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Or do we only know its going to be in january at somepoint
Well, everyone keeps saying sometime in January but where did we even get that from? Microsoft post something?
I think Microsoft said 'sometime early in 2011' but everyone started saying January...
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer is delivering the pre-show keynote on January 5th. One could assume that there would be other minor updates before Mango is released in the fall. Foley also mentioned the possibility of a Windows Phone 8 (codenamed Apollo) launch in late 2012.
Originally Posted: http://thetechjournal.com/electroni...g-after-wp-7-5-os-in-2012.xhtml#ixzz19q1nVtfK
Sure would be nice if they would pull a Sega Saturn and announce a decent update and tell us that it will be available that day
Wishful thinking I guess...
I hope its within the next 2 weeks or so. Microsoft really has to get the ball rolling on these updates to close the gap.
I think for a brand new operating system Microsoft have done a very good job and I am sure as and when updates occur it will only get better.
Patience is a virtue
Probably march. I honestly don't expect the update this month. As awesome as that would be. I REALLY hope this update is as amazing as all the hype everyone has for it.
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I am hearing now, it would be in Feb at some 'mobile world congress' in Barcelona.
Articles
http://www.dailytech.com/Windows+Phone+7+Update+Schedule+Leaks/article20368.htm
http://www.pcworld.com/article/211978/massive_windows_phone_7_update_rumored_for_january.html
http://www.liveside.net/2010/12/11/two-windows-phone-7-updates-coming-in-early-2011/
These may help.
i hope the reasign the search button to something else.. i really hate it and hardy use it..
I don't actually use copy and paste on my mobile phone. I am guessing that they will probably update all their phones when they launch the CDMA versions of Windows Phone 7.
xThe Enforcer said:
Well, everyone keeps saying sometime in January but where did we even get that from? Microsoft post something?
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They came from sites like Engadget, Gizmodo, Pocketnow and others, reporting the Jan. and Feb updates. For the Feb update, it was supposed to be so massive that it could be considered WP8. Now, however, MS has reported a massive update for Aug/Sep. Reading between the lines, one can expect the first two updates...if they actually do happen...to be minimal at best.
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i hope the reasign the search button to something else.. i really hate it and hardy use it..
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Yups.. bing is useless outside USA.. and the frequency of searching web is not that often for it to warrant a dedicated key...
A simple green dialer key would have been better..
Purple11 said:
Yups.. bing is useless outside USA.. and the frequency of searching web is not that often for it to warrant a dedicated key...
A simple green dialer key would have been better..
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That's how I feel about the Internet button on Android Nexus One/T-Mobile G2 builds. All 3 of the buttons are permanent in the OEM launcher and the Internet button is a waste of space. It's rarely used.
But I have used the WP7 search button quite frequently in apps like the Marketplace or Zune.
the search button is actually quite useful if programmed by the app. for example, i work at a bank and if we made a proper app, the search button can be utilised for transaction searching, or address book searching.
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They came from sites like Engadget, Gizmodo, Pocketnow and others, reporting the Jan. and Feb updates. For the Feb update, it was supposed to be so massive that it could be considered WP8. Now, however, MS has reported a massive update for Aug/Sep. Reading between the lines, one can expect the first two updates...if they actually do happen...to be minimal at best.
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Oh, gotcha. I know those are amazing sites and I do browse them but until we see an official posting by Microsoft or something a the CES event I will not get my hopes up on any update...
Anthonok said:
Probably march. I honestly don't expect the update this month. As awesome as that would be. I REALLY hope this update is as amazing as all the hype everyone has for it.
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How did you get board express working. Mine hasn't worked since the last update.
Edit: nevermind. Its working again.
I'm expecting news about the first update on Wednesday later this week. That's when Microsoft is having a keynote speech at CES, so it's the most likely event for them to present the first update and show off the new features/improvements.
Regarding the second update, it is logical to think it would come in February at Mobile World Congress. However I think the two updates are a little too close together, so this part of the rumor may be wishful thinking. There's definitely a chance this could still happen though.
Now, what's actually going to be in each update is still a question. I'm assuming both will bring some bug squashing and at least one will hopefully make those annoying camera settings finally 'stick'. I think multitasking is still far off (probably with the 'Mango' release), but I think we could see Bing Maps Navigation in the second update. They've done it before with WM6.5 so I hope they can do it quickly for WP7.
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Now, what's actually going to be in each update is still a question. I'm assuming both will bring some bug squashing and at least one will hopefully make those annoying camera settings finally 'stick'. I think multitasking is still far off (probably with the 'Mango' release), but I think we could see Bing Maps Navigation in the second update. They've done it before with WM6.5 so I hope they can do it quickly for WP7.
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I read somewhere a few weeks ago that the bing maps team that were developing for 6.5 were redeployed at very short notice back in July in order to get working on turn-by-turn navigation for WP7. That's why turn by turn nav on 6.5 disappeared back then. Not that anybody outside of the US ever got to use turn by turn on 6.5.
I would imagine that turn by turn will make an appearance in January, but probably only for the US initially. Most other markets (my own is Ireland) don't even get local searches in bing, so it is actually impossible to even search for a street address in this market as of now. We dont even get POI listings (restaurants, post offices etc).
