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[Q] Slow Flash Performance

Hi Everyone,
I love the new 2.2 update, specifically, I love having full flash support.
I am wondering if anyone knows how to get better performance out of flash? If you watch the videos at iCarly.com and TheSlap.com you'll notice that they do play, however, the videos are unwatchable.
Does anyone have any tips or tricks to make them watchable?

I don't know about a fix, sorry.
I DO know that I am not impressed with the official flash system in 2.2. I wish there was some way to revert back to the HTC Flash player from 2.1 while keeping the 2.2 kernel.

Divine intervention, **** off iCarly and the problem will disapear. I don't even know about the other thing, but probably best left unwatched.
Also I have my server have flash videos of some movies(private for me), and they run at about 25fps instead of the 30fps so it gets a bit jittery, but still completely watchable.

jigglywiggly said:
Divine intervention, **** off iCarly and the problem will disapear. I don't even know about the other thing, but probably best left unwatched.
Also I have my server have flash videos of some movies(private for me), and they run at about 25fps instead of the 30fps so it gets a bit jittery, but still completely watchable.
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Well, that was just a bit rude and less than helpful!
Are you saying that videos with a lower fps would run better? Can you point me to a website where I can test that theory?

buddyisadog said:
Well, that was just a bit rude and less than helpful!
Are you saying that videos with a lower fps would run better? Can you point me to a website where I can test that theory?
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Sorry, I don't have a helpful answer either. I just had to admit, I had a good laugh at jigglywiggly's response; I understand how it might come across as rude (especially if you're in the iCarly demographic), although, I really don't think it was meant as personal insult. Best of luck on your query, though.
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Eurasian Lynx said:
Sorry, I don't have a helpful answer either. I just had to admit, I had a good laugh at jigglywiggly's response; I understand how it might come across as rude (especially if you're in the iCarly demographic), although, I really don't think it was meant as personal insult. Best of luck on your query, though.
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Heheh, actually I get that all the time when I mention those sites. I'm actually the producer of the video content on the site (not the site itself).
Those sites pay my bills!

Unfortunately, this forum is not very iCarly-friendly. Just 'sayin.

Haha! Good laugh! I play stuff like that for my kids.
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I just ran some side by side tests against a Nexus 1, and can say with certainty that Flash performance on the Evo is MUCH worse. The framerate drops significantly on the Evo as new balls are introduced on Fat Slice Mobile (on Kongregate), and other games resulted in significant lag when sending touch commands.
Let's hope this is just a problem with the 'leaked' froyo build.

I just went to iCarly.com and the video are definitely watchable the frame rate was good and the audio was in sync I don't know why its unwatchable for you perhaps its your internet speed.

people arent taking their data connection in to consideration here...
even in the nexus vs evo comparo, was it done on wifi or 3g, or 4g (for the evo only)?

My internet connection speed was not the issue, I was on wifi. The issue was present over 4g as well.
I installed the official OTA 2.2 update (rooted) and this seems to have solved the problem. The videos play perfectly (almost) now.

Just remember guys, this is Sense. Sense slows things down. The Sense browser is slow which will make flash slower. On AOSP 2.2 Flash runs flawlessly. Don't be upset if it is a little slower.
And btw, iCarly is actually a funny show. My 3 year old loves it and I was forced to watch it with her. Now I get excited when a new episode is on. Don't hate me! ha ha

Things are hardly as optimized as I hoped.
It's definitely HTCs fault..
Can somebody upload the stock froyo browser?

Flash works good for a phone, if you want a better flash support get a computer.
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chuckhriczko said:
Just remember guys, this is Sense. Sense slows things down. The Sense browser is slow which will make flash slower. On AOSP 2.2 Flash runs flawlessly. Don't be upset if it is a little slower.
And btw, iCarly is actually a funny show. My 3 year old loves it and I was forced to watch it with her. Now I get excited when a new episode is on. Don't hate me! ha ha
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Flash games are completely unplayable. Red Star Fall (a very simple game) from Kongregate's mobile site runs at about 10-15 fps with lag on each touch command. It's like this for most flash games.
Movies seem to run fine though.

Why is SenseUI slow/laggy?

