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I got my t-mobile TP2 at the end of August. At first I thought it was the best device ever. The screen was huge and clear. Web browsing was awesome and the keyboard is just the best...
Now a few months later I hate this thing. All the things I love are still true but so many bad things have surfaced.
The phone is slow and unresponsive. I hate that it ignores my inputs and I push the key again and again and again and then it decides to empty the buffer and gives me 15 of the letter I was trying to type. I don't like the wait after I make an entry.
I can't stand the lack of a scroll wheel and Dpad. Take GoogleMaps, I knew before that certain actions were a precise number of scroll clicks and then a click to select. Without the wheel I'm stuck pocking at the screen. I used to be able to use Gmaps driving without looking and only taking attention away from driving for a split second. I can't use it now because it's too risky...
I've tried to speed the device up and make it as close to what I want as possible. I turned off Manila and installed voldpad but it's not enough. I'm sick of hard resetting the device trying to make it faster.
The stupid iphone did this. Microsoft and HTC now think that everyone wants to tap away at screens with gimmicky interfaces and the devices are loosing real functionality.
My 8125 was a better device, buttons everywhere and didn't lag.
Thoughts?
yup, walk to the toilet and flushhhhhhhhhh it
I would have to agree with you to a point. My first device was the 8525 . I have also used the tilt and the fuze. It seemed with each generation, the device loses fuctons out of the box. If it was not for xda, i would be hating these devices and gotten an iphone. The tilt 2 is no exeption but the improvements over the fuze out weight the bad aspectes of the device. It might be awhile before the apps catch up with the hardware.
there has been a new wave of devices that use the sliding keybord layout. e features of the upcoming droid read like the wishlist for htc on the touch pro 2
Crazya said:
The phone is slow and unresponsive. I hate that it ignores my inputs and I push the key again and again and again and then it decides to empty the buffer and gives me 15 of the letter I was trying to type. I don't like the wait after I make an entry.
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Well, this sounds like a hardware issue to me.. perhaps you have a defective phone. Mine is fine, there are a few software glitches here and there, but overall that problem is not common for this device.
I came from a Wizard, so ya know..
I hear ya, I came from a Samsung i760, quite possibly the last WinMoPro phone that will ever sport a traditional phone button grid on the front of the phone (*plus* an excellent slide-out qwerty.) I got quite used to it, and I could do everything blindfolded. It was also built like a tank, no case needed.
But like you, I was seduced by that big, luscious WVGA screen. And so far Im pretty happy, although I do miss the buttons (and Dpad) alot. "The devils' greatest trick was to make the world think they didnt need phones with buttons" was my mantra.
Well, the tradeoffs are good, good enough that I think I'll stick with the TP2 until something better comes along. The speed is much faster, the screen is, well, gorgeous, and a myriad of little other things make it more preferable than the i760 *OVERALL*.
...but man, I wish I could mate the two little bricks and get the best of both worlds.
Well it just is impossible to have both a large screen and buttons on the front of the phone. I still think this phone is the best of both world with the slide out keyboard. This phone's keyboard is very easy to use and large. My Tilt keyboard would sometimes not register a key input because I didn't push the key hard enough. This one is as fast and easy as typing on my computer.
As for sluggishness, I have had none and still use the default T-Mobile rom with TouchFlo3D. Which is actually very suprising to me in having it work so well. With the Tilt you had to ditch the AT&T rom so fast it wasn't even funny. As for your keyboard problem, it almost sound like a hardware buffer problem or that you have something messing you drivers or freezing your phone. First I would check the Memory Usage and then perhaps dig down deeper into the Task Manager and see CPU Usage of your various apps to see if any are hogging it. Perhaps selectively uninstall software. Or last try a warranty exchange.
Granted, my T-Mobile USA Touch Pro 2 doesn't have much installed or changed yet. It does have Exchange Push activated and Facebook, actuall AIM, MyPhone, Marketplace, Bing, Skyfire, PHM RegEdit, Netflix Mobile, and Garmin Mobile XT installed.
I noticed a huge reduction in issues once I switched to WinMo6.5. The keyboard buffering problem is still there, but it's nowhere near as bad, and only really occurs if you fire up an app and immediately start typing.
