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Htc Hero On 3g In The US ?

Hey, Ive had the Htc Hero for a few weeks, and i was wondering if it was possible to make a hack or something so 3g will work on the us 3g bands. Or will we have to wait until they release a gsm unlocked north American Htc hero. Please get back soon.

You'll have to wait because the HTC Hero only has the 900/2100 bands for 3G while the required bands are 850/1900 in the United States. Sorry.

Im thinking this will show up on Roger's in Canada (uses AT&T Compatible 850/1900) before it actually shows up from AT&T.
Ebay.ca would be the way to go.

I believe it might show up on AT&T sooner than we all think
A version with AT&T 3G bands have already passed the FCC (as well as a version with EvDo bands for Sprint) so it looks like 2 North American carriers are poised for some Hero lovin'. Frankly, I'm ready for either an AT&T Hero or a Sprint Hero as I use both carriers.

Freak786 said:
You'll have to wait because the HTC Hero only has the 900/2100 bands for 3G while the required bands are 850/1900 in the United States. Sorry.
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according to the htc site, the hero is quad band. I'm able to get a hero from asia and was wondering the same thing.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/hero/specification.html
it should work with at&t and should not lock you into an expensive plan like the iphone if you get it unlocked.

agentkalaw said:
according to the htc site, the hero is quad band. I'm able to get a hero from asia and was wondering the same thing.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/hero/specification.html
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Quad band for GSM, not for HSDPA/WCDMA. Hero will currently work in the US, but Edge is the best you'll get.
Regards,
Dave

My friends there is a US 3G that should hit the streets soon. its called HTC HERO 130(US). the Euro version is Htc Hero 100.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1966&c=htc_hero_us_htc_hero_130
Enjoy !

daraj said:
My friends there is a US 3G that should hit the streets soon. its called HTC HERO 130(US). the Euro version is Htc Hero 100.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1966&c=htc_hero_us_htc_hero_130
Enjoy !
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Is this a fact?

Ironically, yes and no!
It is called Hero, but it isn't the same Hero as we have in Europe.
http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=220644&p=imageGalleryCategoryDetail&t=MI&MICategoryId=16507&
Spec wise, it is much the same (bands not withstanding), but I far prefer the look of the original Hero.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Ironically, yes and no!
It is called Hero, but it isn't the same Hero as we have in Europe.
http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=220644&p=imageGalleryCategoryDetail&t=MI&MICategoryId=16507&
Spec wise, it is much the same (bands not withstanding), but I far prefer the look of the original Hero.
Regards,
Dave
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Thats the Hero 200 not the Hero 130.

Its just a matter of time before we can use it on AT&T Network

Sorry guys, but the HTC Hero is exclusive to Sprint in the United States - http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/03/htc-hero-heading-to-sprint-october-11-for-179-99-no-chin/
Your best bet for a GSM Hero that works on AT&T's 3g is to wait for Rogers(GSM) in Canada to get it. Rogers has non google branded phones like the Magic(MyTouch 3g) and the Dream(G1). Thats just my thought and I could be wrong. But thats your last sign of hope for now. Plus Bell in Canada is getting the Palm Pre, so Rogers having a Hero is a nice fighting power to go against the Pre.
And lets put an end to this.... No European and Asian GSM HTC Hero will not have 3g in the US, only Edge!!! Theirs no hacks or anything that will work... We dont need more threads asking the same questions over and over.
One more thing came to mind. If AT&T and HTC take the SenseUI and put it onto a new android phone and called it something different.... Then you can have your Hero.. I dont see that happening this year. AT&T still has to release the Fortress(Touch Pro2) and Warhawk(Diamond2) still this year.

michd43 said:
Sorry guys, but the HTC Hero is exclusive to Sprint in the United States - http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/03/htc-hero-heading-to-sprint-october-11-for-179-99-no-chin/
Your best bet for a GSM Hero that works on AT&T's 3g is to wait for Rogers(GSM) in Canada to get it. Rogers has non google branded phones like the Magic(MyTouch 3g) and the Dream(G1). Thats just my thought and I could be wrong. But thats your last sign of hope for now. Plus Bell in Canada is getting the Palm Pre, so Rogers having a Hero is a nice fighting power to go against the Pre.
And lets put an end to this.... No European and Asian GSM HTC Hero will not have 3g in the US, only Edge!!! Theirs no hacks or anything that will work... We dont need more threads asking the same questions over and over.
One more thing came to mind. If AT&T and HTC take the SenseUI and put it onto a new android phone and called it something different.... Then you can have your Hero.. I dont see that happening this year. AT&T still has to release the Fortress(Touch Pro2) and Warhawk(Diamond2) still this year.
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No one is saying that ATT will get the HERO. We are saying that there will be 850Mhz WDMA version that works on ATT 3G network. It could be very much like you said Rogers Canada. again, there will be HERO 130 that supports ATT 3G network.

does anyone know if the sprint hero will be able to be rooted? i have heard that it will not be possible. please respond thank you.

