[Q] Visual Voicemail (VVM) Backup & Restore: Can it be done and how? - EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

This is a really important question for me since I have many voicemails downloaded to my Evo, and I cannot upgrade my Fresh Evo installation (3.1.0.1) without a full wipe.
There is a similar thread here. However, nobody ever responds, even to say "No, it's just not possible." But since the voicemails are downloaded to the phone, it seems like it must be possible to backup and restore them.
Has anyone succeeded in backing up and restoring visual voicemails? Can anyone provide instructions? I'd really really appreciate if anyone can finally answer this.
(I understand many of you just use Google Voice, but that in itself doesn't allow me to preserve the voicemails I already have.)

If you find out I would also like to know.
ScaryBugThing said:
This is a really important question for me since I have many voicemails downloaded to my Evo, and I cannot upgrade my Fresh Evo installation (3.1.0.1) without a full wipe.
There is a similar thread here. However, nobody ever responds, even to say "No, it's just not possible." But since the voicemails are downloaded to the phone, it seems like it must be possible to backup and restore them.
Has anyone succeeded in backing up and restoring visual voicemails? Can anyone provide instructions? I'd really really appreciate if anyone can finally answer this.
(I understand many of you just use Google Voice, but that in itself doesn't allow me to preserve the voicemails I already have.)
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ScaryBugThing said:
This is a really important question for me since I have many voicemails downloaded to my Evo, and I cannot upgrade my Fresh Evo installation (3.1.0.1) without a full wipe.
There is a similar thread here. However, nobody ever responds, even to say "No, it's just not possible." But since the voicemails are downloaded to the phone, it seems like it must be possible to backup and restore them.
Has anyone succeeded in backing up and restoring visual voicemails? Can anyone provide instructions? I'd really really appreciate if anyone can finally answer this.
(I understand many of you just use Google Voice, but that in itself doesn't allow me to preserve the voicemails I already have.)
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Try this:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6444182&postcount=13
I'm pretty sure I have seen a third party app somewhere that can accomplish this. Don't know if it works as I have used GVoice exclusively for a few years now.
You should probably start by searching the market or AppBrain, etc. If I find the name, I'll update this post.

Thanks when I get by my computer I'll thank you with the button.
Just_s said:
Try this:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6444182&postcount=13
I'm pretty sure I have seen a third party app somewhere that can accomplish this. Don't know if it works as I have used GVoice exclusively for a few years now.
You should probably start by searching the market or AppBrain, etc. If I find the name, I'll update this post.
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nuggyunlimited said:
Thanks when I get by my computer I'll thank you with the button.
Swyped from Eva running Myn's RLS4!
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No problem. Also, you'll probably want to try posts 13, 14 and 15.

Why has no one mentioned Titanium Backup? Does it not work for VVM?

aph said:
Why has no one mentioned Titanium Backup? Does it not work for VVM?
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Titanium Backup doesn't seem to cover VVMs, no.
To all, thank you for your replies. I'll have to buy Root Explorer, but hopefully copying the VVM files from the path from Just_s / Otaknedroid will do it.
If anyone's tried that method and gotten it to work, please post!
(Also, I'm still interested if there's an app specifically to do this...)

For me, they've always come back after a wipe. They're stored on a cloud, and the phone automatically downloads all the ones that were in your voicemail.
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flomexico said:
For me, they've always come back after a wipe. They're stored on a cloud, and the phone automatically downloads all the ones that were in your voicemail.
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That's really weird. You say "after a wipe," but does that include after installing a whole new ROM? Every time I install a new ROM, they disappear and never come back... From the other replies, it seems like that's normal. I wonder what's different about your system.

Yeah, after a new ROM too. Hmm, I'm wondering now too. I'd always thought everybody's did that.
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I backed Up & Restored my voicemail with Titanium Backup Pro
I have a Samsung Epic with latest Bonsai Rom. Within the app list of Titanium Backup Pro v 3.6.8 I selected the "voicemail T.5.1.0.52" app. I backed it up with data. After I wiped my phone, i selected this app and since the app is pre-installed, I selected to "restore data" only. This restored all of my voicemail from before my hard reset!