Why would Sprint market a phone with SenseUI when it's slow slow and laggy? I'm referring specifically to the home screen transitions. It's noticeably slower and not as smooth as Launcher Pro or ADW.
Is there anything that can be done about this? I like SenseUI, but ugh!
I otherwise LOVE this phone.

Use a tweak ROM like MikFroyo 4.5, ****s crazy fast.

biassj said:
Use a tweak ROM like MikFroyo 4.5, ****s crazy fast.
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+1, although I put ADW on top and it's fan-freakin-tastic

Thanks for the suggestion! I really like SenseUI, but yeah... the stock is slow as hell. I notice things other things that seem slower than they should be for the hardware this phone has.
Then again... I'm used to running an overclocked Nexus One....
Thanks again.
I'll check out out tonight.

Ryjabo said:
Why would Sprint market a phone with SenseUI when it's slow slow and laggy? I'm referring specifically to the home screen transitions. It's noticeably slower and not as smooth as Launcher Pro or ADW.
Is there anything that can be done about this? I like SenseUI, but ugh!
I otherwise LOVE this phone.
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Just a thought and not sure it will work but have you tried installing SpareParts and setting the speeds all the way up?

I hear ya
CCallahan said:
Just a thought and not sure it will work but have you tried installing SpareParts and setting the speeds all the way up?
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I worked on the nexus, vibrant and epic. Those phones have an ext4 partition. that pretty much fixes all lag. humming bird processors are like amd processors and snapdragon is like intel. you will never get that performance or PIZAZZ out of the evo. Blame it on the masonic influence but i think your desire to switch to the evo was pure marketing.
Ohh and the video is no where near 720p. I think the evo gets 25fps. No matter what app is designed to tell you false readings, your phone will never perform like the nexus. IN MY OPINION. I have all three up and going right now. Not only is the vibrant hd video camcorder 50000000000000000000000 times better, faster and defined but i am actually capturing cleaner smoother video on the samsung moment as we speak. I have all of the firmware and apk files from all phones but i know nothing of porting firmware. The harware on the evo quotes its own ability to handle such performance. I find it weird that it does not. Also most people will not respond to questions that challenge the capabilities of the evo. They are too busy trying to avoid the proof. which is clear as day

Nitrous Rom (speed?), Anthrax

I read in Development forums that the new Nitrous rom is
an updated stock rom that is much faster. I have flashed
many roms and kernels in the past and never saw a speed
difference (unless overclocked). Well I tried Nitrous and again
noticed no difference in quadrant or nenamark2 scores (I game).
I flashed the hotspot hack and it did not work, so I flashed
a supposed faster anthrax kernel. Nothing got faster, but now
the hotspot wifi works. So Nitrous is a good looking rom, but
I don't get how everyone is saying it is faster. The only bugs
I found is that set cup or cpu master, as well as sd speed increase
tweeks do NOT stick after reboot. Anyone have any ideas on that?
And can people post their quadrant and nenamark2 scores to
show if it is really faster? Thanks

hotstocks said:
I read in Development forums that the new Nitrous rom is
an updated stock rom that is much faster. I have flashed
many roms and kernels in the past and never saw a speed
difference (unless overclocked). Well I tried Nitrous and again
noticed no difference in quadrant or nenamark2 scores (I game).
I flashed the hotspot hack and it did not work, so I flashed
a supposed faster anthrax kernel. Nothing got faster, but now
the hotspot wifi works. So Nitrous is a good looking rom, but
I don't get how everyone is saying it is faster. The only bugs
I found is that set cup or cpu master, as well as sd speed increase
tweeks do NOT stick after reboot. Anyone have any ideas on that?
And can people post their quadrant and nenamark2 scores to
show if it is really faster? Thanks
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Quadrant scores dont really tell you anything and can easily be manipulated, linpack scores are a slightly better judge for performance but still not truly accurate and easily manipulated, your best judge for true performance increase is to use it for several days preferably a week and see how it runs for you
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That's kind of my point. I have tried many roms/kernals and no matter
what speed claims they have, they are all the same (sense based).
I would think that 3d games like Shadowgun, Nova, or Dungeon Hunter
would seem faster/smoother with so called faster roms and kerrnels
like Nitrous/Anthrax, but they are exactly the same speed as Sprint
Stock HTC Evo 4g? All these roms floating around are visually different,
but the speed is exactly the same, so why do devs claim their rom
is faster?

