It seems like there's literally no internal storage. Does anyone know exactly how much it is? I have about 10 mb of email, 15 mb of Facebook data, 20 mb of contact storage, and about 5-6 applications installed that are over 1 mb, and somehow the little "Low Space" notification keeps popping up. I already uninstalled so many apps and right now I'm down to the essentials plus 2 games. It's annoying and I don't understand why the internal storage is so low that you can't even install more than 2 apps without it going crazy. My Hero never had this problem and I have 20-30 apps installed on there plus 3 email accounts and I never once saw the "Low Space" notification.
App2SD? Clear cache?
So, youre complaining about an issue that everyone on any Android has if they havent rooted?
Upgrade to Froyo
Move Apllication´s to SD
be happy
It's the biggest problem on all android phones. It's being fixed (if you have group 2.2 youll notice an improvement). But the best solution so far seems to be root. Read into it, and Google things like apps2sd.
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Problem is, at least in my case, most of the apps just don't support installing in SD, like Google maps, Adobe reader, Gmail or even YouTube apps. No use of being in Froyo then.
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pramitroy said:
Problem is, at least in my case, most of the apps just don't support installing in SD, like Google maps, Adobe reader, Gmail or even YouTube apps. No use of being in Froyo then.
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Then Root your phone and use apps2sd!
Make a 1 gig ext3 partition and you have lots of space!
Lets be honest, though. You shouldn't have to root to make your phone do something that should be standard on Android. Not everyone will want to invalidate their warranty
EddyOS said:
Lets be honest, though. You shouldn't have to root to make your phone do something that should be standard on Android. Not everyone will want to invalidate their warranty
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Oh please, quit *****ing. Root process is reversible.
rpimps > bottom line : use the tools available.
phentex said:
Oh please, quit *****ing. Root process is reversible.
rpimps > bottom line : use the tools available.
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Mate, stfu - I've rooted and know full well it's reversible. Was just stating that we shouldn't HAVE to do it, it should be standard. Apple managed to do it with the iPhone so why can't anyone else...you telling me that someone who's not that computer literate** should have to root their phone just to install some more apps??
**NOT saying the OP isn't computer literate, btw
EddyOS said:
Mate, stfu - I've rooted and know full well it's reversible. Was just stating that we shouldn't HAVE to do it, it should be standard. Apple managed to do it with the iPhone so why can't anyone else...you telling me that someone who's not that computer literate** should have to root their phone just to install some more apps??
**NOT saying the OP isn't computer literate, btw
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No no, please don't give Apple credit, Iphone have loads more internal memory than any android device which relies on "external" SD storage. If iphones worked the same way, this limitation would be advertised as a freaking "feature"
Ok so we shouldn't HAVE to do it, but I fully understand Google taking time to think things out. Just plainly installing on the SDcard (i.e. copying apk packages) with no piracy preventing measures is not viable. The froyo way is already a nice step forward. If you want full control, well at least you DO get the opportunity to take full control of your phone through rooting and apps2sd.
Please don't compare to iphone which still doesn't even know what file browsing is
That's what I meant about the iPhone doing it, Apple got it right by cramming the iPhone with internal memory!!! HTC could've easily done the same
Agree with the 'feature' pun, though
Hm, even in my unrooted, old 2.1 days i had more than a few apps installed. 20 MB of Contacts?? How many do you have... a million?
Sorry, even without app2sd i had 30+ apps installed.
Btw, rooting is so easy... Right now i have about 50 apps installed and 105 MB free space.
Hey dude,
I wouldn't advise just rooting your phone on the spur, research it first...
Also upgrade to Froyo, then you get to trnsfer your apps, if thats not enough then download App2sd and if thats not enough then clear cache and if thats not enough delete some apps that you never really use.
Finally IF thats not enough, sell your phone and buy something else...
Sibbi said:
Hm, even in my unrooted, old 2.1 days i had more than a few apps installed. 20 MB of Contacts?? How many do you have... a million?
Sorry, even without app2sd i had 30+ apps installed.
Btw, rooting is so easy... Right now i have about 50 apps installed and 105 MB free space.
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HTC's Quietly Brilliant Contacts management downloads your friend's Google pictures, Facebook pictures and Twitter pictures. Ta-da, magically lost memory.
kalfou said:
Hey dude,
I wouldn't advise just rooting your phone on the spur, research it first...
Also upgrade to Froyo, then you get to trnsfer your apps, if thats not enough then download App2sd and if thats not enough then clear cache and if thats not enough delete some apps that you never really use.
Finally IF thats not enough, sell your phone and buy something else...
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Totally agree that you shouldn't just root without understanding the whole process and what it means. I was troubleshooting two other users that nearly bricked their Desires by rooting improperly.
But back to the OP's comments, I was like him. I rooted because I was running out of space to install apps
same here i struggled with performance when my internal got full even with force 2 SD
i finally gave up and rooted my device, never looked back
a reminder: if you want to root and install a2sd make sure it's done with a full wipe
rpimps said:
It seems like there's literally no internal storage. Does anyone know exactly how much it is? I have about 10 mb of email, 15 mb of Facebook data, 20 mb of contact storage, and about 5-6 applications installed that are over 1 mb, and somehow the little "Low Space" notification keeps popping up. I already uninstalled so many apps and right now I'm down to the essentials plus 2 games. It's annoying and I don't understand why the internal storage is so low that you can't even install more than 2 apps without it going crazy. My Hero never had this problem and I have 20-30 apps installed on there plus 3 email accounts and I never once saw the "Low Space" notification.