My voicemails always come back after a wipe and flash as well.

sumcrazyguy said:
I have a Samsung Epic with latest Bonsai Rom. Within the app list of Titanium Backup Pro v 3.6.8 I selected the "voicemail T.5.1.0.52" app. I backed it up with data. After I wiped my phone, i selected this app and since the app is pre-installed, I selected to "restore data" only. This restored all of my voicemail from before my hard reset!
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I have the Epic as well, and was restoring from a backup of EC05 Stock pre-rooted.. I backed up the data of my Voicemail T 5.1.x.xx app in Titanium Backup, and after the EC05 restore I attempted to restore the Voicemail DATA ONLY and it failed - twice. Even attempting to restore App+data will not work..
I'm pretty disappointed I may have lost the voicemails I thought would restore

Titanium Backup for Voicemail Messages
ScaryBugThing said:
Titanium Backup doesn't seem to cover VVMs, no.
To all, thank you for your replies. I'll have to buy Root Explorer, but hopefully copying the VVM files from the path from Just_s / Otaknedroid will do it.
If anyone's tried that method and gotten it to work, please post!
(Also, I'm still interested if there's an app specifically to do this...)
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I have voicemails backed up and have been restoring them to my VVM on several different roms. I use Titanium Backup for this and have not had any issues with it. I have backed up "Voicemail T.5.1.0.60" When I restore the app, I select Data only and it restores all of the prior voicemails that existed during the most recent backup. Hope this helps.

Restore Visual Voicemails on non-rooted phone?
I'm a noobie with non-rooted Evo4G and Evo3D phones.
I'm trying to save the VVMs on my Evo4G and transfer them to my Evo3D.
So far the only way I've found is to forward them one by one to my email, but this loses all properties for the voicemail (date received, from whom, etc).
I tried using Titanium backup, but it won't allow me to install without rooting first... and I'm nervous about rooting and cause problems.
I've searched the forums without luck.
Does anyone know where the visual voicemail files are stored on the EVO4G, or how to move them to a new phone? There must be a way, since it's clear they are stored locally, not in the cloud.
Thanks for your help

delevin1 said:
I'm a noobie with non-rooted Evo4G and Evo3D phones.
I'm trying to save the VVMs on my Evo4G and transfer them to my Evo3D.
So far the only way I've found is to forward them one by one to my email, but this loses all properties for the voicemail (date received, from whom, etc).
I tried using Titanium backup, but it won't allow me to install without rooting first... and I'm nervous about rooting and cause problems.
I've searched the forums without luck.
Does anyone know where the visual voicemail files are stored on the EVO4G, or how to move them to a new phone? There must be a way, since it's clear they are stored locally, not in the cloud.
Thanks for your help
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/data/data/com.coremobility.app.vnotes
Having root....go to that directory on the phone...preferrably with Root Explorer...copy the folder and paste it to ur SD card directory. Database and VVMs saved as .AMRs will be inside which u can copy back to the data directory when ur done flashing or what have u. good luck

zagman said:
/data/data/com.coremobility.app.vnotes
Having root....go to that directory on the phone...preferrably with Root Explorer...copy the folder and paste it to ur SD card directory. Database and VVMs saved as .AMRs will be inside which u can copy back to the data directory when ur done flashing or what have u. good luck
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Thanks for the reply.
My EVO isn't rooted, and when I use ASTRO, I can't find the directory you reference. Is there a way to find the visual voicemail files on a NON-rooted evo?

Delevin1 - did you have any luck with this? When I open Astro, by default it starts in the directory /mnt/sdcard, but clicking the "up" button twice will take me to the root directory / and from there I can go to /data and its subdirectories.

