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[COMP]Desire or Supersonic??

Hi,
I wonder what will be the differences between the Desire and the Supersonic.
As far as I know the Supersonic is the same as the Desire but has the 4.3" screen like the HD2 has had. Ans the over all design may differ.
So did you here some more differences between them two?
And when does the Supersonic come? I heard in summer, maybe june?!

And more RAM/ROM, each with 1gb
I heard also that they'll come out in the summertime.

I just get what is available at the time.. I.e when the iPhone 3gs came out I gave that a go.. Gave that up for the HD2.. Will be changing from the HD2 to the desire... Next will either be Supersonic? or Possible next iPhone??? Unless something more interesting arrives in the mean time.. Guess its a bit like PC's... You could always be waiting for the next best thing the way smart phones are going at the moment..

Then go for the HTC Scorpion/Olympian in Q3 2010. With dual-core snapdragon 1.5Ghz
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/htc-scorpion-with-1-5ghz-snapdragon-wimax-tipped-in-build-file/
Qualcomm details:
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The single-chip, dual-CPU QSD8672™ includes most of the above features, in addition to:
* Dual CPUs, up to 1.5 GHz for faster response and processing
* Low-power 45nm process technology for higher integration and performance
* Higher-resolution WSXGA ([B]1440 x 900[/B]) display support
* High-definition (1080p) video recording and playback
* Support for HSPA+ networks - 28 Mbps downloads and 11 Mbps uploads
* Supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B networks
* Improved 3D graphics - up to 80M triangles/sec and 500M+ 3D pixels/sec

Yeah as far as I know it has a 4.3 inch screen and maybe some more RAM and ROM. I have an 4.3 inch screen now, which has pro's and con's. IMO the perfect screen would be between 3.7 and 4.0 inch..
The supersonic is probably going to be more expensive as well. I would go for the desire.

@XDA mark.
Can you say a little bit more about the screen size?
Whats the downside for you of a 4.3"?

i hope verizon gets one of these high powered phones

Polarfuchs said:
Then go for the HTC Scorpion/Olympian in Q3 2010. With dual-core snapdragon 1.5Ghz
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/htc-scorpion-with-1-5ghz-snapdragon-wimax-tipped-in-build-file/
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The single-chip, dual-CPU QSD8672™ includes most of the above features, in addition to:
* Dual CPUs, up to 1.5 GHz for faster response and processing
* Low-power 45nm process technology for higher integration and performance
* Higher-resolution WSXGA ([B]1440 x 900[/B]) display support
* High-definition (1080p) video recording and playback
* Support for HSPA+ networks - 28 Mbps downloads and 11 Mbps uploads
* Supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B networks
* Improved 3D graphics - up to 80M triangles/sec and 500M+ 3D pixels/sec
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Great scott, that is mighty powerful. If this is true, my next phone will have a better display than my 15.6'' vaio laptop.

Polarfuchs said:
@XDA mark.
Can you say a little bit more about the screen size?
Whats the downside for you of a 4.3"?
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Sorry to but in. I've owned the HD2 as well. The 4.3" is awesome to use but it is a fraction on the big side (and I have large hands). You will need deep pockets or a purse.
After a month, I was used to it and it felt perfectly natural. Having said that, I think I agree with the sentiment that 3.7" - 4.0" is the sweet spot.

So does the Supersonic come to Germany?
If it really is a Wimax device I sadly think : "No".
Because Germany doesn't get wimax but LTE.
Source:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/17/wimax-enabled-htc-supersonic-rumored-to-debut-on-sprint-at-ctia/

Polarfuchs said:
So does the Supersonic come to Germany?
If it really is a Wimax device I sadly think : "No".
Because Germany doesn't get wimax but LTE.
Source:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/17/wimax-enabled-htc-supersonic-rumored-to-debut-on-sprint-at-ctia/
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The Supersonic looks like its going to Sprint. They use CDMA, so it wont be coming to Europe at all. I was so disappointed when i found this out, but i moved on to the Desire..

Yeah if thats the truth I will get a Desire too (silver or brown? )

silver looks really good, but i think ima stick with brown.

Polarfuchs said:
@XDA mark.
Can you say a little bit more about the screen size?
Whats the downside for you of a 4.3"?
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Sure.
First of all, 4.3'' screen means BIG phone. It is just a tiny bit to large to stay 'naturally' in your hand. When you have 2 hands available and you are not moving it is not such a big problem, but when only having one hand and on the move it can be 'not pleasant'. So again, nothing that is really bad, but it is not perfect either.
4.3'' inch screen with 480x800 resolution also is not as sharp as 3.7 inch and the same resolution. Not that the HD2's screen is not amazing though.
Overall what I am trying to say is: it is nice to have a 4.3'' inch screen, but somehow I feel it is not needed. The iPhone's screen is now tiny for me, and I feel that is TOO small. But I asume 3.7'' is just fine. I really think at the moment 3.7 to 4.0 inch is the perfect size, for the current operating system's and applications made for them.
Hope this clears up what I was talking about
To not forget that 4.3 inch screen can be very nice sometimes: Browsing and watching movies is off course better on such a large screen!