I watched a guy on youtube flashed 119 roms/kernals and said
SavageZen/MUII or something is twice as fast (quadrant), but
the guy lost the ability to mount the phones SD card and 4g!!!
So, my question is:
For the Sprint HTC Evo 4g rooted,
what is THE fastest sense rom/kernel?
Or are they really all the same speed?
Mainly interested in faster gaming, and I do have chainfire installed.
Thanks

Damn Hotstocks at this point I don't think there is anything different anybody can tell you that would really meet your demand... Perhaps maybe you can seek the opinion of notorious XDA Guru "Captain Throwback" and see what he thinks on this matter, this dude forever has a good tip on just about any relevant issue.

Hmm, it would just seem that people around here would
know what is the fastest kernel/rom for full Sprint HTC evo 4g
sense compatibility. Unless I am mistaken, all the sense roms
are the same speed and people are lying when they say they
are faster (Nitrous). I can see how Cyanogen or a senseless rom
could be faster, but all the sense roms I have tried were no faster
than Sprint HTC stock. Maybe a Nitrous user can chime in here.

Hey,
I am not sure what he did to the software of the phone but it appears to me that he didn't tweak the system speed at all but if you noticed transitions are faster and he changed a lot of the animation settings to no dealy so they move faster and gives the Rom the appearance it is faster but the Rom itself has no physical speed changes. That's my two cents anyways
I hope I helped if I did please hit the thanks button
Stevo
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You do realize the evo is almost 2 yrs old and is severely limited in capabilities by its hardware right? No one can answer your question because every evo is different and every user is different what makes my evo fast may make your evo crawl and vice versa, you also have to wait several days after flashing for the rom and kernel to settle in before your really see any performance difference, you cant flash a rom for an hour or 2 and then judge it they HAVE to settle
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-EViL-KoNCEPTz- said:
You do realize the evo is almost 2 yrs old and is severely limited in capabilities by its hardware right? No one can answer your question because every evo is different and every user is different what makes my evo fast may make your evo crawl and vice versa, you also have to wait several days after flashing for the rom and kernel to settle in before your really see any performance difference, you cant flash a rom for an hour or 2 and then judge it they HAVE to settle
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This is pretty much what it is hotstocks, just keep in mind these are just a few factors that may vary results from user to user.

Thanks for the info. I know the hardware is not dual core or the newest.
And I do let the rom settle in for 10 minutes. I don't see any reason why
it would need to settle in for a week, but will use it for a week. And the
statement that my evo will be a different speed than yours makes no sense.
If we both have a Sprint HTC Evo 4g running the same rom and kernel at the
stock 1ghz, they will be both the exact same speed and should quadrant the same.
Obviously if I have a bunch of programs running in the background, that changes, but I am talking about after a fresh clean flash.

hotstocks said:
Thanks for the info. I know the hardware is not dual core or the newest.
And I do let the rom settle in for 10 minutes. I don't see any reason why
it would need to settle in for a week, but will use it for a week. And the
statement that my evo will be a different speed than yours makes no sense.
If we both have a Sprint HTC Evo 4g running the same rom and kernel at the
stock 1ghz, they will be both the exact same speed and should quadrant the same.
Obviously if I have a bunch of programs running in the background, that changes, but I am talking about after a fresh clean flash.
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U obviously need to read some more, there are 3 different hardware versions of the evo 002-004 and all have slightly differnt hardware thus they all act differentlu with different software, it takes much longer than 10 minutes for hardware to adjustbto new software which it why it needs to settle in for several days
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Thanks for the info. My hardware says 0004
Does that mean I have the newest/fastest hardware?