Hopefully zagmans method works. But if not..your voicemails will always be in ur last nandroid backup. So you could nandroid back to listen to one. I know it would suck to do that but at least your voicemails arent gone.. just always make a nand backup!
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Data Directory and New VVM version (T.5.2.0.24)
Yes, I'm able to get to the Data Directory using ASTRO File Manager, but the directory appears empty, even when I change the preferences to "show hidden files".
The Visual Voicemail app recently received an update that added "folders", including a "Deleted" folder (so you won't lose a voicemail that you accidentally deleted), and an option to "Move to SD". This moves selected voicemails to the /mnt/sdcard/smvvm directory which is great progress. However, it renames them (e.g. SD-10A, SD-11A, SD-12A, etc) so you lose data about who the voicemail is from, when it was received, and how long it is (although you can see the size of the file)
In the properties (as viewed via ASTRO) for each file, it shows the modified date as the date you moved it to the SD card, not the date it was recorded. There is no created date.
Definitely a move in the right direction, but still needs some work.
David

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Backing up befroe rooting

SO i finally decided to root my phone but i have a couple questions. my phone is pretty dam customized an di spent several hours doing it (ie- installed programs, have game save files, custom, desktops, ringtone, alerts, accounts, facebook contacts linked with gmail contacts...)
so first question- using backup pro or any other backup program if a backup is created once the phone is rooted can i run the restore to get all my programs and settings back?
also i know to root your phoen you need to overwrite the sd card. if i copy all my info off the sd card, can i copy it right back once the root is complete (ie- pics, game saves...)
anything esle i should know before rooting.
fyi- i have worked for several tyears as a windows,systems/network admin, so the technical part of rooting is not my question is the backup and recovery of the programs and settings and such
thanks in advance
I am not an expert but maybe this answer can help.
As far as backing up and restoring, u should be fine with whatever program u use. Rooting just gives u super user access to the root directory, but doesn't actually overwrite anything that would prevent u from restoring programs u had backed up. Installing a custom rom however is more of re-writing of the underlying software, which then forces you to put a lot more effort back into restoring (i.e. home screen layout, widgets,...).
As far as your sd card, I didn't have to wipe or reformat mine when I rooted. In fact I am using the same card I had in my moto droid. I may have formatted to fat32 at one point back then, but I do not recall having to re-wipe when rooting my Dinc.
Hope this helps.
P.s. I also recommend switching to titanium backup once rooted. It is by far the best backup and restore utility out there. Also, u may want to post questions like this in the proper forum, not the dev forum. People tend to get peeved by improper posting.
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thanks
I'll repost in the correct spot. dont wanna ruffle any feathers. ya know its just i put so much work into customizing the phone i dont want to have to redo it. but as long as i document what i have done i should be able to redo it all myslef if the backup fails. the program i use it mybackup pro btw
All the back up apps require root. Rooting will not delete any of your data. Root and do a nandroid
Not all backup apps require root, just the better ones. I like titanium because it will save your customizations as well as your apps.
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so can someone briefly explain how they would go about- backing up, moving data off card, then rooting? (obv i dont need rooting instructions)
thanks
I'm not a pro at this stuff but from my experience your worrying about stuff you really don't need to at this point. Rooting itself isn't gonna delete anything. It's just gonna give you more access to your phone. You still have the same radio, same hboot, and same OS version and kernel.
All I'm saying is download unrevoked3, root your phone, then first thing do a nandroid backup and boom your backed up. And after you boot it up download Titanium Backup and start backing up.
shehababbassi said:
so can someone briefly explain how they would go about- backing up, moving data off card, then rooting? (obv i dont need rooting instructions)
Not sure exactly what you're looking for, but if it's to transfer all the files from your sd card to your computer, wipe & format and then re-add, then it depends on your computer. I have a mac so I save a backup copy of my sd card on my desktop by mounting my phone as a disk drive when I plug it in, and then drag and drop all the files I want to save (or transfer to my phone). This will also transfer your backup files as well (assuming they are being saved to your sd card).
Eno is right though, you are getting ahead of yourself right now.
Root, do a nandroid backup, get titanium and then have fun with your newly rooted phone.
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I have also been backing up my texts with SMS Backup. I haven't had any luck with just restoring data from titanium. But as they're saying, root is really the first step.
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Also, with any new ROM I loose call log data. Anyone know a fix for that?
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HarrisonBP said:
Also, with any new ROM I loose call log data. Anyone know a fix for that?
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Every time I flash a new Rom I do sms backup and restore, call log backup and restore, and apn backup and restore. All of which are from the same dev. Call logs backup and restore is what you are looking for but an apn backup is always handy.