Polarfuchs said:
Then go for the HTC Scorpion/Olympian in Q3 2010. With dual-core snapdragon 1.5Ghz
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/htc-scorpion-with-1-5ghz-snapdragon-wimax-tipped-in-build-file/
Qualcomm details:
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The single-chip, dual-CPU QSD8672™ includes most of the above features, in addition to:
* Dual CPUs, up to 1.5 GHz for faster response and processing
* Low-power 45nm process technology for higher integration and performance
* Higher-resolution WSXGA ([B]1440 x 900[/B]) display support
* High-definition (1080p) video recording and playback
* Support for HSPA+ networks - 28 Mbps downloads and 11 Mbps uploads
* Supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B networks
* Improved 3D graphics - up to 80M triangles/sec and 500M+ 3D pixels/sec
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Dual 1.5GHz CPU?? The battery will have to be the size of a small African Nation to get more than a few hours use from it?

wankingweiner said:
The Supersonic looks like its going to Sprint. They use CDMA, so it wont be coming to Europe at all. I was so disappointed when i found this out, but i moved on to the Desire..
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There is also a special T-Mobile US Version of HD2... I think the Supersonic
will come to europe with other bands used over here... HTC dont produces
such a nice phone and miss the chance to make much money....

StuMcBill said:
Dual 1.5GHz CPU?? The battery will have to be the size of a small African Nation to get more than a few hours use from it?
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Indeed I don't see why we would need that much power from our phones. The Desire should be powerful enough, and we can leave dual-core CPUs for our laptops.

Yeah but the Supersonic with 1Ghz and 4.3" Screen would be a good alternativ with a bigger screen for the Desire.
They did announce it yesterday as Sprint HTC EVO 4g and I hope it gets to Germany/Europe.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/23/htc-evo-4g-is-sprints-android-powered-knight-in-superphone-armo/

Knowing the way HTC likes to play mix and match with it's phones I would not pt it past them to release a 3G GSM version of the supersonic, though obviously it would be called something else.

Baldyman1966 said:
Knowing the way HTC likes to play mix and match with it's phones I would not pt it past them to release a 3G GSM version of the supersonic, though obviously it would be called something else.
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yeah im waiting for the day. Glad this happened becuase i was about to buy the Desire, but i'll see what materializes first

How good is the Desire GPU?

Hi,
Compared to the other phones, how good is the GPU on the Desire?
How many triangles per sec can it do?
Does anyone know?

The Snapdragon Processor (QSD8250- Desire's processor) does 22 million triangles per second

irkan said:
The Snapdragon Processor (QSD8250- Desire's processor) does 22 million triangles per second
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And it's GPU(not CPU) is slower for about 25% than iPhone's 3Gs

benko286 said:
And it's GPU(not CPU) is slower for about 25% than iPhone's 3Gs
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the "GPU" comes with the Qualcomm SnapDragon Chip-set (processor). its not a stand alone unit!!

I thought I read somewhere that there was a dedicated GPU on it.

http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html#specs
Technical Features for QSD8x50 chipsets
The QSD8x50 platform consists of the QSD8250™ which supports GSM, GPRS, EDGE, HSPA networks while the QSD8650™ supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B, GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks. Both chipsets include:
1 GHz CPU
600MHz DSP
Integrated 3G mobile broadband
Support for Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® connectivity
Built-in seventh-generation gpsOne® engine with Standalone-GPS and Assisted-GPS modes
High-definition (720p) video decode, and multiple video codec support
High-performance 3D graphics – up to 22M triangles/sec and 133M 3D pixels/sec
High-resolution up to WXGA (1280x720) display support
12-megapixel camera support
Multiple audio codecs: (AAC+, eAAC+, AMR, FR, EFR, HR, WB-AMR, G.729a, G.711, AAC stereo encode)
Support for mobile broadcast TV (MediaFLO™, DVB-H and ISDB-T)
Support for Windows Mobile®, Android, and a number of Linux®-based operating systems
Qualcomm’s hybrid mode alternative solution
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irkan said:
the "GPU" comes with the Qualcomm SnapDragon Chipest (processor). its not a stand alone unit!!
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Yeah but it's slower than iPhone's...

