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[Q] Sony smart wireless headset pro - anyone tryed yet?

Hello guys, have anyone yet try it with HOX? I am looking forward to getting it but I am just not sure about music quality, because that is a main function for me, so I would like to know if anyone tested it with HOX already, and how is music from default sony earplugs that are included there, comparing to let's say iBeats by Dr.Dre (the ones that was included with HTC Sensation XE)
http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/accessories/smart-wireless-headset-pro/specifications/
any info would be greatly appreciated!!

cozmer said:
Hello guys, have anyone yet try it with HOX? I am looking forward to getting it but I am just not sure about music quality, because that is a main function for me, so I would like to know if anyone tested it with HOX already, and how is music from default sony earplugs that are included there, comparing to let's say iBeats by Dr.Dre (the ones that was included with HTC Sensation XE)
http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/accessories/smart-wireless-headset-pro/specifications/
any info would be greatly appreciated!!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1672411
Personally I simply love it, no issues so far and already tried with various custom rom's (currently at maXimus 2.1)
Also recently it got a firmware update (notification came from the phone) but I haven seen the change log yet.
The quality of the bundled ear-buds is more than enough to my likening, also have Klipsch s4 and M40 but often find myself just using those from sony, go figure

Ch3vy78 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1672411
Personally I simply love it, no issues so far and already tried with various custom rom's (currently at maXimus 2.1)
Also recently it got a firmware update (notification came from the phone) but I haven seen the change log yet.
The quality of the bundled ear-buds is more than enough to my likening, also have Klipsch s4 and M40 but often find myself just using those from sony, go figure
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what's the price?

daniele610 said:
what's the price?
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price is arround 150$ i think

daniele610 said:
what's the price?
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cozmer said:
price is arround 150$ i think
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€119.95 in NL from the PDAShop.nl

What about the a-jays one+?
It doesn't have as much features as the sony, but I think its comparable to the iBeats that come with the sensation

OriginalFire said:
What about the a-jays one+?
It doesn't have as much features as the sony, but I think its comparable to the iBeats that come with the sensation
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and they are not wireless... arent they??
headset i am talking about is wireless if u didn't notice...

cozmer said:
and they are not wireless... arent they??
headset i am talking about is wireless if u didn't notice...
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Sorry my mistake.
There's the Plantronics BackBeat GO. If your looking for wireless.

I have had the Xperia MH1C Smart Wireless headset pro for about a week now, so I will do a mini review.
Pros
Wireless- Works pretty well, bluetooth can skip every once in a while, but it is so rare it doesn't bother me at all. It connects really easily and auto pairs great.
Micro SD slot- I love this feature as I bike alot and would rather take a small device then lug around my phone.
Package Contents- You get a charger, microsd reader, headphones, micro usb cord, 2gb card, and the device itself for 100 bucks. Considering a decent microsd reader costs 15-20 dollars it is a pretty good deal.
Headphones- I have always liked Sony's headphones and have used them for years. These are no exception, the bass is clear and the treble is not too loud. You can't even begin to compare cheap headphones like the Skull Candys to these. I don't believe in spending a ton on earbud headphones and these fell right in the price range for what I want. They fit great even with my smaller ear canals. People have complained about the cord being stiff, but I think it's a great step forward. My problem has always been tearing the cord or getting it really tangled. This cord will be hard as hell to tear as it is really tough. Also it feels really good. My trick for wearing them is to use the supplied clip on the longer right earbud cord and attach the clip to the rear collar of my shirt. This makes it impossible to pull the right earbud out when turning your head. I have played golf and ridden my bike with them and had no issues whatsoever.
Looks- Some people might think it is ugly but I think it looks great. Similar to the Xperia S.
Battery Life- The device easily lasts a week for me
Software works good- no problem with the additional features
Cons
SD Card playback sucks. Sometimes it will recognize the whole album and sometimes it won't. It is also kind of slow when going through songs, but not too bad. Also sometimes it won't return to the previous track when using the button, the left button does play/pause instead.
Gmail App for it will destroy your battery, it really eats battery life.
Size- The device could be a bit smaller, but for the sound quality and features it is acceptable
Needs a carrying case, Sony should have included one for the price
The clip is sturdy but it would be nice if it rotated as well.
Should have come with a lanyard but I was able to find an old one I had laying around and use that with it. It is an iRiver lanyard and works really good.

