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Desire to ATT?

BGR seems to think so. I'm SO getting one if it's true.

YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. I never liked the htc sense but is gaining on me so much. Just waiting for the first one on AT&T's 3g. The nexus one I will put htc sense on for sure and the Desire I will root it so I can CHANGE from sense to stock android. Anybody's strategy for the first htc android phone on AT&T?

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YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. I never liked the htc sense but is gaining on me so much. Just waiting for the first one on AT&T's 3g. The nexus one I will put htc sense on for sure and the Desire I will root it so I can CHANGE from sense to stock android. Anybody's strategy for the first htc android phone on AT&T?
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i want the desire. i like the sense UI and would rather have it on the device instead of using ROMs.
part of me wants the nexus, so updates are always out.. but there's always xda XD.

oh no! what if I buy an att desire for t-mobile, will I get 3g?

Oh please Heavenly Lord don't give such a beast to such a undeserving network! Let them stick with the iphone.
And to the above you will get 2G only!!!

Down with AT&T!!!!
This phone should come to T-Mobile since they need an exclusive phone (the nexus one doesn't count because of that lame arse plan you have to get) that is really good.
Stick with your iPhone AT&T. You need the fanboys going over to you and let the "real" carriers get the Android phones.

I thought Tmobile was getting this phone??

I don't see why everone is dogging AT&T? ya i'm not in love with the carrier or iphone. In fact i'm one the biggest iphone haters alive, but AT&T is the only service where I get 3g and it is FAST. T-MOBILE gets edge at best on the nations 3rd largest carrier. I know AT&T doesn't get good service in some big cities but the best option for me and my area within a 250 mile rdaius. You should be excited att id getting an droid phone, but of course att will some how screw with android with some yahoo android apps or something.

Desire!
This is most likely my next device. I am so glad to see that AT&T saw fit to get a real HTC with great specs. I have been anxiously awaiting which HTC device was coming my way. There is no way I was going to settle for the Backflip! They may also be getting the Sony Ericcson X10 which is also a nice device, but in my opinion nothing compared to the Desire. The confirmed Dell mini 3 is not even a consideration, but the mini 5 would definately have my attention. Cant wait to hear a release date, I know what I'm getting myself for my Bday in May if the release date works out.

UberMario said:
Down with AT&T!!!!
This phone should come to T-Mobile since they need an exclusive phone (the nexus one doesn't count because of that lame arse plan you have to get) that is really good.
Stick with your iPhone AT&T. You need the fanboys going over to you and let the "real" carriers get the Android phones.
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Your carrier fanboyism aside, I don't want an iphone. I can't switch to T-mobile. Know why? Because there's no T-mobile 3G where I live.
Millions of americans are in the same predicament, and choices are usually limited 1 or 2 carriers. For east Orlando, that means VZW or AT&T. Hence, despite T-mobile's awesome prices and great phones (I wanted an N1, HD2 and an N900, guess whose network they only work with?), there's an important reason why they're still #4- they keep avoiding us. So piss off...
That said, I want an N1 or Desire... hurry up AT&T!!!

corneliusm said:
Your carrier fanboyism aside, I don't want an iphone. I can't switch to T-mobile. Know why? Because there's no T-mobile 3G where I live.
Millions of americans are in the same predicament, and choices are usually limited 1 or 2 carriers. For east Orlando, that means VZW or AT&T. Hence, despite T-mobile's awesome prices and great phones (I wanted an N1, HD2 and an N900, guess whose network they only work with?), there's an important reason why they're still #4- they keep avoiding us. So piss off...
That said, I want an N1 or Desire... hurry up AT&T!!!
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SO True.............The First Highend 3G HTC Phone ATT Carriers..IM all Over......N1, Desire ...Lets go........Time to move on from the G1....
Wish HTC would make a vairent with a keyboard tho.

I'm looking at either the Desire or the upcoming X10... Anyone know anything about a release date? I'm suffering from new phone fever over here and have been due for an upgrade for a while...