Dont worry, even if it is a bit slower, you dot a lot more
- sd card
- multitasking
- customization
- etc.
benko286 said:
Yeah but it's slower than iPhone's...
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http://androidandme.com/2010/03/new...bird-chip-to-have-3x-gpu-power-of-snapdragon/
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Here is a GPU comparison for some of the leading smartphones:
* Motorola Droid: TI OMAP3430 with PowerVR SGX530 = 7 million(?) triangles/sec
* Nexus One: Qualcomm QSD8×50 with Adreno 200 = 22 million triangles/sec
* iPhone 3G S: 600 MHz Cortex-A8 with PowerVR SGX535 = 28 million triangles/sec
* Samsung Galaxy S: S5PC110 with PowerVR SGX540 = 90 million triangles/sec
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benko286 said:
Yeah but it's slower than iPhone's...
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Yes It's slower but what do you want to do with this phone - to play Crysis on it ? I think that all games will works smooth and fine.

Haha ... nice one
Btw, do you like "indomie" ?
Indomitable said:
Yes It's slower but what do you want to do with this phone - to play Crysis on it ? I think that all games will works smooth and fine.
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gizz68erz said:
http://androidandme.com/2010/03/new...bird-chip-to-have-3x-gpu-power-of-snapdragon/
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Here is a GPU comparison for some of the leading smartphones:
* Motorola Droid: TI OMAP3430 with PowerVR SGX530 = 7 million(?) triangles/sec
* Nexus One: Qualcomm QSD8×50 with Adreno 200 = 22 million triangles/sec
* iPhone 3G S: 600 MHz Cortex-A8 with PowerVR SGX535 = 28 million triangles/sec
* Samsung Galaxy S: S5PC110 with PowerVR SGX540 = 90 million triangles/sec
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I just don't know How they make these tests here it's an article that says
iPhone 3GS makes only 5.2 million triangles
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2349515,00.asp
and the link in glbenchmark
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro11&showhide=true&D1=Apple iPhone 3G S
I think that bad results for HTC don't come from Snapdragon chipset but from crappy video drivers from HTC.
I want to add one more thing : This articles says :
And for comparison a few consoles:
PS3: 250 million triangles/sec
Xbox 360: 500 million triangles/sec
Xbox 360 has 2x more triangles per sec than PS3 - Do you think that it has better graphics - I don't think so .
Ooops I found another comparison : http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2557695/googles_nexus_one_vs_the_iphone_3gs.html?cat=15
Here Nexus One beats iPhone.
One iPhone's review says 28 million, other 5-7 million I don't have an iPhone I can't tell which is right but I every review says Nexus One do 22 million triangles which is better for me

desire
i have an desire and i admit it sucks. No matter how fast the cpu are the graphics simply are too poor. It cant play highresolution videos and normal videos lags. Games like assains creed and other 3d games lags too .

bestefarogjeg said:
i have an desire and i admit it sucks. No matter how fast the cpu are the graphics simply are too poor. It cant play highresolution videos and normal videos lags. Games like assains creed and other 3d games lags too .
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If a game lags its the game not your phone.
Compare Homerun 3d battle on the desire to the 3gs it looks way better on desire and runs perfectly smooth.
So I really don't think these numbers mean much.

some games like asphalt 5 got much framedrops due to poor programming of gameloft.

bestefarogjeg said:
i have an desire and i admit it sucks. No matter how fast the cpu are the graphics simply are too poor. It cant play highresolution videos and normal videos lags. Games like assains creed and other 3d games lags too .
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Haven't got a clue what is wrong with your desire but be concerned that it can't play videos smooth.. mine plays 720p mp4 videos at 10mbps without a hitch and that's not even overclocked..

The only good looking 3d games i found to work great, were those of polarbit, tried asphalt 5 from gameloft but that just was barely playable and at times not playable.

All these discussions about games, how old are you? Games is not fun and if you wanna play games you do it on your computer or a pocket device like PSP or that Nintendo DS or something.

ArtieQ said:
All these discussions about games, how old are you?
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Yes, because of course only children play games. I mean, it's not like it's a multi-billion dollar worldwide industry or that the current average age of gamers is 35 or anything. Even if that was true, who are you to tell people what they should care about or want their phone to be capable of? Your attitude here is a total disgrace and your patronising nonsense is utterly uncalled for.
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Games is not fun
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Games aren't fun? Really? Given that the entire point of a game, indeed the only reason it exists, is to create 'fun' for the user this is an amazingly stupid statement to make. It's like saying that the sky isn't blue or water isn't wet.
If you find that games aren't fun then you're doing it wrong. Or just playing crap games I suppose.
ArtieQ said:
and if you wanna play games you do it on your computer or a pocket device like PSP or that Nintendo DS or something.
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Aaand we're back to being patronising again. People can play games anywhere at any time and on any device they want, it's not up to you to dicate what devices someone should be able to use. If developers know they can come to the Android market and make money developing games then it'll attract even more support to the platform in general which helps everyone, including you; so being so dismissive of an entire aspect of software development is short-sighted as well as patronising.