Nandroid backup failure?

So I'm not entirely sure where to start with this one. I'm running myn's roms... was on RLS3 and went to update to RLS4 the other day. Did a nandroid backup via clockwork/ROM manager. The install of the new ROM took forever (over 30 minutes) and when it finished, for whatever reason clockwork didn't restart automatically like it usually does. When I did reboot the unit, it hung forever (I actually left it plugged in and booting while I took an hour nap)... so I finally rebooted it into recovery and restored my backup.
When the backup loaded I reset the phone, and the image was very broken. Actually to be fair, the image seemed fine... except for whatever system android uses to keep track of installed apps was corrupted. Most of my apps were missing, including core google ones. The marketplace, all of my file browsing apps (astro and root explorer) and even things like live wallpapers and maps were missing.
Next, I tried several things, including doing a fresh wipe and install of a working ROM (tried both myn 2 and 3) and then tried restoring my backup again... no matter what the backup took me to this point (and yes I understand why that is... I was just hoping that the restore wasn't actually restoring some file that the ROM would put back... as unlikely as that was).
So at this point I'm over losing all my stuff to reinstall ... but I really want to keep my text messages and call history. I can't get anything installed to back them up though... since the market is missing, as well as anything like astro, etc. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for extracting the SMS/MMS and call history stuff out of the backup I have... or getting them backed up somehow when I'm loaded into my botched recovery. I still have full internet, call and SMS access... so if there were some web-based backup I could even run that (although I don't think there is). I'm at a bit of a loss... I'd really like to get the data I want backed up before I start new. At the moment I'm still using the phone as I can still get core functionality.
Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Please let me know. Thanks!
install AMON recovery to do your NAND's, install SMS backup and that will save your texts, and titanium backup any apps you want saved with data. thats how i do it, oh and install app brain as well to keep track of your installed apps
xlGmanlx said:
install AMON recovery to do your NAND's, install SMS backup and that will save your texts, and titanium backup any apps you want saved with data. thats how i do it, oh and install app brain as well to keep track of your installed apps
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It sucked when romanger and clock work broke for me. Never again.
Clock doesn't wipe correctly. Search it.
Thanks... appreciate the reply... although still hoping someone can point me in the right direction to get what I currently have backed up considering the half-broken state my phone is currently in... either getting it out of the backup file somehow or somehow getting stuff installed on my phone without a market or a file manager.
If you flash the rom overtop of itself you want lose anything, so try that
agent0014 said:
Thanks... appreciate the reply... although still hoping someone can point me in the right direction to get what I currently have backed up considering the half-broken state my phone is currently in... either getting it out of the backup file somehow or somehow getting stuff installed on my phone without a market or a file manager.
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So oddly enough that didn't work in of itself... but it did start me in the right direction. Most of my apps were still missing, but for whatever reason reflashing the rom made Astro re-appear in my app drawer. From there I browsed to the system/app folder and was able to install MyBackup Pro over itself somehow. I ran that to backup all my user data and wiped clean. My texts and other data are restoring right now on the fresh image.
So clockwork is definitely the culprit? What's a good alternative? I got used to using that for so long, I'm not even sure what else is out there anymore.
Thanks for your help G'man!
Go to clockwork and down at the bottom click install alternate recovery, viola
agent0014 said:
So oddly enough that didn't work in of itself... but it did start me in the right direction. Most of my apps were still missing, but for whatever reason reflashing the rom made Astro re-appear in my app drawer. From there I browsed to the system/app folder and was able to install MyBackup Pro over itself somehow. I ran that to backup all my user data and wiped clean. My texts and other data are restoring right now on the fresh image.
So clockwork is definitely the culprit? What's a good alternative? I got used to using that for so long, I'm not even sure what else is out there anymore.
Thanks for your help G'man!
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[Q] Anyone with knowledge about System files*****help***