You just have to realize that what you typed WILL show up eventually, and that the device will quickly catch up to you. It's no different than opening Windows PowerShell on my laptop, and typing a command while waiting for it to load, it'll execute the command once it's loaded...I don't have to worry...
My problem with the TP2 is that it feels fragile and just too.. plastic.. I've had a HTC Wizard before which didn't feel like cheapass plastic.
Too bad HTC has cut on the quality of their phones.. I don't want my phone to feel like it's going to break when I bend the hinge.
i feel the same way. for me tho, i dont think its the phone... i think ita WinMo6.5. So outdated and UGLY with the 6.5.1 additions of "finger buttons." ive been searching for a phone that i can use on tmo with 3g, othrer than mytouch and g1. i hate those devices. if i could get the rhodium onto hero, life would prolly be better.
I am with you 100% when it comes to the d-pad. I currently am still on the Fuze and miss the d-pad from the Tilt. Left and right on the Fuze is unreliable, but I can still use up and down. I am very hesitant to move "up" to the Tilt 2, and you are confirming my fears.
You are right, and I've also thought that if/when Apple makes an iPhone with a qwerty keyboard, you will suddently see a huge influx of new devices with qwerty keyboards. I also bet Apple will come out with a slick voice recognition interface, then everyone else will be following suit with that too.
I still love mine, but dumped the stock ROM a long time ago. I'm on Fusion v6.0, 21869.
I moved to the Rhodium from the Vogue about a month ago and I have to say I love it as much today as I did the day it arrived, probably more. Stock ROM. I thank God every day the DPAD is gone - what a waste of space. Have experienced no hardware issues and far fewer software issues. For the first time, I have a phone that only gets reset during my weekly backup each Monday morning instead of every day or two. Although initially I hated the addition of the audio jack, I recently had occasion to use it for playing preshow music over a theatre sound system for a play, so even that came it handy, though I will always prefer Bluetooth audio.
All i can say is every one to there own, People will love it People will hate it, Me i love it, On the other hand if you Hate it GET RID and leave us to enjoy ours
Well, I'm glad so many still like it. I think my next step is to check out another unit in the store and see if mine is defective.
I'm also going to look at a new ROM, maybe that will speed it up. Any recommendations as to which one I should try?
Well I am been using it for a few months now and it still runs fine. I haven't flashed any ROM yet. Still with Telstra 6.1 ROM.
However, I do miss the D-pad too. Problem is having a large screen and a D-Pad will make the phone larger. I don't think I want anything larger so if I have to choose I will go with large screen. Otherwise I would have bought the TP instead.
I think that they could get both in there if they tried. Maybe a little joystick like the qtek 8130 or the 2125...
I miss the DPad, but then again, the screen is so much bigger than my Diamond that it's easier to finger navigate. A Blackberry trackball would have been awesome.
I'm two weeks into my Sprint TP2 with stock 6.1 ROM, and I am loving it. I listen to music and watch TV shows on the train during my commute. I just discovered voice command and I'm playing around with it. Selecting media is still a bit dodgy, but making calls works amazingly well without a need to record tags for each contact.
I know these features were available on the Diamond, but the headphone jack and storage card make all the difference in the world. I now realize that 4GB non-expandable storage is a huge liability (and ActiveSync is a slow-ass way to transfer files). The USB adapter discouraged me from using the Diamond for music -- now I listen to music and podcasts when I commute via car. No more staticky, commercial ridden radio for me.
I loaded Fusion visual voicemail, but I haven't been able to use it because I haven't missed a single call since I got the TP2 (with the Treo, Diamond, and Mogul, I would frequently get calls that went straight to voicemail).
And the battery life is a tremendous improvement over the Diamond. When I used the Diamond, I would leave the house with a full charge and then recharge it two more times at work. I don't know if I could get through an entire day on one charge with the TP2 (it would be close), but the charging itself is so much faster that I just need a 20 minute boost towards the end of the day to get me back home. The Diamond would sometimes takes 2 hours to get back to full charge. It was maddening.
I think the two features that would have made this phone perfect are a trackball and more stable screen rotation. Many apps practically crash when you rotate the screen (opera mini has to be restarted if I accidentally open the screen to type, and a couple of times I had to hard reboot because it got locked up). I'm glad the G Sensor doesn't rotate most programs -- I actually find it an annoyance. I prefer portrait mode 99% of the time unless I'm using the keyboard.
