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I'm getting reports that it's lagging on the Evos, but I assume they run stock. Has anyone gotten a chance to play this game on ur overclocked Evos? I don't wanna drop $$$ if it'll be choppy as hell.
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I'm getting reports that it's lagging on the Evos, but I assume they run stock. Has anyone gotten a chance to play this game on ur overclocked Evos? I don't wanna drop $$$ if it'll be choppy as hell.
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They didn't really optimize it imo. I bought it on my bros evo. The framerate sucks. Mainly because of the gpu. And lack of optimization. Looked like they focused more on sgx gpus. Although the g2 and mt4g can run it. Mainly because of the newer gpu.
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That really blows... was looking forward to this game but with the 15 minute refund crap I'm not even going to try it.
I've been playing it on CM, and it runs fine for me so far. It's show loading levels, but seems to play just fine.
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You can change the graphical settings thru the slider. I moved it to the middle and now it's really smooth. I set my CPU to 1113mhz, but i'm gonna try stock speeds for comparison.
It's not too bad. Tolerable, but not great. What I can see from my general observation, the environment (levels, 3D objects) are fast. UI slows it down. Shows when you try to do something, background 3D stuff is fast, but UI framerate is bad. Once you are done managing your character, and start playing, you should be ok.
Also, 3 bucks is not that much money. I dropped it anyway, thinking that even if it's bad on Evo, it may give developers incentive to work on updates.
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That really blows... was looking forward to this game but with the 15 minute refund crap I'm not even going to try it.
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The developer posted this on Engadget
We agree, it's possible to request a refund via google checkout and we've been refunding everyone that's asked through the proper channels!
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For $3, I don't think I would refund. I would expect a lil more optimizations. Id definitely save this game when I get a new phone tho.
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Tried it out on my EVO and its seemed to run fine. I am overclocked to 1152 so I'm sure that helps. Its was a little slow accessing some of the menus but overall the game seemed to play fine..
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Tried it out on my EVO and its seemed to run fine. I am overclocked to 1152 so I'm sure that helps. Its was a little slow accessing some of the menus but overall the game seemed to play fine..
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You can't overclock the GPU so overclocking the CPU helped very little or not at all. Just a FYI.
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I have a stock evo. It runs terribly. Especially when you get a few turrets up around you. Definitely not worth the DL at this time, although i do belive it is an awesome game. Way too laggy to enjoy. Either wait for PC version (which should be nothing short of amazing) or wait til they make improvments on android (hopefully).
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I have a stock evo. It runs terribly. Especially when you get a few turrets up around you. Definitely not worth the DL at this time, although i do belive it is an awesome game. Way too laggy to enjoy. Either wait for PC version (which should be nothing short of amazing) or wait til they make improvments on android (hopefully).
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They better make improvements for Android... runs flawlessly on iOS.
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They better make improvements for Android... runs flawlessly on iOS.
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you have to remember that when developing for iOS they know exactly what hardware everyone is running it on. The problem with developing for Android is that there are sooooo many different phones with different hardware out there. That's the one thing that iphones have going for them: no individuality, everyone has the same thing...
The devs at Trendy Ent. forums said they plan to optimize HTC based phones in future patches. It includes Desire, EVO, Incredible..etc. They aren't sure how much better it'll be, but they're working on it. Also, if anyone here knows any tweaks for the Evo plz share.
Just bought it on Market yesterday, and runs really crappy on my EVO lol. I hope that they will optimize it soon (considering it's suposed to run on unreal tech and how versatile that is on pc no mather what gpu u have).
Also needs lots of ram and i'm having a hard time getting those 256free mb for it xD
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They better make improvements for Android... runs flawlessly on iOS.
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They said that's because iOS uses less RAM than the Android OS.
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The devs at Trendy Ent. forums said they plan to optimize HTC based phones in future patches. It includes Desire, EVO, Incredible..etc. They aren't sure how much better it'll be, but they're working on it. Also, if anyone here knows any tweaks for the Evo plz share.
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That's the exact opposite of what they told me on Twitter, but one can hope, right?
(They said don't expect it to ever run right on the EVO, as it is not an officially supported platform.)
Actually, Gingerbread WILL bring improvements to this game and others.
There was a website (Frandroid?) that did 3d benchmarks of the Evo Froyo and Gingerbread. All the tests had a 2-16fps increase... which can make or break a game.
