[Q] HTC Vision Radio - G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hi all,
I have been searching these forums and the net for the past two days and I can only find rumor of what I am looking for.
I am trying to find out how I can go about getting the G2 to work on Rogers 3G. The phone supports the frequencies but merely doesn't know what to do with them.
It looks like the phone can access bands I, II, III, IV, V, and VIII.
It uses Bands II and IV for phone and edge.
It should be able to use Band I for 3G
HTC and Rogers tells me that Band I should work for me but I cant even get Edge right now. My APN settings should be correct.
In the *#*#4636#*#* menu you can change the radio bands it uses. Would this imply that the software determines the bands used to connect to the network?
I read rumors that people have successfully flashed the DZ radio to the G2 but I can't find any details on the matter. Has anyone seen this done? would that change the bands the phone uses for 3G?

The bands are set in hardware, you can't change them. If you flash a DZ radio to the G2 (I've no idea if that is safe or not), then it won't change the bands.
The G2 supports Bands I and IV.
The DZ has Bands I and VIII
The NAM DZ (Bell) has Bands II and V.
Sorry, but there's no way a G2 is going to work on 3G on Rogers (Bands II and V). It'll do EDGE at best. You need to sell the G2 and buy a NAM DZ if you want to get that working.

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Unlocked TELUS PRO2 does not work on FIDO 3G network?