Newest doesnt mean fastest so no it all depends on what they had when it was made they have different logic boards different cameras different screens different brands of memory but all have the same processor just different combos all run differently
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Thanks. I know my phone isn't the latest and greatest.
But I am holding out for the LTE Sprint phones coming this
summer. It would be silly to waste my 2 year upgrade on
a Galaxy SII with wimax, when I will need an LTE phone this
summer. Plus it will probably be a quad core 1920x1080 monster
also. Right now I am just trying to make my phone as fast as
possible. It is overclocked to 1.13ghz, have sd speed increase at 2048.
I thought there would be a SIMPLE answer to which sense rom and
kernel were definately the fastest, but I guess no one can answer
that simple question. I have been working on computers for 30 years,
I can install windows XP, windows vista, and windows 7 on three identical computers, I can also flash old and new bioses to the motherboards,
and I can DEFINATELY then benchmark the same machines with different bios (rom) and kernel (windows version), and tell you what is the fastest. I fail to
see why this is so difficult to do with a smartphone like the evo 4g. I would think that the rom/kernel with the highest quadrant (graphics) score and highest Nenamark2 score would be the fastest rom/kernel. Games or 3d graphics is where the phone runs into a bottleneck.

not all evo's are created equal bud, that's just how it is

Every computer, phone, tablet, game console, router, etc. is going to have significant performance variances at an individual device level. Even ones that are identically configured, running the same OS, software, firmware, drivers, etc. A 20+ year career as a network engineer showed me that, and nothing has changed in that regard with more modern electronics.
I'm running the Nitrous ROM as my daily driver so I'm rather familiar with it, and I really don't see how you can claim that anyone lied to you. The ROM has simply been tweaked to speed up the UI, transitions, and a few other things. Read the first section of the OP for that thread -- it clearly states what has been improved. Nowhere in there does it claim overclocking or anything that would improve phone gaming. The improvements related to data/Wi-Fi have quite a few other factors at play, including the base level variances between devices that I mentioned in the first paragraph. I haven't really noticed an improvement in Wi-Fi, but have noticed an improvement in 3G.
All that said, the ROM is visibly faster and "prettier" (which usually don't come together in one package) on my EVO 4G than any other Sense ROM I've put on it. You need to read/understand what the dev did and not let your expectations get so out of whack. If you want better game performance, you're simply going to have to get a better phone. For its time, the EVO 4G was an absolute BEAST. Now? There are quite a few better phones.

Thanks, and I agree. The evo can still play almost any game on the market (not gta III) with acceptable performance. Nitrous is a nice looking rom, my 3g is same speed. I am using it as my daily, but it is misleading that it is claiming to be faster than stock, it is the same. I also seem to have a problem with sd speed not sticking between reboots, even though I have checked it. Same with CPU master free (set cpu) settings not sticking thru reboot. I also think the live wallpaper wasn't sticking thru reboot, but that was on 1.2.7, haven't tried it on 1.3.1., just wastes battery.

hotstocks said:
Nitrous is a nice looking rom, my 3g is same speed. I am using it as my daily, but it is misleading that it is claiming to be faster than stock, it is the same.
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We'll just have to disagree on that one, because overall it's a much faster ROM for me. However, I use my phone as just a smartphone (multimedia, light browsing, email, texting, etc.) where the Nitrous tweaks would be more obvious and beneficial, and then use my Acer tablet far more for gaming.
I think you should just pick a Sense or AOSP ROM that you like and is well supported, and then focus your efforts on various kernels and trying out their options/settings to try to get the most out of your "old" hardware while you wait to get a new phone.

Thanks, I actually did that and it is how I found Nitrous.
I think it is the best sense rom right now, but it has a few
little bugs. I can't post yet in the dev forum for Nitrous,
but the live wallpapers definately do not stick with reboot,
goes back to Nitrous default wallpaper. Other than that
I am pretty happy with Nitrous and Anthrax kernel (for oc
and wireless tether). Real stable. I was just saying that
when the dev says it is much speedier, and his lock screen
says "Nitrous Oxide System", I expect to see a noticable
speed increase. If you put Nitrous Oxide into a Corvette or
Mustang, it doesn't just get get 1% faster, it gets 25% faster!
With Nitrous you REALLY should notice the speed difference.

Yo Hotstocks I'll give you credit for sticking to what you feel son LOL I'm shock you still debating in this thread however if it's ok with you let me give you a little tip since I noticed you might be a little excited to comment on the Dev once you get more than 10 post... Be very gentle with what you say over there because these people spend a lot of time and effort behind what they do for somebody to come and talk smack about their work... Chances are they'll rip you a new one if you cross the line... Just saying son don't take it to the heart either.