850 3g ready!
http://www.importgsm.com/product.php?productid=660&cat=0&page=1
It seems some people are wrong... there is a US 3g version of the Hero, as HTC does have a US 3g version of the magic/ mytouch (sold by Rogers)...

sqc001 said:
http://www.importgsm.com/product.php?productid=660&cat=0&page=1
It seems some people are wrong... there is a US 3g version of the Hero, as HTC does have a US 3g version of the magic/ mytouch (sold by Rogers)...
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This has been covered in this forum many many times already. You don't have to dig up old threads and then add in some wrong information.
The AT&T 3G capable (850/1900) Hero is carried by Canadian carrier Telus, NOT Rogers. The phone is available from their website directly for CAD$499 + tax, without contract. They don't ship outside Canada, and people have reported that their local Telus stores do not sell them without opening a line. Some said that it could be purchased without contract at BestBuy (in Canada of course).
A friend (who lives in Canada) of mine helped me to get one. It is unbranded, but sim locked to Telus. Unlock code can be purchased on eBay for slightly over 20 bucks. Mine now works with AT&T 3G flawlessly. Note that the difference between this Hero and the European Hero, is in hardware. No ROM flashing will enable 850/1900 for 3G on the European Hero.

sqc001 said:
http://www.importgsm.com/product.php?productid=660&cat=0&page=1
It seems some people are wrong... there is a US 3g version of the Hero, as HTC does have a US 3g version of the magic/ mytouch (sold by Rogers)...
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BTW, the support of the band 850 alone will not enable a phone to use AT&T 3G network. It requires BOTH 850 and 1900 together.

Yup i'm from toronto and under contract with Rogers. I bought a Telus HTC Hero and unlocked it and it works perfect with Rogers. I took a trip down to NYC and it works on AT&T 3G with no problems.

850/1900 VS. 900/2100 for 3G
I belive that hardware wise - they're not really different.
we already saw in the past hacks (for WM phones) to "enable" more bands.
I believe that HTC blocks part of the bands to complete certification faster (FCC, ETSI etc), and it can be tricked... once we'll have "US 3G" radio, we'll be able to play with it, and compare to "Europenian 3G" radio.
Tomer

tomerbn said:
I belive that hardware wise - they're not really different.
we already saw in the past hacks (for WM phones) to "enable" more bands.
I believe that HTC blocks part of the bands to complete certification faster (FCC, ETSI etc), and it can be tricked... once we'll have "US 3G" radio, we'll be able to play with it, and compare to "Europenian 3G" radio.
Tomer
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Sorry but this is not the case. Rogers version of Dream and Magic have been out for long time already. Have you heard of any case where people can get European or T-Mobile versions of these phones to work on AT&T 3G?
1. The European Hero does not share the same hardware part number with the Telus Hero. The former is HERO100 and the latter is HERO130. Note that this part number is independent of the ROM installed. Asian Heros (Hong Kong, Taiwan, China etc), all have different ROMs but they are all HERO100.
2. Your "certification theory" is wrong. This type of certification doesn't work that way. Adding another chip to support 2 more bands won't delay the certification by months. Days, at most, if at all.
3. Continued from 2. The HERO100 was never sent to FCC for certification. I have both phones with me right now, and there is no FCC certification logo on the HERO100 hardware or on the box, while the FCC logo is easily spotted on the HERO130.
4. People on the other thread had report dialing problems flashing HERO100 radio rom onto HERO130. The problem went away by flashing a newer HERO100 (but no one knows where it came from) radio rom, although people are still reporting SMS problem with this radio rom on HERO130. This radio has been reported to work perfectly (indeed, a lot reported better reception) on HERO100. If the HERO100 and the HERO130 share the same hardware, the difference should go away by flashing the same rom. The fact that, with the same rom the HERO130 supports 850/1900 for 3G while the HERO100 doesn't, clearly indicate the difference in hardware.
While it is not impossible for cell phone manufacturers modify radio rom to restrict bands that their phones support, this is very uncommon (Can you name those WinMo device that you mentioned?). On the other hand, almost every cell phone model has various verisons of hardware to support different bands in different countries. A chip that supports fewer bands costs less. When there are enough demand to move sales, it is much more profitable to produce a region specific hardware with a cheaper chip than to write code to restrict the functionality of a more expensive chip that supports bands that that region never needs.

