder support.
HSPA support
According to HTC, the Desire won't support 3G in USA.
HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Could someone explain me why as it has exactly the same chips and the same hardware as the Nexus One ?
Why no 1700 MHz ?
Did you know that the Desire would be available in silver ? I just saw that today.
http://news.google.fr/news/search?aq=f&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=htc+desire+silver
Probably a cost cutting measure because this phone is aimed at the Asian and European market.
Hey Guys I have a question...
I'm from Europe - Romania more specifically and I'd like to buy an EVO...Saw some good offers on Ebay ...but ...there's the sliding screen/light leeking issue...What if I buy a faulty device ? I'm not willing to spend over 500 $ on a bad phone - although at the moment, I Really Really want it and considering that I'm a student...it's a big investment for me...Is there a possibility to know what I'm buying ? What should I do ? Thanks
Are there any 4G networks in your area that run on the WiMax frequency supported by the Evo? If not, and you are just looking for a 4.3" Android device, the Motorola Droid X is launching stateside on June 23rd.
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Are there any 4G networks in your area that run on the WiMax frequency supported by the Evo? If not, and you are just looking for a 4.3" Android device, the Motorola Droid X is launching stateside on June 23rd.
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Well,no,we don't have 4g here,only 3 or 3.5 g...but it's ok...I'm not after the 4g feature,I just want the phone and by the way do you think it will work with a sim card ? cause we don't have CDMA here,just GSM...It would be nice if I could know where to buy an unlocked Evo that will last ) at least 2 or 3 years...I also bought a new Touch Pro 4 months ago and paid 400$ for it and I don't wanna make a bad investment in buying a useless phone.Know what I mean ?
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Well,no,we don't have 4g here,only 3 or 3.5 g...but it's ok...I'm not after the 4g feature,I just want the phone and by the way do you think it will work with a sim card ? cause we don't have CDMA here,just GSM...It would be nice if I could know where to buy an unlocked Evo that will last ) at least 2 or 3 years...I also bought a new Touch Pro 4 months ago and paid 400$ for it and I don't wanna make a bad investment in buying a useless phone.Know what I mean ?
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Evo doesn't have sim card slot on it.. so unlocked or locked.. there is no way you can use it there.. you are better of buying any phone offer by t-mobile or att, which are GSM.
Omg ...So..then the Evo is out of the way ...FU Sprint ! Thanks for sharing the non-gsm feature or otherwise I would of done a really bad deal...
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Omg ...So..then the Evo is out of the way ...FU Sprint ! Thanks for sharing the non-gsm feature or otherwise I would of done a really bad deal...
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Unfortunately, I don't think the Droid X has a SIM card either. Which I find strange... I was under the impression that all of Verizon's smartphones were going to be world phones after the Storm.
WiMAX (4g Network) in US, Australia, Canada, Russia, South Korea ....
work on 2.5 GHz. So all phone you see today on market where is so called wimax phones or 4g phones work on 2.5 GHz and can work in any of this regions.
In Europe there are also 4G networks for example in Romania (Radiocom has wimax network in Bulgaria Maxtelecom in Serbia VeratNet etc..) but all of that 4g networks are on 3.5 GHz not on 2.5 GHz. So it is not compatibile.
Desire HD?
It's a European 4.3" HTC Android phone. Has a aluminum unibody shell, a better CPU, a much better GPU, and 100% more RAM. I don't think it has a FFC but otherwise it's much better than the EVO. Hell, I wish it was on Sprint.
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Desire HD?
It's a European 4.3" HTC Android phone. Has a aluminum unibody shell, a better CPU, a much better GPU, and 100% more RAM. I don't think it has a FFC but otherwise it's much better than the EVO. Hell, I wish it was on Sprint.
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Desire HD is indeed very good phone. If I am on market today (in Europe) I would buy Desire HD or Nexus S they are both awesome phones and will work in Europe without problem.
Both of this phones are 3G/HDSPA/Edge phones and they are not WiMAX (4G phones). There are few WiMAX 4G phones today on market wich you can use in Australia/USA/Canada/Korea/Russia and not in Europe. The only difference is frequency for 4G 2.5 Ghz insted of 3.5 Ghz and that is very sad. In Spain there is Clearwire operator (this one from US) www.clearwire.es but they don't have same frequency for this 4G in Europe they work on 3.5 Ghz.
So I've been using an unlocked g2 on At&t for about a month now and I absolutely love it. I recently found out that the Desire z A7275 model will support At&t's 3g bands in the US. Because of the 3g compatibility, I am most likely going to switch.