And speaking of which, what an awesome keyboard. The Mogul keyboard was awful, which is why I settled for the Diamond instead of waiting for the Touch Pro to come back into stock. I figured I barely ever used the keyboard, so it didn't make sense to spend more money and wait an indefinite amount of time for a feature I didn't even use. The TP2 keyboard is a different animal -- the spaced, offset keys make typing a breeze. I can actually pound out a few paragraphs now without having to correct every fourth letter. It more than makes up for the thickness.
And now that I have the keyboard, I can control emulated games. That was pretty much impossible on the Diamond.
Maybe in a few weeks I could change my mind, but I doubt it. If I could get the VolDpad repeat scroll mode to work properly in Opera Mini, I wouldn't even mind not having a trackball.
I have owned every HTC phone ever offered by AT&T (previously Cingular) , starting with the 2150 (wizard) , Hermes, Kaizer, Raphael, and now Rhodium. The first (2150 or wizard) was almost useless, and although you can see the potential it was practically a piece of trash. With the Hermes and Kaiser things slightly improved especially if I flashed the correct ROM, I still have my Kaiser which I use as a substitute phone. Starting with Fuze (Raphael) these phones are significantly improved, none the less lack of support for a capacitive screen have kept them one or two steps behind the Iphone or even your regular touch screen phones. My son has an LG with Symbian OS and the touch screen works beautifully, and its a lot less cost than these expensive WM phones. The notification remains an issue especially lack of repeat without third party apps.
Yet the versatility and potential for customization is far beyond any other phone. I have to say that if this site was not in existence, most likely I, like many others would have given up on these types of phones a long time ago (HTC listen and heed).
This long winded start of this post is to give you my two cents based on my experience. By virtue of being a member of this site we all make modifications to our phones, install and uninstall a huge number of app and ROMs, we remap keys and make short cuts etc. Windows OS tends to leave behind fragments of programs and registry changes and even key that were created even after uninstalls, and after many of these you have dead snippets of code left behind scattered all over, you also will have other modifications created by these programs that do not revert to original by simple uninstall, leaving your phone operating at a much less than optimal settings, where some setting is causing it to look for a program that does not exist anymore, or it is constantly hunting for things you already uninstalled, etc. My experience with my last two phones from att, is that the original ROM was really optimized specifically for that device, on both after flashing many ROMs I found that the original ROM (minus bloatware loaded by the carrier) gave me the best option for speed and functionality, which made these excellent devices much better than any phone on the market, and yes much better than an Iphone. I also found that after few month with heavy customization my phones became boggy and did not work well. I suggest that if your phone today is not working as well as it did when you first bought it, you should do a hard reset, learn how to us Sashmi which will automatically reload all the programs and settings you need. Other commercial back up programs may back up the settings that are causing the problem, and may not be useful for this purpose. Just try using your phone immediately after a hard reset with no extra software and you might be surprised at how much better it functions. If you reload your programs and it again becomes slow, then a software you are loading that may not be compatible. If so inclined you may want to reload your programs one by one and you should be able to figure out which one is causing the problem. You may have to live without a program that you like; remember many cabs you load from here are Beta modifications that are ported from other devices that may not function well on your phone . If your original OS is not fast enough then you should flash a ROM from this site that was designed for your device based on your carrier. You should remember that although it is a lot of fun to modify your phone, you may not have the best combination for optimizing your phone, and the slowness may be a result of all the fun you had doing that. I don't think it fair to say that your phone does not function well after you changed many things on it. But if you are like me, you will continue to mess with it as long as you are on this site, just remember to reset and start from scratch and things will go back to how they were!
Here's my HTC history:
Hermes (TyTN): Clunky, but a nice phone for its time
Kaiser: (TYTN II): As above, lovely tilting keyboard, faster and the most responsive satnav of them all.
Raphael (Touch Pro): What were they thinking! Screen too small and GPS a total failure, often just not working - and when it did the lag was awful. Hate this phone with a passion.
Rhodium (Touch Pro 2): Great phone. Miss the dpad a bit. No TAB key!! (OK, you can map one). Slight GPS lag. S2U2 pretty much mandatory to avoid calling people from your pocket.
If I couldn't have the Rhodium, I'd go back to my Kaiser.