DKM119 said:
I thought Tmobile was getting this phone??
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I don't think it'd make a whole lot of sense for TMo to get both the Nexus One (which they're rumored to get - subsidized on-contract, not the unlocked version) and the Desire; they're basically the same hardware...

I want this on tmobile so bad. i love tmobile

Will the desire with its current specification run on at&t 3G network? I noticed the 850 band is only labeled GSM, while the 900/2100 is labeled HSDPA.
In this column, he mentions it will only run on 2G in the states.
slashgear.com/htc-desire-vs-google-nexus-one-2074966/

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Will the desire with its current specification run on at&t 3G network? I noticed the 850 band is only labeled GSM, while the 900/2100 is labeled HSDPA.
In this column, he mentions it will only run on 2G in the states.
slashgear.com/htc-desire-vs-google-nexus-one-2074966/
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No. Need to wait for a US version otherwise the best you'll get is edge.

Lol, I have AT&T and I'll stay with them only if I can't get this phone with Verizon.
Problem is, AT&T drops lots of my calls, somewhere in the neighborhood of 5% around town and as high as 20% where I live. They seem fine other wise. When i'm traveling to other areas, life is good with them. Their devices work internationally and I can talk and surf at the same time. When I'm near my home which isn't a rural area at all, drop drop drop.

venelar said:
No. Need to wait for a US version otherwise the best you'll get is edge.
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Or find some way to get an unlocked one from Telstra Austrailia, they'll be rolling out the Desire next month. They run an 850Mhz 3G network and as with their 850Mhz Touch HD, their 850Mhz Desire should work on AT&T as well.

[Q] Looking to purchase the Desire Z

I am coming from a WinMo 6.1 AT&T Tilt (TYTN II) I bought it about 2 years ago and it has the Dutty Series ROM. Good phone but it just doesnt keep up on the web. Been through a bind with the screen absorbing some water but replaced it and it back to normal. I am looking at the Desire Z but I see on Ebay that a lot of G2 are being passed off as Z's. I know the main difference is the ROM available, One has 1.5GB and the other supposedly has 4GB, that is of no importance to me as I will be purchasing a 16GB microSD card. How does the HTC Sense feel to you guys? Is it worth it?
I was aiming for the Win7 platform but its such a new interface, I fear it will have bugs and as usual, the end-user is going to be the tester and have to deal with the bugs. I was pointed towards the Desire Z by a friend who had it and loved it but had to change carriers and couldn't take the phone with him.
What is the opinion of the forum of G2 and the Z. Is it better to go with one or the other? I absolutely need the keyboard. My fingers do not fair well with an on-screen keyboard. The other thing I would like to do is use it in The States but also have capability in Europe, specifically Greece as I fly back and forth periodically. Would the bands work between the two countries both on 2G and 3G networks? I don't cruise on the net a whole bunch because of my current phone, but I am hoping to change that with the new purchase.
Pete

Hi there, sorry to see you've had no response to your questions, I can't really answer as to which is best of the two, but I can tell you that I have owned the desire z for a few weeks now and like yourself, I must have a physical qwerty board as I can't get on with on screen keyboards very well. The desire z is a great handset, it's quick enough, smooth enough, has enough room for apps, and I actually quite like sense, when I first had my HTC desire about a year ago when they first came out, I couldn't have tried harder to get sense off of it, and have had a stream of "bare bones" android phones since. I have to say that having sense on it now has bought a few real bonuses to the table that I'd shrugged off before. Granted, its been improved on the z now, and as a result I would say that imho its better have now than not.

The memory is the same on both. Check out http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#The_Missing_2GB
If you are with a network that has 4G or are likely to change networks in the foreseeable future then get the G2 to make use of it, if that is not an issue then the DZ would suffice as that is the only difference. But check what bands each phone supports before you make a decision pal.