I currently have my g2 temprooted and overclocked. This may be a silly question but...the change in band frequency on the Desire Z A7275 won't change anything as far as rooting, will it?
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Not at all. They are essentially the same device. Using an unlocked/unbranded NAM Desire Z myself on AT&T and have had no problems rooting, modding, etc.
I have the A7275 on AT&T also. Perm rooted (with SuperCID,S-Off) and overclocked no problem.
On a side note, the Bell stock ROM is missing HTC Locations and Car Panel. But I use Google Maps anyway, and I find the car panel to be kinda useless.
The Bell stock ROM comes with a good amount of bloatware. But I was able to remove most of it with Titanium Backup, and the rest with an app called Absolute System Root Tool.
You guys *should* be able to use a custom ROM like Virtuous to keep Sense but go with a more stock Sense ROM.
I thought about getting an AT&T one and staying with them, but their data network in my area is freakin awful. Been with them 10 years, since they were SouthwesternBellWireless, and finally switched to T-Mobile for the G2. My coverage isn't any better, but at least when my phone says '3G', I get 3G speeds. Plus it's ~$50/mo cheaper for 2 phones.
LOVE the G2/Desire Z tho.
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You guys *should* be able to use a custom ROM like Virtuous to keep Sense but go with a more stock Sense ROM.
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Using custom ROM's isn't an issue. I am running Cyanogen 6.1 as I'm not a big fan of the Sense UI. Cyanogen's ROM feels much snappier on the device and is a cleaner, more basic look overall.
From my understanding, once you are Rooted and have S-OFF, any ROM that is compatible with the G2 will work with the Desire-Z. They did merge the two forums into one. These are the exact same devices, just with different band frequencies.
I know this is off topic, but as a former CSR for AT&T Mobility, I have absolutely no idea why you would go to such lengths to use their service. Is T-Mo just not available in your area?
Question, where did you guys get your A7275 from and for how much? I want one
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I know this is off topic, but as a former CSR for AT&T Mobility, I have absolutely no idea why you would go to such lengths to use their service. Is T-Mo just not available in your area?
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Trust me, if I could get out of at&t's service I would. Unfortunately, I'm on a family plan with 4 lines. I havent upgraded in years, so technically, my contract is up. However, the rest of my family upgraded this past summer so I'm stuck with at&t for another 2 years. Early termination fees are too much and I can't afford to go pay for my own plan on another carrier. And, on top of that, T-mobile just arrived in my area and only has one or two towers.
Another question though: I've seen some unofficial alternate color schemes of the g2/desire z (black/blue). Does anyone know if there are any alternate versions of the 850/1900 3g desire z?
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Question, where did you guys get your A7275 from and for how much? I want one
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http://negrielectronics.com/htc-desire-z-850-1900-3g-unlocked.html
^This is where I will probably end up buying mine. Also, check out the below site for coupon codes ($35 off).
http://www.retailmenot.com/view/negrielectronics.com
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Another question though: I've seen some unofficial alternate color schemes of the g2/desire z (black/blue). Does anyone know if there are any alternate versions of the 850/1900 3g desire z?
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I think that black/blue one was a prototype or at least an early idea for the colour scheme. There's no news that I'm aware of on any alternate colour schemes at the moment.
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I know this is off topic, but as a former CSR for AT&T Mobility, I have absolutely no idea why you would go to such lengths to use their service. Is T-Mo just not available in your area?
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T-Mob coverage has not been great in my area (although I haven't really investigated it too thoroughly in the last couple years). I also require international roaming service for work, and AT&T is the best for that.
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http://negrielectronics.com/htc-desire-z-850-1900-3g-unlocked.html
^This is where I will probably end up buying mine. Also, check out the below site for coupon codes ($35 off).
http://www.retailmenot.com/view/negrielectronics.com
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I got mine from Negri. They were great. They have webchat feature, and the customer service rep was very helpful, and was able to confirm the phone was in stock. I got a shipment confirmation about 2 hours after I placed the order, and the phone was in my hands 2 days later.
I have read for a while and I have found nothing that will make me 100% sure for what I need.
I'm interested in buying this phone as it's similar to the Sprint Evo Shift but will work with the new GSM network my carrier has with HSPA+ (at least for 7.2mbps as far as I've read).
So, I know the DZ will work as my carrier uses 850/1900 for HSPA, but I've seen that people with AT&T in the US buy the DZ (not the G2 as T-Mobile uses other frequencies).