I have not played enough with my TP2 yet, but I think if you like hardware buttons, you can customize the existing buttons with utilities like AE buttons and many others which allows you even double or triple click on the same buttons. I use it even on Tilt which has D pad and the scroll wheel as well. I would say give it a try.
Hello all
Brand new to the board.
Sorry if this is the wrong form for this as I think this may be more a WM question but I just got my first smartphone a TP2 having come off an old MotorolaV60s and I’m having one heck of a time getting this user interface thing down.
I’m pretty savvy with PCs but this thing where I have to use my thumb or what ever to move around the screen as well as activate something on it is a major pain.
Basically I want to move through lets say my contacts list to call someone but as try to move the screen though the many that are there to get to the one I want, I keep ending up activate one way before that and it goes to that one, so then I have to back out and then start all over.
Some times it takes me quite awhile of accidental activations before I finally can get to the one I want.
It’s very tricky and very very annoying!
In regards to this I have a few noob questions.
Does this thing work on a timing thing, in other words, does the length of time I hold it get it going or is something else.
If it is a length of time thing, can I hack it some how?
In other words, I don’t want to slow down how the flow works or how sensitive anything is, just how long it will take to activate something so that if it were longer, while I’m moving things around there would be less chance that I might accidentally activate something unless I really mean too?
Also are there any really great public forms for just the Windows Mobile program that would be better for stuff like this, I’m sure this one is great but I was just wondering if there were any really dedicated to WM alone ones out there.
Thanks for any help.
I stumbled on to this site looking at phones on ebay. Great find. I see that some of the threads indicate that some end users have been able to replace the ROM and OS on there Tilt 2 WINMO phones with Android and other fixes to make this incredibly slow freezing phone a respectable Smart Phone. I have been a WINMO user for over eight years and have never owned a bigger slower piece since my original brick phone. Have had it replaced twice and now am going to switch to the new Android offering from At&t. But if I can make this better phone I am all about it. I know I sound like a total rook but some help would be appreciated.
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I stumbled on to this site looking at phones on ebay. Great find. I see that some of the threads indicate that some end users have been able to replace the ROM and OS on there Tilt 2 WINMO phones with Android and other fixes to make this incredibly slow freezing phone a respectable Smart Phone. I have been a WINMO user for over eight years and have never owned a bigger slower piece since my original brick phone. Have had it replaced twice and now am going to switch to the new Android offering from At&t. But if I can make this better phone I am all about it. I know I sound like a total rook but some help would be appreciated.
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sure you can replace WM with Android, but remember its not a fully operational OS because its a port, so i hope you can live with no sound, bluetooth and no camera....battery could be an issue but with the latest builds its been a HUGE improvement ever since the project started, and also to have a MicroSD card in hand to make Android work, but keep in mind the speeds are not going to be like Windows Mobile since it runs off of a MicroSD, but if you really up for it and you want to speed up your Tilt 2 if youre on WM, i recommend flashing a ROM just be sure to HARDSPL before you do
Android:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=627997
Flashing ROMs guide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=550540
good luck!
Cool so Android is out on the Tilt. I noticed what you have done with your tilt 2. Even though I am Computer savy I would like to do something somewhat easy for the first time out. Thanks for the help I will check out the info you gave me and hopefully get it done right.
I keep reading posts about what a POS the Tilt 2/TP2 is and I'm baffled because mine just doesn't seem to fit that description. Mind you, it's no speed demon, but it does all I ask of it with ease. And I've yet to have it freeze up requiring a physical reset. I hard reset it once, but that was because I installed some stuff that wasn't designed for it. I've modded the heck out of mine and gotten the eye candy (of which there's a ton to choose from) where I like it. Yesterday, I impressed some friends when I quickly got some restaurant info from Bing on my phone and then did a quick Skyfire search on some rock band to settle a bet. This is not my first WinMo device, but it certainly is the best so far.
brother I wish mine was all that. I got my first htc tilt2 in Jan this year. Did alot of research and did not find a whole lot to worry about. Got the phone and was happy for about the first month was up. The internet is slow, constantly freezes, when switching to keyboard the darn thing goes three ways from sunday and locks up. I have actually seen static like on my tv. So I went to the local At&T device support center and the dough head told me its windows you will have to learn to deal with it being a hunk of junk. On my second one signal sucks still slow as hell and locks up all the time. Have had to reset (hard) numerous times. Not gona get rid of them, however gona check out some of the mods and see how it goes. The HTC is also not my first WINMO originally started with the orginal Black Jack and dont look forward to the droid conversion. But Will check it out and Hopefully mod this one out with this site.