So let's hope it all works out.
Also, the NDK (Native Development Kit) is going to be updated. Games like Exzeus Arcade, which is VERY graphically intensive, were made by the NDK and run SMOOTHLY on the Evo/N1/Incredible/Desire.
All of this should be signs that us Evo users are going to get some support.
And supposedly HTC is updating N1 gpu drivers... which are the same for the Evo technically cause they have the same processor/GPU (Snapdragon/Adreno 200).
Anyway, we'll see. I'm about to run this on Myn's. I'll report back in a minute.
thanks for sharing the info! now it's gotten me super excited for CM7
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That's the exact opposite of what they told me on Twitter, but one can hope, right?
(They said don't expect it to ever run right on the EVO, as it is not an officially supported platform.)
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This is what the dev said on the forum: Quote Originally Posted by kimzplaze View Post
Thanks! Will it be more optimised for HTC Desire? =)
Yes all of the HTC phones, including the Desire, could benefit from optimization, and it's something that we'll be trying to do in the upcoming major content patches in January and beyond. Don't yet know how much performance we gain yet gain from them, but we'll get some degree of benefits.
-Jeremy
That came from a 65 page thread of disappointed HTC users (not so much galaxy s). Hope the dev keeps his word.
So I was wondering if anyone could lie out a few points of the differences or advantages between these 2 versions?
I've noticed a lot of GB ROM's are slower and a bit more "heavy" but that may just be due to them just coming out and still having a lot of work to be done with them to optimize them for speed and battery life.
As of now I'm perfectly happy with Froyo and see no reason to switch, but still would like to know what advantages Gingerbread brings to the table.
You need to try cm7.
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With Gingerbread your screen has that awesome on/off animation.
I know gingerbread is supposed to have built-in VOIP calling with Google Voice. Does that work with CM7? If that did, I could totally reduce my calling plan!
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With Gingerbread your screen has that awesome on/off animation.
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and that's it? Lol
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and that's it? Lol
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hah agreed, I guess there isn't a whole lot significant about the gingerbread release, I may be sticking with Froyo for a while if that's the case.
Also I've actually tried out CM7 before (several weeks ago) when it was very first released.
The screen on/off was pretty cool for the first day or so, but it started to bug me after a while and I kinda wished there was a way to disable it.
The VOIP calling with google voice has been available on the incredible for a while now, or at least I thought it had been. I never used it because of what a pain it is to switch back off of google voice, not to mention you are required to have a 3G connection or else you're out of luck and your phone is useless.
There are a lot of optimizations made to the whole android framework form what I gathered reading the android dev blog. They were targetting UI responsiveness which is definitely an issue in android as compared to iOS. I know that all of that is definitely better from my brief play with CM7 but I think it still has a long way to go to be as good as I want it to be. I also kind of like the orange glow that appears when you scroll lists, its a subtle but nice improvement.
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hah agreed, I guess there isn't a whole lot significant about the gingerbread release, I may be sticking with Froyo for a while if that's the case.
Also I've actually tried out CM7 before (several weeks ago) when it was very first released.
The screen on/off was pretty cool for the first day or so, but it started to bug me after a while and I kinda wished there was a way to disable it.
The VOIP calling with google voice has been available on the incredible for a while now, or at least I thought it had been. I never used it because of what a pain it is to switch back off of google voice, not to mention you are required to have a 3G connection or else you're out of luck and your phone is useless.
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I'm not sure how GB roms could feel heavier/slower, especially with CM7. I'd agree with you if you were talking about sense because its a bit bloated.
I'd suggest try CM7 again, RC2 with Chad's latest 37.2 kernel. Give it time to sync up with Google then play around with it. I'm sure you wont be disappointed. Unless you are a super sense fan
P.S. you can turn off the screen animation in CM settings. In the display menu.
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GB is more efficient. I haven't heard that it is slower from anyone except you.
To me Gingerbread tastes better than Froyo
Ill second that
lehalter said:
GB is more efficient. I haven't heard that it is slower from anyone except you.
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Alright I guess I'll be giving CM7 another go, cheers for the feedback.
Only reason why I haven't tried CM7 is no 720p recording, not complaining just stating. Maybe im being a stickler but I like to have all options on the roms I run.