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Still and always will be better than a iPhone so be happy
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The Desire is way better than the iPhone. Only thing that keeps people going back to iPhone - is cause they used to it - they don't know what they are missing. iPhone can't take SD card......iPhone SUCKS !!!!!!
Dya know what gets to me? Idiots that spend hundreds of pounds on a device without even researching the device specification, only to end up creating pointless threads, not because there is anything wrong with the device just because they didnt educate themselves about what they were about to buy, any google search will show the desire has a total rom of 500mb, knowing that the system, cache, radio and recovery partitions were going to take a sizeable chunk of that, i fully expected about 150mb of internal storage so i wasnt disapointed
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Rizla-xda said:
The Desire is way better than the iPhone. Only thing that keeps people going back to iPhone - is cause they used to it - they don't know what they are missing. iPhone can't take SD card......iPhone SUCKS !!!!!!
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Well that was a fail of a statement. It sucks because of no micro SD card...I'd rather have internal memory as it's quicker to access anyway. One reason why HD videos on the iPhone are so good. But in the end they are both phones nothing to argue over. Both have good and bad points it's all opinion.
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Hi folks,
I thought this phone had like 500MB odd for apps storage?
I've just checked my space left on internal memory and its like 18MB.... thought this is strange.
Installed Linda File Manager, under Applications it says 133M / 147M - 90%
A big WTF???? What is going on here????
This is what I expected with my Hero, but the Desire? Something has to be wrong.
Where do you think Android OS resides? it takes most of the space.
the allowable rom for apps is a little above 100MB
irkan said:
Where do you think Android OS resides? it takes most of the space.
the allowable rom for apps is a little above 100MB
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Arf!!! Thought it would be more than that. Sheesh!!!
I have 150MB spare on my Hero.
I don't see a problem here. When I was still on G1, I had 256 MB partition for APPS2SD and I never went over 100 MB.
Of course, that depends on everyone's personal use case.
irkan said:
Where do you think Android OS resides? it takes most of the space.
the allowable rom for apps is a little above 100MB
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I believe this is wrong although I've had very busy weekend and had no time to look into it.
I think android OS in the 512MB ROM. I think the reason the RAM is nearly full from the word go is that it is full of Sence UI and the apps that HTC has installed. Most of these can't be uninstalled, yet.
I'm confused: are we talking about ROM - where Android OS, Sense UI, apps, etc are stored, or RAM - "working" memory?
I also have ~100+ MB of RAM left and I totally forgot that total amount is over 500 MB.
But then coming back to G1, it had 192 MB of RAM and I never had more than 30 free.
So basically the Rom, Sense UI, and all the HTC apps / widgets take up 350MB?
Wtf!! Way to go HTC, tout 512MB rom and then leave you with 150MB.
Can't wait to root this phone now.
Let's hope Android 2.2 or 3.0 supports Apps on SD and HTC will port it.
~100Mb Free Space only with preinstalled HTC Apps and Android is not very much
seems like i dont understand something
is it not possible to install the apps onto a memory card?! does rooting allow to do that?
Arthur Hucksake said:
So basically the Rom, Sense UI, and all the HTC apps / widgets take up 350MB?
Wtf!! Way to go HTC, tout 512MB rom and then leave you with 150MB.
Can't wait to root this phone now.
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No you have definitely misunderstood.
The ROM is 512MB
The RAM is 576MB
Android is in the ROM You don't have access to the ROM through any file explorer (may be possible once rooted). It wont be long before the device is rooted (hopefully) and then custom ROMs can be used and it may even be possible to reduce the size of the ROM and increase the size of the RAM.
Sence UI and apps (HTC or otherwise) are in the RAM. Once we have root acccess it should be fairly easy to place apps on the SD card by using symbolic links to fool the OS into believing that an EXT2 partition on the SD card is the app storage on the phone ram. This is all still to come but I still have a 1.5GB EXT2 partition on my SD card from when it was in my G1 which I will use for this purpose once root has been achieved (you will probably need to create one, I'm not going into detail about how to do this until the device has been rooted)
cez10 said:
seems like i dont understand something
is it not possible to install the apps onto a memory card?! does rooting allow to do that?
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In theory, once rooted, YES! (you posted while I was typing!)
farnsbarns said:
No you have definitely misunderstood.
The ROM is 512MB
The RAM is 576MB
Android is in the ROM You don't have access to the ROM though any file explorer (may be possible once rooted). It wont be long before the device is rooted (hopefully) and then custom ROMs can be used and it may even be possible to reduce the size of the ROM and increase the size of the RAM.