Can the GN ever be as smooth as an iPhone 4S?

Alright, you're gonna be mad about the topic but I'm being honest here.
I never had a nexus phone and I was hoping that if I got a Galaxy Nexus, the phone wouldn't stutter (in browser and in apps) and it does. On websites the stuttering when scrolling is annoying. The phone is fast (home screen, app drawer, settings) but a lot of apps are jittery and not fluid.
I'm running AOKP Milestone 4 with Lean Kernel v2.4.
So my question is, is it possible to get the Galaxy Nexus to be as smooth as an iPhone? Some reasons would be good because there's no doubting the 4s is very fluid with rare if any hiccups.
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what apps...all mine are as smooth as the iphone.

AOKP is the king of extra features, but if you want smooth you should try Peter Alfonso's Bugless Beast.

The selling point if the iphone 4s is Suri.
My buddy tried to show it off and it didn't work at all.
He was really embarrassed.. It screwed up everything.
I showed him my nexus, and then I proceeded to pull 15 down 13 up in a speed test.
Boy was he jealous of my Nexus.

If all you care about is smooth scrolling, use the stock firmware. It's smoother than most ROMs, but lacks many features in the custom ROMs.
Don't forget, you're running a beta version of community created code. We don't have as much access to the hardware as the original designers, and can't optimize things as easily.
Whinging about it not being as smooth as an iPhone when you're running user created firmware is like complaining that the shelves you built yourself aren't as nice as the ones that your friend paid a professional carpenter to create.
AOKP runs great for most people, myself included, but there are tradeoffs for the extra features.

also, one more thing you gotta take into consideration is that aokp is more for customization. you want more of a rom that works only on stability. i havnt tried m4, but i do know that bamf is amazingly smooth. and alsooo when was the last time you saw the 4s? sure you can slide smoothly but doesnt it matter much more how quick you can load the page? try a diff browser also... mines working perfectly on google chrome and stock.

RobbieCrash said:
If all you care about is smooth scrolling, use the stock firmware. It's smoother than most ROMs, but lacks many features in the custom ROMs.
Don't forget, you're running a beta version of community created code. We don't have as much access to the hardware as the original designers, and can't optimize things as easily.
Whinging about it not being as smooth as an iPhone when you're running user created firmware is like complaining that the shelves you built yourself aren't as nice as the ones that your friend paid a professional carpenter to create.
AOKP runs great for most people, myself included, but there are tradeoffs for the extra features.
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That's a poor analogy. The ROM devs are not building these ROMs from scratch, they are making relatively small changes to the code provided by Google. A better analogy would be assembling an office desk from IKEA (store that sells put-it-together-yourself furniture for you non-U.S. folk) vs having a carpenter friend put it together. Sure your friend might drill a hold here or there to make the fit better, but he isn't carving the shelf out of lumber.

-- also, one more thing you gotta take into consideration is that aokp is more for customization. you want more of a rom that works only on stability. i havnt tried m4, but i do know that bamf is amazingly smooth. and alsooo when was the last time you saw the 4s? sure you can slide smoothly but doesnt it matter much more how quick you can load the page? try a diff browser also... mines working perfectly on google chrome and stock. --
stock browser and chrome are jerky but the stock browser is a little better
Stock software was slow for me too, worse than AOKP M4
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-- what apps...all mine are as smooth as the iphone. --
XDA, web browser, maps
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-- AOKP is the king of extra features, but if you want smooth you should try Peter Alfonso's Bugless Beast. --
Ok I'll try bugless beast ans see if it helps
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android will never be as smooth as the iphone, its running a dalvik client

Do iPhone users just get Android phones and swipe and down all day to see how fluid it moves. You guys know there is much more to the phone then just scrolling pages up and down, right?
You also realize the device is pushing a higher resolution then an iPhone as well so a lot more pixels are in play.
Seriously, even if the GN scrolled smoother then it already does, I don't think I would really give a sh.t......It would not change my experience in the least.

BlackDino said:
android will never be as smooth as the iphone, its running a dalvik client
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Not to mention iPhone 4S GPU absolutely blows away any other mobile GPU on the market, and on top of that pushes fewer pixels.
iPhone 4S is a graphical beast.