Desire without 3G :(

hi everybody .. i just got HTC Desire for my wife and we have this phone for 2 days now .The phone don't read 3G and when i checked the network info the phone read EDGE and when i checked my nexus at same time i seen the network UMTS . so what i can do make this desire read 3G

Check your carrier's APN setting.
Menu->Settings->Wireless & networks->Mobile Network Settings->Access Point Names

You are on T-Mobile USA right?
Sorry but there is NO version of HTC Desire that is compatible with T-Mobile USA 3G network. No, T-Mobile in Europe does not use the same 3G bands for 3G as T-Mobile USA, so even if the phone was sold with a T-Mobile (Europe) logo on it it won't have 3G in the US.
Currently there are TWO hardware versions of the HTC Desire. The first one, A8181, is the one that is sold in Europe and Asia, and this one does not have 3G in the US. The second one, A8183, is sold in Australia by the carrier Telstra. This version is compatible with AT&T's 3G network in most part of the US, but it is not compatible with T-Mobile USA's 3G network.

tsekh501 said:
You are on T-Mobile USA right?
Sorry but there is NO version of HTC Desire that is compatible with T-Mobile USA 3G network. No, T-Mobile in Europe does not use the same 3G bands for 3G as T-Mobile USA, so even if the phone was sold with a T-Mobile (Europe) logo on it it won't have 3G in the US.
Currently there are TWO hardware versions of the HTC Desire. The first one, A8181, is the one that is sold in Europe and Asia, and this one does not have 3G in the US. The second one, A8183, is sold in Australia by the carrier Telstra. This version is compatible with AT&T's 3G network in most part of the US, but it is not compatible with T-Mobile USA's 3G network.
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Yeah .. i am T-Mobile US
and my phone is the first one A8181 i bought it from UK . Anyways this mean NO DESIRE work 3G in USA . Thats sucks

NICEGYPT said:
Yeah .. i am T-Mobile US
and my phone is the first one A8181 i bought it from UK . Anyways this mean NO DESIRE work 3G in USA . Thats sucks
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There is, as I said above, the A8183. It works only with AT&T's 3G though.

i have the A8183 And works fine on at&t 3g i will sell if you are interested or anyone for that matter..
$550

NICEGYPT said:
Yeah .. i am T-Mobile US
and my phone is the first one A8181 i bought it from UK . Anyways this mean NO DESIRE work 3G in USA . Thats sucks
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You will find that very, very few "worldwide" GSM phones will work with T-Mobile US's 3G due to the split 1700/2100 AWS band that TMo US uses.
Ironically though, you can take a TMo US phone out of the US and it will happily talk 3G to most other non-US GSM networks.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
You will find that very, very few "worldwide" GSM phones will work with T-Mobile US's 3G due to the split 1700/2100 AWS band that TMo US uses.
Ironically though, you can take a TMo US phone out of the US and it will happily talk 3G to most other non-US GSM networks.
Regards,
Dave
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Most Europe/Asian carriers only use 2100 band for 3G, so as long as your phone supports that band (most GSM phones do) you can get 3G on their network.
T-Mobile USA on the other hand, requires BOTH 1700 & 2100 bands support in order for your phone to get 3G on their network. For a long time, T-Mobile USA was the ONLY carrier in the world that use 1700 band for 3G, and therefore if a phone was not carried by T-Mobile USA it didn't have 1700 3G band support (it doesn't need to because no other carrier in the world used it). Well, lately a new Canadian wireless carrier, Wind, also employs the 1700 & 2100 bands for their 3G network... so the chance of getting more phones to support these 3G bands has slightly increased. Slightly, because Wind is a new and small carrier...

[Q] International Desire, American 3g?

I'm moving to the U.S. (california if that matters) in a couple of weeks and it's time for me to buy a desire. Being from Sweden I'm used to having great 3g service and use it well. What happens if i buy the phone here (not a U.S. specific model) and bring it overseas? Will 3g work? If so, can I choose from any carrier?

