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Apps Space Confusion!!!

Hi folks,
I thought this phone had like 500MB odd for apps storage?
I've just checked my space left on internal memory and its like 18MB.... thought this is strange.
Installed Linda File Manager, under Applications it says 133M / 147M - 90%
A big WTF???? What is going on here????
This is what I expected with my Hero, but the Desire? Something has to be wrong.

Where do you think Android OS resides? it takes most of the space.
the allowable rom for apps is a little above 100MB

irkan said:
Where do you think Android OS resides? it takes most of the space.
the allowable rom for apps is a little above 100MB
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Arf!!! Thought it would be more than that. Sheesh!!!
I have 150MB spare on my Hero.

I don't see a problem here. When I was still on G1, I had 256 MB partition for APPS2SD and I never went over 100 MB.
Of course, that depends on everyone's personal use case.

irkan said:
Where do you think Android OS resides? it takes most of the space.
the allowable rom for apps is a little above 100MB
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I believe this is wrong although I've had very busy weekend and had no time to look into it.
I think android OS in the 512MB ROM. I think the reason the RAM is nearly full from the word go is that it is full of Sence UI and the apps that HTC has installed. Most of these can't be uninstalled, yet.

I'm confused: are we talking about ROM - where Android OS, Sense UI, apps, etc are stored, or RAM - "working" memory?
I also have ~100+ MB of RAM left and I totally forgot that total amount is over 500 MB.
But then coming back to G1, it had 192 MB of RAM and I never had more than 30 free.

So basically the Rom, Sense UI, and all the HTC apps / widgets take up 350MB?
Wtf!! Way to go HTC, tout 512MB rom and then leave you with 150MB.
Can't wait to root this phone now.

Let's hope Android 2.2 or 3.0 supports Apps on SD and HTC will port it.
~100Mb Free Space only with preinstalled HTC Apps and Android is not very much

seems like i dont understand something
is it not possible to install the apps onto a memory card?! does rooting allow to do that?

Arthur Hucksake said:
So basically the Rom, Sense UI, and all the HTC apps / widgets take up 350MB?
Wtf!! Way to go HTC, tout 512MB rom and then leave you with 150MB.
Can't wait to root this phone now.
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No you have definitely misunderstood.
The ROM is 512MB
The RAM is 576MB
Android is in the ROM You don't have access to the ROM through any file explorer (may be possible once rooted). It wont be long before the device is rooted (hopefully) and then custom ROMs can be used and it may even be possible to reduce the size of the ROM and increase the size of the RAM.
Sence UI and apps (HTC or otherwise) are in the RAM. Once we have root acccess it should be fairly easy to place apps on the SD card by using symbolic links to fool the OS into believing that an EXT2 partition on the SD card is the app storage on the phone ram. This is all still to come but I still have a 1.5GB EXT2 partition on my SD card from when it was in my G1 which I will use for this purpose once root has been achieved (you will probably need to create one, I'm not going into detail about how to do this until the device has been rooted)

cez10 said:
seems like i dont understand something
is it not possible to install the apps onto a memory card?! does rooting allow to do that?
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In theory, once rooted, YES! (you posted while I was typing!)

farnsbarns said:
No you have definitely misunderstood.
The ROM is 512MB
The RAM is 576MB
Android is in the ROM You don't have access to the ROM though any file explorer (may be possible once rooted). It wont be long before the device is rooted (hopefully) and then custom ROMs can be used and it may even be possible to reduce the size of the ROM and increase the size of the RAM.
Sence UI and apps (HTC or otherwise) are in the RAM. Once we have root acccess it should be fairly easy to place apps on the SD card by using symbolic links to fool the OS into believing that an EXT2 partition on the SD card is the app storage on the phone ram. This is all still to come but I still have a 1.5GB EXT2 partition on my SD card from when it was in my G1 which I will use for this purpose once root has been achieved (you will probably need to create one, I'm not going into detail about how to do this until the device has been rooted)
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Right, now I get you.
It all becomes clear. lol
I used AP2SD on my Hero, but from what I have heard I fear we won't be able to root the Desire at all.

