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Telus TP2 specs and release date

Anyone have a clue when the TP2 worldphone is due for Telus?
Also, will the front camera be included in the phone? I know in the past the vga cam was removed since CDMA did not support the dual use of phone and data at the same time, but the HSPA network under way (probably one of the reasons they are getting CDMA+HSPA antennas in this phone) it would make sens that they keep the front cam since HSPA supports video calls.
thanks.

just officially announced
Looks like the this week/next week predictions may actually be true.

yup, I kinda stopped posting here but there has been a lot going on with news about this. I also saw a forum posting (lost the link) from a telus employee saying that he got the SNAP dummy phones in today (July 14th).
I wonder what the exact specs are for the GSM antenna. Apparently it will have quad-band edge but no news on what bands the HSPA is going to be on (if at all...).
I know this is the snap and not the tp2, but it could give us an idea of what to expect. the full specs were just posted for the snap.
http://www.htcwiki.com/page/Telus+SNAP good news, full quad-band gsm and edge... now we just hope the tp2 will have hspa on top of that.
seems the telus version will also have a 3.5mm jack as well as geotaging automatic when taking pictures and dual band UMTS (900 and 2100) but no news on the telus HSPA bands yet (which is on the 1900 band)
2100 HSPA, no bellus HSPA for us

I have called 4 telus stores this week. 2 didn't know anything about the launch of the tp2? 1 said his manager played with one a short time ago at a conference and it was a sweet phone but had no idea when it would be available. The last store told me they have not mentioned anything about this phone at there meeting this week so she believed it isn't going to be here for a while yet as all new phones are discussed a couple of weeks before arival. In short it appears everyone knows that the tp2 is coming to telus except people who work at telus. Ha

Already listed at BestBuy Canada.

According to Bestbuy, here's the spec of the Telus TP2...
Product Details
Web Code ..... 10127335
Mfr. Part Number ..... 10127335
Backlit Keypad ..... No
Calculator ..... Yes
Calendar ..... Yes
Carrier ..... Telus
Connection Port(s) ..... USB, 3.5 mm
CPU Speed ..... 800/1900 MHz
Customizable Ringtones ..... Built-In & Downloadable
Display Type ..... LCD Touchscreen
Expansion Slots ..... microSD
Flash Upgradeable ..... Yes
Games ..... Yes
Handsfree Speakerphone ..... Yes
Included In Box ..... Battery,Charger,USB Cable,Headset,Manual
Keyboard Type ..... Slide-Out QWERTY
Keypad Lock ..... Yes
Memory Size (RAM) ..... 512MB
Modem Type ..... Built-In
MP3 Capable ..... Yes
Number of Display Lines ..... 5
Number of Modes ..... CDMA (800; 1900 MHz) EVDO Rev A/0 (no HSPA )
Operating System ..... Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
Operating System Compatibility ..... Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
Phone Book Capacity ..... 1000 Entries
Product Dimensions ..... 5.62(W) x 11.6(H) x 1.67(D) cm
Product Warranty ..... 1 Year
Product Weight ..... 178.5 g
Resolution ..... 480 x 800
ROM Size ..... 288MB
Spreadsheet ..... Yes
Standby Time ..... 750 Hours
Stylus Entry ..... Yes
Supports Caller ID ..... Yes
Talk Time ..... Up to 390 Minutes
Voice Recording ..... Yes
Web Browser ..... Yes
Word Processor ..... Yes

I've just noticed that according to Bestbuy, TELUS HTC TP2 doesn't have GPS antenna ... I don't think we should trust this website

And it seems they've gotten a few things on best buy
they switched the rom and ram sizes
they put the cdma 3G speeds as cpu speed, and no mention of gsm
1000 limit for phone book entires
and the number of display lines is 5
and no mention of the camera in the specifications but it is mentioned in the overview and they mention it has a flash...
got to love product descriptions at times.

solsearch said:
And it seems they've gotten a few things on best buy
they switched the rom and ram sizes
they put the cdma 3G speeds as cpu speed, and no mention of gsm
1000 limit for phone book entires
and the number of display lines is 5
and no mention of the camera in the specifications but it is mentioned in the overview and they mention it has a flash...
got to love product descriptions at times.
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I didn't even notice those mistakes ... Anyway, I wish the GPS will be unlocked. It was locked for the Telus touch pro (1)