Medulla said:
Aaand we're back to being patronising again. People can play games anywhere at any time and on any device they want, it's not up to you to dicate what devices someone should be able to use. If developers know they can come to the Android market and make money developing games then it'll attract even more support to the platform in general which helps everyone, including you; so being so dismissive of an entire aspect of software development is short-sighted as well as patronising.
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Your missing the entire point, you cant buy a mobile phone and moan that its 3d graphics capability is below par, abviously when quallcomm made the snapdragon, its 3D processing ability was made for programming not gaming, more to run 3D ui's and what not, otherwise they would of included a dedicated gpu and vram, so the above point still stands, if you wana play games on the move buy a ds or psp not a mobile phone lol

[Q] dual cores etc, larger screens - any phones with a higher res coming out?

i mean, i want a phone later on this year that has all of the above. ideally, a 4.7" screen with a 1280x720 res, SAMOLED screen, dual core, tegra2 gpu and so on.
all the above minus the higher res wouldn't be enough of an upgrade imo.
so, any higher res phones coming out? even the optimus x2 has the same res as my desire

tommo123 said:
i mean, i want a phone later on this year that has all of the above. ideally, a 4.7" screen with a 1280x720 res, SAMOLED screen, dual core, tegra2 gpu and so on.
all the above minus the higher res wouldn't be enough of an upgrade imo.
so, any higher res phones coming out? even the optimus x2 has the same res as my desire
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i doubt it, the next logical step would be for an xvga device, (1024x768) but ive never heard of one. maybe you will find one with a higher dpi, like the retina display on iphones

that's it, i want a higher res display but can't get an iphone

You have to wait.

well, my contract's not up till november so hopefully someone out there(looking at LG, they seem to be pushing hard to be successful in this area now) will decide to tick off 'higher res' to add it to a 'better than the iphone 4' list

Motorola just unveiled Atrix 4G on CES. Phone is coming to AT&T and it has 540 x 960 (qHD) resolution.
And other specs also sounds nice - dual-core processor, 1GB of RAM, 1930mAh battery...

Dual core phones are right around the corner, they'll be here before November. However you won't find a phone with a 4.7 inch screen. The biggest will be the size of the Desire HD. The market isn't really big enough for phone companies to bring out a lot of massive phones and people are happy with the size they are now.
Look out for the PS phone, i think thats a 4" dual core phone. Lots of leaks on it.

RED_ said:
Dual core phones are right around the corner, they'll be here before November. However you won't find a phone with a 4.7 inch screen. The biggest will be the size of the Desire HD. The market isn't really big enough for phone companies to bring out a lot of massive phones and people are happy with the size they are now.
Look out for the PS phone, i think thats a 4" dual core phone. Lots of leaks on it.
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NO NO NO NO NO, just looking a the PS Phone makes me think back to the nokia N Gage , plus only 24 fps in neocore lol this year is going to be all about the nvida tegra II

I was wondering when this subject might finally come up here. In spite of the current trend for flagship phones to become bigger than ever, I still think the sweet spot is somewhere between 3.5" and 4.0". I wouldn't buy anything bigger for the full retail price - I'll buy a 10" tablet and a 13" to 15" laptop instead.
Ridiculously enough we're seing 800x480 pixels anywhere, stretched up to 5.0" and even more - and they call that HD (I mean: HTC Desire HD & HTC HD2 for example. Both great devices, but come on! You call that HD?). I don't want bigger screens; I want higher DPI and superior image quality! I said the next phone I'll buy would be 3.7" device with 1280x768 pixels (that would be the next logical step for Android super phones after the iPhone 4: same aspect ratio as before but 2.5x as many pixels and HD ready for real) but it looks like I'll have to wait a long time.
Somebody please tell HTC to produce something like that. I'll buy it instantly

4.7"?? That is hugeeee.

not for me, used to holding something large in my hand
anyhoo, i tried the dell streak and found that comfortable so a 5" phone would do me tbh