Arthur Hucksake said:
Right, now I get you.
It all becomes clear. lol
I used AP2SD on my Hero, but from what I have heard I fear we won't be able to root the Desire at all.
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What have you heard to suggest rooting is impossible?

Ok .. i was about to preorder Desire for myself.. but this thing holds me back a lil now.. whats the point having alot of apps in the market while u can install about 3-5 apps on your phone coz of pathetic storage space..? sure once theres a chance to root your device u can get rid of this thing.. but what about ppl which wont root their device.. as im still not sure about root aswell..
PS: i always had just WinMo devices.. and im sick of it already.. especially after i saw WP7 i hate MS.. so android is the only way for me.. have to learn alot about this OS .. dont have it yet.. but already love it..

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In theory, once rooted, YES! (you posted while I was typing!)
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whats the point of having a memory card then if you cant install any apps on it :|
can I download the apps onto the card though? and same with music files etc?
how big are the apps in average? 5mb? or more?

barakoas said:
whats the point having alot of apps in the market while u can install about 3-5 apps on your phone coz of pathetic storage space..?
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With over 100Mb Free Space you should be able to install at least 30-50 Apps (or at least 10Games). Most Apps are <1Mbyte. (Biggest Software i know is Copilot takes ~ 10Mbytes)
Don't think that you get serious problems here.

Ok that sounds quite fair.. but still.. well im App/game maniac

cez10 said:
whats the point of having a memory card then if you cant install any apps on it :|
can I download the apps onto the card though? and same with music files etc?
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I agree there, you can't save apps on it, you can't install apps on it, so what the heck is benefit of having it in ur phone then, why Google won't give this feature/option 2 install on MemCard?
Or why the heck they don't make phones memory any bigger so that we don't have 2 worry about it.. I mean if they raise built-in memory to 1GB or big it's not gonna bring the price of phone 2 double, I guess it's gonna be only few quids more...

Arthur Hucksake said:
Right, now I get you.
It all becomes clear. lol
I used AP2SD on my Hero, but from what I have heard I fear we won't be able to root the Desire at all.
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It WILL be rooted, it's just a matter of time. Probably just days in fact, knowing all the talent round here!

well theres an option to wait on Samsung Galaxy S.. which will have 8Gig internal memory and lovely hardware specs.. but meh its samsung which have crappy UI and support.. grr there always must be some BUT...

An experiment...

So we've got root access. Awesome. Everyone has been looking forward to installing apps to their SD card as well as other neat tricks.
Well, I haven't.
I hate to be the buzz killer but there is a fundamental flaw with the way apps are installed and uninstalled that means even moving them to a spacious SD card is not solving the problem.
Before I go rooting the phone and hacking as a way to eliminate some of the more annoying problems with Android, we need to first distinguish between bugs, technical limitations and poor implementation. Not allowing installs to the SD card out of the box is a technical limitation...Apps2sd creates a Linux partition on your SD but it's not ideal.
But that's neither here nor there. I'm not here to discuss the reletive merits of rooting or using apps2sd. What I want is the underlying code to work properly before I go hacking. It doesn't matter if we only have 100mb of space or 2GB for apps. If I install a 2mb app and them remove it I want the WHOLE 2mb back.
This morning news of the pre release alpha of Fennec (mobile Firefox) was announced. I attempted to install it but there was only 25mb of space on my phone. Apparently this is a BIG install and needed about 39mb. Anyway long story short, it didn't work. No matter how much space I cleared (up to 40.89mb at one point) it still told me I didn't have enough space.
So now I have a phone with 40mb of space and I had to clear out some unused apps to get there...I also cleared out my IM app, Nimbuzz, which I DO use. So I figure I'd install it again...but I'm thinking, it was big! Over 4mb installed. I figure I'll look for a smaller lighter app. I try Meego. Nice, small, but no Skype chat. So I uninstall and try Fring. Nice, has Skype...but no Facebook. The only one with the features I want is Nimbuzz. So I uninstall Fring. Two apps installed. Two apps removed. I look at my space. 35mb.
5mb has seemingly vanished into nothing!!! Meego was only about 500kb. Fring about 1.5mb. Where did all that space go?!?
I reset and there's no difference.
So to my experiment. I needed to verify the space suck bug.
Reset phone. I'm starting with 39.89mb.
Install Robo Defence Free. It's advertised as 1.25mb.
Reset phone. 38.02mb. I've used up 1.87mb with that install. According to App Manager Robo Defence is using up 1.41mb.
Uninstall Robo Defence. 38.18mb. Restart. final = 39.42mb.
In just one app install and removal, I've lost 0.47mb
Why? What has used that space?
Despite having 40mb of space this morning when attempting to install Fennec, I have since removed Nimbuzz, Shopper, Robo Defence, Poker, Layar, and Google Translate and I've not gotten back up to 40mb.
Can someone tell me what the hell is going on?