Sence UI and apps (HTC or otherwise) are in the RAM. Once we have root acccess it should be fairly easy to place apps on the SD card by using symbolic links to fool the OS into believing that an EXT2 partition on the SD card is the app storage on the phone ram. This is all still to come but I still have a 1.5GB EXT2 partition on my SD card from when it was in my G1 which I will use for this purpose once root has been achieved (you will probably need to create one, I'm not going into detail about how to do this until the device has been rooted)
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Right, now I get you.
It all becomes clear. lol
I used AP2SD on my Hero, but from what I have heard I fear we won't be able to root the Desire at all.
Arthur Hucksake said:
Right, now I get you.
It all becomes clear. lol
I used AP2SD on my Hero, but from what I have heard I fear we won't be able to root the Desire at all.
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What have you heard to suggest rooting is impossible?
Ok .. i was about to preorder Desire for myself.. but this thing holds me back a lil now.. whats the point having alot of apps in the market while u can install about 3-5 apps on your phone coz of pathetic storage space..? sure once theres a chance to root your device u can get rid of this thing.. but what about ppl which wont root their device.. as im still not sure about root aswell..
PS: i always had just WinMo devices.. and im sick of it already.. especially after i saw WP7 i hate MS.. so android is the only way for me.. have to learn alot about this OS .. dont have it yet.. but already love it..
farnsbarns said:
In theory, once rooted, YES! (you posted while I was typing!)
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whats the point of having a memory card then if you cant install any apps on it :|
can I download the apps onto the card though? and same with music files etc?
how big are the apps in average? 5mb? or more?
barakoas said:
whats the point having alot of apps in the market while u can install about 3-5 apps on your phone coz of pathetic storage space..?
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With over 100Mb Free Space you should be able to install at least 30-50 Apps (or at least 10Games). Most Apps are <1Mbyte. (Biggest Software i know is Copilot takes ~ 10Mbytes)
Don't think that you get serious problems here.
Ok that sounds quite fair.. but still.. well im App/game maniac
cez10 said:
whats the point of having a memory card then if you cant install any apps on it :|
can I download the apps onto the card though? and same with music files etc?
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I agree there, you can't save apps on it, you can't install apps on it, so what the heck is benefit of having it in ur phone then, why Google won't give this feature/option 2 install on MemCard?
Or why the heck they don't make phones memory any bigger so that we don't have 2 worry about it.. I mean if they raise built-in memory to 1GB or big it's not gonna bring the price of phone 2 double, I guess it's gonna be only few quids more...
Arthur Hucksake said:
Right, now I get you.
It all becomes clear. lol
I used AP2SD on my Hero, but from what I have heard I fear we won't be able to root the Desire at all.
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It WILL be rooted, it's just a matter of time. Probably just days in fact, knowing all the talent round here!
well theres an option to wait on Samsung Galaxy S.. which will have 8Gig internal memory and lovely hardware specs.. but meh its samsung which have crappy UI and support.. grr there always must be some BUT...
Somehow my space on my phone is very low. I started getting the messages this morning. I wouldn't say that I have a load of applications. No more than I had on my HTC Magic...Is this too much for it to handle?
Here goes;
2010 World Cup
Air Control
AppAware
Astro
Barcode Scanner
BBC News
BeebPlayer
DishPointer Pro
Droidbox Free
Earth
Engadget
F1Android 2010
Facebook
Foursquare
Fring
Gesture Search
Google Sky Map
Hoccer
iGo
KeePassDroid
Listen
Lookout
MapDroyd
Maps
Nimbuzz
Pkt Auctions eBay
Qik
Shareprice
Shazaam
Sky News
Soccer Livescores
Torrent-fu
Twitroid
UK TV Guide
Wave Secure
Zedge
What are my options?
1. Clear cache;
2. Remove some apps;
3. Wait for root + custom ROMs with APPS2SD
I am now wondering ... What is this "cache" ?
Do we really need to clean it periodically?
It would be nice if there is a widget to clean this.
And honestly, I am not impressed with the storage ... 512 RAM seems a lot, but actually it is NOT
I have removed Google earth as it was taking up nearly 22MB which in the grand scheme of things seems to be load of space....
I never understand why they don't a minimum of 1gb internal storage on these devices for apps.
Jabbypants said:
I never understand why they don't a minimum of 1gb internal storage on these devices for apps.
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...or just allow for apps to be installed on a memory card from the first place
Seems like that they [Android OS] have realised that without doing so, they will not be able to have storage hungry things such as games to be installed.
36 as I counted, is normal IMO. But yeah, I really hope that you will be able to install applications on your SD card in the future. Not that I want more apps, but I want BETTER apps (which means they will be more MB's). I remember downloading games for the iPod touch that were over 100 MB. They were also off very high quality.
About not allowing installing apps to SD card: I think the reason why it is not allowed is the following.. if you can install something to your SD card, you can easily share it with other over the internet, right? That will mean people will start downloading apps the 'dirty' way! That's the only reason I see.
But Google is very smart and so far keeps giving everybody what they want. I am sure they will find a solution!
gogol said:
I am now wondering ... What is this "cache" ?
Do we really need to clean it periodically?
It would be nice if there is a widget to clean this.