Well, on the Telus coming soon page they have this for the touch pro2
Available services*
* Email
* TELUS Navigator
* TELUS Portal by Pocket Express®
* TELUS mobile TV™
* Wireless web
So the gps won't be hidden like in some phones. Though I guess if they were really greedy and mean spirited they could make it only visible/available to the Telus navigator, but that seems like it'd be truly excessive.

oh no, what would we ever do? (say the people on the XDA forum; best place to get custom roms )
but ya I agree with hoping its unlocked out of the box. I think that bestbuy employee should be fired. we should demand that the specifications be met lol

I went into telus after work today to see if they had a TP2 in stock or at least tell me when they would have one. The sale girls didn't know anything about the phone but see did search to see if any where in transit, NO and then how many where in warehouse, NONE.
She said that if they got the phone before Telus actually gets it, that it would be the first time Best Buy ever got a phone before the carrier. ( don't know if that is true but it make sense )
Still waiting, I'm hoping this thing comes out in Canada before the firestone comes out in Europe so I won't second guess my choice.

512 RAM'd be smashing, but 288 for rom'd suck
800 and 1900mhz for cpu would be amazing (horrible battery life)
but if you wanted to fire anybody, it should be for the stretched picture of the TP2. It looks SQUARE!!!!!!
And firehound. Don't second guess yourself. There's always something better round the corner. Does the TP2 suit your current needs? That's the issue at hand. Sure, the Cortex A8 and A9 and Tegra phones will be capable of great stuff... but how long before good games taking advantage of those features and that can be properly played on a cell come out? For example, that zombie augmented reality game for a tegra device looks absolutely brilliant but I think it'd only be fun if it was multiplayer in my opinion (I'd feel a right fool wandering around a table by myself or while others watched for any prolonged period of time), and multi-player's gonna take a while. Same with connectors and stuff. After all, how long has it taken HTC to imlement 3.5mm as a standard? And who knows if the Snapdragon chips will have the same driver issues as the current gen (yes, they've been observed to be really snappy, but running the current software, not software trying to truly take advantage of them).

Sorry to be dense ...
Is the Telus TP2 CDMA or GSM ? I've seen conflicting info...
Basically, I'm trying to decide where to purchase a TP2 from ...
I live in the US and I'm an AT&T subscriber, but hate with they did with the 'FUZE" keyboard...and wonder if they will screw up the TP2.
I've seen the T-Mobile version, and I'm not a fan of the color ... but I could live with that.
I'm tempted to get the European version ... but would like to use 3G in the US.
Telus ? It looks fairly untampered with.
---Rob

Telus is a CDMA World Phone.
The way I see it, it's primarly a CDMA phone with a SIM card that allow you to roam on GSM network.
Now the question is which band will it support. Nothing official yet so it may not support the 850/1900mhz 3G-HSDPA requierd for 3G+ speeds on ATT
Well looook at that.
Specs, price and etc are official!
http://www.telusmobility.com/en/QC/htc_touchpro2_t7379/index.shtml
Notice the UMTS/HSDPA is only 2100mhz. So no luck for 3G/HSDPA on ATT. I believe this would work on T-Mobile network.
3G EVDO Rev A (800/1900 MHz), UMTS/HSPA (2100 MHz), GSM/ EDGE (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)

I'm surprised that they didn't include the Telus 3G bands. Oh well...

Desire to ATT?

BGR seems to think so. I'm SO getting one if it's true.

YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. I never liked the htc sense but is gaining on me so much. Just waiting for the first one on AT&T's 3g. The nexus one I will put htc sense on for sure and the Desire I will root it so I can CHANGE from sense to stock android. Anybody's strategy for the first htc android phone on AT&T?

