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Touch Pro 2 sucks. Here is why.

Let's face it people. When the TP2 was announced it was looking like a great device and a possible Xperia replacement. Now, after it is out, I can safely say that it has both bad hardware and software. I will hang tight to my Xperia for the time being.
Here is why I do not like the TP2:
No 3.5 m headphone jack - LOL. In 2009...............
No flash/LED on the camera - Again, it is 2009 and this is a high end device.....
No D-pad or other directional buttons on the front - They say the software is optimized for that kind of use. Well, what about the 10k apps I want to install, that require a d-pad?
No FM radio/disabled by firmware - Why??? That is the stupidest decision by a phone manufactirer ever.
Same processor as the TP. 520mhz qualcom, although the TP2 has an older version !!!!!!!!! - Older version on a model that is supposed to be a successor???
TP - MSM 7201 A
TP2 - MSM 7200 A
Same storage space as the TP.
Same ammount of RAM, although the TP2 has 20mb LESS RAM available to it. I repeat, the newer version has less RAM available!!!
TP2 has a better battery than the TP, BUT worse battery life! How about that huh???
Good things:
Nice screen. (tilting)
5 row keyboard. (awesome)
Noise cancelation.
How is the Touch Pro 2 an upgrade?? It has ther same or LOWER specs than the Touch Pro. I feel cheated by HTC . My advice is - Keep your Touch Pro or Xperia and wait for the TP3 or X2.......

I haven´t tested myself
But I must agree with you!
How possible is no 3.5mm jack??
My Universal from 2005 has it and is extremelñy usefull!, of course an adapter can be found but....
Don´t want to repat all your points but thank you very much for pointing it here
Not a real replacemet for my beloved Universal not even for Xperia
Let´s hear what users have to say about this

Some good points but I disagree with:
1. No 3.5 m headphone jack - LOL. In 2009 - I never understood why anyone would want an extra hole in their device. the adapter works perfect for me and yes, its 2009, i have wireless headphones lol.
2. No FM radio/disabled by firmware - Why??? That is the stupidest decision by a phone manufactirer ever - i installed the cab and it works perfect. who cares how it comes if you can simply install a cab file to change it. All part of customizing your device IMHO
3. Same processor as the TP. 520mhz qualcom, although the TP2 has an older version !!!!!!!!! - Older version on a model that is supposed to be a successor??? - do you actually know this proc is worse or are you just saying this due to the model #?
4. Same storage space as the TP. - who cares about internal storage when you have an expansion card?
5. TP2 has a better battery than the TP, BUT worse battery life! How about that huh??? - not sure where you got that lol. my tp2 has much better battery life then the tp1
not really feeling you advice not to buy it. I had an HD and this phone blows it away in every way. just my 2 cents

mallman said:
Some good points but I disagree with:
1. No 3.5 m headphone jack - LOL. In 2009 - I never understood why anyone would want an extra hole in their device. the adapter works perfect for me and yes, its 2009, i have wireless headphones lol.
2. No FM radio/disabled by firmware - Why??? That is the stupidest decision by a phone manufactirer ever - i installed the cab and it works perfect. who cares how it comes if you can simply install a cab file to change it. All part of customizing your device IMHO
3. Same processor as the TP. 520mhz qualcom, although the TP2 has an older version !!!!!!!!! - Older version on a model that is supposed to be a successor??? - do you actually know this proc is worse or are you just saying this due to the model #?
4. Same storage space as the TP. - who cares about internal storage when you have an expansion card?
5. TP2 has a better battery than the TP, BUT worse battery life! How about that huh??? - not sure where you got that lol. my tp2 has much better battery life then the tp1
not really feeling you advice not to buy it. I had an HD and this phone blows it away in every way. just my 2 cents
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1 - Yes, having an adapter is so cool......... I want to plug my headphones not look for the stupid adapter EVERY.SINGLE.TIME.
Wireless headphones are used by a very small percent of people. Most people (like me) prefer NOT to have two devices to charge when you want to take your music with you.
2 - That is not customizing. Installing programs and tweaking is customizing. This is poor care for the customer on HTC's part and smells of an unfinished device. How would you feel if they had left out TouchFlo 3D? Or part of it?
3 - That is what I know from doing my research. If my info is correct.
4 - I do. Many apps don't work if you install them on the SD card. They auto install in the main storage.
5 - All the reviews I have seen mention it, plus a friend of mine has both phones and has confirmed that for me.
Agreed on the part that TP2 is better than the HD. HD sucks even more. You should definitely make the upgrade to TP2.

I have the following phones:
Kaiser
Diamond
Touch HD
Xperia
Touch Pro 2
and have bought them in that order - never sold any of these
I agree with Mallman: can't see the point in saying that it sucks.
I have been using my TP2 today with the following usage:
140' phone calls (onehundred forty)
20' Opera browsing
Exchange mail push always on
2 POP3 mail account syncing with 10' time frame.
Received and read over 50 mails.
Still have 10% battery left after 14 hours of THAT kind of use - just out of the box, haven't had the time to work on energy consumption parameters under Advanced Config.
Can't really see any difference with my Xperia. Touch HD has performed less.
Radio is ok.
Have a 8 GB SDHC card, with extreme satisfaction.
And believe me, I have tried all the keyboards of these phones, nothing compares to this one. Screen is superb, speed also.