And honestly, I am not impressed with the storage ... 512 RAM seems a lot, but actually it is NOT
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When you use apps, it stores some files in memory for quicker access later. Downside of it is that it takes-up space. Normally you would not want to clear cache that often, but if you're running out of space it helps.
Unfortunately you can only clear cache for each app one-by-one, but here's an app that might make the process easier http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.cerisierbleu.qac
You can not store any apps on your memory card!
I did not know this
I have low space as well!
I have a game which is 20MB, i do not want to delete it beacuse it is the best game I have.
Is there no way to put it on your memory card?
Raminder1992 said:
You can not store any apps on your memory card!
I did not know this
I have low space as well!
I have a game which is 20MB, i do not want to delete it beacuse it is the best game I have.
Is there no way to put it on your memory card?
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No, you can't put apps on memory card until we have root and get to use cool ROMs like CyanogenMod.
Or until Google adds official support for apps2sd, but I can bet you that root will come first.
the reason why google doesnt allow apps etc to be installed on SD cards is because of security of the system, meaning that through this it would be probably easier to root or hack the device and they re working on some kind of encryption for this, and it will be included in the future update,
someone from this forum posted it somewhere here in this section
I also got low memory on my G1 with Apps2sd. That's because every app stores stuff on the internal memory, the browser cache, google maps cache and so on. My experience showed me that these things are the real memory killer.
cez10 said:
the reason why google doesnt allow apps etc to be installed on SD cards is because of security of the system, meaning that through this it would be probably easier to root or hack the device and they re working on some kind of encryption for this, and it will be included in the future update,
someone from this forum posted it somewhere here in this section
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Google will encrypt that partition of the sdcard so it is secure. IIRC, support for something with the sd card was checked in recently, along with the support for the LED (for the nexus one). I imagine apps2sd is something all android devices will be seeing soon.
Personally, I would be screwed if I couldn't install apps to my sd card on my phone...as stated above, google earth takes up way too much space. Tack on a couple games and a dozen apps? Forget it.
deprecate said:
Google will encrypt that partition of the sdcard so it is secure. IIRC, support for something with the sd card was checked in recently, along with the support for the LED (for the nexus one). I imagine apps2sd is something all android devices will be seeing soon.
Personally, I would be screwed if I couldn't install apps to my sd card on my phone...as stated above, google earth takes up way too much space. Tack on a couple games and a dozen apps? Forget it.
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right. does that mean we wont be able to replace the sd cards unless we 'install' some additional files onto it?
and I think if google wont do this pretty quickly, droid might loose a vast amount of clients, because this is one of the reasons why iphone is so popular.
My mate just told me today he's willing to buy a new phone soon, and when I asked him what phone, he obviously said an iphone why do people always follow the crowd and buy anything that's most advertised :|
cez10 said:
the reason why google doesnt allow apps etc to be installed on SD cards is because of security of the system, meaning that through this it would be probably easier to root or hack the device and they re working on some kind of encryption for this, and it will be included in the future update,
someone from this forum posted it somewhere here in this section
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I thought it was due to the fact that the paid apps wouldn't be secure on the sd card, opening the gate further for app piracy and thus they were working on a solution to allow copy protection on the sd card.
I think this issue just turned me off the Desire and now I'm leaning towards the Nexus 1. I like to install plenty of apps so this could be a real issue for me
All android phones are the same, its just a matter of time before its sorted you can still get plenty of apps on, personally i can't see how anyone would need more than 10.
cez10 said:
right. does that mean we wont be able to replace the sd cards unless we 'install' some additional files onto it?
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not sure to be honest. I would assume that you will be able to mount your sd card and copy all of the contents off the secured/encrypted partition if your machine recognizes that partition type...then again, maybe you won't be able to.
If you upgrade sd cards, you may have to start all over with installing to the sd card. Good question.
and I think if google wont do this pretty quickly, droid might loose a vast amount of clients, because this is one of the reasons why iphone is so popular.
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the iphone is popular for lots of reasons; app support being at the top...but I would imagine the viral advertising and the "everyone has it" thing doesn't hurt.
Funnily enough, Android is almost on as many mobile devices as iphoneOS (according to an admob metric report). So the "everyone has it" argument is about to become a moot point.
My mate just told me today he's willing to buy a new phone soon, and when I asked him what phone, he obviously said an iphone why do people always follow the crowd and buy anything that's most advertised :|
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people want what they know, what they see, what they hear is the best...apple has done an amazing job doing this with their products.
Jabbypants said:
All android phones are the same, its just a matter of time before its sorted you can still get plenty of apps on, personally i can't see how anyone would need more than 10.
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more than 10 apps? Are you trolling?
Don't think i have even got 10 on mine atm and can't think i ever had more on any Android i had so far, hero/milestone.
I think I need help. I think Im loosing memory on my Desire. Like anyone I have installed apps then deleted them. At the moment I have about 20mb something worth of apps installed after receiving as new, but my available memory is at only 56mb.
Where is this going to? Does deleted apps leave something in the memory?
I have tried to clear all caches I found, but 56mb is worrying me. Anyone else with this prob?
Yes, I have found this to be the case. I have about 65 apps installed but I've tried and uninstalled loads more. I backed up my apps and flashed a Generic ROM. Before I started I had about 15MB of space left.