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YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. I never liked the htc sense but is gaining on me so much. Just waiting for the first one on AT&T's 3g. The nexus one I will put htc sense on for sure and the Desire I will root it so I can CHANGE from sense to stock android. Anybody's strategy for the first htc android phone on AT&T?
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i want the desire. i like the sense UI and would rather have it on the device instead of using ROMs.
part of me wants the nexus, so updates are always out.. but there's always xda XD.

oh no! what if I buy an att desire for t-mobile, will I get 3g?

Oh please Heavenly Lord don't give such a beast to such a undeserving network! Let them stick with the iphone.
And to the above you will get 2G only!!!

Down with AT&T!!!!
This phone should come to T-Mobile since they need an exclusive phone (the nexus one doesn't count because of that lame arse plan you have to get) that is really good.
Stick with your iPhone AT&T. You need the fanboys going over to you and let the "real" carriers get the Android phones.

I thought Tmobile was getting this phone??

I don't see why everone is dogging AT&T? ya i'm not in love with the carrier or iphone. In fact i'm one the biggest iphone haters alive, but AT&T is the only service where I get 3g and it is FAST. T-MOBILE gets edge at best on the nations 3rd largest carrier. I know AT&T doesn't get good service in some big cities but the best option for me and my area within a 250 mile rdaius. You should be excited att id getting an droid phone, but of course att will some how screw with android with some yahoo android apps or something.

Desire!
This is most likely my next device. I am so glad to see that AT&T saw fit to get a real HTC with great specs. I have been anxiously awaiting which HTC device was coming my way. There is no way I was going to settle for the Backflip! They may also be getting the Sony Ericcson X10 which is also a nice device, but in my opinion nothing compared to the Desire. The confirmed Dell mini 3 is not even a consideration, but the mini 5 would definately have my attention. Cant wait to hear a release date, I know what I'm getting myself for my Bday in May if the release date works out.

UberMario said:
Down with AT&T!!!!
This phone should come to T-Mobile since they need an exclusive phone (the nexus one doesn't count because of that lame arse plan you have to get) that is really good.
Stick with your iPhone AT&T. You need the fanboys going over to you and let the "real" carriers get the Android phones.
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Your carrier fanboyism aside, I don't want an iphone. I can't switch to T-mobile. Know why? Because there's no T-mobile 3G where I live.
Millions of americans are in the same predicament, and choices are usually limited 1 or 2 carriers. For east Orlando, that means VZW or AT&T. Hence, despite T-mobile's awesome prices and great phones (I wanted an N1, HD2 and an N900, guess whose network they only work with?), there's an important reason why they're still #4- they keep avoiding us. So piss off...
That said, I want an N1 or Desire... hurry up AT&T!!!

corneliusm said:
Your carrier fanboyism aside, I don't want an iphone. I can't switch to T-mobile. Know why? Because there's no T-mobile 3G where I live.
Millions of americans are in the same predicament, and choices are usually limited 1 or 2 carriers. For east Orlando, that means VZW or AT&T. Hence, despite T-mobile's awesome prices and great phones (I wanted an N1, HD2 and an N900, guess whose network they only work with?), there's an important reason why they're still #4- they keep avoiding us. So piss off...
That said, I want an N1 or Desire... hurry up AT&T!!!
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SO True.............The First Highend 3G HTC Phone ATT Carriers..IM all Over......N1, Desire ...Lets go........Time to move on from the G1....
Wish HTC would make a vairent with a keyboard tho.

I'm looking at either the Desire or the upcoming X10... Anyone know anything about a release date? I'm suffering from new phone fever over here and have been due for an upgrade for a while...

DKM119 said:
I thought Tmobile was getting this phone??
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I don't think it'd make a whole lot of sense for TMo to get both the Nexus One (which they're rumored to get - subsidized on-contract, not the unlocked version) and the Desire; they're basically the same hardware...

I want this on tmobile so bad. i love tmobile

Will the desire with its current specification run on at&t 3G network? I noticed the 850 band is only labeled GSM, while the 900/2100 is labeled HSDPA.
In this column, he mentions it will only run on 2G in the states.
slashgear.com/htc-desire-vs-google-nexus-one-2074966/

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Will the desire with its current specification run on at&t 3G network? I noticed the 850 band is only labeled GSM, while the 900/2100 is labeled HSDPA.
In this column, he mentions it will only run on 2G in the states.
slashgear.com/htc-desire-vs-google-nexus-one-2074966/
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No. Need to wait for a US version otherwise the best you'll get is edge.