IT has BETTER battery life (don't listen to pocketnow.com, they are the onlyones who are saying that. FM radio has been left out. Reason unknown, so hard to say if it is a bad decision. Does the processor id number mean it's older? Has it been released before? It's not always so that a higher number means newer.
The TP2 is actually faster (not only touch flo 3D) then the touch pro.
Maybe they should make also a HDMI and firewire connection...... That would make sense. There are really small usb mini to 3,5 minijack converters. ANd the mini usb is multi functional.
Please stop talking about the flash, there have been real flash phones, but only very little. This is because after 3 flashes, the battery is empty. That LED light, was fun, but never really used it. keyboard has been improved. Original wm 6.5 upgrade.
Looks are much better. I almost never used my dpad, only when something was to small to select. But the bigger screen and better resolution solves that. I have to admit that a jogdial (like on the hermes) would be a good thing.
So in your oppinion every device has to have a mini jack? So I think you get that I don't agree with you

quarintus said:
IT has BETTER battery life (don't listen to pocketnow.com, they are the onlyones who are saying that. FM radio has been left out. Reason unknown, so hard to say if it is a bad decision. Does the processor id number mean it's older? Has it been released before? It's not always so that a higher number means newer.
The TP2 is actually faster (not only touch flo 3D) then the touch pro.
Maybe they should make also a HDMI and firewire connection...... That would make sense. There are really small usb mini to 3,5 minijack converters. ANd the mini usb is multi functional.
Please stop talking about the flash, there have been real flash phones, but only very little. This is because after 3 flashes, the battery is empty. That LED light, was fun, but never really used it. keyboard has been improved. Original wm 6.5 upgrade.
Looks are much better. I almost never used my dpad, only when something was to small to select. But the bigger screen and better resolution solves that. I have to admit that a jogdial (like on the hermes) would be a good thing.
So in your oppinion every device has to have a mini jack? So I think you get that I don't agree with you
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I was at a club last night with some friends and it was kinda dim. My Xperia was the only phone with any kind of flash and I was the only one that could take pics. I really can't imagine anyone arguing in favour of not having a flash. That is hilarious. Same goes for 3.5mm jacks.
I had a couple of devices without D-pads (including HD for a while). I have to say that many of the apps require a D-pad or are easier to work with, if you have one.
Agreed on the screen, keyboard and looks (as mentioned in the OP).

For the lack of flash, you are completely right.
I see no point in selling phones without a flash - even a sucking one would be better than nothing.
As for me, I use these phones for my job, so usually in daylight.
Wish I had more spare time to spend in clubs during the night: would have certainly a different phone

ninja.rogue said:
For the lack of flash, you are completely right.
I see no point in selling phones without a flash - even a sucking one would be better than nothing.
As for me, I use these phones for my job, so usually in daylight.
Wish I had more spare time to spend in clubs during the night: would have certainly a different phone
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ninja.rogue said:
And believe me, I have tried all the keyboards of these phones, nothing compares to this one.
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I´m sure you are not counting Universal keyboard
That one is the best!

orelsi said:
1 - Yes, having an adapter is so cool......... I want to plug my headphones not look for the stupid adapter EVERY.SINGLE.TIME.
Wireless headphones are used by a very small percent of people. Most people (like me) prefer NOT to have two devices to charge when you want to take your music with you.
2 - That is not customizing. Installing programs and tweaking is customizing. This is poor care for the customer on HTC's part and smells of an unfinished device. How would you feel if they had left out TouchFlo 3D? Or part of it?
3 - That is what I know from doing my research. If my info is correct.
4 - I do. Many apps don't work if you install them on the SD card. They auto install in the main storage.
5 - All the reviews I have seen mention it, plus a friend of mine has both phones and has confirmed that for me.
Agreed on the part that TP2 is better than the HD. HD sucks even more. You should definitely make the upgrade to TP2.
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all i gotta say is this: have you actually used the device? half of whats written on the web is not from actual use but pure conjecture. i actually own the device and have an x1 and blackstone. x1 cannot compare with this phone on any level. blackstone has a bigger screen and that about it! when you actually use the device then i will take on board your views but for now as an actual owner i am sorry to say your research is inaccurate, my experience is hands on!