I reinstalled ALL the same apps...and suddenly had about 50MB, with the same apps. I could only conclude old apps I had uninstalled had left loads of rubbish behind.
Im seriously thinking of hard resetting, to confirm the uninstalled apps really leave all the rubbish behind.
Wonder if there is anything else on Android that uses more and more memory...? I tried look around with Astro all the folders, but didnt spot anything. Looks like the phone keeps eating memory just like Windows does...
Firstly, if you're talking about RAM, 56MB is plenty.
Second, Android probably doesn't clear stuff like you think it does. One way to see how much RAM you really have is to just do a soft reset - i.e. turn the phone off and on.
On a fresh restart I have about 200+MB RAM. After a day or a few days, Android will hold it steady at around 35MB. Never really dropping below 9% (for long).
Have you done a soft reset and seen what values you have?
It's under settings, SD card and phone memory. stays about the same after soft reset. I just uninstalled most apps... got about 70mb now. how do u get 200mb??! it is RAM I'm talking about....
do ou have facebook linked with phone contact?
check the app called "contact list" it was 30mb because of that sync for me
jannen said:
It's under settings, SD card and phone memory. stays about the same after soft reset. I just uninstalled most apps... got about 70mb now. how do u get 200mb??! it is RAM I'm talking about....
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Maybe someone can correct me on this, but I'm pretty sure you're talking about ROM. Apps are installed into ROM and when they are run, loaded into RAM.
When I just restarted my phone now, I get 220MB RAM and I have 20MB ROM. The RAM is so high because I obviously have just turned it on and not run anything.
Oh and I have 78 apps installed (including ones that were there from the start). Don't know how many widgets I have though.
LOL you're talking about ROM and not RAM, so Cleargrey is pretty right
Dexil said:
LOL you're talking about ROM and not RAM, so Cleargrey is pretty right
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Up until Cleargrey brought it up no one had made the distinction...we simply referred to phone storage, which is pretty unambiguous. It's only Cleargrey who muddied the waters by bringing up how much free RAM he had...no one had mentioned it up to that point, so who is your LOL actually aimed at?
Sorry for the confusion... I blame XT9 lol. Rom is the word. I don't use Facebook believe or not. I'm on T-Mobile if that explains... think got just over 100mb free when phone was new. certainly not over 200!
If I install copilot now its 20 know... that would leave me with just 30 to install other apps. too little!
Then I think you have just run into the issue that is core to Android currently. You have a limited amount of space to install apps. I can't remember what the number is but it's something like 150MB (ROM).
Android currently only caches to the SD card. So we look to the next Android version to save us!
My issue goes actually further than that... What I ment is when I uninstall an app I have less memory left that when I installed it.
For example let say I have 80Mb free, I install an app of 5mb. Uninstalling it I have 70mb left. Thats the point... the Mbs are just fading away.
jannen said:
For example let say I have 80Mb free, I install an app of 5mb. Uninstalling it I have 70mb left. Thats the point... the Mbs are just fading away.
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Take a look in Settings->Applications->Manage Applications
Lets you see what's hogging the space!
I have a G1 and used to see similar behaviour with K9Mail from the Market - I had a big IMAP Inbox (1000s of messages) and I think K9 stored it's database in ROM/Flash (which is even more limited on the G1).
Can't wait for the Desire - same problems...faster!
mikes69 said:
Take a look in Settings->Applications->Manage Applications
Lets you see what's hogging the space!
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That's not really going to help when the thing taking up the space isn't on that list. That's what he's saying...he installs X app...it supposedly uses Y amount of space. He removes X app and would expect Y amount of space to become available but instead he has Y - 10.
Thanks... thats exactly what I ment. I uninstalled most stuff now.
Seems uninstalling doesnt uninstall everything - leaveing rubbish behind...
I noticed similar issues on other Android users just by Googling, but didnt find any answer to this.
To me looks like in the near future I wont have any memory left and no apps installed. Thats what Im afraid of!
Aitese said:
That's not really going to help when the thing taking up the space isn't on that list. That's what he's saying...he installs X app...it supposedly uses Y amount of space. He removes X app and would expect Y amount of space to become available but instead he has Y - 10.
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Yes, may just be a bug (don't have one yet, can't comment).
However, Manage Applications shows the total size of all the Apps and some system stuff on the Flash/ROM including the Data that they've saved there.
I would look at things like 'Browser' and 'Work Email' (unless renamed now) - the Browser app on my G1 for example has nearly 9MB of 'Cache' usage at the mo'...
My issue goes actually further than that... What I ment is when I uninstall an app I have less memory left that when I installed it.
For example let say I have 80Mb free, I install an app of 5mb. Uninstalling it I have 70mb left. Thats the point... the Mbs are just fading away.
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did you restart afterwards? I had 70 left, after a restart I had 89...
Yes restarted 3 times just today. Doesent seem to help...
i used a rooted htc hero before. i had the same problem but only with apps not installed from the market. i found out that there was kept a copy of the .apk files in a directory called data/drm/tmp as far as i remember. i deleted all files inside and got my space back...but i am not sure we have access to this directory without root access...