Woppe said:
I'm moving to the U.S. (california if that matters) in a couple of weeks and it's time for me to buy a desire. Being from Sweden I'm used to having great 3g service and use it well. What happens if i buy the phone here (not a U.S. specific model) and bring it overseas? Will 3g work? If so, can I choose from any carrier?
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No it won't - a European Desire won't give you 3G on any US Network.
Regards,
Dave

Woppe said:
I'm moving to the U.S. (california if that matters) in a couple of weeks and it's time for me to buy a desire. Being from Sweden I'm used to having great 3g service and use it well. What happens if i buy the phone here (not a U.S. specific model) and bring it overseas? Will 3g work? If so, can I choose from any carrier?
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it all depends on which carrier you use. I have ATT and I bought my Telstra (made for AUZ) that uses the same band for 3g as ATT does and I get great 3g in SO CAL.
if you buy one in Sweden it will not work on 3g here. You can buy one from US Cellular and it will work here but they don't have that great of coverage. You can buy a EVO from Sprint, but you won't have a sim card.
If you buy a Telstra for the US it will work in Sweden (not sure about 3g) but you will have 3g in US on ATT when you get here. I bought my from here

Thank you, that was helpful information!
Is a Desire using the 850MHz band what I need?

Woppe said:
Thank you, that was helpful information!
Is a Desire using the 850MHz band what I need?
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yes, the 850 will work on ATT 3g

I'm going to Florida on holiday next year. I intended on buying a prepaid sim for my Desire (from Orange, debranded and unlocked). I did intend using 3G if it were available but after reading some of these posts I'm now unsure this will work.
Much appreciated if anyone could give me any advice.
Many thanks.

or8it said:
I'm going to Florida on holiday next year. I intended on buying a prepaid sim for my Desire (from Orange, debranded and unlocked). I did intend using 3G if it were available but after reading some of these posts I'm now unsure this will work.
Much appreciated if anyone could give me any advice.
Many thanks.
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if you have an EUR desire it will not work on 3g in the US, it has different bands. it will work for Edge. If the phone's bandwidth (networks) don't match the carrier's it does not matter what sim card you have. Most EUR world phone's will work in US but just not on 3g, it must be same bandwidth.
if you must have 3g for your hoilday then you are better buying a prepaid phone, but that won't be a Desire

Thanks for explanation, very helpful.

Hi!
Type *#*#4636#*#* in dial pad, you will get to a screen where some information and hidden settings placed in; then tap on the first item which is "telephone information", and there press "menu" button, here in the android menu the first item is "select radio-band"! when you choose this menu option you will see a list of GSM/UMTS radio-band alternatives; Automatic, EURO, USA, JAPAN, AUS, AUS2 bands"
Well I'm not expert on this particular issue, just wondering what these radio-band options are for(?) Maybe you can change your Desire's radio band to USA band and try if it works in the USA (appreciate if you supply feedback whether or not it really works)
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

You can't change bands that's hardware related, its cheaper to buy a TELUS desire, it has 850, 1900 bands
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htc fan89 said:
You can't change bands that's hardware related, its cheaper to buy a TELUS desire, it has 850, 1900 bands
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Unfortunately when the Telus Desire goes back to Sweden, it won't have 3G.
The US Cellular Desire won't work in Sweden at all since there's no CDMA carrier.
If it weren't so hard now to get a Nexus One I'd suggest that to you. Both version support Euro 3G and you'd use it on AT&T or T-Mobile in the US depending on which version you acquire.
The problem is, as far as I know, there are no tri-band 3G HTC Desires. There is 850/1900 (Telus), 850/2100 (Telstra) and 900/2100 (Euro). So Telstra is the only one that gives you some compromise of 3G on both continents.
On the other hand I'm pretty sure all the GSM North American Samsung Galaxy S phones (Bell Vibrant, AT&T Captivate, T-Mobile Vibrant) support the Euro 2100 band.

Work on AT&T 3G Network?

Hi,
Just bought the Desire Z online form Plemix.com at this link
http://www.plemix.com/phone-htc-desire_z-phone
Is states no 3G in US, but when I go to this link it looks like no problemo
http://pocketnow.com/android/pre-order-the-desire-z-with-att-3g
So which is it?
Anyone offer some insight, since i am freakin right now for $550 not certain I can get my AT&T service to work like I need on the Desire Z?
Thanks in advance,
malloy0

Well thanks to kaschenberg over in the Aria forum...
As it turned out the Plemix phone in the link above was no good to AT&T. So I called Plemix customer service, spoke with Paul and they canceled the order. WOW! They are in Hong Kong. Talk about service.
So now ordered the phone at this link
http://www.newayci.com/detail/1220/H..._DESIRE_Z_NAM/
for AT&T 3G use, the key being these frequencies are needed...
2G Network: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network: HSDPA 850 / 1900
The Desire Z at Plemix did not meet this. Shame on me for not doing more homework, but honestly, thought I did.
Again THANK YOU kaschenberg!