orelsi said:
Let's face it people. When the TP2 was announced it was looking like a great device and a possible Xperia replacement. Now, after it is out, I can safely say that it has both bad hardware and software. I will hang tight to my Xperia for the time being.
Here is why I do not like the TP2:
No 3.5 m headphone jack - LOL. In 2009...............
No flash/LED on the camera - Again, it is 2009 and this is a high end device.....
No D-pad or other directional buttons on the front - They say the software is optimized for that kind of use. Well, what about the 10k apps I want to install, that require a d-pad?
No FM radio/disabled by firmware - Why??? That is the stupidest decision by a phone manufactirer ever.
Same processor as the TP. 520mhz qualcom, although the TP2 has an older version !!!!!!!!! - Older version on a model that is supposed to be a successor???
TP - MSM 7201 A
TP2 - MSM 7200 A
Same storage space as the TP.
Same ammount of RAM, although the TP2 has 20mb LESS RAM available to it. I repeat, the newer version has less RAM available!!!
TP2 has a better battery than the TP, BUT worse battery life! How about that huh???
Good things:
Nice screen. (tilting)
5 row keyboard. (awesome)
Noise cancelation.
How is the Touch Pro 2 an upgrade?? It has ther same or LOWER specs than the Touch Pro. I feel cheated by HTC . My advice is - Keep your Touch Pro or Xperia and wait for the TP3 or X2.......
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Don't think I'd be laughing out TOO loudly at the lack of a 3.5 jack. In 2009 people are still using the things? Good heavens, get up to date!
No camera flash? Yeah it would be nice, but hardly a show stopper not having one.
No D-PAD? Erm...that's kinda the point, isn't it? If you want a D-PAD that badly, then of course you don't want this phone. I have over 40 application on my Vogue and I almost never use the D-PAD. I can't wait to get a phone that gets rid of the space-waster.
FM Radio disabled? There may be a good reason - too early to tell. Same was true of my Vogue's GPS chip. Took awhile to get a firmware update, but disabling it by default was the best option they had at the time.
Old Qualcomm Chip - Well, they didn't need to update the chip, did they? They saved a boatload of money by not manufacturing it with a new chip, and spent far less money instead optimizing the speed of the firmware. Pretty good deal, I'd say.
Same storage space - There's a handful of apps that require storage on board, but it's not likely you're going to run into so many of those that you run out of space when you have even a modest sized storage card.
20 MB less RAM - ok, so you have less excess than before. It's still excess.
Worse battery - Umm...no, I don't think so. You're not gonna get that one to fly. Everyone who has the device knows better.

shingers5 said:
all i gotta say is this: have you actually used the device? half of whats written on the web is not from actual use but pure conjecture. i actually own the device and have an x1 and blackstone. x1 cannot compare with this phone on any level. blackstone has a bigger screen and that about it! when you actually use the device then i will take on board your views but for now as an actual owner i am sorry to say your research is inaccurate, my experience is hands on!
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My research is about the processors. As I said a friend of mine has it and he let me play with it for a day. I had ample time to compare it to the X1. I was really disppointed.

ajbopp said:
Don't think I'd be laughing out TOO loudly at the lack of a 3.5 jack. In 2009 people are still using the things? Good heavens, get up to date!
No camera flash? Yeah it would be nice, but hardly a show stopper not having one.
No D-PAD? Erm...that's kinda the point, isn't it? If you want a D-PAD that badly, then of course you don't want this phone. I have over 40 application on my Vogue and I almost never use the D-PAD. I can't wait to get a phone that gets rid of the space-waster.
FM Radio disabled? There may be a good reason - too early to tell. Same was true of my Vogue's GPS chip. Took awhile to get a firmware update, but disabling it by default was the best option they had at the time.
Old Qualcomm Chip - Well, they didn't need to update the chip, did they? They saved a boatload of money by not manufacturing it with a new chip, and spent far less money instead optimizing the speed of the firmware. Pretty good deal, I'd say.
Same storage space - There's a handful of apps that require storage on board, but it's not likely you're going to run into so many of those that you run out of space when you have even a modest sized storage card.
20 MB less RAM - ok, so you have less excess than before. It's still excess.
Worse battery - Umm...no, I don't think so. You're not gonna get that one to fly. Everyone who has the device knows better.
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Yes most of the people still use them..... You better read my previous posts about the wireless headphones.
I have 300+ apps on my X1 and many of them require a D-pad.
I am curious about the Vogue's GPS chip. Why was it necessary to be disabled?
The part about using saved money from the processor to update the interface is pure conjecture on your part .
Again, the size of the SD doesn't matter if you have many apps that by DEFAULT install on the main memory.
Excess??? Excsue me, but less RAM means less multitasking and although the TP was good at this, it wasn't VERY good. The TP2 is worse and it is supposed to be an upgrade....
I can't argue about the battery, because I don't have that much hands on time with the device. I trust my friend and the online reviews though. Unless both my friend's battery and the ones of the reviewers were faulty in the first palce

orelsi said:
My research is about the processors. As I said a friend of mine has it and he let me play with it for a day. I had ample time to compare it to the X1. I was really disppointed.
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maybe you expected too much! this phone blows x1 out the water literally. i could write a list of all the shortcomings of the x1 but i know they will be addressed by the upcoming x2. prior to getting this fone i bigged up my x1 as well so i can't get down on you for that! however ya cannot beat hands on experience(not just a day) and no one who has both devices like me will agree with you!

