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NorthAmerican 3G Network on TP2 ??

any idea if i change my radio version on TP2 by installing AT&T or T-Mobile it could works the 3G on it?? i have TP2 EURO Version witch is runing on Edge Speed Network.

Its highly unlikely. The only reason i'm not gonna say a definitive no is because of the rumored world tp2. Now if its anything like the last like 3-4 HTC phones the antenna for the USA 3G bands is not installed in the device so u can do all the software u want but it won't change the fact that u won't get 3G

not gonna work, there's nothing u can do. This has been addressed many times, just search.

to bad as a good phone like tp2 does not support North American 3G
maybe i should sell it because this phone one of the best in market for now and the made it in very hight quality brand but no 3G it means no internet on it 2 bad.

NorthAmerican 3G Network on TP2 ?? ¡¡¡Wait!!!
Hi guys, you must wait for the AT&T´s Fortress aka TP2
GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming ( 850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
UMTS tri-band global 3G ( 850/1900/2100 MHz)
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-Fortress-phone-pb_3712.html

cobra1971 said:
maybe i should sell it because this phone one of the best in market for now and the made it in very hight quality brand but no 3G it means no internet on it 2 bad.
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you really should have read up on this forum before you bought the phone. like esincho said, this has been addressed many, many times.

bujucito said:
Hi guys, you must wait for the AT&T´s Fortress aka TP2
GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming ( 850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
UMTS tri-band global 3G ( 850/1900/2100 MHz)
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-Fortress-phone-pb_3712.html
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that's not really an accurate pic of AT&T's TP2. especially because of the QWERTZ keyboard. this was discussed too lol

cobra1971 said:
maybe i should sell it because this phone one of the best in market for now and the made it in very hight quality brand but no 3G it means no internet on it 2 bad.
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i would never go as far to say u cant use the net at all the push pages make it very usable and edge isnt that slow its much slower than 3g but ive been replying to xda posts on my tp2 with no problem. if u want to stream stuff then ur out of luck

Bxsteez said:
i would never go as far to say u cant use the net at all the push pages make it very usable and edge isnt that slow its much slower than 3g but ive been replying to xda posts on my tp2 with no problem. if u want to stream stuff then ur out of luck
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I live in a 3G arean and i had 3G devices before and i do not see a speed difference between EDGE and 3G

mac208x said:
I live in a 3G area and i had 3G devices before and i do not see a speed difference between EDGE and 3G
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Yeah, there is not much of a difference if you use EDGE or 3G on the phone itself. I do everything on EDGE, and i'm quite happy. The peak i got here is 20kb/s and is fast enough for my everyday needs. I can even stream youtube normally, just like my PC.
The big difference here is when you tether. On everything else, EDGE is fine.

I live in a 3G area and just switched from my xperia to the touch pro 2 and there is a huge difference depending on what browser u use. And youtube loads very slow on edge at least for me it does. 3G was much faster!

Based upon my experience with the Touch HD T8282 in the US I wouldn't recommend anyone here buy the Rhodium 100 with European 3G. I'd suggest waiting for the Rhodium 300 with the UMTS850.
EDGE Sucks, forget any streaming....period.

^agree, usa 3G is a must have for speedy internet, streaming, etc.

mmdirk said:
Based upon my experience with the Touch HD T8282 in the US I wouldn't recommend anyone here buy the Rhodium 100 with European 3G. I'd suggest waiting for the Rhodium 300 with the UMTS850.
EDGE Sucks, forget any streaming....period.
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Hi Mmdirk,
Is there anyway to identify physically or on Windows a Rhodium 3oo from a Rhodium 100?
Regards
Omar

well if you put the skyfire browser it makes a major differnece in speed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXgBcegnrs

osanchezm said:
Hi Mmdirk,
Is there anyway to identify physically or on Windows a Rhodium 3oo from a Rhodium 100?
Regards
Omar
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Omar,
If you bought yours from Mobile City Online then there is no doubt yours is the Euro version Rhodium100. The US version has not yet been released. Lift up the battery cover and the model# should be under the battery.

bersca said:
Omar,
If you bought yours from Mobile City Online then there is no doubt yours is the Euro version Rhodium100. The US version has not yet been released. Lift up the battery cover and the model# should be under the battery.
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Hi Bersca,
You are right, it is a Rhodium100
Regards
Omar

Im sending mines back!!! That was a deal breaker for me... they should have been upfront about it... Unless I can figure out how to put US 3G on here, I'm sending it back to Hong Kong...