Last week i placed an order for an HTC HD7 - yes! yes! despite it having supposedly a sub-par quality display and all - but while visiting a local shop here in Pakistan, i was surprised to find none other than the HTC Mozart. The box was packed and he wouldn't open it for me to see the device till i put some cash on the counter and committed to purchase... So i was definitely a little bit hesitant. I searched around the entire market in Lahore and surprisingly no one else had any Windows Phone 7 devices in stock, and then my heart raced at the idea of getting a new device right then rather than wait 2 weeks for it to get delivered and thus i ended up buying the Mozart and canceled my order of the HD7...
It has been over 3 days now since i bought it and i'm completely in love with the system! (Might i add, the display on the Mozart is STUNNING!) Everything was smooth... from the first boot to initial setup to syncing with Zune and all. Even my outlook and facebook contacts played nice with each other and linked together perfectly for the most part. But of course i dreaded problems in the Operating System as i've been reading from other users... When i purchased the phone, i braced myself for application crashes, device hangups, unresponsiveness, connectivity issues, and more..
But surprisingly... I haven't had a single application crash yet! Well, if you don't count this one time when one of the HTC applications crashed while loading up but when started again, it let me in without any problem - i.e. i didn't have to restart. Actually, it's been close to 2 days now since i restarted the phone and in that time i've installed new games and applications and tested them out, responded to dozens of emails, connected with facebook, and a lot more... (the only time i restarted it the first time was when i had set up all accounts and everything else... kind of an old habit i guess carried over from Windows Mobile )
So i'm confused when i read about application crashes, and unresponsive UI, and what not. Sure there are times a game might take a tad bit longer than usual to load up (but honestly, even 'The Harvest' loads up pretty quick on the Mozart) or when you tap on an item in the menu, it doesn't register so you have to top it again... but overall, the RTM of Windows Phone 7 seems to be quite a stable build!
Before i decided to move to Windows Phone 7, i read dozens and dozens of reviews of the software and devices... the best one was by Paul Thurrott (h ttp://www.winsupersite.com/mobile/wp7.asp) who sums it up as follows (excerpt only): "Windows Phone 7 is a game changer, for both Microsoft and the broader smart phone industry. But for the short term, you need to know going in that Windows Phone is beautiful but flawed." The thing i really liked about his review is that he praises the system openly but also bashes it for every single problem and shortcoming in the system... If you haven't read it yet, do so now... I promise you that you won't find a better review than this.
I agree with him... There are flaws here and there and definitely some functionality that we would have liked to see, but give it a break guys... this is version 1.0! And from the looks of it, it looks like Microsoft is gearing up for an update that'll not only include Copy-Paste but other functions and fixes.. and unlike some systems, we won't have to wait a whole year for updates...
Sure i've had to tap more than once to open something, or my biggest problem was with it adding a '/' character when i hit the enter key while in landscape (this happened only once, i switched to portrait and went back to landscape and it was fixed)
The biggest problem that i have with my new Windows Phone 7 device? I hate that i can't change tracks using the provided handsfree... and from what i'm hearing, it's probably not supported in v1. Maybe whoever told me that is wrong and someone here know why i can't get it to work? Not much phone taking our the phone everytime i want to change the track while running on the treadmill... But other than that... i LOVE my phone and i LOOOOOOOOOOVE Windows Phone 7...
How about you?
Regards.
Salman Khalid.
congrats on the purchase. how much did it cost in local currency?
It cost me Rs. 60,000/- for the device... which is close to $700... I know it's expensive compared to what its being sold for at various sites like Expansys and Clove, but it was totally worth clearing out my wallet for...
So it wasn't service locked? The only WP7 device that I've heard of that isn't locked to a service provider is the dell venue pro
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So it wasn't service locked? The only WP7 device that I've heard of that isn't locked to a service provider is the dell venue pro
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Nope... it was unlocked. It's branded Orange and has their software on it too, but completely unlocked...
I'm wondering if i do a hard-reset, not that i need to, would it lock it by any chance?
Another day gone by and another day's great experience...