Yeah this is a major worry.
I hope someone can get to the bottom of it...

Try going to settings - applications - manage applications then hit menu and choose sort by size. This should show you the biggest space hog. My guess is that the browser and/or market caches are getting big as you're browsing for these apps. You can press on market and there will be a button to clear the cache, same for internet.
Hope this helps

Nope, that didn't even dent it. This is a real bother.

Have you tried to delete the cache and the data of the application before uninstalling it ?
Under settings/applications/manage applications when you choose an app you can see the size of the application but also the size of the data and the size of the cache. Maybe uninstalling an app don't remove at least the data and/or cache...

Guy's, honestly... You are looking far to deep into this and the word "control freak" comes to mind..
Enjoy your phone and dont quibble over 0.47MB when you have 32gb to play with. A massive thanks to Paul for getting us this root in the first place, we now have options to do anything we want with the phone.
Worry if your phone cannot be used, yes
But worring over small, irrelivant problems will just lower your enjoyment of this beast! Take a chill pill and enjoy that wee can now install apps on the sd card and are not limited to space
Cheers Paul))))
JD

JupiterDroid said:
dont quibble over 0.47MB when you have 32gb to play with.
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What about those of us who don't plan to root? I think the OP's point here was that this is an issue and rooting isn't really a solution for a lot of people.

Why would you not root? I dont see why you would not open your phone up to obvious advantages and extra app's, especially when these apps have the potential to extend battery life and volume levels, two of which we know with the Desire are pretty dire.
JD

Perfect volume and 2 days battery here mate
I'd only root for A2SD, but might see if Google sort it themselves first as I don't use a lot of apps anyway - it's just a phone after all

JupiterDroid said:
Guy's, honestly... You are looking far to deep into this and the word "control freak" comes to mind..
Enjoy your phone and dont quibble over 0.47MB when you have 32gb to play with. A massive thanks to Paul for getting us this root in the first place, we now have options to do anything we want with the phone.
Worry if your phone cannot be used, yes
But worring over small, irrelivant problems will just lower your enjoyment of this beast! Take a chill pill and enjoy that wee can now install apps on the sd card and are not limited to space
Cheers Paul))))
JD
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First installing to SD slows down your apps noticeably. It's not ideal. It's the best solution we have RIGHT NOW, but don't mistake that for being a good thing.
I'm not quibbling over 0.45mb. If you reread I LOST 5mb! That's enough space for a few apps, no?
My point being that up until now this clear bug (losing data that doesn't seem to be associated with an app so is therefore not counted in it's cache and is not cleared) has been ignored by throwing SD space at it. That's foolish.

Well i get just over 1.5 days battery life and volume is not too bad for me, but i would like the music volume to be louder Also the main thin gthe root would mean for me is that i could get the Nexus rom on to my Desire and hopefully get a quick update to Froyo Because lets face it, how long are we going to wait for HTC to update sense???
JD

Don't like stock Android - I'm happy with Sense!
But enough thread hijacking!!