Upfront??? Its all over these forums on HTC's website. I'm not sure how much more information you needed? A big red sign? I don't understand this confusion.

Lenstar said:
Im sending mines back!!! That was a deal breaker for me... they should have been upfront about it... Unless I can figure out how to put US 3G on here, I'm sending it back to Hong Kong...
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seriously, stop posting your sob story in any thread you find.
it's no one's fault but yours that you bought the European version that doesn't run 3G in the US. if you had done your research instead of relying only on whatever online store you purchased it from, you would have known that the Rhodium 100 doesn't have the necessary bands to support 3G here.
all that info is in this forum, all you had to do was look. so stop blaming the online merchant for not being "upfront" with you, because no one here will care. it's your fault for not researching the phone further than "ooohhhh the screen tilts and it's a 3.6 inch WVGA resolution and it has dual speakers and blah blah blah" learn from this mistake so you won't waste your money and posting space on the forum.

Desire to ATT?

BGR seems to think so. I'm SO getting one if it's true.

YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. I never liked the htc sense but is gaining on me so much. Just waiting for the first one on AT&T's 3g. The nexus one I will put htc sense on for sure and the Desire I will root it so I can CHANGE from sense to stock android. Anybody's strategy for the first htc android phone on AT&T?

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YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. I never liked the htc sense but is gaining on me so much. Just waiting for the first one on AT&T's 3g. The nexus one I will put htc sense on for sure and the Desire I will root it so I can CHANGE from sense to stock android. Anybody's strategy for the first htc android phone on AT&T?
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i want the desire. i like the sense UI and would rather have it on the device instead of using ROMs.
part of me wants the nexus, so updates are always out.. but there's always xda XD.

oh no! what if I buy an att desire for t-mobile, will I get 3g?

Oh please Heavenly Lord don't give such a beast to such a undeserving network! Let them stick with the iphone.
And to the above you will get 2G only!!!

Down with AT&T!!!!
This phone should come to T-Mobile since they need an exclusive phone (the nexus one doesn't count because of that lame arse plan you have to get) that is really good.
Stick with your iPhone AT&T. You need the fanboys going over to you and let the "real" carriers get the Android phones.

I thought Tmobile was getting this phone??

I don't see why everone is dogging AT&T? ya i'm not in love with the carrier or iphone. In fact i'm one the biggest iphone haters alive, but AT&T is the only service where I get 3g and it is FAST. T-MOBILE gets edge at best on the nations 3rd largest carrier. I know AT&T doesn't get good service in some big cities but the best option for me and my area within a 250 mile rdaius. You should be excited att id getting an droid phone, but of course att will some how screw with android with some yahoo android apps or something.

Desire!
This is most likely my next device. I am so glad to see that AT&T saw fit to get a real HTC with great specs. I have been anxiously awaiting which HTC device was coming my way. There is no way I was going to settle for the Backflip! They may also be getting the Sony Ericcson X10 which is also a nice device, but in my opinion nothing compared to the Desire. The confirmed Dell mini 3 is not even a consideration, but the mini 5 would definately have my attention. Cant wait to hear a release date, I know what I'm getting myself for my Bday in May if the release date works out.

UberMario said:
Down with AT&T!!!!
This phone should come to T-Mobile since they need an exclusive phone (the nexus one doesn't count because of that lame arse plan you have to get) that is really good.
Stick with your iPhone AT&T. You need the fanboys going over to you and let the "real" carriers get the Android phones.
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Your carrier fanboyism aside, I don't want an iphone. I can't switch to T-mobile. Know why? Because there's no T-mobile 3G where I live.
Millions of americans are in the same predicament, and choices are usually limited 1 or 2 carriers. For east Orlando, that means VZW or AT&T. Hence, despite T-mobile's awesome prices and great phones (I wanted an N1, HD2 and an N900, guess whose network they only work with?), there's an important reason why they're still #4- they keep avoiding us. So piss off...
That said, I want an N1 or Desire... hurry up AT&T!!!