One other thing that i don't like that much is the battery... I mean, it gets me through most part of the day but i expected it to be better. Perhaps the fast drain is due to my high usage along with Bluetooth and Wifi continuously turned on and Exchange email hooked up and all...?
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Nope... it was unlocked. It's branded Orange and has their software on it too, but completely unlocked...
I'm wondering if i do a hard-reset, not that i need to, would it lock it by any chance?
Another day gone by and another day's great experience...
One other thing that i don't like that much is the battery... I mean, it gets me through most part of the day but i expected it to be better. Perhaps the fast drain is due to my high usage along with Bluetooth and Wifi continuously turned on and Exchange email hooked up and all...?
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Once your phone is unlocked, it's unlocked for good. You can do a hard-reset with no problems. Battery will get better day by day don't worry. It takes a full month for the battery to learn your charge/discharge habbits. You want to discharge your phone battery as much as you can before you put it for charge again to increase battery life.
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Once your phone is unlocked, it's unlocked for good. You can do a hard-reset with no problems. Battery will get better day by day don't worry. It takes a full month for the battery to learn your charge/discharge habbits. You want to discharge your phone battery as much as you can before you put it for charge again to increase battery life.
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Cool... thanks for that!
Love the device more... It's an attention grabber too!
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Once your phone is unlocked, it's unlocked for good. You can do a hard-reset with no problems. Battery will get better day by day don't worry. It takes a full month for the battery to learn your charge/discharge habbits. You want to discharge your phone battery as much as you can before you put it for charge again to increase battery life.
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Yeah buying them unlocked is always good if you have the money as its always better than being locked in a contract with a carrier.
So just now I took my phone out of my pocket, and hit the power button to wake it up.
The screen stayed blank.
I then pressed and held the power button. The LG logo came up like usual when you're powering it on. I thought oh brother it must've turned itself off.
Then the logo didn't go away. It just stayed there. So I pressed and held the button again. Every time I did that, the screen would go black, but then start booting again.... without me having pressed the power button to turn it on. And the LG logo would hang, and the phone would not do anything.
So for the first time since I've owned this phone, I had to do a battery pull. A testament to wp7 is that I didn't even know how to open it. I hadn't had to.
With the NoDo patheticness, and now this, I'm starting to get a realllllll funny feeling I've been "fooled twice". Please don't give me the "early adopter" nonsense, we bought a product. It should work. It's that simple.
The sad thing is, I'm one of the biggest supporters of the wp7 OS. But I cannot f*cking believe I had to do a battery pull. Utter garbage. If I was wealthy, I'd throw this piece of **** in the garbage and go buy an iPhone.
(maybe not as I still enjoy the OS, but it's pretty upsetting)
So here's to hoping MS has media scans and sees this.
Thanks a lot Microsoft. You obviously haven't learned a ****ing thing.
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So just now I took my phone out of my pocket, and hit the power button to wake it up.
The screen stayed blank.
I then pressed and held the power button. The LG logo came up like usual when you're powering it on. I thought oh brother it must've turned itself off.
Then the logo didn't go away. It just stayed there. So I pressed and held the button again. Every time I did that, the screen would go black, but then start booting again.... without me having pressed the power button to turn it on. And the LG logo would hang, and the phone would not do anything.
So for the first time since I've owned this phone, I had to do a battery pull. A testament to wp7 is that I didn't even know how to open it. I hadn't had to.
With the NoDo patheticness, and now this, I'm starting to get a realllllll funny feeling I've been "fooled twice". Please don't give me the "early adopter" nonsense, we bought a product. It should work. It's that simple.
The sad thing is, I'm one of the biggest supporters of the wp7 OS. But I cannot f*cking believe I had to do a battery pull. Utter garbage. If I was wealthy, I'd throw this piece of **** in the garbage and go buy an iPhone.
(maybe not as I still enjoy the OS, but it's pretty upsetting)
So here's to hoping MS has media scans and sees this.
Thanks a lot Microsoft. You obviously haven't learned a ****ing thing.
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I got labeled as "argumentative" and a "troll" for saying what you just said. And was infracted.
Well (as you know) there's no trolling in my post.
I'm the type that when I buy something, I expect it to work. Little glitches here and there I get. But when the thing CAN'T. TURN. ON...
it's like I'm back in 2007 with my HTC Touch. Ridiculous.