Lol, I have AT&T and I'll stay with them only if I can't get this phone with Verizon.
Problem is, AT&T drops lots of my calls, somewhere in the neighborhood of 5% around town and as high as 20% where I live. They seem fine other wise. When i'm traveling to other areas, life is good with them. Their devices work internationally and I can talk and surf at the same time. When I'm near my home which isn't a rural area at all, drop drop drop.

venelar said:
No. Need to wait for a US version otherwise the best you'll get is edge.
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Or find some way to get an unlocked one from Telstra Austrailia, they'll be rolling out the Desire next month. They run an 850Mhz 3G network and as with their 850Mhz Touch HD, their 850Mhz Desire should work on AT&T as well.

[Q] Looking to purchase the Desire Z

I am coming from a WinMo 6.1 AT&T Tilt (TYTN II) I bought it about 2 years ago and it has the Dutty Series ROM. Good phone but it just doesnt keep up on the web. Been through a bind with the screen absorbing some water but replaced it and it back to normal. I am looking at the Desire Z but I see on Ebay that a lot of G2 are being passed off as Z's. I know the main difference is the ROM available, One has 1.5GB and the other supposedly has 4GB, that is of no importance to me as I will be purchasing a 16GB microSD card. How does the HTC Sense feel to you guys? Is it worth it?
I was aiming for the Win7 platform but its such a new interface, I fear it will have bugs and as usual, the end-user is going to be the tester and have to deal with the bugs. I was pointed towards the Desire Z by a friend who had it and loved it but had to change carriers and couldn't take the phone with him.
What is the opinion of the forum of G2 and the Z. Is it better to go with one or the other? I absolutely need the keyboard. My fingers do not fair well with an on-screen keyboard. The other thing I would like to do is use it in The States but also have capability in Europe, specifically Greece as I fly back and forth periodically. Would the bands work between the two countries both on 2G and 3G networks? I don't cruise on the net a whole bunch because of my current phone, but I am hoping to change that with the new purchase.
Pete

Hi there, sorry to see you've had no response to your questions, I can't really answer as to which is best of the two, but I can tell you that I have owned the desire z for a few weeks now and like yourself, I must have a physical qwerty board as I can't get on with on screen keyboards very well. The desire z is a great handset, it's quick enough, smooth enough, has enough room for apps, and I actually quite like sense, when I first had my HTC desire about a year ago when they first came out, I couldn't have tried harder to get sense off of it, and have had a stream of "bare bones" android phones since. I have to say that having sense on it now has bought a few real bonuses to the table that I'd shrugged off before. Granted, its been improved on the z now, and as a result I would say that imho its better have now than not.

The memory is the same on both. Check out http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#The_Missing_2GB
If you are with a network that has 4G or are likely to change networks in the foreseeable future then get the G2 to make use of it, if that is not an issue then the DZ would suffice as that is the only difference. But check what bands each phone supports before you make a decision pal.

I am pretty sure the G2 and Desire Z have exactly the same download and upload speed, except the G2 doesn't come with Sense by default and operates on 1700/2100 frequencies. Bell's Desire Z will get 3G on AT&T but I think it has the 2100 band removed so it may not get 3G in Europe.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

I came from the Tytn II also -- the only thing I regretted (at first) was not being able to use my considerable collection of bought Windows Mobile 6 software, but I was screwed anyway since WinMo 7 wasn't going to be backwards compatible. So now I'm an android geek, and loving it.
Desire Z is an amazing phone.

Frostshock said:
I am pretty sure the G2 and Desire Z have exactly the same download and upload speed, except the G2 doesn't come with Sense by default and operates on 1700/2100 frequencies. Bell's Desire Z will get 3G on AT&T but I think it has the 2100 band removed so it may not get 3G in Europe.
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Yeah Greece runs on 900/1800 & 2100 for 3G....So I need to maybe buy a phone with these specs. Perhaps I can get lucky and buy it from a UK website cheaper. They want close to $750 for it in a retail store of Greece.