Have you turned on Hardware Acceleration in the Settings?

qtx said:
Have you turned on Hardware Acceleration in the Settings?
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Yes, it's turned on

matt2053 said:
Not to mention iPhone 4S GPU absolutely blows away any other mobile GPU on the market, and on top of that pushes fewer pixels.
iPhone 4S is a graphical beast.
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The iPhone 4 is smooth as well and the GPU isn't as good as the iPhone 4S

[email protected] said:
Do iPhone users just get Android phones and swipe and down all day to see how fluid it moves. You guys know there is much more to the phone then just scrolling pages up and down, right?
You also realize the device is pushing a higher resolution then an iPhone as well so a lot more pixels are in play.
Seriously, even if the GN scrolled smoother then it already does, I don't think I would really give a sh.t......It would not change my experience in the least.
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Jerky scrolling is annoying (in the browser and in XDA app)...it's as if the frame rate is running at 20fps as opposed to 60fps

BlackDino said:
android will never be as smooth as the iphone, its running a dalvik client
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If that's true then that sucks.

crossover37 said:
If that's true then that sucks.
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of course its true, everything is in java

and of course don't forget about the fact that Android handles the UI in a different way compared to iOS (the UI isn't prioritised or something along those lines).

HOX on fire?

Can anyone confirm there HOX hasnt set on fire? Just kidding - I started this thread because I want to know if other user experiences on different Roms are the same as mine.
Firstly / CyanogenMod base roms - super fast lag free but for me super hot cpu and massive battery drain. I mean massive, not usable prob 8-10 hrs if you dont use. 4-5hrs if you turn the screen on for 30-40 minutes and when you do the cpu gets hot, really hot. 75 degree Celsius. Battery hot as well. My experience is based on paranoid android and it tends to get hot while charging as well. I do not think heat is a very good compatriot to your hardware.
JB Sense roms - cool battery & great endurance times. Havent had to check on cpu temp because all great in this department, BUT not without problems in other area's. "Laggy", not any improvement from ics if anything worse. Leedroid was better than the current sense base rom i have now. But InsertCoin JB out dose ICS in the battery life. Wifi hogging which there is now a supposable fix with the latest firmware update. But it doesn't take much reading within the JB forums to find new sets of problems with the new firmware update. Which brings me to my conclusion.
Trade offs - all in all when you take into account the hassle of firmware updates that resolve one problem but bring another and the list of differences between JB sense base and CyanogenMod base roms, for me there always seems to be this trade off. There's sacrifices and consequences to both sides of the fence. IF only the developers could merge these two different bases we would have a wonderful android experience. At the moment I am finding this all to be too much work. The constant updates, full-wipes, re-flashing, trials and more trials all adds up to a lot of time and effort and is only going to drive me away from the beautiful, lovely HOX. I have the nexus 7 which does not give me all the work. You try the roms of choice and are able to live with it. Now I am thinking the nexus 4 is the way to go.
I cannot write code and know nothing about developing and I know the developers answer to all this is the hboot firmware and htc as the problem. But I question you this if you are a developer listening. Why is there a fence between CyanogenMod and Sense when both of you are using the same firmware? If one of you brought the two together you would make a killing.:highfive:
Off subject - what does Member - OP mean. On Probation.

cm10 runs great for me, but it would be nice if the compass worked
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seltheair said:
cm10 runs great for me, but it would be nice if the compass worked
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Yes another trade off. I cannot live without sense camera and descent weather app.

HTC kernels have the best battery life, so until the HTC JB kernel source code is released, AOSP based ROMs will likely have worse battery life.
As much as everybody likes to deride HTC coders, they actually do a pretty good job. You may also find that the AOSP governors are geared more for performance than battery life, and changing the governor might help.
Ultimately battery life and performance IS the trade-off. Of course, pure optimisations are always possible, but often it's just moving the trade-off point.