I bought HTC PRO2 (RHOD500) from Telus. I just noticed that it does not work on fido 3G network. GSM is fine.
If the Hard-SPL for world phone is released, can I use 3G fido network at that time?
Thanks
You can pay to get it sim unlocked now and it will work. Search for tmobile unlock on ebay. I am on Telus and it works perfect.
leanne said:
You can pay to get it sim unlocked now and it will work. Search for tmobile unlock on ebay. I am on Telus and it works perfect.
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I knew that, and my phone has been unlocked. I can make phone call without any problem.
However, I can not use it with fido 3G network.
It does not work at all
Hey,
I don’t think its the phone . I have seen this issue many times in the past All your data settings are still set up for TELUS and the CDMA network, It’s not as simple as just unlocking the SIM card to get the data to work you have to go in an re-program the phone. I would suggest finding the Data setting on a Windows mobile device Fido has and just copying those into you Touch Pro 2. (you will most likely need to do this by hand)
Can’t promise it will work as I know some Carriers have certain fields added and removed to fit their needs which messes up the phone when you unlock it to use on other networks.
Wait!!
does this mean the RHOD500 has GSM and CDMA??
--- Does this mean?
1. Buy Telus TP2
2. Unlock
3. Switch to Fido/Rogers
4. Flash 6.1 GSM rom
5. Use 3g?
I think the issue here is that the Telus TP2 has had the 850/1900MHz UMTS bands disabled for some retarded reason. (Seems especially retarded seeing as how they are rolling out a UMTS network running on those bands in a couple of months).
There is speculation that the bands physically exist on the Telus TP2 but they have been software disabled. The other possibility is that the hardware is not physically present to utilize the 850/1900MHz bands that Fido/Rogers use for their 3G data and that the Telus TP2 will never work on their 3G networks (as well as its own upcoming one) but I think that would be a seriously regretful move on Telus' part.
The spec sheet for the MSM7600 indicates that the phone may or may not be capable of using the 850/1900MHz bands, but according to HTC and Telus' specifications it definitely is able to use the 2100MHz bands (which makes zero sense in Canada since nobody will be using those bands for a long time).
Rick#2 said:
I think the issue here is that the Telus TP2 has had the 850/1900MHz UMTS bands disabled for some retarded reason. (Seems especially retarded seeing as how they are rolling out a UMTS network running on those bands in a couple of months).
There is speculation that the bands physically exist on the Telus TP2 but they have been software disabled. The other possibility is that the hardware is not physically present to utilize the 850/1900MHz bands that Fido/Rogers use for their 3G data and that the Telus TP2 will never work on their 3G networks (as well as its own upcoming one) but I think that would be a seriously regretful move on Telus' part.
The spec sheet for the MSM7600 indicates that the phone may or may not be capable of using the 850/1900MHz bands, but according to HTC and Telus' specifications it definitely is able to use the 2100MHz bands (which makes zero sense in Canada since nobody will be using those bands for a long time).
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This isn't extremely helpful, but
http://web.archive.org/web/20071025232258/www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/msm7600_chipset.pdf
according to that (if I'm reading right) there has to be at least 1 other UMTS band, no configuration is ONLY 2100MHz (the chipset that does only that doesnt do the 1900MHz PCS band for CDMA). But really, I'm pretty much guessing.
Hi I am using the unlocked Telus version on Fido. It's true that you can't use 3G because the phone does not support the required bands. But I still use EDGE. It's slower but better than nothing. Create a new connection and name it Fido. APN is : internet.fido.ca
Username: fido
PW: fido
Hope this helps.
https://www.telusmobility.com/en/QC/htc_touchpro2_t7379/index.shtml
Go to this site, click on the Details button and you'll see that the TP2 supports all of the above mentioned Bands. The bands are all software locked and once Telus initializes the new network (along with WinMo 6.5) they will offer the firmware upgrade to open ALL the GSM bands. It'll just be the question of unlocking the simlock on the device!
wraith79 said:
https://www.telusmobility.com/en/QC/htc_touchpro2_t7379/index.shtml
Go to this site, click on the Details button and you'll see that the TP2 supports all of the above mentioned Bands. The bands are all software locked and once Telus initializes the new network (along with WinMo 6.5) they will offer the firmware upgrade to open ALL the GSM bands. It'll just be the question of unlocking the simlock on the device!
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I think that maybe you are confusing GSM bands with the UMTS/HSPA bands.
There's a big difference between the GSM/Edge bands and WCDMA/UMTS.
I have been following the subject and there`s no concrete evidence that the 850/1900 WCDMA/UMTS bands are only software.
Where the hell did you get your firmware upgrade information? I've only seen this info given as pure speculation!
If the TouchPro 1 is any indication, the phone might be missing some key components to make it work. In the case of the TP1 it was the amplifier that was missing so it couldn't work even chipset and everything could support it.
(see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420865&page=40)
So while it's possible, until someone does a teardown of the phone and we see all the required component it's simply not possible to say that 3G on a GSM network is possible.
The ONLY indication I have seen that it might support 850/1900 HSPA network is the fact that telus stated that the Tour and Storm will not work on the HSPA network. They failed to mention the TP2 so maybe we can read between the lines:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/08/16/t...be-compatible-with-the-canadian-hspa-network/
Axeslocked said:
Wait!!
does this mean the RHOD500 has GSM and CDMA??
--- Does this mean?
1. Buy Telus TP2
2. Unlock
3. Switch to Fido/Rogers
4. Flash 6.1 GSM rom
5. Use 3g?
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Oh and please never flash a GSM rom on a CDMA / World phone!
labbbby said:
Oh and please never flash a GSM rom on a CDMA / World phone!
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lol.. I second that
UMTS Bands
labbbby said:
I think that maybe you are confusing GSM bands with the UMTS/HSPA bands.
There's a big difference between the GSM/Edge bands and WCDMA/UMTS.
I have been following the subject and there`s no concrete evidence that the 850/1900 WCDMA/UMTS bands are only software.
Where the hell did you get your firmware upgrade information? I've only seen this info given as pure speculation!
If the TouchPro 1 is any indication, the phone might be missing some key components to make it work. In the case of the TP1 it was the amplifier that was missing so it couldn't work even chipset and everything could support it.
(see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420865&page=40)
So while it's possible, until someone does a teardown of the phone and we see all the required component it's simply not possible to say that 3G on a GSM network is possible.
The ONLY indication I have seen that it might support 850/1900 HSPA network is the fact that telus stated that the Tour and Storm will not work on the HSPA network. They failed to mention the TP2 so maybe we can read between the lines:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/08/16/t...be-compatible-with-the-canadian-hspa-network/
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I have been following this debate on multiple forums.
Based on some information from RileyFreeman, I do think Telus will enable the TouchPro2 for new HSPA network.
Granted, today, you can unlock and use on Rogers, Fido or ATT networks using EDGE, it would be a real poor move for Telus to not have an upgrade path to HSPA.
This is Telus's non Blackberry flagship business device, today, Telus has Enterprise customers testing the HSPA network (likely either PC cards or USB modems). Once HTC releases Windows Mobile 6.5, this would be an ideal time to upgrade the radio's and unlock the 850/1900 UMTS bands.
I can see the 850/1900 bands today, not 100% if they are actually there, also wondering if Telus is also waiting for ATT to release TP2 so ATT can test ROM, Sprint nor Verizon would not have any need to do any regression testing on ROM that supports UMTS bands. Tell tale sign will be if ATT TP2 has same chipset as Telus TP2.
I am crossing my fingers that TP2 will support Telus Canadian SIM.
I agree with you points. By seing the bands you mean in windows mobile band selction settings? If so these are always there.
I highly doubt ATT will use the same chipset as Telus since they use the MSM7600 to support both GSM and CDMA. ATT as no need for CDMA.
Also to support my claim:
ATT is RHOD300 device.
I think Telus is RHOD500 and Sprint is RHOD400 (can't find this info but I know 400/500 are both world phone, so it might be the opposit or something)
Different RHODXXX indicates differents innards.
Bottom line I want a TP2 with 3G on Fido so Im crossing my finders too!
Edit:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/04/atandts-htc-touch-pro2-hits-the-fcc/
So that's Rhodium 100 for T-Mobile, 400/500 for Sprint and Verizon (or vice-versa) and 300 for AT&T
Noob mistake on my part I think the Rhodium XXX is FCC ...so why did I think Telus was in there =\
Sprint is RHOD400, Verizon and Telus both are RHOD500.