I am pretty sure the G2 and Desire Z have exactly the same download and upload speed, except the G2 doesn't come with Sense by default and operates on 1700/2100 frequencies. Bell's Desire Z will get 3G on AT&T but I think it has the 2100 band removed so it may not get 3G in Europe.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

I came from the Tytn II also -- the only thing I regretted (at first) was not being able to use my considerable collection of bought Windows Mobile 6 software, but I was screwed anyway since WinMo 7 wasn't going to be backwards compatible. So now I'm an android geek, and loving it.
Desire Z is an amazing phone.

Frostshock said:
I am pretty sure the G2 and Desire Z have exactly the same download and upload speed, except the G2 doesn't come with Sense by default and operates on 1700/2100 frequencies. Bell's Desire Z will get 3G on AT&T but I think it has the 2100 band removed so it may not get 3G in Europe.
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Yeah Greece runs on 900/1800 & 2100 for 3G....So I need to maybe buy a phone with these specs. Perhaps I can get lucky and buy it from a UK website cheaper. They want close to $750 for it in a retail store of Greece.

One other question....I am searching for A7272 which is the international version HTC Desire Z. I was looking through some auctions and the Desire Z / G2 say that they have a S-LCD display....when searching for A7272, the sellers claim that the screen is AMOLED....Is there truth to this?

Pyper70 said:
One other question....I am searching for A7272 which is the international version HTC Desire Z. I was looking through some auctions and the Desire Z / G2 say that they have a S-LCD display....when searching for A7272, the sellers claim that the screen is AMOLED....Is there truth to this?
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It's not AMOLED, it's S-LCD. But it's a very good display.
Which networks do you want your phone to run on ? Here's a summary of which 3G bands the G2/DZ versions operate on (note that you can *not* change this via a radio update, it's set in hardware) :
G2 - Bands IV(1700) and I (2100).
Desire Z - Band I (2100) and Band VIII (900).
Bell Desire Z - Band II (1900) and Band V (850) - same bands as AT&T uses in the US.

steviewevie said:
It's not AMOLED, it's S-LCD. But it's a very good display.
Which networks do you want your phone to run on ? Here's a summary of which 3G bands the G2/DZ versions operate on (note that you can *not* change this via a radio update, it's set in hardware) :
G2 - Bands IV(1700) and I (2100).
Desire Z - Band I (2100) and Band VIII (900).
Bell Desire Z - Band II (1900) and Band V (850) - same bands as AT&T uses in the US.
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Well I absolutely need the 900/2100 (2G / 3G respectively for Greece) because I spend a good chunk of time there. As far as the US is concerned, I run on T-Mobile there. Worst case scenario, I'll keep my TYTN II for use in the States.

Pyper70 said:
...One has 1.5GB and the other supposedly has 4GB, that is of no importance to me as I...
Pete
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Note that both machines have nearly identical hardware. They BOTH have 4GB physical RAM however this is permanently partitioned at the factory so that approx 2GB is usable. There are threads on this board that discuss this at length. Upshot is that we have 2GB effective RAM in both the Desire Z and the G2.

So I am poking around the net...I found that the G-2 from T-Mobile has Quad Band and UMTS for 1700/2100....Greece runs on 900/1800 GSM & UMTS 2100...Big question is...whats the difference between buying a Desire Z and a G2. I am looking at about a $150 gap in the price....Is the UI different? Hardware different? Screen? Some people are saying theirs has a TFT...others say LCD....even found one that said AMOLED (which I KNOW is wrong)
It looks like the G2 will run in Greece...but I don't care too much for that Google Interface...Can I drop that UI and put something else? Can I load up HTCSense and still register the G2 on the site and have those options or is that strictly a Desire Z option?