corneliusm said:
Your carrier fanboyism aside, I don't want an iphone. I can't switch to T-mobile. Know why? Because there's no T-mobile 3G where I live.
Millions of americans are in the same predicament, and choices are usually limited 1 or 2 carriers. For east Orlando, that means VZW or AT&T. Hence, despite T-mobile's awesome prices and great phones (I wanted an N1, HD2 and an N900, guess whose network they only work with?), there's an important reason why they're still #4- they keep avoiding us. So piss off...
That said, I want an N1 or Desire... hurry up AT&T!!!
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SO True.............The First Highend 3G HTC Phone ATT Carriers..IM all Over......N1, Desire ...Lets go........Time to move on from the G1....
Wish HTC would make a vairent with a keyboard tho.

I'm looking at either the Desire or the upcoming X10... Anyone know anything about a release date? I'm suffering from new phone fever over here and have been due for an upgrade for a while...

DKM119 said:
I thought Tmobile was getting this phone??
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I don't think it'd make a whole lot of sense for TMo to get both the Nexus One (which they're rumored to get - subsidized on-contract, not the unlocked version) and the Desire; they're basically the same hardware...

I want this on tmobile so bad. i love tmobile

Will the desire with its current specification run on at&t 3G network? I noticed the 850 band is only labeled GSM, while the 900/2100 is labeled HSDPA.
In this column, he mentions it will only run on 2G in the states.
slashgear.com/htc-desire-vs-google-nexus-one-2074966/

dunderbao said:
Will the desire with its current specification run on at&t 3G network? I noticed the 850 band is only labeled GSM, while the 900/2100 is labeled HSDPA.
In this column, he mentions it will only run on 2G in the states.
slashgear.com/htc-desire-vs-google-nexus-one-2074966/
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No. Need to wait for a US version otherwise the best you'll get is edge.

Lol, I have AT&T and I'll stay with them only if I can't get this phone with Verizon.
Problem is, AT&T drops lots of my calls, somewhere in the neighborhood of 5% around town and as high as 20% where I live. They seem fine other wise. When i'm traveling to other areas, life is good with them. Their devices work internationally and I can talk and surf at the same time. When I'm near my home which isn't a rural area at all, drop drop drop.

venelar said:
No. Need to wait for a US version otherwise the best you'll get is edge.
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Or find some way to get an unlocked one from Telstra Austrailia, they'll be rolling out the Desire next month. They run an 850Mhz 3G network and as with their 850Mhz Touch HD, their 850Mhz Desire should work on AT&T as well.

Can you use Evo 4g on other countries?

Hello ppl, the problem that i have is that i want to buy an HTC EVO 4G, but i live in central américa and I dont know if i can use it here, if i cant wich one would u recommend me, i want a phone with at least a CPU running at 1Ghz and a nice camera, thanks for ur comments and sorry if i´m doing something wrong, Thank You

julioavalon2015 said:
Hello ppl, the problem that i have is that i want to buy an HTC EVO 4G, but i live in central américa and I dont know if i can use it here, if i cant wich one would u recommend me, i want a phone with at least a CPU running at 1Ghz and a nice camera, thanks for ur comments and sorry if i´m doing something wrong, Thank You
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I think this is the current list of nations with CDMA networks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CDMA2000_networks
I would recommend that you simply buy a phone from a local mobile company. CDMA phones are harder to get working on other systems than GSM phones.

You have to find out what networks you have where you live. American CDMA is pretty much only a North American signal. The Evo is built to run on the Sprint network which is CDMA.
Most European countries (I know you are not in European country) run on a GSM network. Two of USA's bigger companies run GSM phones...AT&T and T-Mobile. Phones from both those companies will run in Europe...but not at 3G. But they will work.
My new Evo will not work in Europe...so next time I travel I will need to consider this.
Not sure if that helps. What network does your phone company use? Then get a phone that will work on that network. Evo is only CDMA so pretty much only a North American phone.

thank you very much for your answer, i hope to get a wonderful phone soon, and thank you again

Mine roamed on both data and voice when I was in Cabo San Lucas last week...