So you will be happy to wait 6 months for HTC to update Sense to intergrate with Froyo? (based on past updates, eg.. Hero, which is still on 1.6)?? I can understand your point, but sense for me is just a waste of screen space
The only reason i bought the desire was because of the slightly more RAM and actual buttons instead of touchscreen buttons Sense isnt a real big must for me
JD

Well, yeah! The Desire as it is does exactly what I want it to out the box. I had to cook my own ROM for my HD2 to get it working as I want but this just works!!
I prefer the eye candy of Sense, stock Android is boring and I hate using garish themes...if I feel the need to root it I will but as it is I have no need to

Very true mate Well i hope they have a frozen youghut ready for you apon release
JD

Guys, take it somewhere else eh.

Aitese said:
So we've got root access. Awesome. Everyone has been looking forward to installing apps to their SD card as well as other neat tricks.
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same here. I've two Desire, installed exactly the same apps and had a difference of 12 mb afterwards. I tried to delete every cache a.s.o, still a difference of 5 mb.. reboot .. nothing changed. Next day -> reboot again -> 2 mb difference? No clue what's exactly going on with the rom.
@sense: I bought the desire cause i thought it can't be worse than the nexus one cause if i don't like sense, just install launcher2 and deactivate it. What i did not know: HTC just removed some stock android applications and integrated their crappy apps, and in addition they implement some features i want to REMOVE, i do not want to see them anymore (f.e. flickr.. why flickr? this is android/google, i want a picasa button!, tweet, stocks a.s.o... no uninstall option).
I need root to get rid of the things i don´t like.

I did say sorry for it - he's the one coming back at me!!
I'll leave it now mate, my 2p though, I personally don't care about the memory - if it gets to a point when I do I'll hard reset and start again. Probably just needs the Android equivalent of a defrag!!

Have done two hard resets (not for this reason) and my memory was lower after each - something to do with the re-installing of the apps I surmise?

al89nut said:
Have done two hard resets (not for this reason) and my memory was lower after each - something to do with the re-installing of the apps I surmise?
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That's strange. After a hard reset it should have exactly the same memory each time. After all, that's the whole point of a hard reset.
And I must say that the issue raised by OP is very worrying. Installing and then uninstalling applications should give you back the exact same memory as you had before. I can accept residual files on the SD card, but the precious space on the internal flash should definately be fully reclaimed after an uninstall.
If not, there is a fundamental flaw somewhere. If anyone can shed more light on this issue, please do so!

Benefits of rooting SGS i9000

Why should the average user take the risk?

The "Average" user shouldn't in my view. Original firmware is pretty stable so there's no immediate need for custom ROMS or removal of shipped apps.

dan 6a said:
Why should the average user take the risk?
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An average user shouldn't, but it can be fun to have a proper play with the device!
ash99 said:
The "Average" user shouldn't in my view. Original firmware is pretty stable so there's no immediate need for custom ROMS or removal of shipped apps.
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You must admit there's some crap shipped apps installed on it, like most of the Live Wallpaper, widgets and Layar.

damianarnold said:
An average user shouldn't, but it can be fun to have a proper play with the device!
You must admit there's some crap shipped apps installed on it, like most of the Live Wallpaper, widgets and Layar.
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True, but if Average user uninstalls the wrong thing ..... Average user is gonna brick his phone .... Whoops !
But yeah if average user can brush up his technical skills then theres some fun to be had !

ash99 said:
But yeah if average user can brush up his technical skills then theres some fun to be had !
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lOl

For example here in Finland you need to root your Android to get Android Market for example..

It is possible to set the higher priority of some tasks? Like LauncherPro. It would react more responsible when there are another apps running with high cpu usage.
also i would like to set the priority to low of a task which installs applications from market, so the phone is more usable.
Would it be possible?
hope you got my english

rkantos said:
For example here in Finland you need to root your Android to get Android Market for example..
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Are you serious? They don't allow you access to the android market by default?