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So we've got root access. Awesome. Everyone has been looking forward to installing apps to their SD card as well as other neat tricks.
Well, I haven't.
I hate to be the buzz killer but there is a fundamental flaw with the way apps are installed and uninstalled that means even moving them to a spacious SD card is not solving the problem.
Before I go rooting the phone and hacking as a way to eliminate some of the more annoying problems with Android, we need to first distinguish between bugs, technical limitations and poor implementation. Not allowing installs to the SD card out of the box is a technical limitation...Apps2sd creates a Linux partition on your SD but it's not ideal.
But that's neither here nor there. I'm not here to discuss the reletive merits of rooting or using apps2sd. What I want is the underlying code to work properly before I go hacking. It doesn't matter if we only have 100mb of space or 2GB for apps. If I install a 2mb app and them remove it I want the WHOLE 2mb back.
This morning news of the pre release alpha of Fennec (mobile Firefox) was announced. I attempted to install it but there was only 25mb of space on my phone. Apparently this is a BIG install and needed about 39mb. Anyway long story short, it didn't work. No matter how much space I cleared (up to 40.89mb at one point) it still told me I didn't have enough space.
So now I have a phone with 40mb of space and I had to clear out some unused apps to get there...I also cleared out my IM app, Nimbuzz, which I DO use. So I figure I'd install it again...but I'm thinking, it was big! Over 4mb installed. I figure I'll look for a smaller lighter app. I try Meego. Nice, small, but no Skype chat. So I uninstall and try Fring. Nice, has Skype...but no Facebook. The only one with the features I want is Nimbuzz. So I uninstall Fring. Two apps installed. Two apps removed. I look at my space. 35mb.
5mb has seemingly vanished into nothing!!! Meego was only about 500kb. Fring about 1.5mb. Where did all that space go?!?
I reset and there's no difference.
So to my experiment. I needed to verify the space suck bug.
Reset phone. I'm starting with 39.89mb.
Install Robo Defence Free. It's advertised as 1.25mb.
Reset phone. 38.02mb. I've used up 1.87mb with that install. According to App Manager Robo Defence is using up 1.41mb.
Uninstall Robo Defence. 38.18mb. Restart. final = 39.42mb.
In just one app install and removal, I've lost 0.47mb
Why? What has used that space?
Despite having 40mb of space this morning when attempting to install Fennec, I have since removed Nimbuzz, Shopper, Robo Defence, Poker, Layar, and Google Translate and I've not gotten back up to 40mb.
Can someone tell me what the hell is going on?
Yeah this is a major worry.
I hope someone can get to the bottom of it...
Try going to settings - applications - manage applications then hit menu and choose sort by size. This should show you the biggest space hog. My guess is that the browser and/or market caches are getting big as you're browsing for these apps. You can press on market and there will be a button to clear the cache, same for internet.
Hope this helps
Nope, that didn't even dent it. This is a real bother.
Have you tried to delete the cache and the data of the application before uninstalling it ?
Under settings/applications/manage applications when you choose an app you can see the size of the application but also the size of the data and the size of the cache. Maybe uninstalling an app don't remove at least the data and/or cache...
Guy's, honestly... You are looking far to deep into this and the word "control freak" comes to mind..
Enjoy your phone and dont quibble over 0.47MB when you have 32gb to play with. A massive thanks to Paul for getting us this root in the first place, we now have options to do anything we want with the phone.
Worry if your phone cannot be used, yes
But worring over small, irrelivant problems will just lower your enjoyment of this beast! Take a chill pill and enjoy that wee can now install apps on the sd card and are not limited to space
Cheers Paul))))
JD
JupiterDroid said:
dont quibble over 0.47MB when you have 32gb to play with.
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What about those of us who don't plan to root? I think the OP's point here was that this is an issue and rooting isn't really a solution for a lot of people.
Why would you not root? I dont see why you would not open your phone up to obvious advantages and extra app's, especially when these apps have the potential to extend battery life and volume levels, two of which we know with the Desire are pretty dire.
JD
Perfect volume and 2 days battery here mate
I'd only root for A2SD, but might see if Google sort it themselves first as I don't use a lot of apps anyway - it's just a phone after all
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Guy's, honestly... You are looking far to deep into this and the word "control freak" comes to mind..
Enjoy your phone and dont quibble over 0.47MB when you have 32gb to play with. A massive thanks to Paul for getting us this root in the first place, we now have options to do anything we want with the phone.
Worry if your phone cannot be used, yes
But worring over small, irrelivant problems will just lower your enjoyment of this beast! Take a chill pill and enjoy that wee can now install apps on the sd card and are not limited to space
Cheers Paul))))
JD
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First installing to SD slows down your apps noticeably. It's not ideal. It's the best solution we have RIGHT NOW, but don't mistake that for being a good thing.
I'm not quibbling over 0.45mb. If you reread I LOST 5mb! That's enough space for a few apps, no?
My point being that up until now this clear bug (losing data that doesn't seem to be associated with an app so is therefore not counted in it's cache and is not cleared) has been ignored by throwing SD space at it. That's foolish.