Pyper70 said:
So I am poking around the net...I found that the G-2 from T-Mobile has Quad Band and UMTS for 1700/2100....Greece runs on 900/1800 GSM & UMTS 2100...Big question is...whats the difference between buying a Desire Z and a G2. I am looking at about a $150 gap in the price....Is the UI different? Hardware different? Screen? Some people are saying theirs has a TFT...others say LCD....even found one that said AMOLED (which I KNOW is wrong)
It looks like the G2 will run in Greece...but I don't care too much for that Google Interface...Can I drop that UI and put something else? Can I load up HTCSense and still register the G2 on the site and have those options or is that strictly a Desire Z option?
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The only real difference are the radio bands (fixed in hardware, you can't change it) and the hardware keyboard layout. They do come with different ROMs, Sense on the DZ and without Sense on the G2. Same screens (S-LCD), same memory, same everything else.
Yes, you can flash a Sense ROM onto a G2 or vice versa. If you have a Sense ROM you should be able to use HTCSense.com (though that functionality is not finished yet by HTC).
I recommend you choose your phone based on the radio band support. You can easily change to a different ROM if you want to. So I think you need a DZ based on the radio bands (DZ in Europe has Band I - 2100, and Band VIII - 900 ; the G2's band 1700/2100 is a different band, Band IV).

I have a brand new desire z I bought for my girlfriend but she doesn't like it and wants an Iphone (go figure) I will sell to you if you want?

Sparacis said:
I have a brand new desire z I bought for my girlfriend but she doesn't like it and wants an Iphone (go figure) I will sell to you if you want?
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No offense Sparacis, but because it is a high amount of money for a product. I want to purchase it online with a little bit of protection. Just in case something happens. I hope you understand.

perfectly understandable no offense taken. Just thought I would throw it out there.

Pyper70 said:
Screen? Some people are saying theirs has a TFT...others say LCD....even found one that said AMOLED (which I KNOW is wrong)
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It's S-LCD which is a type of P-VA which is a type of (TFT-)LCD.
Clear?

I upgraded from the Tilt2 to the Desire Z, and was completely blown away at how much better this phone is. Switching from the 3 year old Tilt to the DZ is going to absolutely blow your mind. You will not want to use your old Tilt anymore after you upgrade, trust me (except as an emergency backup device).
As steviewevie mentioned, you should pick the version that has the radios you need, since this is a hardware thing, and can't be changed. The software is completely changeable. You can always flash a Sense ROM onto the G2. Sounds like you need to buy either a Euro Desire Z or the T-Mob G2, depending on which will give you 3G in the country you spend the most time in.
Also, Sense is really just an enhancement to Android. Lots of elements of the Android OS still remain. And lots of what Sense does, can be accomplished with third party apps and homescreen widgets. So you can alway try that route, if you decide to get a G2 and are gun shy about ROM flashing.
I agree that Windows Phone 7 is too new an OS to invest in at the moment. App support is going to be slow to build up steam. It took Android the better part of 2 years before the app market really started reaching critical mass. And it really remains to be seen whether WP7 can really survive in the current smartphone environment. MS really has a tough fight in front of them if they want to prove themselves a viable competitor to Apple and Android.
Bottom line, if the hardware keyboard is a must, the Desire Z/G2 is the best phone around right now. You won't be disappointed if you buy it.
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Pyper70 said:
So I am poking around the net...I found that the G-2 from T-Mobile has Quad Band and UMTS for 1700/2100....Greece runs on 900/1800 GSM & UMTS 2100...Big question is...whats the difference between buying a Desire Z and a G2. I am looking at about a $150 gap in the price....Is the UI different? Hardware different? Screen? Some people are saying theirs has a TFT...others say LCD....even found one that said AMOLED (which I KNOW is wrong)
It looks like the G2 will run in Greece...but I don't care too much for that Google Interface...Can I drop that UI and put something else? Can I load up HTCSense and still register the G2 on the site and have those options or is that strictly a Desire Z option?
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Wrote a huge editorally on my opinions, but somehow lost it all running spellcheck so the super abridged, is if you want the physical keyboard get the vision if u don't use it get the HD2, you can dual boot win-android, but right now android is the way to go... but i'm still pissed

i got 1 to work with att and it was will worth it

Dalamak said:
Wrote a huge editorally on my opinions, but somehow lost it all running spellcheck so the super abridged, is if you want the physical keyboard get the vision if u don't use it get the HD2, you can dual boot win-android, but right now android is the way to go... but i'm still pissed
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The HD2 specs are somewhat behind those of the Vision, and my understanding is an Android port is never going to run as well as a phone that runs it natively (but not speaking from experience on the HD2 specifically). And I hate to admit it, but WM6 is dead and needs to be buried. I don't miss it for a second. If the Desire HD is a available in your market, I can see that as a strong option. Otherwise, the Vision does not have many legitimate contenders right now.
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Unlocked G2: NO AT&T 2G/EDGE