INeedYourHelp said:
Are you serious? They don't allow you access to the android market by default?
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You only get the free side without rooting.
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For example here in Finland you need to root your Android to get Android Market for example..
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So does Market enabler work on the i9000?

ME works like a charm

What if I root my phone and samsung releases a new firmware.
Can I update the firmware without any issues, and will I still have root after such an upgrade?

If you gained Root with Flashing the csc file from Leshak, you simply dont flash the csc file of the new firmware and you will still have root.

FrezoreR said:
What if I root my phone and samsung releases a new firmware.
Can I update the firmware without any issues, and will I still have root after such an upgrade?
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The way Samsung handles updates is they are released in odin packages. To install these roms that are in these odins packages you must have the odin program that will install it onto your phone. The problem is that this will wipe out all your settings and apps on your phone. You could try using a backup and for your apps and settings but they don't always work when your upgrading.
Also in regards to the initial question remember you wont have wifi-tether or a huge choice of custom roms (no sense roms, no early Froyo roms). Those two reasons alone have drawn me away from Samsung. I would rather get a HTC Aria then this locked down phone.

psychoace said:
The way Samsung handles updates is they are released in odin packages. To install these roms that are in these odins packages you must have the odin program that will install it onto your phone. The problem is that this will wipe out all your settings and apps on your phone. You could try using a backup and for your apps and settings but they don't always work when your upgrading.
Also in regards to the initial question remember you wont have wifi-tether or a huge choice of custom roms (no sense roms, no early Froyo roms). Those two reasons alone have drawn me away from Samsung. I would rather get a HTC Aria then this locked down phone.
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What? No custom roms?? Why not!? :|
Still I really love this phone, think I'll get it anyway. Little bit sad that we cannot get custom roms, are you 100% sure of this?

No I said you won't get a huge choice of custom roms. Every Rom will be based off of what Samsung releases
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What? That doesn't make sense. There are already custom roms for the galaxy s. And they are in the form of an update.zip
It looks like samsung has released a real customizable device, easily rooted and a recovery that allows any update.zip without checking for checksums..
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Laum said:
You only get the free side without rooting.
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Same here in China. We can only view the free contents without rooting our phone.

oxylos said:
It is possible to set the higher priority of some tasks? Like LauncherPro. It would react more responsible when there are another apps running with high cpu usage.
also i would like to set the priority to low of a task which installs applications from market, so the phone is more usable.
Would it be possible?
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Do you mean that we cannot use Launcherpro without rooting the phone? That is a awesome launcher. I think it is even better than there original launcher in the Galaxy S.

lianglqufo said:
Do you mean that we cannot use Launcherpro without rooting the phone? That is a awesome launcher. I think it is even better than there original launcher in the Galaxy S.
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No you can use launcherpro just fine without rooting the phone BUT you won't be able to connect to Kies while launcherpro is set as default. So just use a program like home switcher to temporarily set it back to samsungs launcher if you need to connect to Kies.

Adobe Air

Hi,
I installed Adobe Air a few days ago and now with some stuff that I put in the phone my memory is decreasing
My "silly" question is this: Adobe Air is an application to HAVE in the phone??
Sorry for this question but my knowledge about this is nule

It's useless crap just as it is on your PC... Don't waste storage space with it, flash 10.1 is enough to have.

owziee said:
It's useless crap just as it is on your PC... Don't waste storage space with it, flash 10.1 is enough to have.
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Thanks owziee

Saying it's crap like owziee did is ignorant. You can do very cool stuff with it, but at the moment there barely are applications that need it.