My question is, what's finally the difference between both phones? Is there a hardware difference that makes them operate on different frequencies or is it only related to the flashed radio?
It's confusing to me as many people in the forum assure in other threads that the phones are exactly the same, but if people with AT&T spend more for the canadian version makes me think it's a HW issue.
Thank you and regards
Frequency compatibility is set in hardware, and can't be modified with software. You need to buy the phone that is compatible with your carrier's 3G network. As you suspected, this is the reason why AT&T customers (like myself) have paid premium prices for the Bell Canada version of the Z, the only version of the Vision that is fully compatible with AT&T's 850/1900 MHz 3G network.
Aside from frequency compability, the Z and the G2 are essentially the same phone. The G2 has a keyboard button for .www and .com (its a Tab key on the Z). But that's really it. Of course, the Z has Sense, but that is software, and you can flash a Sense ROM if you want.
redpoint73, thank you very much. I have the Evo Shift right now that works on the 3G CDMA network, but my provider just released the 4G HSPA+ GSM network and since then, I feel 3G speeds are getting lower every day and the network isn't as stable anymore as it used to be.
I was about to buy the T-Mobile version, but now I'm confident that I need the Bell version... Will have to wait for a good deal on Ebay. Too bad that HTC has only these options with keyboard, I really like my Evo Shift, but I'm getting speeds as low as 380kbps for download while users with HSPA+ are getting up to 4mbps...
Are you sure that GSM phones even work on Sprint? My understanding is that the your phone needs to be Sprint branded, otherwise they will not have an ESN number to activate in the system.
BTW, please click the "Thanks" button, if my post helped you.
No, I'm in Mexico, my carrier is Iusacell. They used to be a CDMA network, the first 3G network in Mexico built more than 10 years ago, most of us used to buy Sprint phones as they were the best to port to this company, however now they are starting their GSM network and it looks as if they're starting to leave the CDMA network out of the priority, so I'm looking for a phone that will work. I have done my research and they use the 850/1900 frequencies for HSPA+, so most US/Canada phones will work but not T-Mobile.
Thank you...
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No, I'm in Mexico, my carrier is Iusacell. They used to be a CDMA network, the first 3G network in Mexico built more than 10 years ago, most of us used to buy Sprint phones as they were the best to port to this company, however now they are starting their GSM network and it looks as if they're starting to leave the CDMA network out of the priority, so I'm looking for a phone that will work. I have done my research and they use the 850/1900 frequencies for HSPA+, so most US/Canada phones will work but not T-Mobile.
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Ahh, I understand now. That makes a lot more sense. You didn't mention your carrier (or country), but mentioned Sprint, so I assumed that was your carrier.
Right now, it seems that indeed the Bell Canada version of the Desire Z is best fit for what you want (same conclusion that I came to a few months ago).
Redpoint, don't forget the partitions are different on the phone also. The DZ has smaller partitions (system at least) than the G2. This hasn't been an issue... yet, given than every custom so far has been well below the stock size of even the DZ. With the new sense though, things are going to only go up in size for those ROMs. That being said it still shouldn't be an issue.
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Redpoint, don't forget the partitions are different on the phone also. The DZ has smaller partitions (system at least) than the G2. This hasn't been an issue... yet, given than every custom so far has been well below the stock size of even the DZ. With the new sense though, things are going to only go up in size for those ROMs. That being said it still shouldn't be an issue.
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Hard for me to forget it, since I wasn't aware of that :-/
Whats the exact breakdown of the difference in system partitions?
That's actually opposite of what one would expect, since the Sense ROMs take up more memory.
Yes, I hadn't mentioned my carrier earlier. Now my issue is that shipping from Canada to Mexico is prohibitive (more than 90USD), so maybe I will have to stay with the AT&T inspire... Will have to use Swype or something similar as an alternative to the physical keyboard.
mschmiedel said:
Yes, I hadn't mentioned my carrier earlier. Now my issue is that shipping from Canada to Mexico is prohibitive (more than 90USD), so maybe I will have to stay with the AT&T inspire... Will have to use Swype or something similar as an alternative to the physical keyboard.
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I was going to recommend the Inspire, even though you seemed to need/want a physical keyboard. It looks like a great phone.
The Desire Z is my 3rd smartphone, and all have had physical keyboards. But for my next, I am seriously considering going without the physical keyboard. I can't stand typing on a touch screen by the "traditional" method. But I've found that with Swype, I can type as fast, maybe even faster than with the physical keyboard. I've been finding myself using the physical keyboard much less than I thought I would.
