So I am using Myn's Rom right now and sense. I do like how everything looks as of right now but when I checked the linpack scores I was only getting 29 MFlops.
Its not a big deal but some people are getting 50/49MFlops
So is Sense really bloatware and slowing down the phone? Should I go back to LauncherPro, ar ADW
Are people just turning up the CPU just to do this test? Etc?
Again Im not too worried since my phone is running smooth, I was just asking
Globetrahter said:
So I am using Myn's Rom right now and sense. I do like how everything looks as of right now but when I checked the linpack scores I was only getting 29 MFlops.
Its not a big deal but some people are getting 50/49MFlops
So is Sense really bloatware and slowing down the phone? Should I go back to LauncherPro, ar ADW
Are people just turning up the CPU just to do this test? Etc?
Again Im not too worried since my phone is running smooth, I was just asking
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if you ran adw or launcher pro you'd still be running sense, you just wouldnt be running the rosie launcher or widgets. really not gonna make much of a difference.
That makes sense and I did not think of that lol, my bad,
So, would I basically have to run the flash to remove Sense and Sprint Bloatware?
I probably wont but still
Globetrahter said:
That makes sense and I did not think of that lol, my bad,
So, would I basically have to run the flash to remove Sense and Sprint Bloatware?
I probably wont but still
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How many kernels have you tried?
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I have used bs kernel 6 and now #9 from myns post. I believe bfs, I would be mote specific but on phone now
Globetrahter
you can jsut run a script to remove them yes. It wont make a huge impact on your performance as said before. it may make a small diffrence since some of the apps used to run in the background and no longer can but you wont see much change.
the main benefit of removing them is freeing up space. if youa rent using sense and the htc widgets and all the sprint crap etc it is jsut taking up room that could be used for better stuff.
anyway see signature for a link to my script and the app regaw made so you can easily edit it to your prefrence.
omegasun18 said:
you can jsut run a script to remove them yes. It wont make a huge impact on your performance as said before. it may make a small diffrence since some of the apps used to run in the background and no longer can but you wont see much change.
the main benefit of removing them is freeing up space. if youa rent using sense and the htc widgets and all the sprint crap etc it is jsut taking up room that could be used for better stuff.
anyway see signature for a link to my script and the app regaw made so you can easily edit it to your prefrence.
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Thanks, Ill check this out
Globetrahter said:
So I am using Myn's Rom right now and sense. I do like how everything looks as of right now but when I checked the linpack scores I was only getting 29 MFlops.
Its not a big deal but some people are getting 50/49MFlops
So is Sense really bloatware and slowing down the phone? Should I go back to LauncherPro, ar ADW
Are people just turning up the CPU just to do this test? Etc?
Again Im not too worried since my phone is running smooth, I was just asking
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If your phone is running smooth and you are happy with sense then no reason to get rid of it. Me I find aosp roms like cyanogens better. I like the clean look of stock android and none of the bloat of sense. The only way to really get rid of sense is to flash a rom that was built from the ground up without any sense built in. Most of the custom roms you'll find here are actually based on sense and will have parts of it in the core.
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is there a dev out there that is willing to do a froyo port from a device that has sense?? i would love to flash a froyo build, but ive just like having sense. is it currently possible to do this port?
tonyjklh said:
is there a dev out there that is willing to do a froyo port from a device that has sense?? i would love to flash a froyo build, but ive just like having sense. is it currently possible to do this port?
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Unlikely (for now). We would need another MDPI device with Sense to receive a 2.2 update (Hero, Aria, Legend) or do lots of unnecessary work (Froyo Espresso i coming out this month most likely).
Try #TeamFenix 1.7 or Eugene's MYFROYO5.zip, both are excellent CM6 ports that run much faster than Sense.
Faster than Sense? I have yet to try a Slide ROM that is faster than stock expresso, seriously.
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Faster than Sense? I have yet to try a Slide ROM that is faster than stock expresso, seriously.