Dualcored proc, at least 1.5GB internal memory, independent GPU, at least 1GB RAM, micro SDCard slot, HDMI output, 2 Cameras, flash light, better battery life, etc. etc.
Those are the specs I hope for my next android smartphone....but 4.7 inch screen is not for me...Desire HD is already a bit too big (4.3").
Dell Streak and Galaxy Tab, I hate 'em...it is just too huge for a phone

Please delete my post. Captain Obvious doesn't need to retell every story.
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On top of the above specs. The radio needs to be wcdma or 3g over all 5 bands. That is the only iPhone 4 feature that impressed me.
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I don't think that right now there is a smartphone way better than HTC Desire,so I don't see a good reason to upgrade.I'm also willing to change it.I guess we will have to wait and maybe in the summer there will be one with something like thisual-core Quallcomm with Adreno 3xx,1Gb RAM,8-16 internal memory+microsd card,front-facing camera,better battery life etc.As for the display,the one on the Desire is ok for me,I never had quality problems,and it's size is perfect(Desire HD is way too big for me,I can't hold it firmly in my hand).Overall,I don't think all these are needed,the Desire doesn't have any lag(except the latest games like Dungeon Defenders),but if they are not present then I wouldn't justify an upgrade.
Btw,tegra 2 is not a gpu,it's a dual core cpu

tegra is a gpu solution but uses a A9 cpu along with it I believe its a standard that nvidia has set to be used with their gpu
It makes no sense for nvidia to make a cpu they are a gpu company
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Motorola Atrix, will have a besster resolution. looks very interessting. also with the laptopdock. htc doesnt have anytings in this class.

HTC Ignite and HTC Prime - two new phones with WP7

This 2 phones just go leaked on one chinese website and the names are HTC Ignite and HTC Prime, looking pretty neat.
HTC Ignite equipped with the latest Windows Phone 7 mobile phone operating system, configuration 480 * 800 resolution 3.7-inch resistive touch screen, using Qualcomm 800MHz processor, RAM to 512MB, with a 500-megapixel camera with autofocus and the LED flash and other features. The phone’s fastest upstream speed 2Mbps, fast downlink speeds of 7.2Mbps. The phone design with straight overall, it is extremely sleek, bottom of the screen using the three touch buttons (ie return to the main menu, look for). The phone has always been inherited HTC simple elegant design.
HTC Prime Windows Phone 7 equipped with a mobile phone operating system, configuration, 480 * 800 resolution 3.7-inch touch screen, RAM to 512MB, with a 500-megapixel camera with auto focus and LED flash and other features. Support wi-fi, Bluetooth and other functions. In the design on this phone with sliding full QWERTY keyboard. There’s no dual-core as we can see which is kind of a shame,cause its 2011 and we expect some dual core mobile phones.
HTC Pyramid
Source and images here

markomarkogame said:
This 2 phones just go leaked on one chinese website and the names are HTC Ignite and HTC Prime, looking pretty neat.
HTC Ignite equipped with the latest Windows Phone 7 mobile phone operating system, configuration 480 * 800 resolution 3.7-inch resistive touch screen, using Qualcomm 800MHz processor, RAM to 512MB, with a 500-megapixel camera with autofocus and the LED flash and other features. The phone’s fastest upstream speed 2Mbps, fast downlink speeds of 7.2Mbps. The phone design with straight overall, it is extremely sleek, bottom of the screen using the three touch buttons (ie return to the main menu, look for). The phone has always been inherited HTC simple elegant design.
HTC Prime Windows Phone 7 equipped with a mobile phone operating system, configuration, 480 * 800 resolution 3.7-inch touch screen, RAM to 512MB, with a 500-megapixel camera with auto focus and LED flash and other features. Support wi-fi, Bluetooth and other functions. In the design on this phone with sliding full QWERTY keyboard. There’s no dual-core as we can see which is kind of a shame,cause its 2011 and we expect some dual core mobile phones.
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Are you serious, or is it a typo...cheap-ass resistive touch tech??

MartyLK said:
Are you serious, or is it a typo...cheap-ass resistive touch tech??
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blame the chinesse, they got it first

800MHz processer?
I thought the minimum requirement was a 1GHz..?
Casey

Well I know I sure could use a 500 megapixel camera!

The renders also don't have the mandatory camera button and volume rocker.