[Q] AT&T Tilt2 on T-Mobile no 3G or HSDPA only Edge

Looked everywhere but have only found a few comments mainly regarding the AT&T network.
I have a AT&T branded Tilt-2 with TP2_Core_Cell_Evo_V3.1_(23127) and am on the T-mobile network.
In my area we have HSDPA and 3G, and my HTC 3G Dash shows those connections and runs from 583K up to 898K.
My Tilt2 on the other hand runs between 36K and a max of 156K (usually its under 50K)
I have tried everything and a ton of different radios and nothing seems to help.
I can't believe I am the only one, and I am sure its in the forum but I havent been able to find it and I have been looking for 2 days now. Does ANYONE know if there is a solution to this or am I stuck with a great looking phone and ROM that is slower than my old HTC Universal.
So I am starting this thread with the keywords in the title to help others find the info/help/cab/settings to fix this issue.
Any help would be appreciated..
Charles
Can I assume from the deafening silence that there is no solution and this would be why I couldn't find anything when I was searching all over the forums.
I thought AT&T and T-mobile use different bands for their 3G...haven't met anyone yet that can switch between these two and get the others' 3G service to work on the phone from the other...only Edge.
Yep, 3G are are different bands and AT&T's unique.
Most likely, hardware limit and T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 version is what you wanted.
However, for my Tilt 2, I use AT&T Prepaid Pay-as-you-go and get full 3G service and for $20 get 30 days of 100MB data at full speed. The Pay-as-you-go offers a $3.00 per day for unlimited calls during 24 hour period when you choose plan.
But the settings on the phone even show the 2100MHZ band and other stuff.. thought quad band phones were useable on all GSM networks. I guess that must mean the phones are but not the data portion of the phone.
So it would seem I have a really nice looking phone thats about as functional as a Windows 7 computer with a 56K dialup modem. Great...
Anyone on AT&T and have a T-mobile Touch Pro2 that they would like to swap with me.
when you talk about gsm (gprs/edge/2g), there are 4 bands and pretty much all devices can work on those. when it comes to umts (3g/hspa encap) thats where proprietary bands come in. word wide you will have the 900 and 2100 bands, att uses the 850 and 1900 bands, and tmobile uses 1700. what bands a phone is capable of running on depends on the baseband hardware in the phone. theres no way to change this without basically swapping the phone out for the carrier branded device.
cdma like sprint and verizon is another monster...
cdgoin said:
thought quad band phones were useable on all GSM networks.
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They do, but working and working optimally are 2 different things. You should always buy a phone to work on the network you use regularly, and be happy it works at all on others when you travel.
Live and learn..
I wonder if anyone out there in the community has a TouchPro2 that they got for use on AT&T and would like to swap..?
Charles
Can't get 3G Either
I'm using an unlocked HTC Touch Pro 2 (Euro Version) on T-Mobile and can only get Edge. The funny hting is that T-mobile is stumped on the issue even though they've seen that I'm using an HTC Touch Pro 2, not the branded T-Mo version. I just started looking into hardware differences tonight and will post whatever I find. I'm glad you started the thread.
T-Mobile HSPA bands
Just confirmed my suspicions.
The branded T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 operates on HSPA/WCDMA on the following bands: 1700/2100 MHz.
The HTC Touch Pro 2 (unbranded) operates on HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz.
So, if you want 3G, you need to stick with the T-Mobile branded phone.
Wow...I never thought I'd hear myself saying those words. *sigh* =(
I actually have a t-mobile branded HTC Touch Pro 2 I use on ATT, if you really wanna swap I'm totally down for that. My email is [email protected] shoot me a message and lets work out how to go about this.

[Q] Make 3G work on my Carrier

Hello fellas. I've been with my G2 for about a month now, awesome phone, but the thing is I only can use EDGE network and not 3G.
Since my carrier here in Venezuela is Movistar, which operates in these bands: 850, 1900 Mhz.
Is there anyway to make my T-Mobile G2 work with my local carrier? Thanks in advance for the help.
Yes --- check out the HUGE APN thread here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2819321&
you just need to find the right apn for your area...
No, the T-Mobile G2 is not compatible with those UMTS bands (it only uses 1700/2100). If you wanted 3G to work, you would need to get the Desire Z NAM instead (i.e., the Bell Canada version). Probably too late since you already have the phone, but maybe you can sell your G2 and pick up one of those instead?
ianmcquinn said:
No, the T-Mobile G2 is not compatible with those UMTS bands (it only uses 1700/2100). If you wanted 3G to work, you would need to get the Desire Z NAM instead (i.e., the Bell Canada version). Probably too late since you already have the phone, but maybe you can sell your G2 and pick up one of those instead?
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Yep, he's right. The OP bought the wrong version.
ianmcquinn said:
No, the T-Mobile G2 is not compatible with those UMTS bands (it only uses 1700/2100). If you wanted 3G to work, you would need to get the Desire Z NAM instead (i.e., the Bell Canada version). Probably too late since you already have the phone, but maybe you can sell your G2 and pick up one of those instead?
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Yes, I made some research and the only way I can enjoy 3G is if I get the DZ Us Version...
I mostly blame the carriers in this POS country, they're so behind in technology.