I honestly have noticed any differences in speed or responsiveness. I have tried a few gingerbread roms not sure if its because they are in early stages or not, but so far it doesn't live up to the hype in my book.
If I am posting this, I'm probably pooping.
Is it just me or does CM7 have crazy good sound quality. And the bass is extremely good as well, used dsp manager to boost base and it sounds as close as I have heard to bose (but still not as good as the great bose)
There are some small things that have bothered me with Gingerbread... for example I miss the sense Camera.apk, and of course 720p. But I went back to things such as Sense and MIUI, and I couldn't last 24 hours on them. I was originally between Evervolv and OMGB... then I stuck with OMFGB. CM7 RC2.5 is what I'm running now, and may I say it's pretty amazing. But I am gonna have to try out the new OMGB 1.1.0 build tomorrow though
I guess it's just the overall feel of Gingerbread. Oh, and optimization and web browsing is quite a bit faster I have noticed.'
My $0.02 worth.
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Is it just me or does CM7 have crazy good sound quality. And the bass is extremely good as well, used dsp manager to boost base and it sounds as close as I have heard to bose (but still not as good as the great bose)
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Are you saying the built in phone speaker sounds like BOSE? That I would believe
Anyway is the sound quality via BT and headphone jack actually better? This would be something that might interest me.
I found CM7 to work very well, even better than SkyRaider IMHO, however I LOVE what JuiceDefender does for my battery - and it's not compatible with Gingerbread. As soon as that is released, I will have a semi-tough descision to make.
Scott
Just switched to CM7 from warm Z and loving it (Pandora sounded like garbage). Very responsive to say the least, GB seems to be quite a treat.
BT tends to leave out a lot of bass, but you can help correct it by using DSP manager.
The kernel plays a bit part in this area as well, chad's incredikernel has some audio boosts (especially for the earpiece) that I like. I know the stock earpiece volume was formerly way too low in crowds or even moderately loud situations.
Anybody know where our how I can do a lag fix on my Evo ?
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Anybody know where our how I can do a lag fix on my Evo ?
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I don't have any lag on my Evo at all, unless my phone doesn't like a particular kernel. When everything is dialed in, it runs smooth and quick, on sense or AOSP. I would tend to think that there is a reason you're getting lag. Can you be more specific? Does everything lag, or is it just certain apps? Have you tried wiping everything and reflashing whatever ROM you're using? Or at least just wiping cache and dalvik cache then trying out a different kernel?
Awhile ago I used to have a samsung galaxy s that I did a lag fix on and it really made fast faster. My phone its pretty fast I was just kinda wondering? I am using Koni Elite 2 and pretty impressed, but MikFroyo is my favorite rom so far. I'm pretty new to this..
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Awhile ago I used to have a samsung galaxy s that I did a lag fix on and it really made fast faster. My phone its pretty fast I was just kinda wondering? I am using Koni Elite 2 and pretty impressed, but MikFroyo is my favorite rom so far. I'm pretty new to this..
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Gotchya. I was just looking around a Samsung Fascinate forum the other day, prepping to root my buddies phone. I saw all sorts of strange talk of lag fix, voodoo kernels, Odin's, clockwork red, clockwork blue, clockwork green, D109's and DJ05's, haha. All sorts of stuff that I'm not used to seeing over here on the Evo forum. I felt like a total noob reading through it all at first. Anyways, there's no specific 'lag fix' that I'm aware of for the Evo. Like I said, differnt kernels can drastically affect the way the phone runs. another thing that can sometimes potentially make the phone laggy is the 1.90 pri. Some phones don't like that pri (mine included) and the 1.77 pri works much better. Others report the oppositte. But, basically, you're phone shouldn't really have any lag when everything is working properly, at least in my experience. So if you are getting any drastic lag, I'd try making some changes.
It's not my phone it's me..I'm running out of things to do, and always trying to make fast faster! I just want the page opened and ready before I even hit the button...
Lol...
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If you really wasn't to see your phone fly, install CM 6.1.2 along with the 7.6 Snap Turbo kernel. There is a whole thread here to help you out. I get quadrant scores near 2600 with that setup. Only downside, no 4g.
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I remember absolutely needing a lag fix on my vibrant, I hated it. I fell the evo is pretty damn fast. That and the gps problem is why I ditched samsung for htc. The samoled screen wasnt nice enough when functionality was ****. Im using azrael 4.0 rom with launcher pro and my evo is pretty zippy
Now I cant side scroll on my wallpapers anymore after receiving the update from sprint last night.