Only problem is that specs are jacked up, WP7 can't have resistive touch screens, and have to have 1Ghz processor as the minimum. So while the images may be somewhat "real" either the translation is completely off, or the leak is crap.
But I would like to say that it looks nice.

cyclical said:
Only problem is that specs are jacked up, WP7 can't have resistive touch screens, and have to have 1Ghz processor as the minimum. So while the images may be somewhat "real" either the translation is completely off, or the leak is crap.
But I would like to say that it looks nice.
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While I agree that the WP7 experience would not be the same with resistive touch, I think the 800mhz processor could be correct. MS will likely start opening up more CPU selection, and while 800mhz may sound less powerful than the 1ghz in our phones, we know that an A9 (iPhone 4) can process circles around the 1ghz processor in our phones. So I think that while the 1ghz snapdragon in our phones is a minimum, an 800mhz A8 or A9 would still be more powerful, and therefore an upgrade. (or atleast more power efficient)

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While I agree that the WP7 experience would not be the same with resistive touch, I think the 800mhz processor could be correct. MS will likely start opening up more CPU selection, and while 800mhz may sound less powerful than the 1ghz in our phones, we know that an A9 (iPhone 4) can process circles around the 1ghz processor in our phones. So I think that while the 1ghz snapdragon in our phones is a minimum, an 800mhz A8 or A9 would still be more powerful, and therefore an upgrade. (or atleast more power efficient)
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Outstanding! Thanks for the info.

new game in the marketplace called cell requires 3 finger touch input. Don't think resistive can do that.
I don't think MS would lower the specs. I think the 1ghz is a baseline that won't change for any country.

MartyLK said:
Outstanding! Thanks for the info.
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I should clarify, which I failed to state originally, the reason why I use the processor in the iPhone 4 as an example, is because it is clocked at 800mhz, and all benchmarks point to it being more fuel efficient, and able to process more faster than the 1ghz processor being used in our WP7 devices.
While clock speed is directly tied to performance, clock speed does not compare between two different processor architectures.

nrfitchett4 said:
new game in the marketplace called cell requires 3 finger touch input. Don't think resistive can do that.
I don't think MS would lower the specs. I think the 1ghz is a baseline that won't change for any country.
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Going to an iPhone type CPU wouldn't be going down, it would be going up. The numbers don't mean anything in the real world. Look at how the new iPad2 blows away the "OMG! High-end nVidia" tech in the Xoom.

For those that don't remember, early rumors about the NoDo update suggested that it would add support for the Snapdragon MSM 7230 chipset, which is a 2nd generation snapdragon (with Adreno 205 GPU) on a 45nm process.
This is the same chipset in the T-Mobile G2. It should provide performance on par with our 1 GHz, better battery life, and a better GPU.

nrfitchett4 said:
new game in the marketplace called cell requires 3 finger touch input. Don't think resistive can do that.
I don't think MS would lower the specs. I think the 1ghz is a baseline that won't change for any country.
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Resistive actually could do that in future or even already. It has been a long time ago when there was starting to plan a resistive screen with multi touch.
Also resistive is much more accurate to receive touches. So it's not completely crap as some might say and think.
Also MS could have been lower the requirements of minimum specs. Hasn't anyone heard rumors about cheaper WP phones?

JuWa said:
Resistive actually could do that in future or even already. It has been a long time ago when there was starting to plan a resistive screen with multi touch.
Also resistive is much more accurate to receive touches. So it's not completely crap as some might say and think.
Also MS could have been lower the requirements of minimum specs. Hasn't anyone heard rumors about cheaper WP phones?
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but can you make a resistive screen that isn't plastic (aka glass). I don't think I can go back to a plastic screen.

nrfitchett4 said:
but can you make a resistive screen that isn't plastic (aka glass). I don't think I can go back to a plastic screen.
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No I guess. Thats why it is for cheaper phones, perhaps? Do you wanna go back to cheaper phones?

Well they said they are gonna make more cheap phones

markomarkogame said:
Well they said they are gonna make more cheap phones
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Yeah, and this was later clarified as meaning the phones would be cheaper due to a drop in component prices because of larger orders.
I don't see this as very likely now though with what's going on in Japan as they provide large amounts of the worlds semiconductor and LCD supply.

emigrating said:
Yeah, and this was later clarified as meaning the phones would be cheaper due to a drop in component prices because of larger orders.
I don't see this as very likely now though with what's going on in Japan as they provide large amounts of the worlds semiconductor and LCD supply.
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I imagine the price would already be fixed and supplied from South Korea

Tone_ said:
I imagine the price would already be fixed and supplied from South Korea
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Prices change daily on core components like these and as there are no stock levels (the industry relies on JIT - meaning your stock is basically always in transit and arrives just in time for when you need it) any manufacturer relying on Japanese components are **** out of luck at the moment.

Your Opinions About The Galaxy Nexus and Ice Cream Sandwich

The question is pretty simple: What you guys think about the latest Google dessert?
Here is part of the Dream in Tech team's opinion: http://www.dreamintech.net/2011/10/opinion-corner-android-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich/
The blog is still in the beginning, but we are working hard to make it great.