orelsi said:
Yes most of the people still use them..... You better read my previous posts about the wireless headphones.
I have 300+ apps on my X1 and many of them require a D-pad.
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300+ apps? Where the hell did you get those... I don't have that many apps on my desktop pc.

shingers5 said:
maybe you expected too much! this phone blows x1 out the water literally. i could write a list of all the shortcomings of the x1 but i know they will be addressed by the upcoming x2. prior to getting this fone i bigged up my x1 as well so i can't get down on you for that! however ya cannot beat hands on experience(not just a day) and no one who has both devices like me will agree with you!
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I recieved my TP2 today I completely agree with you Shingers
I owned the typhoon, Hurricane, Wizard, Hermes, Tytn, Diamond X1 and now TP2 (Rhodium)
and this is the best windows mobile I have ever owned!
300 apps.... with that many your asking for trouble regardless of handset
Cheers
Steve

rosebud said:
I recieved my TP2 today I completely agree with you Shingers
I owned the typhoon, Hurricane, Wizard, Hermes, Tytn, Diamond X1 and now TP2 (Rhodium)
and this is the best windows mobile I have ever owned!
Also, talking from a professional standpoint,
Im a Microsoft Certified Technical Specialist in Windows Mobile, aswell as an MCSA, so I know what im talking about
300 apps.... with that many your asking for trouble regardless of handset
Cheers
Steve
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very well said! I have actual hands on with the phones in question so thats why i can post confidently and so can you as you not only have the knowledge but ownyou the phone. just feel its a bit of a farse to say this device sucks when you dont even own it and try to put people off it! i'd say sounds like he wants one but cant get it! hehe. no one can knock you for your opinion orelsi but pocket-link review in inaccurate but can't comment on your friends as dont know. this phone is the best dude and once we get some chefs on here to kick this custom thing off - watch out! wm6.5 on this phone will look and work a treat

Hummm... sounds like just jealousy...
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Corrupto said:
Hummm... sounds like just jealousy...
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chuckle, chuckle........funny! i dont mind threads like this as i think though negative it gets people interacting and talking wihout any insults. i respect everyones opinion and even if i totally disagree with him thats how he feels!

Multitouch bug on Nexus One on Desire,too?

Hi,
I read about the Google Nexus One having a bug with multitouch. It tracks the finger position wrong.
It seems to be a hardware error.
Does this affect the Desire too? (N1 and Desire are close in hardware)
Source:
http://androidandme.com/2010/03/news/is-multitouch-broken-on-the-nexus-one/

Because Desire in not in sale, nobody knows.

N1 and Desire have the same screen.
For me : Both of them have this bug.

Doesnt the N1 and the desire use same capasitive screen to the hd2 as well?

The screen of the HD2 is bigger (4.3"). The Desire has 3.7"
But those 3 devices could have the same model and manufacturer.

I'm not too worried after reading this post by Cyanogen:
Cyanogen's Solution
If this will get it to work pretty much like the droid, I'm fine with it.

Polarfuchs said:
The screen of the HD2 is bigger (4.3"). The Desire has 3.7"
But those 3 devices could have the same model and manufacturer.
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Sorry yes.. Aware of that... (hd2 owner) Mean produced in the same way.. I see the nexus one has the same cross hatches as the hd2.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/06/bad-news-htc-says-nexus-ones-dont-go-in-pockets/
i hope it is not the same with the desire....

Desire has the identical "Pinch to Zoom" touchscreen... :-(

youtube.com/watch?v=7rOgFX1-EwE
This doesnt look good.. (i cant post links)

It is hard to see because of the blurry and spotlight reflections, but yeah the line jumps from one finger to the other. damn.
Here the link again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rOgFX1-EwE

Why is there always something wrong when a phone seems to be nice

I guess we are just going to see when we get our hands on the device.. No point picking holes in it before we even have it. Im sure i can live with this if the n1 owners can.

PLenty of vids out now that show multitouch in-use, such as the pinching on homescreen and using web browser etc. with no problems. I don't think this will actually effect usability. Also, Engadget ran an article using a different multitouch "measuring" software and it had no problems...wouldn't get all upset about this

Agree,I currently own a N1 and this doesn't affect the pinch to zoom at all. It works flawlessly.

its not a big deal!
The issue appears to be a hardware issue, .. but i think there is away to solve it using a software fix, ... for example instead of the OS takes the data as it is from the touch screen that provides it (which appears to be flawed), another layer should exist, that can process the data from the touch screen and fix that issue and then pass it on.
I am not sure how this is can be done, or what is the effect of it on the over all performance, but I dont think it will be a problem with the Desire hardware specs.
Even with this issue, i dont believe it is a big deal, ... why do you need multi-touch? IMO to zoom in, zoom out (impress your friends and family), which works perfectly. other than that I hardly find any useful applications for it, ... ok maybe some games need this functionality to work properly, but i think i can live with not having games that require multi touch.