I would like to compare my experiences with the Sony Smart Wireless Headset Pro with mrsatan's review. As a quick summary though I'd say - DON'T BUY THIS OVERPRICED PIECE OF JUNK!
I fully agree that the SWHP device completely sucks as an MP3 player. It doesn't copy files across properly to the SD card just connecting via USB - you need to use Sony's useless Media Go application to do it and that is a terrible experience in itself.
Despite saying it supports up to a 32GB SD card, I have only half filled a 16GB an already the MP3 playback is completely lost. It takes a VERY long time to "scan" the files before you can start playback and then it doesn't even recognise songs within albums, playing the first song of the album and then stopping after that with no ability to skip to or even browse the other tracks. It does exactly the same when trying to play all the tracks of one artist - only plays the first then stops dead.
If you press the forward skip button it just pauses the track. When cycling back through the entire list of songs (which it can't do properly, rebooting itself once you try to go back past the first song in the list (which isn't alphabetical BTW)), you need to press the back skip button twice to go back.
I used to have the Sony MW600 (previous model that was only a BT headset/FM radio without MP3 support) and I would have to say even that was better as a BT headset because at least the call and voice command functions worked with that. Most of the time the SWHP doesn't even answer an incoming call when you press the button as it says you're supposed to.
I was waiting a long time for this device to get released and now I can see why it was delayed so long but still wonder why it was released at all when even the most basic functions do not work at all. I strongly suggest that you choose a different device if you were considering buying this P.O.S..

Anyone try one of those 3.5mm "Click" buttons yet? Pressy knockoffs

I saw on fatwallet ebay has a knockoff for $10 with free shipping and then another guy posted one for under $2. Just wondering if anyone has tried one of these click buttons yet
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Android-Sma...t=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item2a3d856789
http://www.tinydeal.com/35mm-klick-quick-button-dustproof-plug-jack-plug-p-128754.html

Looks interesting. But reviews are so-so for it. A fair number of people find it buggy.

bought one for my nexus 5, let see how it will work.
It's very interesting idea to get extra button, hopefully it will work as a power button.

I like it but when I have it plugged in, the device thinks it's headphones so when I call is incoming I get no audio unless I put it on speaker. Haven't had a chance to look into a solution other then use that Pressy/Klick application.

Get volume control working?

Hey guys,
Bought some nice headphones with the 3 button control on it. The center button works for pausing/playing and skipping to the next track, but the volume controls don't work for some reason... Can I do something to get them working? Maybe download something? Change some settings?
Thank you!

I don't think the phone supports that, did you try the mic? In some of the three buttons headsets the mic does not work.

Mic does not work either, is there a way to make the headset supported?

Have you tried Tasker?

Not very familiar with the program? Could you recommend what to do?

Jeanxito said:
Have you tried Tasker?
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Any suggestions?
Thank you!

From my point of view, you can always try to create a profile for your headphones, that can control the way you want, signing buttons to work like you want. You can always use other automate programs but, tasker is the most complete and powerful IMO.
If you can not use it, our can't find the your way to work with it there's always a wiki for it (just search for it) our try to use others like "Smartkey" or "RemoteControl for Earphones" (search playstore).

I tried an app called headset button controller and it recognized the center button clicks but did not recognize the volume button clicks. Can I somehow in tasked or another program get the volume buttons to recognize?

It sounds like you've got a iPhone compatible headset rather than an android one. I've only just started looking into this myself (as I'm in the market for a new headset) but as I understand it Apple have swapped the pin out on the TRRS connector. I think there might be adapters available if you're married to you're current headset but I haven't really investigated that as I haven't bought anything yet and I think an adapter would end up being clumsy.
On mobile so don't have my links in front of me but hopefully that's enough to give you an appropriate Google query.