Zhypr said:
Saying it's crap like owziee did is ignorant. You can do very cool stuff with it, but at the moment there barely are applications that need it.
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And to run those few applications we need to have Air installed? Flash 10.1 is not enough?
Thanks

zeka1974 said:
And to run those few applications we need to have Air installed? Flash 10.1 is not enough?
Thanks
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I think you will need Air because Flash 10.1 is just a browser extension. Air allows Flash to run as a native program.

Adobe Air isn't crap by any means, least of all on the PC. Without it, we'd still be stuck with crappy Kontiki for BBC iPlayer, for one.
Right now, Flash 10.1 is pretty awesome, if a little buggy with some sites. If you're low on space, you could probably safely remove Air for the time being, without missing out on anything. But keep an eye out on things. I think we'll see some good things coming via Air soon.

the possibilities of adobe air is just awsomeness some great apps and games are already starting to surface like inkballforandroid KEEP IT

Thanks
Thanks guys
I will see what I would do for the next days.
For now Air will be installed

Oon a related topic, I've got an unlocked desire I bought sim free, so obviously I got the 2.2 OTA upgrade including flash 10.1.
I now notice in marketplace an update for flash (version 10.1.95.2) which takes up 12mb of space on the phone memory and seems to screw up flash functionality in websites, e.g. videos on bbc news website.
Anyone else installed/not installed this?

I'm starting to not like this phone

It seems like there's literally no internal storage. Does anyone know exactly how much it is? I have about 10 mb of email, 15 mb of Facebook data, 20 mb of contact storage, and about 5-6 applications installed that are over 1 mb, and somehow the little "Low Space" notification keeps popping up. I already uninstalled so many apps and right now I'm down to the essentials plus 2 games. It's annoying and I don't understand why the internal storage is so low that you can't even install more than 2 apps without it going crazy. My Hero never had this problem and I have 20-30 apps installed on there plus 3 email accounts and I never once saw the "Low Space" notification.

App2SD? Clear cache?

So, youre complaining about an issue that everyone on any Android has if they havent rooted?

Upgrade to Froyo
Move Apllication´s to SD
be happy

It's the biggest problem on all android phones. It's being fixed (if you have group 2.2 youll notice an improvement). But the best solution so far seems to be root. Read into it, and Google things like apps2sd.
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Problem is, at least in my case, most of the apps just don't support installing in SD, like Google maps, Adobe reader, Gmail or even YouTube apps. No use of being in Froyo then.
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pramitroy said:
Problem is, at least in my case, most of the apps just don't support installing in SD, like Google maps, Adobe reader, Gmail or even YouTube apps. No use of being in Froyo then.
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Then Root your phone and use apps2sd!
Make a 1 gig ext3 partition and you have lots of space!

Lets be honest, though. You shouldn't have to root to make your phone do something that should be standard on Android. Not everyone will want to invalidate their warranty

EddyOS said:
Lets be honest, though. You shouldn't have to root to make your phone do something that should be standard on Android. Not everyone will want to invalidate their warranty
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Oh please, quit *****ing. Root process is reversible.
rpimps > bottom line : use the tools available.

phentex said:
Oh please, quit *****ing. Root process is reversible.
rpimps > bottom line : use the tools available.
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Mate, stfu - I've rooted and know full well it's reversible. Was just stating that we shouldn't HAVE to do it, it should be standard. Apple managed to do it with the iPhone so why can't anyone else...you telling me that someone who's not that computer literate** should have to root their phone just to install some more apps??
**NOT saying the OP isn't computer literate, btw

EddyOS said:
Mate, stfu - I've rooted and know full well it's reversible. Was just stating that we shouldn't HAVE to do it, it should be standard. Apple managed to do it with the iPhone so why can't anyone else...you telling me that someone who's not that computer literate** should have to root their phone just to install some more apps??
**NOT saying the OP isn't computer literate, btw
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No no, please don't give Apple credit, Iphone have loads more internal memory than any android device which relies on "external" SD storage. If iphones worked the same way, this limitation would be advertised as a freaking "feature"
Ok so we shouldn't HAVE to do it, but I fully understand Google taking time to think things out. Just plainly installing on the SDcard (i.e. copying apk packages) with no piracy preventing measures is not viable. The froyo way is already a nice step forward. If you want full control, well at least you DO get the opportunity to take full control of your phone through rooting and apps2sd.
Please don't compare to iphone which still doesn't even know what file browsing is