irkan said:
Even with this issue, i dont believe it is a big deal, ... why do you need multi-touch? IMO to zoom in, zoom out (impress your friends and family), which works perfectly. other than that I hardly find any useful applications for it, ... ok maybe some games need this functionality to work properly, but i think i can live with not having games that require multi touch.
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Typing is one thing that comes to mind
I am not trying to sound like a fanboy, but the multi-touch keyboard on the *cough*iphone*cough* is awesome. I have owned numerous HTC phones and the difference between say the MyTouch 3G and the iphone keyboard is like night and day.
Now, if there is a keyboard in the android market that is comparable then I will take back my previous statement. I haven't tried Swype, but have heard it is really good.

redrazr7791 said:
Typing is one thing that comes to mind
I am not trying to sound like a fanboy, but the multi-touch keyboard on the *cough*iphone*cough* is awesome. I have owned numerous HTC phones and the difference between say the MyTouch 3G and the iphone keyboard is like night and day.
Now, if there is a keyboard in the android market that is comparable then I will take back my previous statement. I haven't tried Swype, but have heard it is really good.
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This feature is not effected by the hardware "bug" of the touch screen, .. if you used both ur hands (2 fingers) at the same time to type and clicked "pressed the screen" on two different letters without moving them than you're completely safe
My point was that the type of multi-touch (mutli touch gestures or call it whatever ...) that is effected by the bug (IMHO) is negligible to most users
and that is exactly why am getting the Desire XP

irkan said:
This feature is not effected by the hardware "bug" of the touch screen, .. if you used both ur hands (2 fingers) at the same time to type and clicked "pressed the screen" on two different letters without moving them than you're completely safe
My point was that the type of multi-touch (mutli touch gestures or call it whatever ...) that is effected by the bug (IMHO) is negligible to most users
and that is exactly why am getting the Desire XP
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Thanks for clearing that up

http://www.youtube.com/user/androidpit#p/u/1/5_rT9YzE-xg
Watch from 5:40 till the end. Pinch-to-zoom is definitely there and is HELLA smooth too

More than 2 fingers multitouch?

Hello,
I'm excited that our Gio's have only 2 finger multitouch.
Is that possible to have more than only 2?
Thanks,
djemm,

no
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Why you think no?

the hardware isnt capable of it
only high end smartphones can

Still, what use would we get of that?
Evenif the touchscreenwas capable of handling 3 or more touches, the hardware surely die on that...Just try to two-finger-largen a website whichisn't optimised for mobiles...Hardware starts thinking about what to do And doesn't finish thinking about it for longlasting seconds...

^ Good point, mate.
On a software level it can be done. I have multitouch support on me ZTE Light (single touch resistive) But it wont enable you to use more than two fingers. It'll just fool the phone into thinking it and allow apps that require it.

robinandroid said:
the hardware isnt capable of it
only high end smartphones can
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I don't know what sensor is in our gio but actually galaxy 3 can handle up to 5 touch points with custom kernels... not a really high-end modell btw...

As we've said previously, our phone could also handle more than 2 touches, but since we couldn't get any single use of it, but freezing the phone off, nobody yet tried to tweak it out.
Still, it's your turn to do it

on our little 3 inch screeen you dont need more then 3 fingers on your screen neither..

If you've got a question, don't post it in the Development sub-forum.
Use the general section.

And Fairphone?

What about the FairPhone project? Anyone interested? I like to see Firefox OS on this device in future, does anyone have my same idea?
Link: Fairphone - Technical Details And Links

I already ordered a FairPhone. But I'm not so interested in Firefox OS, rather in porting the FairPhone OS (which will be based on Android but with some modifications) to other devices and porting some Custom ROMs (I'm thinking of RootBox and SuperNexus cause they're my favorites) to FairPhone. And I'll make lots of videos about it on YouTube (Unboxing, tests, comparisons with other phones and so on...)

MicroDroidXDA said:
... and porting some Custom ROMs (I'm thinking of RootBox and SuperNexus cause they're my favorites) to FairPhone. ...
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You would be one of my heroes! :good:
Please DO IT :fingers-crossed:
I would like to help, but I'm new to that 'business'.

Looks good, but "fairphone" ?
lol

obleser said:
You would be one of my heroes! :good:
Please DO IT :fingers-crossed:
I would like to help, but I'm new to that 'business'.
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So am I, but what the hell, I think learning by doing is the best thing anyway We could just make a team "The noob FairPhone developers"

What are the specifications of FairPhone?

Just found an important quote:
I’m also pleased to announce that all source code for the FairPhone OS and widgets will be free and released to the public.
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=> Im not allowed to post extern urls in my first 10 posts.. so no source here -.-

Props to Fairphone
I just read about the Fairphone for the first time, and I'm absolutely gutted. I was hoping that HTC would've heard our pleas and given us The Next HD2 (in my mind called the HDX in homage to XDA's fierce reverence of the HD2).
Props to Fairphone for giving us what we've been salivating about for years, but the name could definitely have used some more thought...