Yes, I really like Swype too, but I have some issues with it. I write moste messages in Spanish, but I also use English and German. Changing languages is not as easy as I think it should be. But well, the main issue for me is that Swype always uses special charecters in Spanish/German (ñ, á, ä, etc.) which is nice on Emails, whatsapp, etc. but is a big problem with SMS texting as carriers in Mexico don't support these characters (it's really stupid) so messages sometimes get messed up completely.
I think that's the main reason why I like the physical keyboard. I have had many smartphones (mogul, touch, diamond, touch pro, motorola droid, htc evo and now the evo shift). I really hated the droid's keyboard, but the shift is really nice to use. Will have to get used to using on screen typing again... I think it's not worth paying 500 bucks for the Desire Z due to shippig if I can get a brand new Inspire for less...
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redpoint73 said:
Hard for me to forget it, since I wasn't aware of that :-/
Whats the exact breakdown of the difference in system partitions?
That's actually opposite of what one would expect, since the Sense ROMs take up more memory.
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Sorry, didn't come back to this thread yesterday. I'm not sure of the exact breakdown for the partitions. I know the system is smaller and a couple others vary. There's an old thread somewhere on here with the details though.
Couldn't find an answer for this question sorry. I am thinking of buying the Desire HD A9191 but I want to make sure I will get at least 3G here in San Diego on T-Mobile. Thanks in advance for some assistance.
Sorry but no. You'll only be able to manage EDGE. the sensation 4g is right around the corner I would suggest that.
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desire hd a9191 model quad band 3G
Actually I believe this specific desire HD will get 3g on tmous they claim the a9191 model to be quad band 3G not just quad band GSM... and also say works with all carriers T-Mobile is listed so I would imagine u *#*#4636#*#* and then hit menu select bands then T-Mobile US then the correct radio and or ril...T-Mobile EU is in list too... it may depend on where you are located, I'm in DC and I knew someone who got H 3G on euro milestone on T-Mobile using that method and that phone has the 900/2100mhz, I held a sensation today and it has less ram and is 100% plastic and the screen is narrower... I'm with thus Guy on an a9191 Desire HD with the full unibody aluminum housing.. the phone is so nice I went and got the att version unlocked so its an inspire 2G now and am rocking edge (the E is such an ugly site someone make a theme that replaces edge icon with 4G just to trick my mind lol) just cause its worth the trade offphone if u wondering why i think this device rockd u probly have only used on sense ui rom its all about great its the combo of a perfectly tuned CM7.1 with this amazing device... but yea trying to get some confirmed info also on the a9191 version ofcourse ill get it and it will end up working but then some **** like att will own T-Mobile then and the stupid inspire will get 3G/4G anyway... why is it that the phone u want never offered by your carrier... if someone can confirm this please do thanks
This model is not quadband 3g. T-Mobile USA runs on1700/2100 for 3g . This model uses 900/2100. So their is a chance you might be able to pick up 3g, but it depends what frequency they are using in your specific area. If they use 1700 in SD then your stuck on edge if they use 2100 then you'll get 3g.
But like I recommended the sensation 4g is right around the corner. With that your guaranteed 3g comparability plus a better screen, dual core
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I automatically shot down the quadband 3G stated on this a9191 model desire HD... but in several sited places to purchase the phone it clearly states quadband 3G not quadband GSM like everyother device... it also says worldwide 3G will work on any carrier...