julioavalon2015 said:
Hello ppl, the problem that i have is that i want to buy an HTC EVO 4G, but i live in central américa and I dont know if i can use it here, if i cant wich one would u recommend me, i want a phone with at least a CPU running at 1Ghz and a nice camera, thanks for ur comments and sorry if i´m doing something wrong, Thank You
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I live in Asia and yes, as long as you have compatible CDMA networks it will work, even the EVDO works!! You'll just need to ask your CDMA provider to inject a CDMA number or you can unlock it yourself using CDMA works (a bit risky thou)

Find out what frequencies the country you are trying to use it in run on their CDMA networks, Sprint runs on 1900MHz, the EVO roams on Verizon's 800MHz band. 800MHz is only for voice, 1900MHz runs both voice and data. So if you are in a country with a 800MHz CDMA network it will work, but only for voice/texts. WiMax runs on 2.5GHz, no one else uses that band for WiMax.

Get a unlocked nexus one it will save u the cdma trouble
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App

Even if it works, and you try and experiment with it only, you might get a few thousand dollar phone bill. Be very careful.
It has happened with many people with iPhone.

sablesurfer said:
My new Evo will not work in Europe...so next time I travel I will need to consider this.
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Yes it will.

GHOST99K said:
Get a unlocked nexus one it will save u the cdma trouble
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App
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Yep, the N1 has nearly the same specs, and is available in both an AT&T flavor and T-Mobile flavor of GSM. Find out what you need in your area (I expect it will be the T-Mobile phone) and go for that instead.
The N1 has a 5MP camera instead of 8MP, but the picture quality is often just as good (higher MP just means you can blow it up or crop more) and the screen is a 3.7" instead of 4.3". However both run basically the same hardware inside, and the N1 has a more mature modding community.

herzzreh said:
Yes it will.
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While Europe is a big place, the voice & wireless data portions of the Sprint Evo will not work in England, Ireland, Spain, France, Portugal, or Germany. Just like 95% percent of all Sprint phones.

herzzreh said:
Yes it will.
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Uhm...a flat contradiction adds nothing to the conversation. More data if you have it. The non-compatibility with Ireland/Europe/etc was a huge deal to me. One I had to just swallow and accept that if I want the phone I'd have to deal with travel at that time.
I spent weeks researching and was even told by Sprint store that no go on the Evo.
CNET: "Alternatively, if your relative is a Sprint or a Verizon customer, he or she can rent GSM phones from the carrier for the length of the trip:
HTC: "Networks CDMA 800/1900 MHz EVDO Rev. A, WiMAX 2. 5 to 2.7GHz; 802.16e"
Don't be an azz and throw out a denial with no information. Even HTC shows this phone has NO GSM.

chazglenn3 said:
Mine roamed on both data and voice when I was in Cabo San Lucas last week...
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Is it an extra charge to use phone there..?

[Q] Looking to purchase the Desire Z

I am coming from a WinMo 6.1 AT&T Tilt (TYTN II) I bought it about 2 years ago and it has the Dutty Series ROM. Good phone but it just doesnt keep up on the web. Been through a bind with the screen absorbing some water but replaced it and it back to normal. I am looking at the Desire Z but I see on Ebay that a lot of G2 are being passed off as Z's. I know the main difference is the ROM available, One has 1.5GB and the other supposedly has 4GB, that is of no importance to me as I will be purchasing a 16GB microSD card. How does the HTC Sense feel to you guys? Is it worth it?
I was aiming for the Win7 platform but its such a new interface, I fear it will have bugs and as usual, the end-user is going to be the tester and have to deal with the bugs. I was pointed towards the Desire Z by a friend who had it and loved it but had to change carriers and couldn't take the phone with him.
What is the opinion of the forum of G2 and the Z. Is it better to go with one or the other? I absolutely need the keyboard. My fingers do not fair well with an on-screen keyboard. The other thing I would like to do is use it in The States but also have capability in Europe, specifically Greece as I fly back and forth periodically. Would the bands work between the two countries both on 2G and 3G networks? I don't cruise on the net a whole bunch because of my current phone, but I am hoping to change that with the new purchase.
Pete

Hi there, sorry to see you've had no response to your questions, I can't really answer as to which is best of the two, but I can tell you that I have owned the desire z for a few weeks now and like yourself, I must have a physical qwerty board as I can't get on with on screen keyboards very well. The desire z is a great handset, it's quick enough, smooth enough, has enough room for apps, and I actually quite like sense, when I first had my HTC desire about a year ago when they first came out, I couldn't have tried harder to get sense off of it, and have had a stream of "bare bones" android phones since. I have to say that having sense on it now has bought a few real bonuses to the table that I'd shrugged off before. Granted, its been improved on the z now, and as a result I would say that imho its better have now than not.