Hello all,
This is my first post here in the G2 thread, simply because today is the first day with my G2! I'm currently running the stock Froyo, and am on the AT&T network. After I purchased an online unlock code and unlocked my G2 without a problem, I've NOT been able to connect to 2G/EDGE. I'm aware that currently, the G2 on AT&T doesn't support 3G, but supports EDGE without a problem. I've also made sure that data is enabled in settings, and have even tried selecting the "use only 2g networks" option, without any luck! The access point names list is empty, and resetting to default does absolutely nothing. Please help, as I now have a data plan that I'm unable to use, but must pay for!

You may have to manually add the APN from the settings. You can find At&t's apn settings online, just check it out and try and see if that works.
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You're amazing my friend! Followed this without any problems:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmmNHiFDybo&feature=player_embedded#at=261

So everything is good?
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Just out of curiosity, did you know that the Desire Z (NAM [Bell Canada]) A7275 has AT&T's 3G band and you can get it unlocked via ebay or other big sites?

Better than expected! It's even showing the 3G connectivity icon, although that's there even if I select only 2G so we know what that means.

mputtr said:
Just out of curiosity, did you know that the Desire Z (NAM [Bell Canada]) A7275 has AT&T's 3G band and you can get it unlocked via ebay or other big sites?
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The desire z is generally more rare in the US so it may be more expensive.
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Glad to know everything worked out.
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mputtr said:
Just out of curiosity, did you know that the Desire Z (NAM [Bell Canada]) A7275 has AT&T's 3G band and you can get it unlocked via ebay or other big sites?
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Indeed I do my good man. Though it tends to be much more expensive. For comparison sake, I got my G2 lightly used for $200 US.

ah fair enough. I just wanted to make sure you made the decision on purpose. I did spend much more for the a7275, (i think 500) but it was because I use my data ALOT so 3G is a necessity.

[Q] Difference between G2 and DZ

I have read for a while and I have found nothing that will make me 100% sure for what I need.
I'm interested in buying this phone as it's similar to the Sprint Evo Shift but will work with the new GSM network my carrier has with HSPA+ (at least for 7.2mbps as far as I've read).
So, I know the DZ will work as my carrier uses 850/1900 for HSPA, but I've seen that people with AT&T in the US buy the DZ (not the G2 as T-Mobile uses other frequencies).
My question is, what's finally the difference between both phones? Is there a hardware difference that makes them operate on different frequencies or is it only related to the flashed radio?
It's confusing to me as many people in the forum assure in other threads that the phones are exactly the same, but if people with AT&T spend more for the canadian version makes me think it's a HW issue.
Thank you and regards

Frequency compatibility is set in hardware, and can't be modified with software. You need to buy the phone that is compatible with your carrier's 3G network. As you suspected, this is the reason why AT&T customers (like myself) have paid premium prices for the Bell Canada version of the Z, the only version of the Vision that is fully compatible with AT&T's 850/1900 MHz 3G network.
Aside from frequency compability, the Z and the G2 are essentially the same phone. The G2 has a keyboard button for .www and .com (its a Tab key on the Z). But that's really it. Of course, the Z has Sense, but that is software, and you can flash a Sense ROM if you want.

redpoint73, thank you very much. I have the Evo Shift right now that works on the 3G CDMA network, but my provider just released the 4G HSPA+ GSM network and since then, I feel 3G speeds are getting lower every day and the network isn't as stable anymore as it used to be.
I was about to buy the T-Mobile version, but now I'm confident that I need the Bell version... Will have to wait for a good deal on Ebay. Too bad that HTC has only these options with keyboard, I really like my Evo Shift, but I'm getting speeds as low as 380kbps for download while users with HSPA+ are getting up to 4mbps...