Well, to put it simply.
ICS > iOS5 and Galaxy Nexus > iPhone 4s
At least the Android flagship device actually has new features... *whip_sound.mp3*

Gavisann said:
Well, to put it simply.
ICS > iOS5 and Galaxy Nexus > iPhone 4s
At least the Android flagship device actually has new features... *whip_sound.mp3*
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^ Says the only guy on the staff that has not started to write his opinion in the post

I'm very impressed by the device.
But analizing that I don't think I'd be so keen to buy it if it wasn't for ICS, In much the same way that iOS5 makes the iPhone4S.
That said, I'm loving the curve of the device, I always found the one on the Nexus S to be too deep, but the Galaxy Nexus seems to look perfect with it.
I know it's not Sammy's way, but some aluminium would have been nice, I guess thats just a personal preference. Lets wait and see how good this Hyper-skin is
Lack of a beatiful UI and clean uniform patterns has always been a gripe of mine in Android and I'm very excited to see everything coming together for the first time.

the inline spellchecker, keyboard, new notifications, swipebetweens are what I liked from 4.0, but the phone itself is meh =\ No SD card slot, 5Mpx, expensive carrier, meh chipset, and no hardware navigation buttons are enough to turn me off. I can't believe how good the phone is despite the fact that that it falls short in key areas =[

xxhorseriderxxx said:
no hardware navigation buttons are enough to turn me off.
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Why is this?
I'm liking how they're virtual.
Slightly disappointing that they're there at all, have you used a Blackberry play book or MacOS Lion, the gestures on both of these are fantastic and I'd hope that android would more to something similar in the future

From what I've seen, the package certainly looks very impressive. The screen looks amazing...super AMOLED is already awesome but now in HD! Wow.
The dual core 1.2 ghz CPU is standard...the fact that its a Texas Instruments rather than Exynos is not a biggie for me. They are both comparable...its all about software optimizations in the end.
5MP camera is good enough...more megapixels does not necessarily mean much after 5. Ram is standard 1 gigabyte which is very good.
Now onto ICS. Very impressed from what I've seen again. It looks a lot like honeycomb for tablets which is good. It looks quite smooth and fast.
I've read somewhere that GPU acceleration has been confirmed to have been implemented but I'm not sure. I've not read any official confirmation of that. Perhaps someone can clear it up for me here. If it has then great. It was my number one priority for ICS.
Overall, there seems to be a lot of new features in ICS but only hands on time will tell. It certainly looks great. Smooth and very Fast!
The hardware of the galaxy nexus is awesome i think. 32 gigabyte storage is also important. I do wish however that they had included an SD card slot. But I'm sure 32 should be enough for most.
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I would love ICS.
I do not want the GN.

GalaxyNexus is a meh! spec compared to S2.
SG3 will be announced 2012 January.
Rumor says it will have quad core.
If so, then I think I'll bypass GalaxyNexus and wait for S3.

zeitgeb3r said:
GalaxyNexus is a meh! spec compared to S2.
SG3 will be announced 2012 January.
Rumor says it will have quad core.
If so, then I think I'll bypass GalaxyNexus and wait for S3.
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Honestly i dont understand the craziness about quad cores. Aside from 1gig of ram and standard 1ghz dual chip i could care less about quad cores in phones.
I'm not having a go...i mean really, what would one do with a quad core phone that one couldn't do with a dual core. Software optimization is the key now i think.
Aside from high Res graphics for certain games i do not see the fascination with quad cores and dual gpus etc.
There comes a point where the specs cannot really add much more to the overall experience anymore. I think we are getting to that point now. The software is gonna be the most important aspect from now on i think. We finally have incredible powerful hardware, but there are still lags and slowdowns etc.
These wont change with quad cores or double tripple quad dual cores or whatever. What is needed is software optimizations. Optimizations that fully take advantage of the available hardware. Only this will fix our lags and slowdowns and enhance our usage of mobile computing.
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voyager_s said:
Honestly i dont understand the craziness about quad cores. Aside from 1gig of ram and standard 1ghz dual chip i could care less about quad cores in phones.
I'm not having a go...i mean really, what would one do with a quad core phone that one couldn't do with a dual core. Software optimization is the key now i think.
Aside from high Res graphics for certain games i do not see the fascination with quad cores and dual gpus etc.
There comes a point where the specs cannot really add much more to the overall experience anymore. I think we are getting to that point now. The software is gonna be the most important aspect from now on i think. We finally have incredible powerful hardware, but there are still lags and slowdowns etc.
These wont change with quad cores or double tripple quad dual cores or whatever. What is needed is software optimizations. Optimizations that fully take advantage of the available hardware. Only this will fix our lags and slowdowns and enhance our usage of mobile computing.
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Software optimizations, and for battery technology to finally catch up with transistors...