The memory is the same on both. Check out http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#The_Missing_2GB
If you are with a network that has 4G or are likely to change networks in the foreseeable future then get the G2 to make use of it, if that is not an issue then the DZ would suffice as that is the only difference. But check what bands each phone supports before you make a decision pal.

I am pretty sure the G2 and Desire Z have exactly the same download and upload speed, except the G2 doesn't come with Sense by default and operates on 1700/2100 frequencies. Bell's Desire Z will get 3G on AT&T but I think it has the 2100 band removed so it may not get 3G in Europe.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

I came from the Tytn II also -- the only thing I regretted (at first) was not being able to use my considerable collection of bought Windows Mobile 6 software, but I was screwed anyway since WinMo 7 wasn't going to be backwards compatible. So now I'm an android geek, and loving it.
Desire Z is an amazing phone.

Frostshock said:
I am pretty sure the G2 and Desire Z have exactly the same download and upload speed, except the G2 doesn't come with Sense by default and operates on 1700/2100 frequencies. Bell's Desire Z will get 3G on AT&T but I think it has the 2100 band removed so it may not get 3G in Europe.
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Yeah Greece runs on 900/1800 & 2100 for 3G....So I need to maybe buy a phone with these specs. Perhaps I can get lucky and buy it from a UK website cheaper. They want close to $750 for it in a retail store of Greece.

One other question....I am searching for A7272 which is the international version HTC Desire Z. I was looking through some auctions and the Desire Z / G2 say that they have a S-LCD display....when searching for A7272, the sellers claim that the screen is AMOLED....Is there truth to this?

Pyper70 said:
One other question....I am searching for A7272 which is the international version HTC Desire Z. I was looking through some auctions and the Desire Z / G2 say that they have a S-LCD display....when searching for A7272, the sellers claim that the screen is AMOLED....Is there truth to this?
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It's not AMOLED, it's S-LCD. But it's a very good display.
Which networks do you want your phone to run on ? Here's a summary of which 3G bands the G2/DZ versions operate on (note that you can *not* change this via a radio update, it's set in hardware) :
G2 - Bands IV(1700) and I (2100).
Desire Z - Band I (2100) and Band VIII (900).
Bell Desire Z - Band II (1900) and Band V (850) - same bands as AT&T uses in the US.

steviewevie said:
It's not AMOLED, it's S-LCD. But it's a very good display.
Which networks do you want your phone to run on ? Here's a summary of which 3G bands the G2/DZ versions operate on (note that you can *not* change this via a radio update, it's set in hardware) :
G2 - Bands IV(1700) and I (2100).
Desire Z - Band I (2100) and Band VIII (900).
Bell Desire Z - Band II (1900) and Band V (850) - same bands as AT&T uses in the US.
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Well I absolutely need the 900/2100 (2G / 3G respectively for Greece) because I spend a good chunk of time there. As far as the US is concerned, I run on T-Mobile there. Worst case scenario, I'll keep my TYTN II for use in the States.

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...One has 1.5GB and the other supposedly has 4GB, that is of no importance to me as I...
Pete
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Note that both machines have nearly identical hardware. They BOTH have 4GB physical RAM however this is permanently partitioned at the factory so that approx 2GB is usable. There are threads on this board that discuss this at length. Upshot is that we have 2GB effective RAM in both the Desire Z and the G2.

So I am poking around the net...I found that the G-2 from T-Mobile has Quad Band and UMTS for 1700/2100....Greece runs on 900/1800 GSM & UMTS 2100...Big question is...whats the difference between buying a Desire Z and a G2. I am looking at about a $150 gap in the price....Is the UI different? Hardware different? Screen? Some people are saying theirs has a TFT...others say LCD....even found one that said AMOLED (which I KNOW is wrong)
It looks like the G2 will run in Greece...but I don't care too much for that Google Interface...Can I drop that UI and put something else? Can I load up HTCSense and still register the G2 on the site and have those options or is that strictly a Desire Z option?