My EVO is rooted, thought i start with that.
a couple of days ago I was on a call and i got the beep notification that I received a text (normal so far), then after the call i went to my text messages to discover that all my prior text (about 2000) were completely GONE. I only had that new one that came in during the call.
I am using Hancent SMS from day one. I opened the native SMS app and stil nothing.
WHERE ARE THE TEXTS SAVED IN THE PHONE? AND ANY WAY TO GET THEM BACK?
Yes i have rebooted the phone.
Whoever knows please HELP!
thanks.
I think it's /data/data/com.android.providers.telephony/databases/mmssms.db
If you want restore them pull that file from a previous nandroid
If you haven't done a nandroid, they're probably gone forever. A nandroid will only get back the text messages that were present at the time of the backup.
(from... Evo/MIUI/Tapatalk)
oops, i guess i should have done a nandroid, if I knew how...not the handiest with adroid stuff yet.
i will see if there is anything in the path that the first reply provided.
thank you.
gsxrlo said:
oops, i guess i should have done a nandroid, if I knew how...not the handiest with adroid stuff yet.
i will see if there is anything in the path that the first reply provided.
thank you.
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A nandroid is the same thing as a backup, which you do from recovery. Restoring the nandroid [backup] restores the phone to the exact state as it was, texts, ect, as when backed up. Going to recovery and restoring the backup would be your best bet.
just went to /data and there is nothing after that, i get a "directory is empty"
I am using Astro to get there in case you were wondering.
Am probably F***d up
gsxrlo said:
just went to /data and there is nothing after that, i get a "directory is empty"
I am using Astro to get there in case you were wondering.
Am probably F***d up
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Try using root explorer, and look in the same folder.
If you don't want to buy root explorer, estrongs file explorer can view the /data folder also.

Titanium backup question, please halp meh...