Are you sure that GSM phones even work on Sprint? My understanding is that the your phone needs to be Sprint branded, otherwise they will not have an ESN number to activate in the system.
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No, I'm in Mexico, my carrier is Iusacell. They used to be a CDMA network, the first 3G network in Mexico built more than 10 years ago, most of us used to buy Sprint phones as they were the best to port to this company, however now they are starting their GSM network and it looks as if they're starting to leave the CDMA network out of the priority, so I'm looking for a phone that will work. I have done my research and they use the 850/1900 frequencies for HSPA+, so most US/Canada phones will work but not T-Mobile.
Thank you...

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No, I'm in Mexico, my carrier is Iusacell. They used to be a CDMA network, the first 3G network in Mexico built more than 10 years ago, most of us used to buy Sprint phones as they were the best to port to this company, however now they are starting their GSM network and it looks as if they're starting to leave the CDMA network out of the priority, so I'm looking for a phone that will work. I have done my research and they use the 850/1900 frequencies for HSPA+, so most US/Canada phones will work but not T-Mobile.
Thank you...
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Ahh, I understand now. That makes a lot more sense. You didn't mention your carrier (or country), but mentioned Sprint, so I assumed that was your carrier.
Right now, it seems that indeed the Bell Canada version of the Desire Z is best fit for what you want (same conclusion that I came to a few months ago).

Redpoint, don't forget the partitions are different on the phone also. The DZ has smaller partitions (system at least) than the G2. This hasn't been an issue... yet, given than every custom so far has been well below the stock size of even the DZ. With the new sense though, things are going to only go up in size for those ROMs. That being said it still shouldn't be an issue.

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Redpoint, don't forget the partitions are different on the phone also. The DZ has smaller partitions (system at least) than the G2. This hasn't been an issue... yet, given than every custom so far has been well below the stock size of even the DZ. With the new sense though, things are going to only go up in size for those ROMs. That being said it still shouldn't be an issue.
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Hard for me to forget it, since I wasn't aware of that :-/
Whats the exact breakdown of the difference in system partitions?
That's actually opposite of what one would expect, since the Sense ROMs take up more memory.

Yes, I hadn't mentioned my carrier earlier. Now my issue is that shipping from Canada to Mexico is prohibitive (more than 90USD), so maybe I will have to stay with the AT&T inspire... Will have to use Swype or something similar as an alternative to the physical keyboard.

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Yes, I hadn't mentioned my carrier earlier. Now my issue is that shipping from Canada to Mexico is prohibitive (more than 90USD), so maybe I will have to stay with the AT&T inspire... Will have to use Swype or something similar as an alternative to the physical keyboard.
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I was going to recommend the Inspire, even though you seemed to need/want a physical keyboard. It looks like a great phone.
The Desire Z is my 3rd smartphone, and all have had physical keyboards. But for my next, I am seriously considering going without the physical keyboard. I can't stand typing on a touch screen by the "traditional" method. But I've found that with Swype, I can type as fast, maybe even faster than with the physical keyboard. I've been finding myself using the physical keyboard much less than I thought I would.

Yes, I really like Swype too, but I have some issues with it. I write moste messages in Spanish, but I also use English and German. Changing languages is not as easy as I think it should be. But well, the main issue for me is that Swype always uses special charecters in Spanish/German (ñ, á, ä, etc.) which is nice on Emails, whatsapp, etc. but is a big problem with SMS texting as carriers in Mexico don't support these characters (it's really stupid) so messages sometimes get messed up completely.
I think that's the main reason why I like the physical keyboard. I have had many smartphones (mogul, touch, diamond, touch pro, motorola droid, htc evo and now the evo shift). I really hated the droid's keyboard, but the shift is really nice to use. Will have to get used to using on screen typing again... I think it's not worth paying 500 bucks for the Desire Z due to shippig if I can get a brand new Inspire for less...
Regards

redpoint73 said:
Hard for me to forget it, since I wasn't aware of that :-/
Whats the exact breakdown of the difference in system partitions?
That's actually opposite of what one would expect, since the Sense ROMs take up more memory.
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Sorry, didn't come back to this thread yesterday. I'm not sure of the exact breakdown for the partitions. I know the system is smaller and a couple others vary. There's an old thread somewhere on here with the details though.