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Huh? Are you serious? Have you tried the latest CM6 nightlies? They are *way* faster than stock espresso. Stock espresso is sluggish as hell, especially with Sense UI and that stupid "recent items" status bar pulldown display. Ugh.
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Faster than Sense? I have yet to try a Slide ROM that is faster than stock expresso, seriously.
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You have got to be kidding. TeamFenix 1.7 is pretty fast and so is Eugene's Port. I love them but they dont have bluetooth audio yet. I know it seems silly but its a deal breaker for me as of now.
slinky1914 said:
You have got to be kidding. TeamFenix 1.7 is pretty fast and so is Eugene's Port. I love them but they dont have bluetooth audio yet. I know it seems silly but its a deal breaker for me as of now.
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A clean install of CM6 8/10/10 nightly was noticeably slower than Espresso with all my apps. I think it may just be ADW. I HATE ADW Launcher. Has anyone used stock froyo launcher at all (like N1)? Is it any faster than ADW?
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A clean install of CM6 8/10/10 nightly was noticeably slower than Espresso with all my apps. I think it may just be ADW. I HATE ADW Launcher. Has anyone used stock froyo launcher at all (like N1)? Is it any faster than ADW?
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ADW.Launcher *is* a 'stock' launcher when you disable all the extended functionality... Just disable the action buttons, screen previews and all the other stuff.
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A clean install of CM6 8/10/10 nightly was noticeably slower than Espresso with all my apps. I think it may just be ADW. I HATE ADW Launcher. Has anyone used stock froyo launcher at all (like N1)? Is it any faster than ADW?
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ADW Launcher is faster, smaller, and in general speedier than the Froyo Launcher2.apk
Maybe you should close some applications?
Also, slinky try this:
Originally Posted by Cammarratta
under bluetooth options click off audio then click it back on. Then your bluetooth audio should be working.
HebrewToYou said:
Huh? Are you serious? Have you tried the latest CM6 nightlies? They are *way* faster than stock espresso. Stock espresso is sluggish as hell, especially with Sense UI and that stupid "recent items" status bar pulldown display. Ugh.
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SMR2 is just as fast as MYFROYO5. MYFROYO5 browser does not even come close to Espresso browser. MYFROYO5 camera/camcorder functionality is nowhere near the quality of Espresso's. Vignette covers my camera needs but the browser just plain sucks on MYFROYO5. Benchmarks definitely demonstrate huge performance increases with MYFROYO5 but somehow it doesn't seem to make a "real world" difference. Love the CM contacts and messaging but I don't mind the Espresso versions all that much. Sure love running MYFROYO5 and having great devs in the community that make it possible to do so. Going to keep MYFROYO5 on my device for a week ... gotta give it some time. Looking forward to an Espresso Froyo.
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SMR2 is just as fast as MYFROYO5. MYFROYO5 browser does not even come close to Espresso browser. MYFROYO5 camera/camcorder functionality is nowhere near the quality of Espresso's. Vignette covers my camera needs but the browser just plain sucks on MYFROYO5. Benchmarks definitely demonstrate huge performance increases with MYFROYO5 but somehow it doesn't seem to make a "real world" difference. Love the CM contacts and messaging but I don't mind the Espresso versions all that much. Sure love running MYFROYO5 and having great devs in the community that make it possible to do so. Going to keep MYFROYO5 on my device for a week ... gotta give it some time. Looking forward to an Espresso Froyo.
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My load averages are far better on #TeamFenix 1.7 then they ever were on Espresso (with the same number of widgets, mind you).
r0man said:
My load averages are far better on #TeamFenix 1.7 then they ever were on Espresso (with the same number of widgets, mind you).
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I'm staying open to MYFROYO5 and I'm going to get a #TeamFenix 1.7 "setup" going as well so I can do a comparison. I think I'm way to familiar with the Espresso experience to fairly asses these great Froyo builds. Just glad that devs are still putting the effort and time into ROM's for our devices.