One other question....I am searching for A7272 which is the international version HTC Desire Z. I was looking through some auctions and the Desire Z / G2 say that they have a S-LCD display....when searching for A7272, the sellers claim that the screen is AMOLED....Is there truth to this?

Pyper70 said:
One other question....I am searching for A7272 which is the international version HTC Desire Z. I was looking through some auctions and the Desire Z / G2 say that they have a S-LCD display....when searching for A7272, the sellers claim that the screen is AMOLED....Is there truth to this?
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It's not AMOLED, it's S-LCD. But it's a very good display.
Which networks do you want your phone to run on ? Here's a summary of which 3G bands the G2/DZ versions operate on (note that you can *not* change this via a radio update, it's set in hardware) :
G2 - Bands IV(1700) and I (2100).
Desire Z - Band I (2100) and Band VIII (900).
Bell Desire Z - Band II (1900) and Band V (850) - same bands as AT&T uses in the US.

steviewevie said:
It's not AMOLED, it's S-LCD. But it's a very good display.
Which networks do you want your phone to run on ? Here's a summary of which 3G bands the G2/DZ versions operate on (note that you can *not* change this via a radio update, it's set in hardware) :
G2 - Bands IV(1700) and I (2100).
Desire Z - Band I (2100) and Band VIII (900).
Bell Desire Z - Band II (1900) and Band V (850) - same bands as AT&T uses in the US.
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Well I absolutely need the 900/2100 (2G / 3G respectively for Greece) because I spend a good chunk of time there. As far as the US is concerned, I run on T-Mobile there. Worst case scenario, I'll keep my TYTN II for use in the States.

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...One has 1.5GB and the other supposedly has 4GB, that is of no importance to me as I...
Pete
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Note that both machines have nearly identical hardware. They BOTH have 4GB physical RAM however this is permanently partitioned at the factory so that approx 2GB is usable. There are threads on this board that discuss this at length. Upshot is that we have 2GB effective RAM in both the Desire Z and the G2.

So I am poking around the net...I found that the G-2 from T-Mobile has Quad Band and UMTS for 1700/2100....Greece runs on 900/1800 GSM & UMTS 2100...Big question is...whats the difference between buying a Desire Z and a G2. I am looking at about a $150 gap in the price....Is the UI different? Hardware different? Screen? Some people are saying theirs has a TFT...others say LCD....even found one that said AMOLED (which I KNOW is wrong)
It looks like the G2 will run in Greece...but I don't care too much for that Google Interface...Can I drop that UI and put something else? Can I load up HTCSense and still register the G2 on the site and have those options or is that strictly a Desire Z option?

Pyper70 said:
So I am poking around the net...I found that the G-2 from T-Mobile has Quad Band and UMTS for 1700/2100....Greece runs on 900/1800 GSM & UMTS 2100...Big question is...whats the difference between buying a Desire Z and a G2. I am looking at about a $150 gap in the price....Is the UI different? Hardware different? Screen? Some people are saying theirs has a TFT...others say LCD....even found one that said AMOLED (which I KNOW is wrong)
It looks like the G2 will run in Greece...but I don't care too much for that Google Interface...Can I drop that UI and put something else? Can I load up HTCSense and still register the G2 on the site and have those options or is that strictly a Desire Z option?
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The only real difference are the radio bands (fixed in hardware, you can't change it) and the hardware keyboard layout. They do come with different ROMs, Sense on the DZ and without Sense on the G2. Same screens (S-LCD), same memory, same everything else.
Yes, you can flash a Sense ROM onto a G2 or vice versa. If you have a Sense ROM you should be able to use HTCSense.com (though that functionality is not finished yet by HTC).
I recommend you choose your phone based on the radio band support. You can easily change to a different ROM if you want to. So I think you need a DZ based on the radio bands (DZ in Europe has Band I - 2100, and Band VIII - 900 ; the G2's band 1700/2100 is a different band, Band IV).

I have a brand new desire z I bought for my girlfriend but she doesn't like it and wants an Iphone (go figure) I will sell to you if you want?