Ok I have a lot of backups stored in TI, but I am wanting to re flash my ROM and wipe data ect..
My question is can I somehow make a backup of just the apps that are installed on my phone right now, so when I start to put the apps back I can flash all the apps I have now instead of going and unchecking all the apps I don't want installed right now?
I hope that makes sence, I'm not good at expressing what's in my brain onto txt...
Thx for help.
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Would be good if there was a question lol
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There is a question..
And the answer is yes, select batch back up and only select the files you want to install, instead of just selecting all.
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I know how to do that. But I have a lot of apps that are backed up but not installed so it would take a while.
I just want to know if there is a quicker way.
I guess I could ask like this;
Is there a way to backup all current installed apps, then flash a new ROM or wipe data, and then re-install just the apps that u just then backed up? Completly ignoring all other backups of apps that are stored there.
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evilsock said:
I know how to do that. But I have a lot of apps that are backed up but not installed so it would take a while.
I just want to know if there is a quicker way.
I guess I could ask like this;
Is there a way to backup all current installed apps, then flash a new ROM or wipe data, and then re-install just the apps that u just then backed up? Completly ignoring all other backups of apps that are stored there.
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Yes, you can backup the current apps installed. There's an APP in the market called App Backup & Restore. This backs up all apps in your phone (giving you the option to check/uncheck which ones you dont want) and allows you to restore those apps with ease.
Check it out...I hope this is what you're looking for!
You could also back them up with a nandroid and do an advanced restore data and get all your current apps back.
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You could also back them up with a nandroid and do an advanced restore data and get all your current apps back.
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You and I seem to think alike kenny, but you're always a bit ahead of me! I was thinking this same thing, or the other option, still in TB, would be to batch restore and then click the box "deselect all" so then you only have to go through and check the ones you want instead of unchecking the ones you don't. I think this was mentioned before as well.
I was wondering if you could provide a bit more info on the advanced restore data. I know it's an option available in CWM, but I'm wondering if there are situations where it wouldn't work as well as using some backup app. I think I read that if you were switching versions, like Froyo to Gingerbread, it probably wouldn't work well. But I've got the nandroid backup from EI22, just after I rooted and applied the GPS fix and silent camera mod, and I think the custom ROMs I've seen lately are all based on that, so would it work OK? The advanced restore of data seems like it would be a bit easier (or at least simpler) than using an app, but I don't know too much about how it works. Any clarifications about this would be appreciated. Thanks.
Dronak said:
I was wondering if you could provide a bit more info on the advanced restore data. I know it's an option available in CWM, but I'm wondering if there are situations where it wouldn't work as well as using some backup app. I think I read that if you were switching versions, like Froyo to Gingerbread, it probably wouldn't work well. But I've got the nandroid backup from EI22, just after I rooted and applied the GPS fix and silent camera mod, and I think the custom ROMs I've seen lately are all based on that, so would it work OK? The advanced restore of data seems like it would be a bit easier (or at least simpler) than using an app, but I don't know too much about how it works. Any clarifications about this would be appreciated. Thanks.
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It should work fine. It only restores 3rd party apps and data and the data folder of your phone. The other stuff should be in your phones system folder.
Well personally I would just do a clockwork backup like the previous guys said, and then advanced restore my data onto the new rom. I've been doing this with Rom installs for 2 years and it's always worked pretty well.
Anyways, if you really wanted to use TB that bad to do it, I would go into your SD card folder, copy the TB folder onto the computer (All your old backups you don't want to get rid of would be in here) Delete the TB Folder on your SD card, then re-run TB again. Do a batch backup of all your apps (that you have currently installed). If you ever want any of the old backups of apps you don't currently use, they'll always be on the computer.
Make a new label & add all the apps you have installed right now & and that you want to restore on your new rom. Then when your new rom setup is ready to restore apps just filter that label you made & bach restore
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OperationMove said:
Anyways, if you really wanted to use TB that bad to do it, I would go into your SD card folder, copy the TB folder onto the computer (All your old backups you don't want to get rid of would be in here) Delete the TB Folder on your SD card, then re-run TB again. Do a batch backup of all your apps (that you have currently installed). If you ever want any of the old backups of apps you don't currently use, they'll always be on the computer.
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Heh, exactly what I was getting ready to recommend, as this is a very easy way to do exactly what he wants
Thanks for saving me from having to type it out

[Q] Titanium and 4.3 rom

Hey guys, sorry to post here but long time reader, first time posting. I have searched and found a few topics but nothing that helps. I am on liquid 2.9 and have backed all apps/data. I recently flashed crDroid AOSP [Build3]. Titanium wont restore anything from apps to call log. Its a clean flash and have the most up to date titanium. Also, have the newest 4.3 gapps. Tried 3 clean flashes. Any suggestions?
Are you having the issue where it just hangs there when restoring? If so, go to menu>preferences>backup folder location>(select detect)>(select whole Device)>pick the one that is located in /storage/emulated/legacy/0/TitaniumBackup. Just make sure its the one in the legacy folder.
I do have that with the apps. Thanks. I will try that. With call log and messages it will say the restore has been completed successfully and it will take less than a second or two but nothing will show in the log or messages. Any suggestions on that issue. I know i can just start over but like to carry those over with me.
nexus_man said:
I do have that with the apps. Thanks. I will try that. With call log and messages it will say the restore has been completed successfully and it will take less than a second or two but nothing will show in the log or messages. Any suggestions on that issue. I know i can just start over but like to carry those over with me.
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Do you have a backup of your last ROM? If so, use the app "Nandroid Manager" in the Play Store. You can restore texts and call logs from your backup. I've never used Titanium Backup to restore texts and call logs so I dont know about that issue.
Thanks. I will try that. I have always used that and it usually works great but 4.3 is a different animal. I am sure Titanium is working on it but wanted to see if I was missing something. Thanks for the help.

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