Pyper70 said:
So I am poking around the net...I found that the G-2 from T-Mobile has Quad Band and UMTS for 1700/2100....Greece runs on 900/1800 GSM & UMTS 2100...Big question is...whats the difference between buying a Desire Z and a G2. I am looking at about a $150 gap in the price....Is the UI different? Hardware different? Screen? Some people are saying theirs has a TFT...others say LCD....even found one that said AMOLED (which I KNOW is wrong)
It looks like the G2 will run in Greece...but I don't care too much for that Google Interface...Can I drop that UI and put something else? Can I load up HTCSense and still register the G2 on the site and have those options or is that strictly a Desire Z option?
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The only real difference are the radio bands (fixed in hardware, you can't change it) and the hardware keyboard layout. They do come with different ROMs, Sense on the DZ and without Sense on the G2. Same screens (S-LCD), same memory, same everything else.
Yes, you can flash a Sense ROM onto a G2 or vice versa. If you have a Sense ROM you should be able to use HTCSense.com (though that functionality is not finished yet by HTC).
I recommend you choose your phone based on the radio band support. You can easily change to a different ROM if you want to. So I think you need a DZ based on the radio bands (DZ in Europe has Band I - 2100, and Band VIII - 900 ; the G2's band 1700/2100 is a different band, Band IV).

I have a brand new desire z I bought for my girlfriend but she doesn't like it and wants an Iphone (go figure) I will sell to you if you want?

Sparacis said:
I have a brand new desire z I bought for my girlfriend but she doesn't like it and wants an Iphone (go figure) I will sell to you if you want?
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No offense Sparacis, but because it is a high amount of money for a product. I want to purchase it online with a little bit of protection. Just in case something happens. I hope you understand.

perfectly understandable no offense taken. Just thought I would throw it out there.

Pyper70 said:
Screen? Some people are saying theirs has a TFT...others say LCD....even found one that said AMOLED (which I KNOW is wrong)
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It's S-LCD which is a type of P-VA which is a type of (TFT-)LCD.
Clear?

I upgraded from the Tilt2 to the Desire Z, and was completely blown away at how much better this phone is. Switching from the 3 year old Tilt to the DZ is going to absolutely blow your mind. You will not want to use your old Tilt anymore after you upgrade, trust me (except as an emergency backup device).
As steviewevie mentioned, you should pick the version that has the radios you need, since this is a hardware thing, and can't be changed. The software is completely changeable. You can always flash a Sense ROM onto the G2. Sounds like you need to buy either a Euro Desire Z or the T-Mob G2, depending on which will give you 3G in the country you spend the most time in.
Also, Sense is really just an enhancement to Android. Lots of elements of the Android OS still remain. And lots of what Sense does, can be accomplished with third party apps and homescreen widgets. So you can alway try that route, if you decide to get a G2 and are gun shy about ROM flashing.
I agree that Windows Phone 7 is too new an OS to invest in at the moment. App support is going to be slow to build up steam. It took Android the better part of 2 years before the app market really started reaching critical mass. And it really remains to be seen whether WP7 can really survive in the current smartphone environment. MS really has a tough fight in front of them if they want to prove themselves a viable competitor to Apple and Android.
Bottom line, if the hardware keyboard is a must, the Desire Z/G2 is the best phone around right now. You won't be disappointed if you buy it.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

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So I am poking around the net...I found that the G-2 from T-Mobile has Quad Band and UMTS for 1700/2100....Greece runs on 900/1800 GSM & UMTS 2100...Big question is...whats the difference between buying a Desire Z and a G2. I am looking at about a $150 gap in the price....Is the UI different? Hardware different? Screen? Some people are saying theirs has a TFT...others say LCD....even found one that said AMOLED (which I KNOW is wrong)
It looks like the G2 will run in Greece...but I don't care too much for that Google Interface...Can I drop that UI and put something else? Can I load up HTCSense and still register the G2 on the site and have those options or is that strictly a Desire Z option?
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Wrote a huge editorally on my opinions, but somehow lost it all running spellcheck so the super abridged, is if you want the physical keyboard get the vision if u don't use it get the HD2, you can dual boot win-android, but right now android is the way to go... but i'm still pissed