Well i get just over 1.5 days battery life and volume is not too bad for me, but i would like the music volume to be louder Also the main thin gthe root would mean for me is that i could get the Nexus rom on to my Desire and hopefully get a quick update to Froyo Because lets face it, how long are we going to wait for HTC to update sense???
JD
Don't like stock Android - I'm happy with Sense!
But enough thread hijacking!!
So you will be happy to wait 6 months for HTC to update Sense to intergrate with Froyo? (based on past updates, eg.. Hero, which is still on 1.6)?? I can understand your point, but sense for me is just a waste of screen space
The only reason i bought the desire was because of the slightly more RAM and actual buttons instead of touchscreen buttons Sense isnt a real big must for me
JD
Well, yeah! The Desire as it is does exactly what I want it to out the box. I had to cook my own ROM for my HD2 to get it working as I want but this just works!!
I prefer the eye candy of Sense, stock Android is boring and I hate using garish themes...if I feel the need to root it I will but as it is I have no need to
Very true mate Well i hope they have a frozen youghut ready for you apon release
JD
Guys, take it somewhere else eh.
Aitese said:
So we've got root access. Awesome. Everyone has been looking forward to installing apps to their SD card as well as other neat tricks.
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same here. I've two Desire, installed exactly the same apps and had a difference of 12 mb afterwards. I tried to delete every cache a.s.o, still a difference of 5 mb.. reboot .. nothing changed. Next day -> reboot again -> 2 mb difference? No clue what's exactly going on with the rom.
@sense: I bought the desire cause i thought it can't be worse than the nexus one cause if i don't like sense, just install launcher2 and deactivate it. What i did not know: HTC just removed some stock android applications and integrated their crappy apps, and in addition they implement some features i want to REMOVE, i do not want to see them anymore (f.e. flickr.. why flickr? this is android/google, i want a picasa button!, tweet, stocks a.s.o... no uninstall option).
I need root to get rid of the things i don´t like.
I did say sorry for it - he's the one coming back at me!!
I'll leave it now mate, my 2p though, I personally don't care about the memory - if it gets to a point when I do I'll hard reset and start again. Probably just needs the Android equivalent of a defrag!!
Have done two hard resets (not for this reason) and my memory was lower after each - something to do with the re-installing of the apps I surmise?
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Have done two hard resets (not for this reason) and my memory was lower after each - something to do with the re-installing of the apps I surmise?
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That's strange. After a hard reset it should have exactly the same memory each time. After all, that's the whole point of a hard reset.
And I must say that the issue raised by OP is very worrying. Installing and then uninstalling applications should give you back the exact same memory as you had before. I can accept residual files on the SD card, but the precious space on the internal flash should definately be fully reclaimed after an uninstall.
If not, there is a fundamental flaw somewhere. If anyone can shed more light on this issue, please do so!
So I've been living in a low-tech bubble and just got the OTA, tried searching for answers on why G-mail no longer syncs and why I get a false low space warning... didn't find anything too helpful in a hurry... Throwing myself at your mercy. TIA
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You mentioned it's a false warning. Are you sure that it is? The partition where your apps and associated data is stored is ludicrously small, 150MB, even though your app manager will show you all of your free internal space. When you go into manage apps and sort by size, what are your 5 largest apps and the space listed for them?
Do you store your contacts on your phone or do they live on Gmail?
Are you syncing FB contact information for you contacts as well?
The reason I ask: My g/f has a HTC Desire and had this issue 2 days after she had the phone, had 2 apps installed from the Market. WTF right?! Her contact storage was over 90 MB itself, which were phone contacts. I took the time to input all of those contacts she had into Gmail, and cleared contact storage. I also rooted her phone.
I disabled FB syncing for her contacts, as that was also contributing to ballooning storage for her contacts. Since doing this, she hasn't had this issue. That phone is plagued with that issue, but you may want to see what apps are taking up a ton of space, clear their caches like previously stated by "Haus".
EDIT: Gmail may not be syncing due to the low space warning, and you won't be able to send/receive texts either. Do have a ton of old texts that you save? You may want to delete some of those as well if you do.
My internal memory lists 500mb unused. I store everything possible on SD. Contacts via gmail. I do sync FB for the image avatars, but with the above mentioned space I can't see how that alone would cause the issue. All of this started after the OTA yesterday... Leads me to believe that there is an issue outside of my storage space, something tied to the update. Found random posts on other forums this AM where MANY others had same 2 issues resulting right after their OTA but most were from Sept. I figured these would be old news, with quick fixes by now... Anyone else seen this?
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My internal memory lists 500mb unused. I store everything possible on SD. Contacts via gmail. I do sync FB for the image avatars, but with the above mentioned space I can't see how that alone would cause the issue. All of this started after the OTA yesterday... Leads me to believe that there is an issue outside of my storage space, something tied to the update. Found random posts on other forums this AM where MANY others had same 2 issues resulting right after their OTA but most were from Sept. I figured these would be old news, with quick fixes by now... Anyone else seen this?
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Even though it lists 500 MB free, the DInc only has 150 MB total partitioned for apps (which is referring to the /data/data partition). When it gets close to that 150 MB, you'd get that warning.
Are you rooted?