Ya need to try Aria sense rom-its faster than any nonsence rom period and its 2.1,why its so fast?I have no idea,only thing that keeps me from using it is that you cant install apps from uknown sources(att restriction).
lviv73 said:
Ya need to try Aria sense rom-its faster than any nonsence rom period and its 2.1,why its so fast?I have no idea,only thing that keeps me from using it is that you cant install apps from uknown sources(att restriction).
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This is either the placebo effect or XDA Syndrome.
i felt the same way but only thing i missed was swaype and friend stream so i got swpe and simple status wiget and the facebook tweeter apps and iam good runnung 2,2 and loveing it
watchu smokin?
stoneyjonez said:
Faster than Sense? I have yet to try a Slide ROM that is faster than stock expresso, seriously.
Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide using XDA App
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whatever your smoking i want some cause my slide running cm6 has been 2-3x faster than my sense rom.
bhang
You all need to chill. The guy wants a Sense ROM with 2.2, and you're all telling him that he DOESN'T want that. You're just as bad as some of the sales people at T-Mobile, telling people what they do and don't want when they know what they want.
Personally, I can't do without the integrated social networking in the phone. I've tried running CM's builds and such and I just can't do it, especially with the facebook contact sync broken and lack of the integrated friend stream, which is what this guy wants.
Just because you all can do without those things doesn't mean that other people are so quick to give them up.
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You all need to chill. The guy wants a Sense ROM with 2.2, and you're all telling him that he DOESN'T want that. You're just as bad as some of the sales people at T-Mobile, telling people what they do and don't want when they know what they want.
Personally, I can't do without the integrated social networking in the phone. I've tried running CM's builds and such and I just can't do it, especially with the facebook contact sync broken and lack of the integrated friend stream, which is what this guy wants.
Just because you all can do without those things doesn't mean that other people are so quick to give them up.
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Uhhhhhhhh
Download T-Mobile Social Buzz -- it provides Facebook, Flickr and Twitter contact integration on ANY rom. That's what I'm using right now on my CM6 nightly.
HebrewToYou said:
Uhhhhhhhh
Download T-Mobile Social Buzz -- it provides Facebook, Flickr and Twitter contact integration on ANY rom. That's what I'm using right now on my CM6 nightly.
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Again, different strokes for different folks.
xenoletum said:
Again, different strokes for different folks.
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Okay...
But this "Facebook sync is broken on CM6" meme is just plain misleading. Let it die.
i love cm froyo but i really miss my contacts having their facebook photos
Yes, I am running CM6 Stable on my MyTouch, but I am kind of missing the original Sense UI, yes I know it was bloated and slow but it was pretty
Does anyone know if there is a ROM ot MOD incorporating froyo or even if not froyo at the vary least APPS2SD with the original Sense UI.......
Am I crazy for asking or suggesting this?
obsidian52 said:
Yes, I am running CM6 Stable on my MyTouch, but I am kind of missing the original Sense UI, yes I know it was bloated and slow but it was pretty
Does anyone know if there is a ROM ot MOD incorporating froyo or even if not froyo at the vary least APPS2SD with the original Sense UI.......
Am I crazy for asking or suggesting this?
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This is not possible at all, I will elaborate if you want more details...
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This is not possible at all, I will elaborate if you want more details...
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thats not entirely true. espresso froyo is impossible as yet, but espresso with a2sd is absolutely possible, and its been done...Cr's OTA Mod has a2sd, im using it now and it works great. im sitting pretty at ~123mb free space...and honestly its not that slow or bloaty. my home screen is kinda slow loading every once in a while, but only cuz i have 5 screens with 7 or 8 Launch-X Pro Widgets spread between them. but before all the widgets it was hella snappy all the time.
-BMFC
that may be exactly what I am looking for...do you have a link to download or look at CR'S OTA MOD and I guess I need to be rooted to install this?