i got 1 to work with att and it was will worth it

Dalamak said:
Wrote a huge editorally on my opinions, but somehow lost it all running spellcheck so the super abridged, is if you want the physical keyboard get the vision if u don't use it get the HD2, you can dual boot win-android, but right now android is the way to go... but i'm still pissed
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The HD2 specs are somewhat behind those of the Vision, and my understanding is an Android port is never going to run as well as a phone that runs it natively (but not speaking from experience on the HD2 specifically). And I hate to admit it, but WM6 is dead and needs to be buried. I don't miss it for a second. If the Desire HD is a available in your market, I can see that as a strong option. Otherwise, the Vision does not have many legitimate contenders right now.
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[Q] Does Desire HD A9191 get 3G on TMOUS??

Couldn't find an answer for this question sorry. I am thinking of buying the Desire HD A9191 but I want to make sure I will get at least 3G here in San Diego on T-Mobile. Thanks in advance for some assistance.

Sorry but no. You'll only be able to manage EDGE. the sensation 4g is right around the corner I would suggest that.
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desire hd a9191 model quad band 3G
Actually I believe this specific desire HD will get 3g on tmous they claim the a9191 model to be quad band 3G not just quad band GSM... and also say works with all carriers T-Mobile is listed so I would imagine u *#*#4636#*#* and then hit menu select bands then T-Mobile US then the correct radio and or ril...T-Mobile EU is in list too... it may depend on where you are located, I'm in DC and I knew someone who got H 3G on euro milestone on T-Mobile using that method and that phone has the 900/2100mhz, I held a sensation today and it has less ram and is 100% plastic and the screen is narrower... I'm with thus Guy on an a9191 Desire HD with the full unibody aluminum housing.. the phone is so nice I went and got the att version unlocked so its an inspire 2G now and am rocking edge (the E is such an ugly site someone make a theme that replaces edge icon with 4G just to trick my mind lol) just cause its worth the trade offphone if u wondering why i think this device rockd u probly have only used on sense ui rom its all about great its the combo of a perfectly tuned CM7.1 with this amazing device... but yea trying to get some confirmed info also on the a9191 version ofcourse ill get it and it will end up working but then some **** like att will own T-Mobile then and the stupid inspire will get 3G/4G anyway... why is it that the phone u want never offered by your carrier... if someone can confirm this please do thanks