There is a work around for this, but you'd have to be rooted running a ROM like Jermaine's Stock+, and there's a mod which increases the 150 MB /data/data partition to virtually unlimited. See here.
Unrooted (see post title)... so, the act of installing GB zapped up so much room that I am too close to the limit for my phone to function properly? Would GB install into the 150mb space for apps? As it's OS I'd think storage would be elsewhere? Also txting works fine atm.
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Some of the other posts I've found of users with same issues...
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=02216e9b3aed01ad&hl=en
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Unrooted (see post title)... so, the act of installing GB zapped up so much room that I am too close to the limit for my phone to function properly? Would GB install into the 150mb space for apps? As it's OS I'd think storage would be elsewhere? Also txting works fine atm.
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Sorry, my bad, I missed that in the title. What is the size of your Contact Storage?
Menu - Settings - Applications - Manage Applications - All tab at the top - scroll to Contacts Storage. It'll list the size underneath it.
Short of doing a factory reset to see if that fixes things, I'm not sure what to have you try since you are factory stock 2.3 other than contact VZW and/or HTC to see what they say. Since it wasn't happening before, and now it is, they'd either need to fix it or replace your phone.
EDIT: Also, what is the size say for com.htc.socialnetwork.provider?
EDIT 2: Menu - Settings - About phone - Software Information - Build Number, what are the numbers here? The latest OTA should have been 4.08.605.2.
So... I deleted date associated with FB and also ran the tip in the last post on the thread I linked to...
...He then had me dial a code (*#*#CHECKIN#*#*) and said if the update hadn't pushed in 72 hours to call them again. Guess I'll know by Sunday.
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Not sure if that had anything to do with it or not but somewhere along the line the space error went away and gmail starting syncing... I guess I am now just concerned with will happen again the next time I have an update of any kind to apps that can't be stored on SD.
grrr.... guess I'll be looking to jump the incredible ship when my upgrade comes through in a few months.
BTW... my contacts storage reads 14MB but not sure why/how as I have no contacts stored on phone.
dali137 said:
So... I deleted date associated with FB and also ran the tip in the last post on the thread I linked to...
Not sure if that had anything to do with it or not but somewhere along the line the space error went away and gmail starting syncing... I guess I am now just concerned with will happen again the next time I have an update of any kind to apps that can't be stored on SD.
grrr.... guess I'll be looking to jump the incredible ship when my upgrade comes through in a few months.
BTW... my contacts storage reads 14MB but not sure why/how as I have no contacts stored on phone.
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14 MB isn't too bad. If you have no contacts stored on your phone, you could clear that information, and Gmail will just re-sync it, so you wouldn't lose anything or delete contacts. I did see something in a post about going to an HTC link and downloading a "hotfix" file to install for this issue, but these were before this latest OTA that came out, and I couldn't find anything about anyone having success with it as far as this latest OTA is concerned.
I guess I should rephrase... I don't want to have any contacts stored purely on my phone... is there anyway to sort and see?
NM... found it... yeah, listed as 0. will delete. Thanks!
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Even though it lists 500 MB free, the DInc only has 150 MB total partitioned for apps (which is referring to the /data/data partition). When it gets close to that 150 MB, you'd get that warning.
Are you rooted?
There is a work around for this, but you'd have to be rooted running a ROM like Jermaine's Stock+, and there's a mod which increases the 150 MB /data/data partition to virtually unlimited. See here.
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I'd missed that mod, that is going to make my wife really happy. Glad you mentioned it.
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I'd missed that mod, that is going to make my wife really happy. Glad you mentioned it.
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Yep, converts /data and /cache to ext4, which speeds things up as far as the file system goes. I'm just using the normal version of this mod, but I highly recommend it!
I guess I should also mention the other annoying issue... battery life is terrible after the OTA... anyone else?
a large portion of us on here have rooted our devices, and cured our phones of these ailments. No more limited data applications thanks to the Ext4 mod, and no terrible battery life thanks to custom kernels to help govern how the battery is utilized.
If you have the resources, I highly recommend rooting your incredible and installing a custom ROM
I just don't have the bandwidth in my life ATM to learn/do anything new... was just looking to see if anyone knew of a unrooted fix...
guess that is too much to hope for though
The unrooted fix is to uninstall applications and clear some caches.
Thats about it AFAIK other than wiping everything or rooting.
my wife has the incredible and up till now she wouldn't let me root her phone and now that she's on 2.3 she wants to root it and dive into the custom rom scene. i tried rooting it with unrEVOked but was unsuccessful even tried showing it a custom clockwork recovrey to flash however I still couldnt figure it out. Any "easy" way to root after going to 2.3
There's a thread, I think in Development about how to do it, looks involved but possible.
It's by Scotty1223.
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tcs.computergeek said:
my wife has the incredible and up till now she wouldn't let me root her phone and now that she's on 2.3 she wants to root it and dive into the custom rom scene. i tried rooting it with unrEVOked but was unsuccessful even tried showing it a custom clockwork recovrey to flash however I still couldnt figure it out. Any "easy" way to root after going to 2.3
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here you go tcs, it's found in the general section of the forum...
root 2.3.4,downgrade,and s-off