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thats not entirely true. espresso froyo is impossible as yet, but espresso with a2sd is absolutely possible, and its been done...Cr's OTA Mod has a2sd, im using it now and it works great. im sitting pretty at ~123mb free space...and honestly its not that slow or bloaty. my home screen is kinda slow loading every once in a while, but only cuz i have 5 screens with 7 or 8 Launch-X Pro Widgets spread between them. but before all the widgets it was hella snappy all the time.
-BMFC
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I mean to compine Froyo vanilla and Espresso is impossible...Why would I say espresso froyo is impossible...Cr's OTA is in the dev section, I use it and have 145 after flashing(be sure to wipe) .I dont use Apps2Sd cause I frequently remove my sdcard so it wouldnt make sense.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=747002
so ive been thinking about rooting my phone. im gettign tired of seeing the "low disk space" icons and sometimes the lag is just annoying...
i just dont know what rom im looking for.
ive been looking at cyanogen and thinking about going with that but ive been reading theres problems with the wifi and other minor stuff. so i was hoping you guys could help me out.
im looking for a ROM thats fast, stable, and still syncs up with google cal and contacts and gmail and gtasks and etc. but i also want it to be reliable in terms of other things such as the alarm clock, bluetooth, wifi, gps and whatnot. i also want it to be compatible with google voice... also, i would like longer battery life while keeping adequate performance up. so many underclock while my screen is off and overclock while its on? (if there is such an option)
also, another question i had was if i flashed a vanilla ROM on, would i lose all my sense widgets? and if i do, is it hard to find good looking widgets without paying any money?
thanks.
You can backup your previous roms so if you don't like one you flashed you can go back. And Widgets are usually hard to find. I'd suggest cm6.1 or virtuous for a rom and either an invisiblek or Chad kernel that will give you great performance and good battery life. I hope that helps
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zithro said:
so ive been thinking about rooting my phone. im gettign tired of seeing the "low disk space" icons and sometimes the lag is just annoying...
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also, another question i had was if i flashed a vanilla ROM on, would i lose all my sense widgets? and if i do, is it hard to find good looking widgets without paying any money?
thanks.
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Yes, and no. You will lose all sense widgets, but you can find good free versions. I would start with Fancy Widget for clock.
My Rom Recommendation:
I am running CM 6.1 with B-SCM Splash of Red theme
and Ziggy471's latest kernel. But, a word of warning:
NEVER overclock past 1.19GHz on the Ziggy kernels. Most support going up to 1228000, but I've NEVER seen this work. No harm will be done usually (a brief stall followed by a reboot), but if you set this and then check Set On Boot, THEN you're in trouble.
Also always nandroid before flashing. Backups are your best friend.
alanthemanofchicago said:
Yes, and no. You will lose all sense widgets, but you can find good free versions. I would start with Fancy Widget for clock.
My Rom Recommendation:
I am running CM 6.1 with B-SCM Splash of Red theme
and Ziggy471's latest kernel. But, a word of warning:
NEVER overclock past 1.19GHz on the Ziggy kernels. Most support going up to 1228000, but I've NEVER seen this work. No harm will be done usually (a brief stall followed by a reboot), but if you set this and then check Set On Boot, THEN you're in trouble.
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Gahh Its Lee said:
Also always nandroid before flashing. Backups are your best friend.
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O yeah. Also, a pointer about installing kernels and themes
0 Nandroid
1 Wipe Data / Factory Reset
2 Install ROM
3 Reboot, complete setup
4 Reboot to recovery, install kernel
5 Reboot, verify touch, WiFi
6 Reboot to Recovery, install theme (and Droid2 Keyboard, Bootanimations, etc.)
7 DONE! Exhale deeply.
does radio=kernel?
zithro said:
does radio=kernel?
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no, the radio is something you can change to improve your signal and battery life. you need to have S-OFF (ie unrevoked forever) to do this through HBOOT. I wouldn't recommended it if you're not advanced because this is one of the few ways you could brick your phone. If you do decide to change it, make sure you do your research and don't rush it.
Although I'm using a source CM rom, source never really works 100% for our phones. Sense roms are the most compatible and best way to go for compatibility reasons. Try out "Uber Z" or the virtuous ROMs.