I'm glad we could help

on a related note, the version that suppose to work with AT&T is A7275 and other is A7272. I unfortunately have the latter.
Are the difference physical or can it (A7272) be rooted and flashed with a different rom that allows for the US AT&T 3G?

IGTXDA said:
on a related note, the version that suppose to work with AT&T is A7275 and other is A7272. I unfortunately have the latter.
Are the difference physical or can it (A7272) be rooted and flashed with a different rom that allows for the US AT&T 3G?
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The band frequencies are factory set and cannot be altered, so your stuck with what you've got

then it's futile to try and mess with the roms or the radio then. guess I gotta get a 7275................

[Q] G2 3g on AT&T?

If i unlock my G2 using gfree or anyother method will i still have my 3G when i switch it to AT&T from T-Mobile? does anyone know of any problems with signal and what not when it gets unlocked? thanks.

Army_Spec_Ops said:
If i unlock my G2 using gfree or anyother method will i still have my 3G when i switch it to AT&T from T-Mobile? does anyone know of any problems with signal and what not when it gets unlocked? thanks.
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You will only be to access 2G/edge data speeds, no 3G connectivity since AT&T uses different 3G bands.. assuming you are currently using a T-Mobile G2 with the carrier T-Mobile... :?
You won't have any signal issues unless AT&T has horrible coverage where you live.

you will not change anything hardware related... you just unlock/root your phone which allows you to modify hardware and software related things. But if you don't touch the antenna software then nothing will change
@CaliBoyPhillip; when I was in the states my phone switched from AT&T and T-Mobile all the time (roaming) and still had 3g reception, the phone supports most frequencies.

no im currently using a Aria with AT&T but im getting the G2 or the G2X tomorrow. and ok so i wont lose my 3G?

Army_Spec_Ops said:
no im currently using a Aria with AT&T but im getting the G2 or the G2X tomorrow. and ok so i wont lose my 3G?
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G2x will work with At&ts 3g/4g. As for G2 I was told it doesn't support the 3g/4g from at&t. Remember the buy out isn't final yet.
Sent from my HTC Desire Z/G2 using XDA Premium App

SnowOokami said:
you will not change anything hardware related... you just unlock/root your phone which allows you to modify hardware and software related things. But if you don't touch the antenna software then nothing will change
@CaliBoyPhillip; when I was in the states my phone switched from AT&T and T-Mobile all the time (roaming) and still had 3g reception, the phone supports most frequencies.
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hmmm Interesting... it was prob due to the reason that you were roaming but if he uses an AT&T SIM on his SIM unlocked G2 from T-Mobile, he won't have 3G access I think... The G2 runs on 850/900/1800/1900 for edge and 1700/2100 radio for 3G data, meanwhile AT&T operates on 850/1900 for EDGE and 850/1900 for 3G.... not compatible !
EDIT: source for the bands ATT uses for 3G gotten from here.. http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=14003

CaliBoyPhillip said:
hmmm Interesting... it was prob due to the reason that you were roaming but if he uses an AT&T SIM on his SIM unlocked G2 from T-Mobile, he won't have 3G access I think... The G2 runs on 850/900/1800/1900 for edge and 1700/2100 radio for 3G data, meanwhile AT&T operates on 850/1900 for EDGE and 850/1900 for 3G.... not compatible !
EDIT: source for the bands ATT uses for 3G gotten from here.. http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=14003
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THis is correct. The G2 WILL NOT work with ATT 3G. If you want 3G you need to purchase the NAM (North American Model) of the Desire Z. It is sold in Canada on the Bell Network. You can find it online unlocked and unbranded and it WILL work on ATT no problem. It is going to cost you though, 450-550 depending where you get it.

Same reason iphone won't connect to tmobile 3g...amazing people still don't understand this
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ok so stupid question but im gonna ask it anyways lol is there anything that i can do to make it work with 3G if i dont want to buy the desire z?

Not unless you know how and which chipset to replace on the board. Ie not possible.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

Army_Spec_Ops said:
ok so stupid question but im gonna ask it anyways lol is there anything that i can do to make it work with 3G if i dont want to buy the desire z?
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Nope, the phone's hardware is what decides what bands it can use.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2

Get a desire Z from rodgers Canada the 3g bands are the same

To bad radio isn't software
It's to bad that phones don't have the radio frequencies programmable in software (much like an fm radio). Is that even possible?