That's correct. The previous official GB release for the original epic features wallpaper scrolling. The newer updated GB official release locks the wallpaper scrolling.
Wonder if it's more changes because of copyright.
.: sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch :.
Copyright?
Whatever, scrolling wallpaper sucks anyway...besides, they never got it perfectly smooth. Not on any launcher on any phone with or without hardware acceleration. It's been "smooth", "smooth ish" and "smooth enough" but they never ever nailed it...and let's not even get into performance with live wallpapers.
I'm not here to argue, I'm just here to vent. I've tweaked everything in the world, overclocked everything in the world etc etc etc so unless you really have an actual 100% solution that has somehow evaded me I'll just apologize up front for being so inflammatory.
...though there is an exception to all of that: NS4G
timo2387 said:
Now I cant side scroll on my wallpapers anymore after receiving the update from sprint last night.
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it was broken in the el26 and el29 leaks also. wait for a dev to get their hands on it to fix it. calk is really good at that, it's fixed in his roms and most roms based off of his build.
I'm running el29 blazer and it's there
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Copyright?
Whatever, scrolling wallpaper sucks anyway...besides, they never got it perfectly smooth. Not on any launcher on any phone with or without hardware acceleration. It's been "smooth", "smooth ish" and "smooth enough" but they never ever nailed it...and let's not even get into performance with live wallpapers.
I'm not here to argue, I'm just here to vent. I've tweaked everything in the world, overclocked everything in the world etc etc etc so unless you really have an actual 100% solution that has somehow evaded me I'll just apologize up front for being so inflammatory.
...though there is an exception to all of that: NS4G
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Yes copyright, the exact reason for the design difference from euro, and software differences in recent updates.
Wall paper scrolling is smooth a butter on original epic I've found.
Even seems hardware accelerated scrolling end of home screen (screen 7) to beginning (screen 1)
But this wallpaper scrolling altogether seems nixed, not broken, since both epic devices are without this feature.
.: sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch :.
Ok I fixed it on mine. Replace the Gallery3d.apk in the system app folder with this one.
Note : this is for deodexed only.
hayabusa1300cc said:
That's correct. The previous official GB release for the original epic features wallpaper scrolling. The newer updated GB official release locks the wallpaper scrolling.
Wonder if it's more changes because of copyright.
.: sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch :.
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Copyright, or patent? Very different things. And what patent would they be infringing, considering Android was doing wallpaper scrolling before the iPhone had wallpaper? I don't buy this as the reason.
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Copyright, or patent? Very different things. And what patent would they be infringing, considering Android was doing wallpaper scrolling before the iPhone had wallpaper? I don't buy this as the reason.
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Oh yeah my bad I meant patent. Got caught up in PIPA and SOPA.
But that was my best guess tho.
Makes no sense why they would remove such a thing.. luckily we live on XDA
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Ok I fixed it on mine. Replace the Gallery3d.apk in the system app folder with this one.
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Darn, that didn't work at all for me. Replaced with root explorer, rebooted, no effect.
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Ok I fixed it on mine. Replace the Gallery3d.apk in the system app folder with this one.
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This works perfectly. Gallery even seems a bit faster.
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Darn, that didn't work at all for me. Replaced with root explorer, rebooted, no effect.
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Did you move the old Gallery3D.apk? Did you get a prompt to overwrite?
Yeah, I overwrote the old gallery3d. Maybe I got the permissions messed up. Maybe I'll try again later. No big deal, just wanted to try it out on my nandroid of the EL29 leak. I nandroid'ed back to CalKulin's rom.
This doesn't make any sense to me that a patent would have anything to do with scrolling.that's been a feature of Android since day 1. I think it's an oversight.
Why do patents have to make sense? They are too overloaded at the patent office and after some basic inspection, issue the patent, and then defer to the litigation process to figure out if something is a really a valid patent or not.
Just because one person in the thread says "maybe it's a patent issue" doesn't mean it's actually a patent issue. Let's not just jump on the bandwagon. There's no logic to that being the cause. Isn't it entirely possible it's a bug nobody noticed?