When you purchase a car, would you get upset if all of a sudden the thing wouldn't turn on? Well guess what, an automobile is miles more complicated than a cell phone. It just shouldn't be a problem.
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So just now I took my phone out of my pocket, and hit the power button to wake it up.
The screen stayed blank.
I then pressed and held the power button. The LG logo came up like usual when you're powering it on. I thought oh brother it must've turned itself off.
Then the logo didn't go away. It just stayed there. So I pressed and held the button again. Every time I did that, the screen would go black, but then start booting again.... without me having pressed the power button to turn it on. And the LG logo would hang, and the phone would not do anything.
So for the first time since I've owned this phone, I had to do a battery pull. A testament to wp7 is that I didn't even know how to open it. I hadn't had to.
With the NoDo patheticness, and now this, I'm starting to get a realllllll funny feeling I've been "fooled twice". Please don't give me the "early adopter" nonsense, we bought a product. It should work. It's that simple.
The sad thing is, I'm one of the biggest supporters of the wp7 OS. But I cannot f*cking believe I had to do a battery pull. Utter garbage. If I was wealthy, I'd throw this piece of **** in the garbage and go buy an iPhone.
(maybe not as I still enjoy the OS, but it's pretty upsetting)
So here's to hoping MS has media scans and sees this.
Thanks a lot Microsoft. You obviously haven't learned a ****ing thing.
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I understand your frustration. I've hard to do about 4 battery pulls on my Samsung Focus. Most of those times the device froze in the Music + Videos hub while playing music. But all in all, that's a lot better than my old WM6.1 phone. Especially because WP7 boots in about 35 seconds instead of the full 1-2 minutes for WM6.
I'm not complaining because let's face it, all products have problems. Some manufacturers *cough*Apple*cough* just choose to call them features or ignore them entirely. How many times has the iPhone alarm had bugs that caused the alarm to not work or go off late? I think it has happened every time we transitioned into or out of DST for the past 2 or 3 years. Moreover, if the iPhone freezes and you can't power it off, you can't remove the battery. Not only might it take hours for the device to die, during which you can't use it. But when it does die, you have to wait for it to recharge from 0%. I don't know about others here, but I'll take WP7 over iOS any day.
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Well (as you know) there's no trolling in my post.
I'm the type that when I buy something, I expect it to work. Little glitches here and there I get. But when the thing CAN'T. TURN. ON...
it's like I'm back in 2007 with my HTC Touch. Ridiculous.
When you purchase a car, would you get upset if all of a sudden the thing wouldn't turn on? Well guess what, an automobile is miles more complicated than a cell phone. It just shouldn't be a problem.
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There wasn't any trolling in my post back then either. But I still received an infraction. In fact, you were one who called me a troll.
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I understand your frustration. I've hard to do about 4 battery pulls on my Samsung Focus. Most of those times the device froze in the Music + Videos hub while playing music. But all in all, that's a lot better than my old WM6.1 phone. Especially because WP7 boots in about 35 seconds instead of the full 1-2 minutes for WM6.
I'm not complaining because let's face it, all products have problems. Some manufacturers *cough*Apple*cough* just choose to call them features or ignore them entirely. How many times has the iPhone alarm had bugs that caused the alarm to not work or go off late? I think it has happened every time we transitioned into or out of DST for the past 2 or 3 years. Moreover, if the iPhone freezes and you can't power it off, you can't remove the battery. Not only might it take hours for the device to die, during which you can't use it. But when it does die, you have to wait for it to recharge from 0%. I don't know about others here, but I'll take WP7 over iOS any day.
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Good point about the iPhone battery. Every time my wife's iPhone glitches, I wince thinking... what if the battery needs to be pulled.
Like I said, I still love the wp7 OS, it's just, after the absolute disaster of wm, it's very........ frustrating.
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There wasn't any trolling in my post back then either. But I still received an infraction. In fact, you were one who called me a troll.
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Well I probably thought you were, I dunno.
I'm still not sure, as weren't you the one that was pushing all the Palm OS people to vote in the mobile OS bracket?
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Well I probably thought you were, I dunno.
I'm still not sure, as weren't you the one that was pushing all the Palm OS people to vote in the mobile OS bracket?