Here are some TIPS!
zithro said:
so ive been thinking about rooting my phone. im gettign tired of seeing the "low disk space" icons and sometimes the lag is just annoying...
i just dont know what rom im looking for.
ive been looking at cyanogen and thinking about going with that but ive been reading theres problems with the wifi and other minor stuff. so i was hoping you guys could help me out.
im looking for a ROM thats fast, stable, and still syncs up with google cal and contacts and gmail and gtasks and etc. but i also want it to be reliable in terms of other things such as the alarm clock, bluetooth, wifi, gps and whatnot. i also want it to be compatible with google voice... also, i would like longer battery life while keeping adequate performance up. so many underclock while my screen is off and overclock while its on? (if there is such an option)
also, another question i had was if i flashed a vanilla ROM on, would i lose all my sense widgets? and if i do, is it hard to find good looking widgets without paying any money?
thanks.
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The best ASOP roms that i have tried are Cyanogenmod 6.1 and Skyraider Athena 1.2. These roms are both available in the ROM manager app. Both of the roms are very fast with almost no bugs, Although they will not give you the best battery life. With that being said you can still change the kernel as long it is an ASOP kernel.
As far as sense roms i like Virtuous rom and almost any Desire Z rom. The rom i am using ATM is Uber Z. This is a very nice and stable rom.
If you want something that looks totaly different than android i would go with MIUI. This is a great rom with great battery life. keep in mind it is sort of based off of apple's IOS.
i don't believe i will have any problems in the root itself as unrevoked should work here like it did on my desire, but my question is my friend wants root to get rid of sprint bloat and wireless tethering and battery life help. pretty much the basic reasons lol. he doesn't want any major upkeep, just a stable rom since he is a police officer that he can use everyday and not lose any functions of the phone. since it isn't me with the phone the normal flash and test method is just kinda not possible so im looking for some input on the best rom to give him. any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
leadfoot9281 said:
i don't believe i will have any problems in the root itself as unrevoked should work here like it did on my desire, but my question is my friend wants root to get rid of sprint bloat and wireless tethering and battery life help. pretty much the basic reasons lol. he doesn't want any major upkeep, just a stable rom since he is a police officer that he can use everyday and not lose any functions of the phone. since it isn't me with the phone the normal flash and test method is just kinda not possible so im looking for some input on the best rom to give him. any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Basically any of the Sense roms are fully functional. I prefer Myn's, but I like all of them, really. They all differ a bit with the theming, but they are all fully functional, and have most of the bloatware removed, with the option to install some sprint .apk's back if you'd like. If you want an unthemed fully functional rom (looks exactly like stock, with a few changes), then try the Sprint Lovers rom. I believe it does not have bloat removed, and has all of the sprint apps.
Keep in mind that AOSP roms also have 4g now, and hdmi is also working for sense and aosp. So I guess almost all roms are fully functional now, but I have less issues when I use sense roms.
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Basically any of the Sense roms are fully functional. I prefer Myn's, but I like all of them, really. They all differ a bit with the theming, but they are all fully functional, and have most of the bloatware removed, with the option to install some sprint .apk's back if you'd like. If you want an unthemed fully functional rom (looks exactly like stock, with a few changes), then try the Sprint Lovers rom. I believe it does not have bloat removed, and has all of the sprint apps.
Keep in mind that AOSP roms also have 4g now, and hdmi is also working for sense and aosp. So I guess almost all roms are fully functional now, but I have less issues when I use sense roms.
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Cool. We aren't in a 4g area so that's not a deal breaker either way. I'm gonna let him decide on the way the rom looks as I will worry more about the techie stuff. Thanks for the help.