That's what I meant about the iPhone doing it, Apple got it right by cramming the iPhone with internal memory!!! HTC could've easily done the same
Agree with the 'feature' pun, though

Hm, even in my unrooted, old 2.1 days i had more than a few apps installed. 20 MB of Contacts?? How many do you have... a million?
Sorry, even without app2sd i had 30+ apps installed.
Btw, rooting is so easy... Right now i have about 50 apps installed and 105 MB free space.

Hey dude,
I wouldn't advise just rooting your phone on the spur, research it first...
Also upgrade to Froyo, then you get to trnsfer your apps, if thats not enough then download App2sd and if thats not enough then clear cache and if thats not enough delete some apps that you never really use.
Finally IF thats not enough, sell your phone and buy something else...

Sibbi said:
Hm, even in my unrooted, old 2.1 days i had more than a few apps installed. 20 MB of Contacts?? How many do you have... a million?
Sorry, even without app2sd i had 30+ apps installed.
Btw, rooting is so easy... Right now i have about 50 apps installed and 105 MB free space.
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HTC's Quietly Brilliant Contacts management downloads your friend's Google pictures, Facebook pictures and Twitter pictures. Ta-da, magically lost memory.
kalfou said:
Hey dude,
I wouldn't advise just rooting your phone on the spur, research it first...
Also upgrade to Froyo, then you get to trnsfer your apps, if thats not enough then download App2sd and if thats not enough then clear cache and if thats not enough delete some apps that you never really use.
Finally IF thats not enough, sell your phone and buy something else...
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Totally agree that you shouldn't just root without understanding the whole process and what it means. I was troubleshooting two other users that nearly bricked their Desires by rooting improperly.
But back to the OP's comments, I was like him. I rooted because I was running out of space to install apps

same here i struggled with performance when my internal got full even with force 2 SD
i finally gave up and rooted my device, never looked back
a reminder: if you want to root and install a2sd make sure it's done with a full wipe

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It seems like there's literally no internal storage. Does anyone know exactly how much it is? I have about 10 mb of email, 15 mb of Facebook data, 20 mb of contact storage, and about 5-6 applications installed that are over 1 mb, and somehow the little "Low Space" notification keeps popping up. I already uninstalled so many apps and right now I'm down to the essentials plus 2 games. It's annoying and I don't understand why the internal storage is so low that you can't even install more than 2 apps without it going crazy. My Hero never had this problem and I have 20-30 apps installed on there plus 3 email accounts and I never once saw the "Low Space" notification.
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Still and always will be better than a iPhone so be happy
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The Desire is way better than the iPhone. Only thing that keeps people going back to iPhone - is cause they used to it - they don't know what they are missing. iPhone can't take SD card......iPhone SUCKS !!!!!!

Dya know what gets to me? Idiots that spend hundreds of pounds on a device without even researching the device specification, only to end up creating pointless threads, not because there is anything wrong with the device just because they didnt educate themselves about what they were about to buy, any google search will show the desire has a total rom of 500mb, knowing that the system, cache, radio and recovery partitions were going to take a sizeable chunk of that, i fully expected about 150mb of internal storage so i wasnt disapointed
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Rizla-xda said:
The Desire is way better than the iPhone. Only thing that keeps people going back to iPhone - is cause they used to it - they don't know what they are missing. iPhone can't take SD card......iPhone SUCKS !!!!!!
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Well that was a fail of a statement. It sucks because of no micro SD card...I'd rather have internal memory as it's quicker to access anyway. One reason why HD videos on the iPhone are so good. But in the end they are both phones nothing to argue over. Both have good and bad points it's all opinion.