This model is not quadband 3g. T-Mobile USA runs on1700/2100 for 3g . This model uses 900/2100. So their is a chance you might be able to pick up 3g, but it depends what frequency they are using in your specific area. If they use 1700 in SD then your stuck on edge if they use 2100 then you'll get 3g.
But like I recommended the sensation 4g is right around the corner. With that your guaranteed 3g comparability plus a better screen, dual core
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I automatically shot down the quadband 3G stated on this a9191 model desire HD... but in several sited places to purchase the phone it clearly states quadband 3G not quadband GSM like everyother device... it also says worldwide 3G will work on any carrier...
The sesnsation is not a worthy replacement for this device... like I said above its all plastic yes its dual core but has less ram... ram is much more needed then a second core when the single is overclocked to 1.5ghz its stupid fast and will use half the battery that the sensation will... the screen is narrowed and stretched on sensation... I prefer the square brick style of the dhd... sensation may be out in a day or too but if not getting contract or upgrade price on it why bother if dhd a9191 will get hsdpa on tmous... sensation is $550 off contract dhd $400 to $550 and all the development is done for dhd already... no waiting for working perm root s-off and engineering bootloader... I know where I am in DC I've seen a euro 900/2100 milestone get hsdpa here... so I'm good even if it turns out to not be quad band 3G.. but have clearly read that this specific dhd is able to pull hsdpa from any carrier worldwide... its unbranded and sold as unlocked only by websites there is not carrier tied to this device.... yes in the past getting 3G in us and worldwide was not an option but think how long could that remain as a worldwide industry standard... there's phones listed comming out for T-Mobile that show both T-Mobile and att 3g bands on a single device... clearly as technology keeps up at its current rate its not hard to believe that this day may have finally come upon us with woldwide 3G... ofcourse there's no advertising for these devices as then carriers wouldn't be able to sell contracts.... think about the GSM evo 3D comming soon.... wtf is that all about and what good would it be if it didn't have this same technology that is supposedly wrapped up in this very similar desire HD of the specific a9191 part# no other phone on any of the sites selling that model say will get 3G worldwide on any carrier T-Mobile aswell as at&t and many others are listed... and I also knew someone that had a UK tmobile G1 and came to visit here in states and upon getting off plane he had edge connection.. so called T-Mobile and was told to switch to US 3G Band by dialing *#*#4636#*#* and he did this and his UK G1 dream connected on 3G... so if u like the inspire 4G, the Thunderbolt, desire HD, evo 4G or. 3D because of the physical appearance or heavy/ solid/metal feel then u will not like the 100% plastic htc sensation... yes that's a nice feature of sensation to be able to change housing as fast as removing batt cover so u will not need any protection as if u drop sensation and screw it up u will be able to buy new entire exterior housing for under $20 on eBay....the only thing giving the sensation any wieght is the battery and the thick contoured tempered digitizer glass... it is not a worthy substitute for a nand flashed HD2 that's been done properly... and the stock sense 3.0 with all apps killed on sensation gives only 113mb ram.. that cpus will not be able to make up for that serious lack of ram... it is not 768mb like dhd or tbolt it must be like 620mb cause its only displaying Max in 530mb range so once again the pre spec sheets lie or the ppl reviewing these devices are retarded and can't take a minute to download a simple app that displays the actual hardware specs... its ridiculous... this isn't rocket science anyone reviewing a device for a forum should have atleast 1/2 a brain to catch these hyped up inaccurate pre release guess specs... its bull**** u put 1gb ram in your PC it displays 1024mb ram so how come when they say we have 768mb ram on phone it actually shows 620mb wtf? Here's screen shot of my inspire 4G Max available ram... I used same method to check sensation and it shows 530mb so how do both devices have 768mb.... (yes its an HTC inspire despite the moto blur look) http://db.tt/KQWMtT7

Maybe I answered my own question on the ram discrepency says now in free memory widget maximum amount of mem for users applications... I'm gonna guess that the missing 148mb is dedicated entirely to the system rom and apps and is never displayed... still doesn't really make much sense though cause if 238mb is pre designated to system on htc sensation then what is using up over 400mb after closing all background apps with atk? Sense UI 3.0 has gotta be one of the heaviest stock roms ever... junk .....if u want **** to look like sense use cm7.1 and make it look like sense or blur whatever... no excuse or good reason at all to use any rom that is not vanilla or cm based as your just killing your own android experience that is ofcourse if its an option for your device.... HD2 CM7.1 runs 100 times better then sensation on sense 3.0 and gets about same download speeds....hd2 little slower on speed test... 6000kbps vs 7000kbps and now that rom manager supports HD2 that was last feature needed to be equal to an official android device... if u have T-Mobile and want a fully modable HTC 4.3" there's your device.... HTC HD2 with nand flashed CM7.1 even with less ram then sensation has 150mb more free avail then sensation with no Widgets on screens.,..
Mardsta or whatever u answered dude first with no u will only get edge period.. then after hearing what I had to say u have changed your answer to yes maybe depending on your area... so r u just pissing in the wind? Clearly u have not actually taken the a9191 Device and tried to get 3G on tmous with it... so ur just guessing away and passing it off as fact.... if you do not know the answer 100% for sure don't act like it as it only make finding the correct info that much harder...

I actually did read both your responses even though long winded. In part you were right about my first answer. I had forgotten that in some places tmo will use the 2100 frequencies. They tend to use the 1700. Simple mistake.
I have used this model in question in the Los Angeles area. Not once did I pick up 3g on att or T-Mobile.
As to the sensation I offered it as a suggestion. You may not like it " maybe the open will. So get off your high horse. The dual core is actually more effiicient and battery friendly. Its the beauty of progress.
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U r fulla **** u never tried with that model desire hd a9191

Wow, didn't mean to start such a pissing match guys. I ended up getting the Sensation and I love it. Who needs 3G, I now have 4G. This phone is amazing!
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My bro just scouped one up (a9191) on Craig's list NYC and previous owner said would get 3G in queens but not Manhattan... hopefully not fulla****... currently trying everything possible to get it to work in NJ right outside Manhattan.... well see what happens...