Sparacis said:
I have a brand new desire z I bought for my girlfriend but she doesn't like it and wants an Iphone (go figure) I will sell to you if you want?
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No offense Sparacis, but because it is a high amount of money for a product. I want to purchase it online with a little bit of protection. Just in case something happens. I hope you understand.

perfectly understandable no offense taken. Just thought I would throw it out there.

Pyper70 said:
Screen? Some people are saying theirs has a TFT...others say LCD....even found one that said AMOLED (which I KNOW is wrong)
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It's S-LCD which is a type of P-VA which is a type of (TFT-)LCD.
Clear?

I upgraded from the Tilt2 to the Desire Z, and was completely blown away at how much better this phone is. Switching from the 3 year old Tilt to the DZ is going to absolutely blow your mind. You will not want to use your old Tilt anymore after you upgrade, trust me (except as an emergency backup device).
As steviewevie mentioned, you should pick the version that has the radios you need, since this is a hardware thing, and can't be changed. The software is completely changeable. You can always flash a Sense ROM onto the G2. Sounds like you need to buy either a Euro Desire Z or the T-Mob G2, depending on which will give you 3G in the country you spend the most time in.
Also, Sense is really just an enhancement to Android. Lots of elements of the Android OS still remain. And lots of what Sense does, can be accomplished with third party apps and homescreen widgets. So you can alway try that route, if you decide to get a G2 and are gun shy about ROM flashing.
I agree that Windows Phone 7 is too new an OS to invest in at the moment. App support is going to be slow to build up steam. It took Android the better part of 2 years before the app market really started reaching critical mass. And it really remains to be seen whether WP7 can really survive in the current smartphone environment. MS really has a tough fight in front of them if they want to prove themselves a viable competitor to Apple and Android.
Bottom line, if the hardware keyboard is a must, the Desire Z/G2 is the best phone around right now. You won't be disappointed if you buy it.
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So I am poking around the net...I found that the G-2 from T-Mobile has Quad Band and UMTS for 1700/2100....Greece runs on 900/1800 GSM & UMTS 2100...Big question is...whats the difference between buying a Desire Z and a G2. I am looking at about a $150 gap in the price....Is the UI different? Hardware different? Screen? Some people are saying theirs has a TFT...others say LCD....even found one that said AMOLED (which I KNOW is wrong)
It looks like the G2 will run in Greece...but I don't care too much for that Google Interface...Can I drop that UI and put something else? Can I load up HTCSense and still register the G2 on the site and have those options or is that strictly a Desire Z option?
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Wrote a huge editorally on my opinions, but somehow lost it all running spellcheck so the super abridged, is if you want the physical keyboard get the vision if u don't use it get the HD2, you can dual boot win-android, but right now android is the way to go... but i'm still pissed

i got 1 to work with att and it was will worth it

Dalamak said:
Wrote a huge editorally on my opinions, but somehow lost it all running spellcheck so the super abridged, is if you want the physical keyboard get the vision if u don't use it get the HD2, you can dual boot win-android, but right now android is the way to go... but i'm still pissed
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The HD2 specs are somewhat behind those of the Vision, and my understanding is an Android port is never going to run as well as a phone that runs it natively (but not speaking from experience on the HD2 specifically). And I hate to admit it, but WM6 is dead and needs to be buried. I don't miss it for a second. If the Desire HD is a available in your market, I can see that as a strong option. Otherwise, the Vision does not have many legitimate contenders right now.
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[Q] Difference between G2 and DZ

I have read for a while and I have found nothing that will make me 100% sure for what I need.
I'm interested in buying this phone as it's similar to the Sprint Evo Shift but will work with the new GSM network my carrier has with HSPA+ (at least for 7.2mbps as far as I've read).
So, I know the DZ will work as my carrier uses 850/1900 for HSPA, but I've seen that people with AT&T in the US buy the DZ (not the G2 as T-Mobile uses other frequencies).
My question is, what's finally the difference between both phones? Is there a hardware difference that makes them operate on different frequencies or is it only related to the flashed radio?
It's confusing to me as many people in the forum assure in other threads that the phones are exactly the same, but if people with AT&T spend more for the canadian version makes me think it's a HW issue.
Thank you and regards