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It sounds like you've got a iPhone compatible headset rather than an android one. I've only just started looking into this myself (as I'm in the market for a new headset) but as I understand it Apple have swapped the pin out on the TRRS connector. I think there might be adapters available if you're married to you're current headset but I haven't really investigated that as I haven't bought anything yet and I think an adapter would end up being clumsy.
On mobile so don't have my links in front of me but hopefully that's enough to give you an appropriate Google query.
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The headset I have has an extension that I put on to make the cord longer, I wouldn't mind buying the trrs adapter and using this new cable/adapter instead of my current one.... Would this fix my problem of the buttons not working?

Nope, sorry!
arty93 said:
The headset I have has an extension that I put on to make the cord longer, I wouldn't mind buying the trrs adapter and using this new cable/adapter instead of my current one.... Would this fix my problem of the buttons not working?
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Hiya,
I finally got around to doing some more research into this, apparantly there are two different issues with using Apple headsets with Android devices.
1 - Wiring change on 3.5mm TRRS connector. - This is why the microphone doesn't work for calls, Apple changed the pin out on the headphone jack to the reverse of most other manufacturers. This is the problem that can be solved by the adapter I was talking about originally.
2 - Different resistance on the button commands. - In addition to the wiring changes Apple also use a different electrical resistance on the buttons (and have patented their specific level). The adapter doesn't fix this unfortunately so even with it the buttons still won't work.
Looks like there isn't a solution to #2 unfortunately so it might be time to start looking at a different headset entirely.
Sorry for getting your hopes up with my original post.
BDC

Headset Questions

I bought a really nice set of in-ear headphones to work with my N5.
However they don't appear to work with the N5x.
Have they decided to change the spec to an "Apple" standard rather than the normal "Android" standard?
If so, this may well be the most annoying/expensive decision ever!

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I bought a really nice set of in-ear headphones to work with my N5.
However they don't appear to work with the N5x.
Have they decided to change the spec to an "Apple" standard rather than the normal "Android" standard?
If so, this may well be the most annoying/expensive decision ever!
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What brand and model of in-ears are you trying to use?
Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.

can't remember the model, but degauss labs android ones.

Unfortunately this might be the case! I just received my 5X. It works great with standard headphones (HiFiMan RE-0, no mic), but I get no sound when plugging in the headset that I had used with my Nexus 5 (Xiaomi Piston). Neither the mic nor the headphones work. Instead, audio is diverted to the phone's speakers.
I'll run some more tests when I have time.
Looks like these people are reporting the same issue that I'm experiencing
http://forums.androidcentral.com/ne...tible-wired-headsets-inline-mic-controls.html

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Unfortunately this might be the case! I just received my 5X. It works great with standard headphones (HiFiMan RE-0, no mic), but I get no sound when plugging in the headset that I had used with my Nexus 5 (Xiaomi Piston). Neither the mic nor the headphones work. Instead, audio is diverted to the phone's speakers.
I'll run some more tests when I have time.
Looks like these people are reporting the same issue that I'm experiencing
http://forums.androidcentral.com/ne...tible-wired-headsets-inline-mic-controls.html
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This is the response I got from Project Fi Customer Service on this issue:
Thank you for contacting Project Fi Support. I am so sorry this process is taking longer than expected, but you are in the right place to get your answers. Unfortunately, because the Nexus 5X is such a new device there have not been many choices when it comes to accessories including headsets. There has been no update either on where and when you can go to find compatible accessories. What I can do is suggest that you try Bluetooth. Bluetooth is compatible with all Nexus devices that are running on Android 5.0 and higher. Below you will see a link that will walk you through the steps to connect to Bluetooth.
Not looking good! I tried the workaround posted in the androidcentral thread. If you hold down the play/pause button on the inline controls while you plugin the headset, then at least you'll get sound. Mic and controls still won't work, but you have at least some functionality. Annoying, but it worked for my Xiaomi Pistons.