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Just because one person in the thread says "maybe it's a patent issue" doesn't mean it's actually a patent issue. Let's not just jump on the bandwagon. There's no logic to that being the cause. Isn't it entirely possible it's a bug nobody noticed?
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I don't think it's a patent issue. I think it's, primarily, an implementation issue. Except in the rarest of circumstances it hasn't been perfect...and most of the time it hasn't been pretty. (those rare circumstances being the NS4G, as I have seen and the OG Epic as someone else has claimed...both the identical hardware platform...likely not a coincidence)....and Android isn't really set up to be the lowest-latency system, from the ground up.
Lately it's been driving me freaking crazy as the faster and faster phone I get the more I notice it. As the phone gets smoother and smoother and faster and faster the more obvious the latency problem is. Due to my 10+ years of digital audio production involvement (especially recording) I can "sense" as low as 10ms of latency....and we are nowhere near that low. I can't tell you what latency we are dealing with, but, 30-50ms doesn't seem unreasonable....for some that may be fast enough, but, it won't be "fast enough" until we are sub-10ms...preferably less than 5ms....0ms is impossible without a paradigm shift in digital computing...one that I can't even imagine or conceptualize.
I really wish they would work on this latency issue and getting screen refresh over 60hz reliably and consistently...That would work wonders for the perceived "smoothness" and "snappiness" of Android...cuz it's driving me freakin' nuts.
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Copyright?
Whatever, scrolling wallpaper sucks anyway...besides, they never got it perfectly smooth. Not on any launcher on any phone with or without hardware acceleration. It's been "smooth", "smooth ish" and "smooth enough" but they never ever nailed it...and let's not even get into performance with live wallpapers.
I'm not here to argue, I'm just here to vent. I've tweaked everything in the world, overclocked everything in the world etc etc etc so unless you really have an actual 100% solution that has somehow evaded me I'll just apologize up front for being so inflammatory.
...though there is an exception to all of that: NS4G
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What have you been smoking. When I was stock (and still now) ANY live wallpaper doesn't slow down the stock launcher at all. This is the first android phone I've had that has no lags. Ever.....
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Ok I fixed it on mine. Replace the Gallery3d.apk in the system app folder with this one.
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Is this from/for a deodex'd EL29 by chance?
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What have you been smoking. When I was stock (and still now) ANY live wallpaper doesn't slow down the stock launcher at all. This is the first android phone I've had that has no lags. Ever.....
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I wish that I could agree with you. The stock launcher is definitely the smoothest way to use a live wallpaper....but it still slowed things down noticeably and then your density is stuck at 240, which is simply comical IMHO.
Has anyone pulled TWlauncher.apk off of a galaxy note and tweaked density to match it? I always figured that would be our way out of being stuck at 240 or going with a non hardware accelerated launcher until ICS and ICS tuned launchers.
Hopefully this helps
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Now I cant side scroll on my wallpapers anymore after receiving the update from sprint last night.
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With a custom ROM, this will work just fine. I initially had issues out of the box, and had to find a stock rom in order to get my phone working correctly with the ek02 modem. Anyways, following the threads from sfhub (my favorite poster), you can get the stock EL29 with or without data loss, then use auto root to install cwm, and flash a ROM. I currently use the new EL29 Blazer ROM, and it is amazing. I would give it a try. In the few short weeks of owning my epic 4g touch, switching from a jailbroken iphone, I have learned a lot.
Links of interest for this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342728
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1433101
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21917186
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I don't think it's a patent issue. I think it's, primarily, an implementation issue. Except in the rarest of circumstances it hasn't been perfect...and most of the time it hasn't been pretty. (those rare circumstances being the NS4G, as I have seen and the OG Epic as someone else has claimed...both the identical hardware platform...likely not a coincidence)....and Android isn't really set up to be the lowest-latency system, from the ground up.
Lately it's been driving me freaking crazy as the faster and faster phone I get the more I notice it. As the phone gets smoother and smoother and faster and faster the more obvious the latency problem is. Due to my 10+ years of digital audio production involvement (especially recording) I can "sense" as low as 10ms of latency....and we are nowhere near that low. I can't tell you what latency we are dealing with, but, 30-50ms doesn't seem unreasonable....for some that may be fast enough, but, it won't be "fast enough" until we are sub-10ms...preferably less than 5ms....0ms is impossible without a paradigm shift in digital computing...one that I can't even imagine or conceptualize.