The sesnsation is not a worthy replacement for this device... like I said above its all plastic yes its dual core but has less ram... ram is much more needed then a second core when the single is overclocked to 1.5ghz its stupid fast and will use half the battery that the sensation will... the screen is narrowed and stretched on sensation... I prefer the square brick style of the dhd... sensation may be out in a day or too but if not getting contract or upgrade price on it why bother if dhd a9191 will get hsdpa on tmous... sensation is $550 off contract dhd $400 to $550 and all the development is done for dhd already... no waiting for working perm root s-off and engineering bootloader... I know where I am in DC I've seen a euro 900/2100 milestone get hsdpa here... so I'm good even if it turns out to not be quad band 3G.. but have clearly read that this specific dhd is able to pull hsdpa from any carrier worldwide... its unbranded and sold as unlocked only by websites there is not carrier tied to this device.... yes in the past getting 3G in us and worldwide was not an option but think how long could that remain as a worldwide industry standard... there's phones listed comming out for T-Mobile that show both T-Mobile and att 3g bands on a single device... clearly as technology keeps up at its current rate its not hard to believe that this day may have finally come upon us with woldwide 3G... ofcourse there's no advertising for these devices as then carriers wouldn't be able to sell contracts.... think about the GSM evo 3D comming soon.... wtf is that all about and what good would it be if it didn't have this same technology that is supposedly wrapped up in this very similar desire HD of the specific a9191 part# no other phone on any of the sites selling that model say will get 3G worldwide on any carrier T-Mobile aswell as at&t and many others are listed... and I also knew someone that had a UK tmobile G1 and came to visit here in states and upon getting off plane he had edge connection.. so called T-Mobile and was told to switch to US 3G Band by dialing *#*#4636#*#* and he did this and his UK G1 dream connected on 3G... so if u like the inspire 4G, the Thunderbolt, desire HD, evo 4G or. 3D because of the physical appearance or heavy/ solid/metal feel then u will not like the 100% plastic htc sensation... yes that's a nice feature of sensation to be able to change housing as fast as removing batt cover so u will not need any protection as if u drop sensation and screw it up u will be able to buy new entire exterior housing for under $20 on eBay....the only thing giving the sensation any wieght is the battery and the thick contoured tempered digitizer glass... it is not a worthy substitute for a nand flashed HD2 that's been done properly... and the stock sense 3.0 with all apps killed on sensation gives only 113mb ram.. that cpus will not be able to make up for that serious lack of ram... it is not 768mb like dhd or tbolt it must be like 620mb cause its only displaying Max in 530mb range so once again the pre spec sheets lie or the ppl reviewing these devices are retarded and can't take a minute to download a simple app that displays the actual hardware specs... its ridiculous... this isn't rocket science anyone reviewing a device for a forum should have atleast 1/2 a brain to catch these hyped up inaccurate pre release guess specs... its bull**** u put 1gb ram in your PC it displays 1024mb ram so how come when they say we have 768mb ram on phone it actually shows 620mb wtf? Here's screen shot of my inspire 4G Max available ram... I used same method to check sensation and it shows 530mb so how do both devices have 768mb.... (yes its an HTC inspire despite the moto blur look) http://db.tt/KQWMtT7
Maybe I answered my own question on the ram discrepency says now in free memory widget maximum amount of mem for users applications... I'm gonna guess that the missing 148mb is dedicated entirely to the system rom and apps and is never displayed... still doesn't really make much sense though cause if 238mb is pre designated to system on htc sensation then what is using up over 400mb after closing all background apps with atk? Sense UI 3.0 has gotta be one of the heaviest stock roms ever... junk .....if u want **** to look like sense use cm7.1 and make it look like sense or blur whatever... no excuse or good reason at all to use any rom that is not vanilla or cm based as your just killing your own android experience that is ofcourse if its an option for your device.... HD2 CM7.1 runs 100 times better then sensation on sense 3.0 and gets about same download speeds....hd2 little slower on speed test... 6000kbps vs 7000kbps and now that rom manager supports HD2 that was last feature needed to be equal to an official android device... if u have T-Mobile and want a fully modable HTC 4.3" there's your device.... HTC HD2 with nand flashed CM7.1 even with less ram then sensation has 150mb more free avail then sensation with no Widgets on screens.,..
Mardsta or whatever u answered dude first with no u will only get edge period.. then after hearing what I had to say u have changed your answer to yes maybe depending on your area... so r u just pissing in the wind? Clearly u have not actually taken the a9191 Device and tried to get 3G on tmous with it... so ur just guessing away and passing it off as fact.... if you do not know the answer 100% for sure don't act like it as it only make finding the correct info that much harder...
I actually did read both your responses even though long winded. In part you were right about my first answer. I had forgotten that in some places tmo will use the 2100 frequencies. They tend to use the 1700. Simple mistake.
I have used this model in question in the Los Angeles area. Not once did I pick up 3g on att or T-Mobile.
As to the sensation I offered it as a suggestion. You may not like it " maybe the open will. So get off your high horse. The dual core is actually more effiicient and battery friendly. Its the beauty of progress.
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U r fulla **** u never tried with that model desire hd a9191
Wow, didn't mean to start such a pissing match guys. I ended up getting the Sensation and I love it. Who needs 3G, I now have 4G. This phone is amazing!
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My bro just scouped one up (a9191) on Craig's list NYC and previous owner said would get 3G in queens but not Manhattan... hopefully not fulla****... currently trying everything possible to get it to work in NJ right outside Manhattan.... well see what happens...