Frequency compatibility is set in hardware, and can't be modified with software. You need to buy the phone that is compatible with your carrier's 3G network. As you suspected, this is the reason why AT&T customers (like myself) have paid premium prices for the Bell Canada version of the Z, the only version of the Vision that is fully compatible with AT&T's 850/1900 MHz 3G network.
Aside from frequency compability, the Z and the G2 are essentially the same phone. The G2 has a keyboard button for .www and .com (its a Tab key on the Z). But that's really it. Of course, the Z has Sense, but that is software, and you can flash a Sense ROM if you want.

redpoint73, thank you very much. I have the Evo Shift right now that works on the 3G CDMA network, but my provider just released the 4G HSPA+ GSM network and since then, I feel 3G speeds are getting lower every day and the network isn't as stable anymore as it used to be.
I was about to buy the T-Mobile version, but now I'm confident that I need the Bell version... Will have to wait for a good deal on Ebay. Too bad that HTC has only these options with keyboard, I really like my Evo Shift, but I'm getting speeds as low as 380kbps for download while users with HSPA+ are getting up to 4mbps...

Are you sure that GSM phones even work on Sprint? My understanding is that the your phone needs to be Sprint branded, otherwise they will not have an ESN number to activate in the system.
BTW, please click the "Thanks" button, if my post helped you.

No, I'm in Mexico, my carrier is Iusacell. They used to be a CDMA network, the first 3G network in Mexico built more than 10 years ago, most of us used to buy Sprint phones as they were the best to port to this company, however now they are starting their GSM network and it looks as if they're starting to leave the CDMA network out of the priority, so I'm looking for a phone that will work. I have done my research and they use the 850/1900 frequencies for HSPA+, so most US/Canada phones will work but not T-Mobile.
Thank you...

mschmiedel said:
No, I'm in Mexico, my carrier is Iusacell. They used to be a CDMA network, the first 3G network in Mexico built more than 10 years ago, most of us used to buy Sprint phones as they were the best to port to this company, however now they are starting their GSM network and it looks as if they're starting to leave the CDMA network out of the priority, so I'm looking for a phone that will work. I have done my research and they use the 850/1900 frequencies for HSPA+, so most US/Canada phones will work but not T-Mobile.
Thank you...
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Ahh, I understand now. That makes a lot more sense. You didn't mention your carrier (or country), but mentioned Sprint, so I assumed that was your carrier.
Right now, it seems that indeed the Bell Canada version of the Desire Z is best fit for what you want (same conclusion that I came to a few months ago).

Redpoint, don't forget the partitions are different on the phone also. The DZ has smaller partitions (system at least) than the G2. This hasn't been an issue... yet, given than every custom so far has been well below the stock size of even the DZ. With the new sense though, things are going to only go up in size for those ROMs. That being said it still shouldn't be an issue.

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Redpoint, don't forget the partitions are different on the phone also. The DZ has smaller partitions (system at least) than the G2. This hasn't been an issue... yet, given than every custom so far has been well below the stock size of even the DZ. With the new sense though, things are going to only go up in size for those ROMs. That being said it still shouldn't be an issue.
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Hard for me to forget it, since I wasn't aware of that :-/
Whats the exact breakdown of the difference in system partitions?
That's actually opposite of what one would expect, since the Sense ROMs take up more memory.

Yes, I hadn't mentioned my carrier earlier. Now my issue is that shipping from Canada to Mexico is prohibitive (more than 90USD), so maybe I will have to stay with the AT&T inspire... Will have to use Swype or something similar as an alternative to the physical keyboard.

mschmiedel said:
Yes, I hadn't mentioned my carrier earlier. Now my issue is that shipping from Canada to Mexico is prohibitive (more than 90USD), so maybe I will have to stay with the AT&T inspire... Will have to use Swype or something similar as an alternative to the physical keyboard.
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I was going to recommend the Inspire, even though you seemed to need/want a physical keyboard. It looks like a great phone.
The Desire Z is my 3rd smartphone, and all have had physical keyboards. But for my next, I am seriously considering going without the physical keyboard. I can't stand typing on a touch screen by the "traditional" method. But I've found that with Swype, I can type as fast, maybe even faster than with the physical keyboard. I've been finding myself using the physical keyboard much less than I thought I would.