BenPope said:
HTC kernels have the best battery life, so until the HTC JB kernel source code is released, AOSP based ROMs will likely have worse battery life.
As much as everybody likes to deride HTC coders, they actually do a pretty good job. You may also find that the AOSP governors are geared more for performance than battery life, and changing the governor might help.
Ultimately battery life and performance IS the trade-off. Of course, pure optimisations are always possible, but often it's just moving the trade-off point.
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Thanks for your explanation. It goes a long way in helping understand, especially the point moving the trade off point.
I know the developers are very skilled and I am not clever enough to deride them. But from a consumers point of view, unless you buy a fully unlocked device you are in for a long sometimes arduous learning curb especially if you unlock your device in preparation for using these custom Roms.
I among st my friends was the first to discover this world of android. Cant remember the htc phone it was on at the time, it was a bit sluggish. But immediately I new it was a winner. Soon as google linked there name to a phone i knew it was time to jump on board with the nexus one. I think there may have been 5-10,000 apps.
Hell a lot of people if not most cannot afford the time or energy to learn. I have found it fascinating but also have now realized how much time android consumes. To much.
My opinion for what its worth, can only see this not getting any better. And unless one jumps back into the nexus range, windows is looking like the better deal. Windows is sure to gain market share and along with it comes all the apps. Almost guaranteed with windows and its structures will see far less aggravation and things will just work and at speed. There wont be these trade offs. Android needs to pull it together and change strategy fast because on the present cause that big lump Steve Balmer was right. Android is just darn to complicated for most users.
Its not complicated and its fun but im sad to say, there comes a time when there is no time and you are going to want something that just works and it still isn't Apple.
Androids future should be getting rid of these trade offs. 75-80 degree Celsius should not exist as a trade off for performance and please don't say try another kernel.
Change course- make things just work! Stop these half baked Roms. Give us the real thing. I would be happy to pay for that......

veroby said:
Thanks for your explanation. It goes a long way in helping understand, especially the point moving the trade off point.
I know the developers are very skilled and I am not clever enough to deride them. But from a consumers point of view, unless you buy a fully unlocked device you are in for a long sometimes arduous learning curb especially if you unlock your device in preparation for using these custom Roms.
I among st my friends was the first to discover this world of android. Cant remember the htc phone it was on at the time, it was a bit sluggish. But immediately I new it was a winner. Soon as google linked there name to a phone i knew it was time to jump on board with the nexus one. I think there may have been 5-10,000 apps.
Hell a lot of people if not most cannot afford the time or energy to learn. I have found it fascinating but also have now realized how much time android consumes. To much.
My opinion for what its worth, can only see this not getting any better. And unless one jumps back into the nexus range, windows is looking like the better deal. Windows is sure to gain market share and along with it comes all the apps. Almost guaranteed with windows and its structures will see far less aggravation and things will just work and at speed. There wont be these trade offs. Android needs to pull it together and change strategy fast because on the present cause that big lump Steve Balmer was right. Android is just darn to complicated for most users.
Its not complicated and its fun but im sad to say, there comes a time when there is no time and you are going to want something that just works and it still isn't Apple.
Androids future should be getting rid of these trade offs. 75-80 degree Celsius should not exist as a trade off for performance and please don't say try another kernel.
Change course- make things just work! Stop these half baked Roms. Give us the real thing. I would be happy to pay for that......
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When I first got my HOX (I had it pre ordered) and I unlocked and tried my first ROM, viper X or leedroid I think (can't remember) , since then and the available roms now, there is a HUGE improvement. Just the fact that I can install another OS on my phone is awesome...Give it time and there will be perfect Roms. But that said, any software, there are bound to be some bugs.... Yes it is time consuming testing different roms but you can generally find out from the forum if its worth the effort before downloading and flashing...
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shinigamikris said:
When I first got my HOX (I had it pre ordered) and I unlocked and tried my first ROM, viper X or leedroid I think (can't remember) , since then and the available roms now, there is a HUGE improvement. Just the fact that I can install another OS on my phone is awesome...Give it time and there will be perfect Roms. But that said, any software, there are bound to be some bugs.... Yes it is time consuming testing different roms but you can generally find out from the forum if its worth the effort before downloading and flashing...
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Are you saying you have experienced some of the bugs. Would be nice to know which one's. I love and enjoy my hox as well but there comes a point with time. You obviously have lots of. My prediction is windows is coming and rather than taking a huge bite of Apple it will be at androids expense. These Roms are to buggy.