Anyone tried pushing it in very hard? Sounds dumb, but I've read about other people needing to push in hard to get it working right - This was to do with complaints about poor volume/quality, though.
Found this on reddit, too: https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus/comments/3qf2kw/nexus_5x_headphone_jack_not_working/
Can anyone confirm?

cthip said:
Not looking good! I tried the workaround posted in the androidcentral thread. If you hold down the play/pause button on the inline controls while you plugin the headset, then at least you'll get sound. Mic and controls still won't work, but you have at least some functionality. Annoying, but it worked for my Xiaomi Pistons.
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I just tested my Xiaomi Piston v3s and they work as intended. Volume buttons work, play/pause works, and audio via the earbuds. I did a cursory search and it seems the v3s have CTIA wiring. Most previous Android devices were OMTP (except the Nexus4/5, and my previous G2; maybe it's an LG thing?), which the Piston v2s are.

agentdr8 said:
I just tested my Xiaomi Piston v3s and they work as intended. Volume buttons work, play/pause works, and audio via the earbuds. I did a cursory search and it seems the v3s have CTIA wiring. Most previous Android devices were OMTP (except the Nexus4/5, and my previous G2; maybe it's an LG thing?), which the Piston v2s are.
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Thanks! Mine are Piston V2s (supposedly also CTIA?) and they worked for my Nexus 5, so I'm still a little unclear on why the V2 doesn't work for them, but I'll order the V3 and give it a try.

cthip said:
Thanks! Mine are Piston V2s (supposedly also CTIA?) and they worked for my Nexus 5, so I'm still a little unclear on why the V2 doesn't work for them, but I'll order the V3 and give it a try.
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You're right. I did a bit more searching and it seems the v2s are also CTIA. I have a pair of them as well, so I'll give the a go and see if my results are the same.
EDIT: Same behavior that you're seeing with the v2s. They must be wired OMTP, as iPhone users reported issues using them.

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Anyone tried pushing it in very hard? Sounds dumb, but I've read about other people needing to push in hard to get it working right - This was to do with complaints about poor volume/quality, though.
Found this on reddit, too: https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus/comments/3qf2kw/nexus_5x_headphone_jack_not_working/
Can anyone confirm?
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Just to confirm, my headphones are pushed in all the way. It takes a little bit of force, there's a noticeable "click," and there's no gap between the gap and the plug.
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You're right. I did a bit more searching and it seems the v2s are also CTIA. I have a pair of them as well, so I'll give the a go and see if my results are the same.
EDIT: Same behavior that you're seeing with the v2s. They must be wired OMTP, as iPhone users reported issues using them.
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Thanks for double-checking your V2s, that makes me feel better.
I tested my wife's iPhone headphones. The headphones and mic work, they don't have controls so there was nothing to test there.
I guess you're right, it's as simple as OMTP/CTIA. Some people in the other thread reported that their buttons weren't working when using iPhone-compatible headsets on the 5X, which made me think this was a more complicated issue.
Piston V3s are back-ordered on Amazon currently, but I'm looking forward to them!

Does anyone get this problem: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/help/how-to-off-listening-plugging-headphones-t3234344
This is just with a normal 2-band headphone jack
Rang google support and they say there arent any other reported cases of this so maybe I/we have defective units?

Thanks for checking, @cthip.
Since I don't have the phone yet, could someone help me figure out compatibility here, please? I hope I'm reading this right, but I'm not sure.
If a headset with inline controls works with the N4, it should work with the N5X. Yay or nay?
Cheers!

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Thanks for checking, @cthip.
Since I don't have the phone yet, could someone help me figure out compatibility here, please? I hope I'm reading this right, but I'm not sure.
If a headset with inline controls works with the N4, it should work with the N5X. Yay or nay?
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In theory, it should work just fine, as the Nexus 4 and 5 also used CTIA. I found an old post stating the different wiring schemes could be denoted by the color of the rings; gray for CTIA, and black for OMTP.