Yes, I really like Swype too, but I have some issues with it. I write moste messages in Spanish, but I also use English and German. Changing languages is not as easy as I think it should be. But well, the main issue for me is that Swype always uses special charecters in Spanish/German (ñ, á, ä, etc.) which is nice on Emails, whatsapp, etc. but is a big problem with SMS texting as carriers in Mexico don't support these characters (it's really stupid) so messages sometimes get messed up completely.
I think that's the main reason why I like the physical keyboard. I have had many smartphones (mogul, touch, diamond, touch pro, motorola droid, htc evo and now the evo shift). I really hated the droid's keyboard, but the shift is really nice to use. Will have to get used to using on screen typing again... I think it's not worth paying 500 bucks for the Desire Z due to shippig if I can get a brand new Inspire for less...
Regards

redpoint73 said:
Hard for me to forget it, since I wasn't aware of that :-/
Whats the exact breakdown of the difference in system partitions?
That's actually opposite of what one would expect, since the Sense ROMs take up more memory.
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Sorry, didn't come back to this thread yesterday. I'm not sure of the exact breakdown for the partitions. I know the system is smaller and a couple others vary. There's an old thread somewhere on here with the details though.

4G coming to the UK, will my HTC One X get those speeds?

For those of you who live in the UK, you may of heard recently that 4G is finally coming to the UK on the Orange and TMobile UK networks very soon. My question is will my HTC One X be able to receive the 4G signal?

EDIT: Apparently not as the hardware isn't in the phone to connect to 4G

If i'm totally honest, i'm not to bothered. HSPA is MORE than enough for me.

Nope.
That's why the One XL was released in USA for the 4G network there.

Actually, looks like the Asia/Aus version of One XL might work, it supports 1800MHz LTE.

Ah okay nevermind then..thanks guys.

As always well be limited and throttled most likely and they will take advantage and hike the prices up for those wanting to make use of 4G technology. Heck the current technology is quite poor in some areas. Central London and some parts of London are heavily congested and barely get any data signal!
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if thats the case whats the point cause when i went into contract for 2 bloody years with t-mobile they said when the 4g is rolled out and active my HOX would benefit,lying scumbags

T-Mobile told me the same thing as well, when i corrected them Quad Band is different to 4G and this is not a 4G phone, the sales guy didnt have a response...
may be you can cancel your contract on grounds of Mis Selling

sr1ks said:
T-Mobile told me the same thing as well, when i corrected them Quad Band is different to 4G and this is not a 4G phone, the sales guy didnt have a response...
may be you can cancel your contract on grounds of Mis Selling
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yeah thats exactly what i was thinking,i wonder if my case is strong enough? i certainly could try or at least haggle for compensation
could set a precedent and others may follow my lead

Tmobile take the pee when it comes to giving correct information, all this hype about 4G coming and i bet the majority of phones they sell dont even support it. Not only do they take the right mick when it comes to releasing OTA updates (one of the main reasons why i joined this forum!) now it looks like they're giving wrong information to customers about 4G. For me personally its not a big deal that i wont get 4G because the current signal and speeds I get now are reasonable enough even though since the start of the olympics i've noticed a bit of a decline in performance dont know if you guys have experienced this either but its the fact that they've made a big hoo haa about this and havent given clear information about who's gonna benefit from this and who wont.

It's quite hard to say, as the 4G network here will be completely different. Despite my post earlier saying, no, I've been doing some research and the 4G network in the UK will be using the already existing 1800MHz frequency. The specs for the One X say it can use this frequency.

What speed is 4G supposed to be? I regularly test and see like 4-5mb don't need anymore tbh
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It's quite hard to say, as the 4G network here will be completely different. Despite my post earlier saying, no, I've been doing some research and the 4G network in the UK will be using the already existing 1800MHz frequency. The specs for the One X say it can use this frequency.
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Yeah, but it hasn't got a clue what LTE is, so it won't work.