I really wish they would work on this latency issue and getting screen refresh over 60hz reliably and consistently...That would work wonders for the perceived "smoothness" and "snappiness" of Android...cuz it's driving me freakin' nuts.
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You must have very sensitive eyes, because the scrolling wallpaper doesn't seem to affect smoothness at all, and I suspect to the majority of others who use the phone as there have been no complaints about this issue.
Thus I think the removal of the scrolling ability of the wallpaper was more an oversight rather than Samsung removing it on purpose.
Even on a super fast device like this one, Touchwiz is still garbage in terms of fluidity and smoothness compared to Sense. 6
I just switched from HTC One M8, and it was smoother than Touchwiz in almost every respect. Sure, some scenarios are nearly indistinguishable on both devices in terms of smoothness, but some are really bad on Note 4.
For example, whenever something happens in the background that requires storage access, the Note starts to chug.
Do this test on your device. Start updating 5-10 apps in the Play Store, then go and scroll in some other app. You will see immediately that the scrolling becomes jerky and sometimes stops completely for half a second when a new app starts updating. Sense doesn't do that. If you've never played with Sense 6, I suggest you go to a store and check it out - it's completely smooth regardless of what happens in the background.
It's as if Sense can utilize only idle cpu cycles for background processes, so everything remains smooth and fluid at all times, while Note 4 appears to give full real time priority for certain routines of background processes. For a modern flagship devices, this is unacceptable.
I really hope we can get root very soon, so developers can possibly fix this travesty.
How do we get Samsung to care about this? I took their survey from the email I got. I focused on speed and performance. How else can we alert Samsung? That people who care about speed and performance should have a voice?
Touchwiz is sorta like windows vista lmao
I doubt anyone on XDA uses Touchwiz versus Nova and the other choices.
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I doubt anyone on XDA uses Touchwiz versus Nova and the other choices.
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Touchwiz here refers to the entire Android "skin, " not just the launcher. You will have jerky performance of the kind I described in the op with Nova and any other launcher.
I have used Nova for years and the performance blows TW out of the water. No "jerkiness" at all.
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I doubt anyone on XDA uses Touchwiz versus Nova and the other choices.
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Tons of people use the TouchWiz launcher. Nova is nice, and I used it on my g3, but I need the stock widgets that can't be replicated.
OP. I agree to a point. Touchwiz is much more fluid that in the past. It has hiccups, but it's a trade off for feature rich software. It's odd, because the g3 lacked features and lagged worse than any phone I've owned. The m8 is buttery smooth, but it's also boring.
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I have used Nova for years and the performance blows TW out of the water. No "jerkiness" at all.
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You didn't even read what I wrote did you?
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Tons of people use the TouchWiz launcher. Nova is nice, and I used it on my g3, but I need the stock widgets that can't be replicated.
OP. I agree to a point. Touchwiz is much more fluid that in the past. It has hiccups, but it's a trade off for feature rich software. It's odd, because the g3 lacked features and lagged worse than any phone I've owned. The m8 is buttery smooth, but it's also boring.
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I don't think it's a trade off. It feels like there's a fundamental problem with the way the skin is programmed by Samsung.
But I'm not an expert. It would be nice if a developer could chime in.
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You didn't even read what I wrote did you?
I don't think it's a trade off. It feels like there's a fundamental problem with the way the skin is programmed by Samsung.
But I'm not an expert. It would be nice if a developer could chime in.
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You bet... Nova is far less laggy than touchwiz.
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You bet... Nova is far less laggy than touchwiz.
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Please stop derailing the thread. Touchwiz is an android skin, not just the launcher. You can't use Nova while scrolling in a web browser, can you?
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Please stop derailing the thread. Touchwiz is an android skin, not just the launcher. You can't use Nova while scrolling in a web browser, can you?
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LOLOL he is just not getting what you're saying dude... give up on him... the rest of us understand exactly what you mean... cannot wait for root.... hopeful after reading the last few posts of this thread ---> http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-verizon/general/talk-root-t2908919/page18# we may be getting somewhere...
nabbed said:
You didn't even read what I wrote did you?
I don't think it's a trade off. It feels like there's a fundamental problem with the way the skin is programmed by Samsung.
But I'm not an expert. It would be nice if a developer could chime in.