MicroDroidXDA said:
I already ordered a FairPhone.
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I have ordered one too... But I definitely want to leave Android (after about 4,5 years, since the T-Mobile G1), and I see in FirefoxOS a great potential. So I love to see this really open operating system (sup)ported on the Fairphone
fabian_screta said:
What are the specifications of FairPhone?
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CLICK HERE!

Firefox Browser not so good on phone
Its a shame because it's always my first choice when doing a clean install on pc.
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Thanks for the interesting link on fair phone though It's a great philosophy.
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Fairphone = adding necessary value(s)
Deedend said:
What about the FairPhone project? Anyone interested?
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I find the FairPhone initiative higly symathetic. Glad about this thread too.
People in this community should be considering what goes into our phones and how. The meaning of added value gets forgotten easily, with price substituting value too fast. Global market and supply tend to overwhelm and numb individual consumers. FairPhone is an intelligent way to start balancing that a bit.
It seems the project can use all extra hands and support. For instance, their site could perhaps present important facts and additional selling points better. For me, the adapted UI by Kwame is attractive, as is the basic possibility to install other roms of choice.
Unfortunately, not having contributed 10 useful posts yet, I may not offer 'outside' links here. I can only suggest you check out the Fairphone website yourself, especially the blog page, and follow some of the links provided there.
>> Among other things, you'll find a link to the recent presentation the developers of Kwame gave on their UI proposals on Android 4.2.2. Looking good and smart!
>> To find an interview (in English) with initiator Bas van Abel visit the site of blip.tv/openSUSEtv. Search and you will find
BTW - I'll try and see if I can upload some pdf docs I made of what I found, managing to keep the documents (many slides and pictures) small in size... If it works out, I'll post the docs here.
Let's hope the spark comes across :good:

This project is really cool, since most giant companies as of late dont release sources (Samsung with Exynos, Apple with...everything, etc...)
I have full support for this, although I cant afford it I hope the open source revolution continues

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I have ordered one too... But I definitely want to leave Android (after about 4,5 years, since the T-Mobile G1), and I see in FirefoxOS a great potential. So I love to see this really open operating system (sup)ported on the Fairphone
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Well the first FairPhone will run Android, that's for sure. I also think that FirefoxOS has a great potential, but I think Android's potential is still growing every day as more and more people become hobby Android developers, and it will take a few years until FirefoxOS will get more popular. So for now I'ma stick with Android.... also because I just love it. Every version is getting better than the one before.

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Well the first FairPhone will run Android, that's for sure. I also think that FirefoxOS has a great potential, but I think Android's potential is still growing every day as more and more people become hobby Android developers, and it will take a few years until FirefoxOS will get more popular. So for now I'ma stick with Android.... also because I just love it. Every version is getting better than the one before.
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I think that Android will become every day more invasive and closed... I admire open developer communities that create a lot of alternative roms, but I think that at this point we need a really open alternative to the giant; and I see in Firefox OS the best in terms of potential to open the mobile world. The system is very unripe (I am testing it on a Geeksphone Keon), but I can see a huge potential in it, and every update it improve a bit. I will follow his evolution with interest, and I hope that in future there will be the chance to put this system on the Fairphone hardware.
Perhaps it will be possible to install Android OR Firefox OS...

If you use Firefox brower in your PC, you will find you never have enough ram to run it, so I thing Firefox is will needs more powerful hardware than Htc one to run it

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If you use Firefox brower in your PC, you will find you never have enough ram to run it, so I thing Firefox is will needs more powerful hardware than Htc one to run it
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Keon works better than a lot of mid range Android that I have tried (remember that it's a developer preview unit)... and the specific of this phone are most like low range phone than mid range.
And, I use Firefox on every PC I use and rarely I experience lack of memory, even if I navigate with a lot of tabs opened!

Deedend said:
Keon works better than a lot of mid range Android that I have tried (remember that it's a developer preview unit)... and the specific of this phone are most like low range phone than mid range.
And, I use Firefox on every PC I use and rarely I experience lack of memory, even if I navigate with a lot of tabs opened!
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What can cause RAM shortages while using Firefox are mainly too many extensions added. I suppose any Firefox installation can cause - or rather allow for - memory problems, either on PC or phone, if users do not limit themselves in dressing their browser up with all that may seem fancy.
The extra freedom a browser like Firefox offers us users, comes with the inevitable burden of common sense restraint If that is understood, there's no reason in my opinion why Firefox could not aptly fulfill our needs...
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WOW, it seems something is moving... THIS TWEET make me hope! :victory:

Specs keep improving
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BTW - I'll try and see if I can upload some pdf docs I made of what I found, managing to keep the documents (many slides and pictures) small in size... If it works out, I'll post the docs here.
Let's hope the spark comes across :good:
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Alas, slimming pdf files based on presentations full of sheets down to the maximum allowed upload size has failed. The same goes even for the pdf of today's updated, ever improving spec sheet. But an old-fashioned copy-paste abstract might do just as well.
Here are the specs as per today, 28-05-2013, including the Change Log of improvements (italic and bold accents are mine):
Details
SIM Card - Dual SIM, Dual Active (!!)
Memory Card Type - microSD
Keypad Backlight No
Data Port Micro B
USB Version USB2.0
Charge Port MicroUSB Port, Type B
Earphone Jack ¢3.5
HDMI No
GPS Yes
WIFI Yes (more details to come)
BT Yes (more details to come)
FM Yes (!!)
Light Sensor Yes
G-Sensor Yes
E-Compass Yes (!!)
Proximity Sensor Yes
Gyroscope Yes (!!)
Antenna Type IFA
Mic SMD Switch
Speaker 1420*1
Receiver 1208
Motor 1020
Camera Pixel 8 megapixels +1.3 megapixels
Flashlight Yes!
Embedded System Memory 16GB ROM +1G RAM
Memory Card Type microSD
Memory Card Support Capacity 32Gb
Model GSM/WCDMA
Frequency GSM850/900/1800/1900MHZ, WCDMA 900/2100MHz
GPRS Class GPRS Class 12
EDGE Class Multi-Slot Class 12
UMTS Rate HSPA uplink cat7 up to 11.5Mbps (!!!!!) & downlink cat24 up to 42.2Mbps (!!!!!)
Video Decode Format MPEG4/H.264:[email protected] (!!)
Video Encode Format MPEG4/H.263:[email protected]
H.264:[email protected]
Audio Decode Format WAV,MP3,MP2,AAC,AMR-NB,AMR-WB,MIDI,Vorbis,APE,AAC-plus v1,Aac-plus v2,FLAC,WMA (!!!!!)
Audio Encode Format AMR-NB,AMR-WB,AAC,OGG
Photo Format JPEG
Streaming Media Yes
Primary Screen Size 4.3"
Primary Screen Type TFT
Primary Screen Resolution qHD (960x540 pixels)
Primary Screen Color 16M
Primary Backlight Quantity 8
Touchpanel Type Capacitive
Primary Camera Pixel 8 megapixels
Primary Camera Sensor Type CMOS
Primary Camera Sensor to be determined
Primary Camera Focus AF
Primary Camera Data Zoom Level 8
Secondary Camera Pixel 1.3 megapixels
Secondary Camera Sensor Type CMOS
Secondary Camera Sensor to be determined
Secondary Camera Focus FF
Multi-Shot Yes
Camera Scene Normal/Night
Photo Effect Normal/Monochrome/Negative
Video Recording Yes
Logbook of changes:
15 May: Good news! We added e-compass and gyroscope!
24/May: Sim capability has changed to Dual Stand-by. That basically means that you cannot have two calls active at the same time in both of the SIM cards. Though when in stand-by you can get a call on any of the 2 numbers and manage easily your data on one or the other SIM. It is one click to change from one to the other, while you are available on both. Internet works on one of the two (the one you choose), while you can receive calls on both simcards any time.
27/May:
Good news! Our UMTS rate is now better, so faster internet!! It was: "HSPA DL/UL, 7.2 Mbps/5.76Mbps" and it changed to Uplink: cat.7 up to 11.5Mbps & Downlink cat. 24 up to 42.2Mbps
Good news! Our Video Decode Format is better with 1080p! (MPEG4/H.264:[email protected]). That means you can record full HD. Better when you enjoy your videos on your TV for example.
Good news! Our audio encode/decode supports more formats!
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Furthermore: sales keep rising. With 16 days to the go until the deadline, the set target of 5000 sold FairPhones has been reached by 59% (or 2975 phones). It would seem that the buzz still very much goes on :victory:
To be continued, I think :highfive:

This is a great project. Really hope this takes off - I think I'm going to order one myself.

Oneplus3 touch latency is too bad..

anyone noticed very high touch latency on this device.. exp. when you moving your finger across display, its always couple mm behind it.. I was on many android/iphone devices before op and this is the worst latency I experianced.. The phone is good in all other points, but in this is very anoying.. Is there any software/kernel way to improve it somehow?

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anyone noticed very high touch latency on this device.. exp. when you moving your finger across display, its always couple mm behind it.. I was on many android/iphone devices before op and this is the worst latency I experianced.. The phone is good in all other points, but in this is very anoying.. Is there any software/kernel way to improve it somehow?
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Could you give an example or a specific app where you face the input latency? Do you use a modified rom? In my case there is no lag at all. Accuracy and input speed are great

LS.xD said:
Could you give an example or a specific app where you face the input latency? Do you use a modified rom? In my case there is no lag at all. Accuracy and input speed are great
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there is no lag, there is touch latency..
when you move your finger, its not instant, exp, try fast moving notification panel, and u will notice that panel is behind your finger. Maybe its not bother you, but if you try nexus device or iphone, you will see dramatic difference. I notice that @arter97 talks about it on twitter too.. I tried his kerenl and all coustom/stock/6.0/7.1 roms, but there is always high delay/latency persistent..
I tried my gf nexus5 and its way better.. and I read on web there is 75ms touch latency on nexus5, so i think there must be 100-120ms latency on oneplus3.. thats shame for flagship killer..
video example about what touch latency is.