i'm not a gamer, the specs are secondary to the handset itself for me. i'm still gaga over my nexus s and it's "pedestrian specs".
eric b

I will have to hold and play with the the device to get a feel for the size. Coming from a Nexus One the Galaxy Nexus seems huge. Right now this is my main worry.
I don't care about Mega-pixels. The performance of the camera, lens, and image processing software is far more important. I want clear pictures, good indoor/low light, minimal shutter lag on start-up and between shots, and a flash that actually works well with the camera (i.e. intelligently controls output based on the shot details). It's hard to grade the device yet on these items.
If Google finally put deep rooted GPU acceleration into the OS and made it so that developers don't have to jump through hoops to use it then that will be an awesome change. The iPhones have often had lower spec hardware but buttery smooth performance due to software optimization and solid use of the GPU. I really hope this is real for Android.
I've posted elsewhere but I think lack of an SD card is a conscious choice because I don't think Google has worked out the kinks with SD cards post-Gingerbread. SD card support still isn't that great in HoneyComb. This could be a win for the user experience and since I can live with 32GB I'm not marking it down for this item.
I liked the improvements in Ice Cream Sandwich, especially the attempts at making the interface more consistent. Having home screens navigate left-right but having the app drawer navigate up-down never made sense. These screens look too similar to work differently. Putting widgets in a tab in the app drawer and making their addition to home screens consistent with apps also makes sense.
No hardware buttons is nice. I have a Honeycomb tablet and having the buttons move with the screen when going from portrait to landscape is nice and again adds consistency to the user experience. Once you get used to it having buttons fixed in portrait orientation like on current phones seems awkward. Also having the buttons change with the context of the application is a nice feature.
Anyone hear of any improvements in VPN support, specifically Cisco AnyConnect. So far it has only been available for certain phones due to tunnel driver issues. It would be a nice addition to the Galaxy Nexus since the HD display would make Citrix Receiver or other business apps easier to use on a phone.

voyager_s said:
Honestly i dont understand the craziness about quad cores. Aside from 1gig of ram and standard 1ghz dual chip i could care less about quad cores in phones.
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Aside from high Res graphics for certain games i do not see the fascination with quad cores and dual gpus etc.
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"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, IBM, 1943.
"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." - Ken Olson, DEC, 1977.
"640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, 1981

FYI. ICS does have hardware acceleration added. See android.com for ICS features.
OpenGL ES texture views
A new TextureView object lets developers directly integrate OpenGL ES textures as rendering targets in a UI hierarchy. The object lets developers display and manipulate OpenGL ES rendering just as they would a normal view object in the hierarchy, including moving, transforming, and animating the view as needed. The TextureView object makes it easy for developers to embed camera preview, decoded video, OpenGL game scenes, and more. TextureView can be viewed as a more powerful version of the existing SurfaceView object, since it offers the same benefits of access to a GL rendering surface, with the added advantage of having that surface participate fully in the normal view hierarchy.
Hardware-accelerated 2D drawing
All Android-powered devices running Android 4.0 are required to support hardware-accelerated 2D drawing. Developers can take advantage of this to add great UI effects while maintaining optimal performance on high-resolution screens, even on phones. For example, developers can rely on accelerated scaling, rotation, and other 2D operations, as well as accelerated UI components such as TextureView and compositing modes such as filtering, blending, and opacity.
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In terms of performance... a OMAP Dual-Core 1.2 GHz should a ****ing BEAST. So... quite enough. I was hoping for 1.5 GHz, though.
In terms of design... I need to look at the model later when it gets released... the color and the dock dots seem a bit off.
The buttons... I hope that CM or other teams are able to make ICS render other buttons (like a 4th search button, or at least change the icons, they look too honeycomb-ish).
ICS looks great. That message response to call thingie sounds like a great feature.
NFC sounds like a neat feature too because you won't have to go around menus to send someone something... as long as they have a NFC device too. With ICS. The new wallpapers look great too, I guess. Not to speak about Hardware Acceleration!!!
Overall, I still gotta wait. I'm also going to wait for the usual price cuts that happen after 4~5 months of release to get it, if I am going to get it. Or I might wait for the next Nexus... hopefully Motorola isn't going to **** it up.

I was no timpressed with the screen on the TMo SGS2 to start with so I just pre ordered the Prime...
As far as number of cores go, I woulkd rather see mor edevelopment in battery technology.
Let's face it, battery life sucks in anything I can think about.