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I'm not an expert either, but it's obvious, at least to me, that the more you cram into an OS..the more it taxes the hardware/software.
It is a tradeoff because everyone who has owned a Samsung device knows it will be this way..so we trade off butter smoothness for software features. Maybe Samsung will figure it out one day, maybe they won't.
HTC was the same way until they stripped Sense down to barebones. While it is nice to scroll on the m8, it is also boring for me to have such a generic feeling device. It's all about preference.
My N4 is very smooth. Especially compared to my G3. Only thing that lags is the recent apps button up, which is a bit disappointing as I use that all the time.
I agree with the issues with tw. Part of it has to do with the work on the Java threads which is why the choreographer process always drops frames which is the jitter. The kernels are also tuned differently and more for stability than anything else.
Rippley05 said:
I'm not an expert either, but it's obvious, at least to me, that the more you cram into an OS..the more it taxes the hardware/software.
It is a tradeoff because everyone who has owned a Samsung device knows it will be this way..so we trade off butter smoothness for software features. Maybe Samsung will figure it out one day, maybe they won't.
HTC was the same way until they stripped Sense down to barebones. While it is nice to scroll on the m8, it is also boring for me to have such a generic feeling device. It's all about preference.
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Since you've made it abundantly clear that the launcher is a separate issue, how is sense boring, not counting the launcher?
Just about every Android Ive ever used gets herky jerky when apps are installing. Thunderbolt, GNex, Note 3, etc.
Samsung should be able to tune the response in things like recent apps though. I was using a DROID RAZR M recently and recent apps pops up instantly on that old thing. The Note 4 takes a good second or three to bring up recent apps depending how many recent apps are in there.
deefster said:
Since you've made it abundantly clear that the launcher is a separate issue, how is sense boring, not counting the launcher?
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Actually. Where did I make it abundantly clear? May want to pay attention to what you read. Wasn't me.
Sense is boring to me. It's generic, doesn't offer a fraction of the software features and customization that samsung/LG offer. That's the tradeoff for being so smooth..and that's what I was talking about. Not the launcher.
I'm enjoying touch wiz. I don't see how u guys don't like it. If u don't like it then just don't buy a Samsung phone.
It's more of a fundamental issue with android in general. Here is an older article, but it explains the issue pretty well.
http://techland.time.com/2011/12/07/is-android-doomed-to-lag-more-than-ios/
Maybe lollipop will change how the UI is rendered , maybe not. But I don't think the lagginess is the sole product of touchwiz. Touchwiz does not modify the deep level coding that controls CPU access prority, ISR behavior, etc. Seems like Samsung is trying to do the best with what they got.
Here is some follow up on the guys original post where google developers comment.
https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z13fzt2wrwaxwjqxc04cdx0jsve5hhl4b04
While I'm not a software engineer, I am an electrical and computer engineer. I quit my full time job and went back to school at 30 because I was tired of not being educated enough to understand the things I had questions about.
It's funny.. the more I learned the more I realized how astonishingly difficult it was/is to build the technology we have today. The amount of engineering that goes into designing today's modern processors is incredible. Now that I am "in the know" with exactly how these things work, it's a lot easier for me to understand the milestones and why things are the way they are (heat dissapation in modern multicore CPUs is one of those things that is hard to solve and even harder to explain to the layman why it's hard to solve, a commanding grasp of quantum physics and modern microscale transistor design theory is needed) and I don't get bothered by it, I realize that it's being worked on and I can identify the subtle improvements and I recognize the significance of those improvements.
The point is, it's easy to "blame" samsung or Google for the stuttering you are experiencing, but it's better to recognize the progress that's being made. The problem is not trivial to solve and to think it is or that "it should have been fixed by now" is really naive.
crazed_z06 said:
Just about every Android Ive ever used gets herky jerky when apps are installing. Thunderbolt, GNex, Note 3, etc.
Samsung should be able to tune the response in things like recent apps though. I was using a DROID RAZR M recently and recent apps pops up instantly on that old thing. The Note 4 takes a good second or three to bring up recent apps depending how many recent apps are in there.
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This is really the thing that bothers me the most. Bringing up recent apps is SO SLOW. There is a huge delay when you press that button. It really makes that feature useless for the stuff I use most, because I can just hit the home button and the app shortcut faster than using recent apps.