vrda08 said:
there is no lag, there is touch latency..
when you move your finger, its not instant, exp, try fast moving notification panel, and u will notice that panel is behind your finger. Maybe its not bother you, but if you try nexus device or iphone, you will see dramatic difference. I notice that @arter97 talks about it on twitter too.. I tried his kerenl and all coustom/stock/6.0/7.1 roms, but there is always high delay/latency persistent..
I tried my gf nexus5 and its way better.. and I read on web there is 75ms touch latency on nexus5, so i think there must be 100-120ms latency on oneplus3.. thats shame for flagship killer..
video example about what touch latency is.
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Now I know what you're talking about BUT does 100ms instead of 75ms mean that the usability of the phone is limited in any way? Do you have a concrete example of a app or feature that you can't use due to the latency?

LS.xD said:
Now I know what you're talking about BUT does 100ms instead of 75ms mean that the usability of the phone is limited in any way? Do you have a concrete example of a app or feature that you can't use due to the latency?
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no there is no that way of limitation because of 25-50ms latency. But there is worse user experiance then in some 3 yrs old devices..

Same here...
vrda08 said:
anyone noticed very high touch latency on this device.. exp. when you moving your finger across display, its always couple mm behind it.. I was on many android/iphone devices before op and this is the worst latency I experianced.. The phone is good in all other points, but in this is very anoying.. Is there any software/kernel way to improve it somehow?
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I thought i was the only one that noticed it. I can give some example: Try True Skate, it's a paid gaming app, but it's fun to play sometimes. I have also a galaxy tab S 8.4 which has a lot better latency without any doubt.

so there is any way to improve this via software? or it is a hardware limitation?

In my opinion this is just the way how OxygenOS is designed. Try CM 14, it definetelly is created to has no touch latency.

M3ntoR said:
In my opinion this is just the way how OxygenOS is designed. Try CM 14, it definetelly is created to has no touch latency.
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Because it's Nougat.

Arter97 Tried to improve it the best he can but ran into some issues with firmware, You can read up on it in his kernel thread

M3ntoR said:
In my opinion this is just the way how OxygenOS is designed. Try CM 14, it definetelly is created to has no touch latency.
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Demian3112 said:
Because it's Nougat.
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No its not nougat. Dont write s***.
Its about firmware not software. Google improved software in 7.1 with reduced touch input lag, but thats not problem wit op3.
And about nougat, I tried all roms, from 6.0 to 7.1 and its all the same in high touch latency.

if i were you, i'd use at least assistive touch as a test approach. instead of pulling up/down notification area. which introduces quite a lot possible overhead. like animation, event processing, gpu etc.
generally speaking, the OS certainly if not solely affects what you call 'touch latency' ( 'touch latency based on visual feedback' i would say). it's almost definitely not a firmware issue.
btw. you might have already heard of the infamous audio latency issue with android. as a matter of fact, it's almost a linux issue. due to the kernel and system design.
PS: oh wait. i will give you the best test case. just activate dev menu, choose to display currrent touch position on video overlay. see how everything works.
vrda08 said:
there is no lag, there is touch latency..
when you move your finger, its not instant, exp, try fast moving notification panel, and u will notice that panel is behind your finger. Maybe its not bother you, but if you try nexus device or iphone, you will see dramatic difference. I notice that @arter97 talks about it on twitter too.. I tried his kerenl and all coustom/stock/6.0/7.1 roms, but there is always high delay/latency persistent..
I tried my gf nexus5 and its way better.. and I read on web there is 75ms touch latency on nexus5, so i think there must be 100-120ms latency on oneplus3.. thats shame for flagship killer..
video example about what touch latency is.
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So what's the value of this touch latency on this device in comparison with other phones? Any technical figure?

It's at about ~95ms. In comparison iPhone 6s is at about ~25ms and HTC M8 is at 46ms. That's what I read while googling the subject.

PlayPetepp said:
It's at about ~95ms. In comparison iPhone 6s is at about ~25ms and HTC M8 is at 46ms. That's what I read while googling the subject.
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Could you please point me in the right direction so that I can see and compare result with other devices too?

ithehappy said:
Could you please point me in the right direction so that I can see and compare result with other devices too?
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You could start here and then maybe google "smartphone touch screen latency".

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Problem reported on OnePlus forums. Check it here and here if you want further info.
Edit: xda also posted the issue here

Ngh5505 posted this one the OnePlus Forum:
https://forums.oneplus.net/attachments/screenshot_20161129-095025-png.469325/
Did anybody tried it?

_Beni_ said:
Ngh5505 posted this one the OnePlus Forum:
https://forums.oneplus.net/attachments/screenshot_20161129-095025-png.469325/
Did anybody tried it?
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It's for OP3T but it's already been ported to OP3 and there's no difference.

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