Joying 2GB RAM 8 inch - installed with pics

Hey guys,
Not sure if i'm the first on this forum to receive my joying 8inch head unit but i got it last friday and installed it the same day. This thing is awesome.
I've never had an android head unit but i've been hovering around these forums for about 2 months waiting for a 2gb unit to come out. I got on the new joying unit right when it came out and purchased it on amazon right away. Their customer service was awesome, they made sure i had the tools needed to install it before they shipped it out (which i did). and it still only took 4 days to get to me (central USA).
Coming from a $600 pioneer head unit i could not be happier. This is awesome. If you guys would like some more pics, or information feel free to post here or email me at [email protected]. Also i am the only one to have a review on amazon so far
Won't let me put images cause i'm still new to posting.. so here is the URL broken up
imgur .com /a/7vSZX
Installed steering wheel controls. It was not to bad, would of only taken a few minutes if i would of known what to do. I own a Subaru WRX 2010. I had to wire Key 2 to Pin #4 and Pin #14 to ground.

You will have a car crash soon...
When you keep driving and taking/posting fotos (of your android radio) and fidling arround.
But thanks for the first impression. Looks like they changed the equalizer software from the fake 9 to a honest 3-Band EQ.
Anything about the Audio Quality?
Greetings

Grungi said:
You will have a car crash soon...
When you keep driving and taking/posting fotos (of your android radio) and fidling arround.
But thanks for the first impression. Looks like they changed the equalizer software from the fake 9 to a honest 3-Band EQ.
Anything about the Audio Quality?
Greetings
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Seems good. better then the previous aftermarket radio i had in the car.
Also I did not make the post while driving.

Will you be rooting the device anytime soon? Any bluetooth issues with regards to connecting multiple devices/call quality? any problems with the mic?

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Will you be rooting the device anytime soon? Any bluetooth issues with regards to connecting multiple devices/call quality? any problems with the mic?
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Not sure if i need to root it as everything i want i think i can get without. i'm open to hearing arguements about why i should root it though.
I have not tested out multiple devices on the bluetooth, i can do that later today. I have not tested the Mic as i do not make phone calls often. The microphone it came with seems to be almost identical to the one that came with my pioneer, just like a $6 mic you can get on amazon.

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Not sure if i need to root it as everything i want i think i can get without. i'm open to hearing arguements about why i should root it though.
I have not tested out multiple devices on the bluetooth, i can do that later today. I have not tested the Mic as i do not make phone calls often. The microphone it came with seems to be almost identical to the one that came with my pioneer, just like a $6 mic you can get on amazon.
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Thanks. If you do end up testing the mic, please let us know!

@ AeonSaber:
please can you post a pitcure about your system information with the MCU version and show me the url about your purchase?

Interested in the mic quality also. Will be installing mine in a F150 with the factory sync system and hoping the mic quality is on par.

Question about the subwoofer settings on these units, are there any you can adjust like low-pass filter and/or cutoff frequencies and stuff?

AeonSaber said:
Hey guys,
Not sure if i'm the first on this forum to receive my joying 8inch head unit but i got it last friday and installed it the same day. This thing is awesome.
I've never had an android head unit but i've been hovering around these forums for about 2 months waiting for a 2gb unit to come out. I got on the new joying unit right when it came out and purchased it on amazon right away. Their customer service was awesome, they made sure i had the tools needed to install it before they shipped it out (which i did). and it still only took 4 days to get to me (central USA).
Coming from a $600 pioneer head unit i could not be happier. This is awesome. If you guys would like some more pics, or information feel free to post here or email me at [email protected]. Also i am the only one to have a review on amazon so far
Won't let me put images cause i'm still new to posting.. so here is the URL broken up
imgur .com /a/7vSZX
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I just installed an 8" in my Prius Plug-in, I couldn't get the steering wheel control and backup camera to work after 2 days of messing with it. So I took it to Best Buy to get that working. Tech support at Joying sucks and it takes 24 hours to get a reply from them.
Bluetooth connects to the phone, but music doesn't play, fm reception sucks, and it won't read my 128gig sdcard. I haven't had a chance to really get into it yet, but I will when I get it back from Best Buy and I'll repost then with a full report.