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Do you consider WP7 better, all around, than WebOS? And the WebOS was well after the infraction and all the allegations upon mysellf.
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Do you consider WP7 better, all around, than WebOS? And the WebOS was well after the infraction and all the allegations upon mysellf.
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I don't understand the point of your counter-question. I've never used it, I'm sure it's solid, but it doesn't interest me.
...maybe it's cause I'm looking forward to the weekend, but I don't understand this:
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the WebOS was well after the infraction and all the allegations upon mysellf.
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I don't know what that means...
So someone was posing as you on the Palm forums? You did it to just for kicks after getting an infraction?
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I don't understand the point of your counter-question. I've never used it, I'm sure it's solid, but it doesn't interest me.
...maybe it's cause I'm looking forward to the weekend, but I don't understand this:
I don't know what that means...
So someone was posing as you on the Palm forums? You did it to just for kicks after getting an infraction?
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Why the question about WebOS. I had nothing to do with WebOS when I was busy in this forum and posting my displeasure at how WP7 was turning. I received an infraction without anything to do with WebOS. So why bring that up?
If you want to see the mirror image of my infracted post compared to your post, just visit my profile.
Never had this problem. Till now all issue can be solved with soft-reboot for me.
Only phone of all the US released devices I've ever had to battery pull was the Surround... that thing is just a terrible excuse for a WP7 device...
I think carriers delaying the NoDo update are making some people angry at MSFT. All those emotional posts today didn't forget to mention waiting for update.
The problem is.. WHAT THESE ****ING CARRIERS HAVE TO DO ABOUT IT?
Oh god. They just sucks! Put the ****ing network to work and do not worry about the handsets. Let MS, Google and Apple deal with it. No. They have to screw it around.
And COME ON MS!
First I needed to buy my Trophy from another country (btw, I don't even know wich one). All I know it is Vodafone from somewhere in the east.
I can't buy a simple app, even if my Credit card is international. I can't update. I have to deal with these bugs.. So, yes, I'm with you. Seriously, I have an iPhone 4. And when I got my trophy, I put it away and started to play with WP7.
Now, I just put my Trophy away, because iOS is so much more reliable then WP7. I wish it was from Apple.
It would be perfect (;
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I think carriers delaying the NoDo update are making some people angry at MSFT. All those emotional posts today didn't forget to mention waiting for update.
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Oh I'm sorry, you're right. I made up the phone freezing because I'm "emotional".
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Why the question about WebOS. I had nothing to do with WebOS when I was busy in this forum and posting my displeasure at how WP7 was turning. I received an infraction without anything to do with WebOS. So why bring that up?
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I definitely remember screenshots of a "MartyLK" in the Palm forums trying to get people to vote over and over?...
Someone posted it in a thread here. That's the only reason I bring it up.
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I definitely remember screenshots of a "MartyLK" in the Palm forums trying to get people to vote over and over?...
Someone posted it in a thread here. That's the only reason I bring it up.
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Well..it had nothing to do with my infracted post. I mean, I didn't receive an infraction because of the WebOS bit.
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Well..it had nothing to do with my infracted post. I mean, I didn't receive an infraction because of the WebOS bit.
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No no, I didn't mean or think that. It's unrelated to your infraction. Just a question I always had; ie if you were pumping people to vote for WebOS, why are you here talking about wp7?
Phones, as with other computing devices, tend to crash and freeze sometimes. iPhone, Android, WP7 - they all have their moments. That is reality. For a person that "loves" WP7 so much to go off the deep end after 1 - a single - crash... Well lets just say that maybe it's time to put the phone down for a bit and take a deep breath. Eh?
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Phones, as with other computing devices, tend to crash and freeze sometimes. iPhone, Android, WP7 - they all have their moments. That is reality. For a person that "loves" WP7 so much to go off the deep end after 1 - a single - crash... Well lets just say that maybe it's time to put the phone down for a bit and take a deep breath. Eh?
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It isn't just the crash, in this poster's case. WP7 is buggy as Hell, in my case, anyway. And it has none of the common features smartphones have. It was billed as being updated aggressively by MS rather than the carriers and that important features is missing...the updates aren't coming. MS is being slower than a snail about how they are building WP7 up. People are just losing patience and have had enough. People that once were staunch supporters of WP7 have turned against it. You have to conclude there is something wrong or else you are just poking your head in the sand.