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I have tried many and the most stable is the Myn's RLS5. Has everything (4g, hdmi, etc.) and with Netarchy 131 more aggressive kernel it was awesome with battery life. For me anyway
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I have tried many and the most stable is the Myn's RLS5. Has everything (4g, hdmi, etc.) and with Netarchy 131 more aggressive kernel it was awesome with battery life. For me anyway
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Cool, I will check into that. One thing I was just noticing, there is alot of talk about prl/pri updating? Is that something that has to downloaded and flashed and how often does it occur? I'm on cellsouth and not familiar with it because on our network we just dial*228 and its done automatically rooted or not.
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Cool, I will check into that. One thing I was just noticing, there is alot of talk about prl/pri updating? Is that something that has to downloaded and flashed and how often does it occur? I'm on cellsouth and not familiar with it because on our network we just dial*228 and its done automatically rooted or not.
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The PRL can be updated using a sense ROM thru settings and system update. The PRI will be flashed. All the radios can be found here. As far as the PRI goes, most people find 1.77 has most stable battery life.
I'm a fan of the Sprint Lovers rom; it's basically stock, but the Sprint bloatware is removable just like any other application, so you don't need to go into system/app/ to remove any of them. It also has a classy battery indicator with percentages and neat animations when charging and stuff.
OK so i was originally on a Deodexed Stock Rom with no mods or anything like that other than it was Deodexed.
My phone was blazing fast then, and still is IF i flash back to that rom. IM now running the latest Virtuous Sense Rom. Heres my issue. I use advanced task killer which displays the available memory after you kill the apps.
On the stock deodexed Rom after killing apps i had around 375M of available memory. Now that i'm on sense, i get about 81 on average, and after killing some services i can get up to 120 max, but thats it.
Is there any way i can get it back up in the 300 range? I want my phone to be fast (Who doesnt) but i REALLYY dont want to have to revert back to stock in order to do that.
I assume you have a Desire Z because if you have a G2 then you're comparing apples to oranges.
I know the .odex is sort of a preloaded portion of the app or something along those lines (it's been awhile). So my guess it that instead of part of the app being contained in the .odex file contained in /system it's loaded into the RAM instead on a deodexed ROM. That would be why you have less RAM.
I could just be talking out of my a$$ though since it's been a long time since I've cared to read about odex vs deodex. It was a pretty big argument back in the day over which was faster.
I actually have a g2 by tmobile. What do u mean im comparing apples to oranges though?
Sense sucks your phone's resources into a black hole.
It's pretty and has a number of attractive features over Vanilla Android (nice dialler, consistent copy/paste features, nice browser), and I used to love it. But like you, I got annoyed at the phone constantly reloading apps (and browser pages) when I went back to them because of low RAM. Eventually I grew to love Vanilla (well, CM-based) ROMs. Just wipe that Sense off and see an instant performance improvement!
Really i love sense for the dialer/contacts. if i could find a rom with a smart dialer like sense AND the option to text a number thru the dialer unlike vanilla android id go back in a flash. but i havent found that yet =/
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I actually have a g2 by tmobile. What do u mean im comparing apples to oranges though?
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Because the stock G2 is *almost* a vanilla ROM (aosp), not Sense. Look at the size of a Sense ROM download, then compare that to the size of a Cyanogen ROM. Still wonder why Sense ROMs have less available? They are a whole different item. It's like comparing a bike to a car.
Overclock it! I always OC sense tons. If you did already and still not happy with the speed then you will need to ditch sense.
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reasons why i love sense
the contact dialer
and the push to focus on video.
i NEED the push to focus on video haha.
if sense had these than i would never look at SENSE roms ever again. haha.
You can give MIUI a try?
I think it's "prettier" than cyanogen, but not as much of a resource-hog as sense.
They've ALMOST got all the kinks out. I'm a fan =)
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Really i love sense for the dialer/contacts. if i could find a rom with a smart dialer like sense AND the option to text a number thru the dialer unlike vanilla android id go back in a flash. but i havent found that yet =/
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TouchPal Dialer.
I use it with CYM7
moSess said:
TouchPal Dialer.
I use it with CYM7
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yes but the most important thing i need is TOUCH TO FOCUS on VIDEO RECORDING. -_____-
and also the video on hd is limited to 10 minutes.