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I just installed an 8" in my Prius Plug-in, I couldn't get the steering wheel control and backup camera to work after 2 days of messing with it. So I took it to Best Buy to get that working. Tech support at Joying sucks and it takes 24 hours to get a reply from them.
Bluetooth connects to the phone, but music doesn't play, fm reception sucks, and it won't read my 128gig sdcard. I haven't had a chance to really get into it yet, but I will when I get it back from Best Buy and I'll repost then with a full report.
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The FM reception is fine in my car, that is weird that it is not going well for you, maybe you could give the antenna more power. To get the 128gb sd card to work i had to put it in my phone first, my phone formatted it correctly for android, then i threw it into my radio. If you'd like some help with other things i am more than happy if you email me.
Also their customer support has been good to me so far, yes it takes a while for them to reply because their business hours are when we are sleeping. lol

I'm not crazy about the 8"+ units because they look like a tablet duct taped to the dashboard. The DDIN 7" all-glass units are supposed to be available soon. It would be nice if they'd increase the screen size on the DDIN units, there is enough bezel to increase to at LEAST 7.5, maybe even 8". You certainly don't need the row of capacitive buttons on Android, since they're just duplicated from on-screen buttons anyway!

AeonSaber said:
Not sure if i need to root it as everything i want i think i can get without. i'm open to hearing arguements about why i should root it though.
I have not tested out multiple devices on the bluetooth, i can do that later today. I have not tested the Mic as i do not make phone calls often. The microphone it came with seems to be almost identical to the one that came with my pioneer, just like a $6 mic you can get on amazon.
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Did you end up testing the multiple bt connection ? Like with a phone and an obd2?

Is the microphone 'visible' to Android on these? Ie, can you use voice commands ('Ok google'), etc?
I can't believe I'm considering going back down this road, but my Newsmy Android box bit the dust (head unit part is OK), and I don't have the time or energy to really push my DIY project.

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Did you end up testing the multiple bt connection ? Like with a phone and an obd2?
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I did not get around to trying this out. i did try to pair my ODB adapter and gave up after 5 secconds, was going to google it as this is my first android radio. Did not try out multiple phones. I will try to remember to do the ODB after work today but no promises.

Zaphod-Beeblebrox said:
Is the microphone 'visible' to Android on these? Ie, can you use voice commands ('Ok google'), etc?
I can't believe I'm considering going back down this road, but my Newsmy Android box bit the dust (head unit part is OK), and I don't have the time or energy to really push my DIY project.
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I have not tried it. i'm new to android head units so i do not know where i would start that functionality.

AeonSaber said:
I have not tried it. i'm new to android head units so i do not know where i would start that functionality.
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Quickest thing to do would probably bring up some app (sound recorder?) that can use the MIC and see if it works. Google Maps, Google Search, etc.
I'm not familiar with the MTC series, but almost all of the android head units utilize an 'MCU' (in this case made my microntek) to control the analog audio sources, and mixes in the digital (Android) audio. That analog audio is typically not 'visible' to android (ie, you cannot record FM radio as the Android board only controls the operation of the radio through the MCU. It doesn't actually run that audio through an ADC back to Android.).
In most of the devices I've seen, the MIC port is wired to the Bluetooth HFP module, which is not actually part of the Android board. It's one of those 'analog sources' that the Android box can control through MCU commands, but the underlying I/O is invisible to the system.

How sturdy is it? I have a double din opening that is a little to small and would need to be trimmed to fit. I was thinking since the single din would be completely covered by the larger screen, I wouldn't need to modify the opening. Does it move when using it? I won't be able to stand it if it moves around or makes any rattle sounds. Thanks in advance for your input.

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How sturdy is it? I have a double din opening that is a little to small and would need to be trimmed to fit. I was thinking since the single din would be completely covered by the larger screen, I wouldn't need to modify the opening. Does it move when using it? I won't be able to stand it if it moves around or makes any rattle sounds. Thanks in advance for your input.
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Seems sturdy. the screen mounts on 4 points to the single din, they are fully adjustable. It does not move at all when i touch it.

Where did you order your unit from? Amazon or directly from Joying? I would rather order through amazon for the better customer service but if they aren't shipping until the end of nov/beginning of dec I would order through Joying to receive it sooner.