[Q] T-Mobile G2 (HTC Desire Z) in Korea

I perma-rooted, unlocked, and gFreed my phone... I was wondering why I cannot connect to the network here in Korea...
I am using a sim card I received from SK Telecom when I got my Samsung A... but really, who would use a Samsung A if you have a G2 on hand?
Thank you
The T-Mobile G2 and HTC Desire Z have different radio hardware if I have done my research correctly. The G2 has been customized for the NA (USA) cell networks and frequencies, not sure if this would line up with the Korean networks as the G2 cannot get 3G on any USA network other than T-Mobile.
You'd get better luck with the Desire Z (European or Canadian version) as these radios are true world phones. Correct me if I'm wrong =/
Athrun88 said:
The T-Mobile G2 and HTC Desire Z have different radio hardware if I have done my research correctly. The G2 has been customized for the NA (USA) cell networks and frequencies, not sure if this would line up with the Korean networks as the G2 cannot get 3G on any USA network other than T-Mobile.
You'd get better luck with the Desire Z (European or Canadian version) as these radios are true world phones. Correct me if I'm wrong =/
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I think you're wrong, but its not clear. The G2 appears to have both Band IV (1700/2100 MHz AWS) that T-Mob uses for data, and Band I (2100 MHz UMTS). The 2100 MHz for Band I is not the same as the 2100 MHz for Band IV. So that is where the confusion lies. Specs listed online (even on T-Mobs website) are not completely clear on this band compatibility (whether the G2 has Band I), and you will find web discussions about this if you search around, that raise more questions than answers.
Band I is what Korea uses for everything (voice and data), so an unlocked G2 should work, if in fact the phone has Band I. In searching around the internet, I haven't found any references to Korea specifically (or Japan, which also uses Band I for voice and data). But I've found some post by people that have used unlocked G2's in Europe, and 3G appears to work fine. So in theory, the hardware should work in Korea.
So either there is something else going on, that is preventing the OP from connecting. Or the G2 in fact lacks Band I.
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I think you're wrong, but its not clear. The G2 appears to have both Band IV (1700/2100 MHz AWS) that T-Mob uses for data, and Band I (2100 MHz UMTS). The 2100 MHz for Band I is not the same as the 2100 MHz for Band IV. So that is where the confusion lies. Specs listed online (even on T-Mobs website) are not completely clear on this band compatibility (whether the G2 has Band I), and you will find web discussions about this if you search around, that raise more questions than answers.
Band I is what Korea uses for everything (voice and data), so an unlocked G2 should work, if in fact the phone has Band I. In searching around the internet, I haven't found any references to Korea specifically (or Japan, which also uses Band I for voice and data). But I've found some post by people that have used unlocked G2's in Europe, and 3G appears to work fine. So in theory, the hardware should work in Korea.
So either there is something else going on, that is preventing the OP from connecting. Or the G2 in fact lacks Band I.
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I'm travelling to Korea tomorrow for a wedding and I'm in the same boat. I think this may have something to do with it
IMEI whitelist policy
Do you have any other info on your resolution to this problem?
You can. They partially opened their network, so if it is just individually being used (not commercial sale or anything), then you can register your G2 to your account only, so you can use your phone in Korea. Visit any cooperate stores ( both SKT, and KT will do).
I am using G2 in Korea as well. So good luck!

Telus M8 on lte band 2 (1900)

Hello. I have just bought a used telus htc m8. I live in Mexico and am on the movistar network. I can not seem to get LTE working. I only get 3G. They seem to only use LTE band 2 (1900), I check if the phone was compatible on that band before buying and it said it was, but now after investigating more I see there are different phones with different frequencies.
A couple questions:
How do I know what frequencies the telus version of the phone can pick up? I can not find any info on that version of phone.
If needed, Is it possible to flash a different radio to the phone, say at&t, which seems to support 1900?
Or am I wrong, and all gsm versions are the same? Which would mean it should pick up 1900 since it is listed in the at&t version. If that is the case what else coould I check? All obvious things have been checked: I am in an lte area, other phones around me have it. My sim is 4g. I have the wcdma lte auto option selected on the phone options, and my phone is completely updated.

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