[Q] Current M8 user, considering switch from Verizon to T-Mobile.

Hey All
Current Verizon M8 (rooted to GPE) user and I'm considering jumping to T-Mobile. I've loved the M8 and would intend on going with that device again if we make the switch. Planning on doing a Test Drive to get a feel of the network coverage in my area (Morris County, NJ).
Should all go well with that test, anything I should take into consideration with the T-Mobile version of the M8? Anything to be concerned with (rooting again, network radio capabilities, features, etc.)? Any past experiences of others switching to make note of?
Edit: Also, any success with using a Verizon M8 on the T-Mobile network? I'm savvy enough to make root-based mods if necessary. Wouldn't mind buying out the rest of my Verizon EDGE value on the phone to keep what I have.
Thanks for any input!

I also made the switch to t mobile from verizon. My first and only phone I have owned is the HTC Oe m8. The phone staright from TMobile came full of bloatware. 10+ apps of non sense. Coming from ios i had never rooted or unlocked a bootloader. I have to say it was super easy. TMobile does take awhile to realease updates but converting over to developer edition can take care of all that.

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I also made the switch to t mobile from verizon. My first and only phone I have owned is the HTC Oe m8. The phone staright from TMobile came full of bloatware. 10+ apps of non sense. Coming from ios i had never rooted or unlocked a bootloader. I have to say it was super easy. TMobile does take awhile to realease updates but converting over to developer edition can take care of all that.
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Tmobile updates faster than Version and att.[emoji1]

HTC One M8 from T-Mobile here. I switched from Verizon to T-Mobile a while back and was disappointed at first but T-Mobile is definitely upping their game and recently I haven't even looked back. The benefits to T-Mobile over Verizon? Much faster updates. Most devices are less locked down. Uses GSM version of the M8 (I don't believe the Verizon version is compatible but T-Mobile has a neat little monthly payment program that makes getting new phones feel easier) Did I mention the GSM M8 has a LOT more roms and support than the Verizon version? Oh, and you can get truly unlimited data without losing your ability to upgrade. And they don't throttle your data speeds like Verizon seems to do. In many areas T-Mobile has much faster 4G LTE speeds than Verizon.
But that's just everything I can tell you off the top of my head. For many devices, T-Mobile is the first to update their carrier branded devices and, in my opinion, the bloatware was never a big deal. Even found myself using most of what was provided.

At this point, I'd probably wait till the m9 if possible. If you can't, as much as I love my One, the G3 or Moto X would probably get my money on t-mobile. the M8 not having band 2 lte is a major annoyance for me.

TriBeard said:
At this point, I'd probably wait till the m9 if possible. If you can't, as much as I love my One, the G3 or Moto X would probably get my money on t-mobile. the M8 not having band 2 lte is a major annoyance for me.
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Yeah, might as well wait. I like Hima plus 5.5". I just hope when we get lollipop update will have volte.

I would only switch if you live near a major city. Since your Verizon phone will only work on Verizon bands. T-mobile has different bands. I have a Verizon m8 and am on T-Mobile. Luckily I live within 5miles of Philadelphia,PA. I also enabled bands that are locked that can be found out how to do in the Verizon forum. I have excellent reception, lte data, and WiFi calling. But I can say from past users on forums, that the reception can be dreadful if you don't live near a major city due to the band frequencies.

We have lollipop, bad thing is no volte, @at&t probably get their updates next year.lol!!!