I'm all for not getting your hopes up, but come on. Do you REALLY think that those Verizon apps that got leaked in the Marketplace were just for show?
CDMA support is obviously coming in January, no later than that. And what will we need to even have CDMA support? That's right, an update. Might as well go ahead and drop copy and paste in there (which is already READY for god sakes, an early version was even showed in a video last month, or did you all forget) as well as other confirmed updates like custom ringtones and such.
Probably a separate update dedicated to multitasking in February. In fact, MS already has the tech set in place for this. Go play a song in the music/videos hub. Now go surf the net or write an e-mail. Hell, go do anything on your phone. The song is still playing.
Basically, it's technically already enabled in the OS itself. We all know this. All they need to do to make it happen for 3rd party apps is update the developer tools to enable it to be utilized, and push out an update with a suitable task manager.
Use your brains people. It IS Microsoft but then again it is Microsoft. We used to expect them to not deliver in timely fashions but in the past few years they've gotten a lot better with that. And with all the money they're pouring into Windows Phone 7, it's obviously not just a little thought in the back of their heads. On the contrary, it's important enough to make them NOT wait until late 2011 to push out some of the stuff I outlined above.
Paul Thurrott from Windows Phone Secrets have revealed, well, some secrets about the upcoming Windows Phone 7 updates.
He writes that we can expect two updates this year – the first expected to be announced this week, but only pushed in February by carriers, will be called NoDo (for no donuts), will bring support for the Qualcomm 7×30 smart phone chipset, a CDMA location stack, and a number of software fixes.
Of note is that the Snapdragon-based Qualcomm 7×30 chipset comes with HDMI output and the ability to play back 720p video on both its host device and a HDTV. It also supports Flash 10.1.
The next Mango, will come some time later in the year, and bring Internet Explorer 9 with with the Trident 5 rendering engine, HTML 5 and Silverlight, and gesture support. This 75xx (actually version 7.2) update will apparently bring additional, unrelated features as well.
Paul also mentions that Microsoft does not intend to push a number of small updates, but only a few large updates per year, which should mean long waits between each one.
Source:
wpcentral.com/thurrott-details-2011-wp7-updates-mango-and-nodo-as-no-donuts
wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-updates-nodo-and-mango-coming/
I still believe that we'll see at least 3 updates in the year. 2 small ones and one large one.
Carriers could hold up and update for 1 cycle. That "advantage" would seem close to useless if the cycles could be almost a year apart.
You misspoke when you said updates are pushed out by carriers. Updates are released by Microsoft but tested by carriers before officially released.
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Thurrott reports that NoDo will RTM in January, with consumers seeing the update in the early February timeframe, after testing by carriers.
I don't think it would be logistically feasible to push tons of updates and bug fixes as they come up, instead of cumulative updates.
The carriers have to certify them, and I'm sure that they have to be given a certain amount of time to do so.
Though I would like to see an aggressive update schedule. Maybe one every 3 months.
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Paul Thurrott from Windows Phone Secrets have revealed, well, some secrets about the upcoming Windows Phone 7 updates.
He writes that we can expect two updates this year – the first expected to be announced this week, but only pushed in February by carriers, will be called NoDo (for no donuts), will bring support for the Qualcomm 7×30 smart phone chipset, a CDMA location stack, and a number of software fixes.
Of note is that the Snapdragon-based Qualcomm 7×30 chipset comes with HDMI output and the ability to play back 720p video on both its host device and a HDTV. It also supports Flash 10.1.
The next Mango, will come some time later in the year, and bring Internet Explorer 9 with with the Trident 5 rendering engine, HTML 5 and Silverlight, and gesture support. This 75xx (actually version 7.2) update will apparently bring additional, unrelated features as well.
Paul also mentions that Microsoft does not intend to push a number of small updates, but only a few large updates per year, which should mean long waits between each one.
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wpcentral.com/thurrott-details-2011-wp7-updates-mango-and-nodo-as-no-donuts
wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-updates-nodo-and-mango-coming/
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actually he said that there will be more small updates between now and mango.
Though mango sounds like a great update (IE9 with full silverlight and html 5)
The fact that "Mango" is being labeled as the "Entertainment Branch" makes me wonder about what the "Business Branch" is.
I think it's safe to assume that there is a Business Branch. So I wonder what priority is given to it. Will it come before or after Mango? Will it be released concurrently? What types of updates would fall under "Business Branch"?
I would say letting carriers in "testing" the update is a bad move on Microsoft's part. If it is anything like Palm, a carrier will push the update rather quickly (Sprint), while the other carriers will release it much latter (one month or more) and only because customers were getting pissed (AT&T and Verizon).
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I would say letting carriers in "testing" the update is a bad move on Microsoft's part. If it is anything like Palm, a carrier will push the update rather quickly (Sprint), while the other carriers will release it much latter (one month or more) and only because customers were getting pissed (AT&T and Verizon).
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As it was said above, the carriers don't push the updates. When MS released WP7 they said all devices would get updates at the same time, regardless of device or carrier.
The proclamations of imminent failure are rather humorous. It shows 2 main things to me.
1. Some people have very short attention spans, and can't fathom the idea of a "long term plan"
2. Some people think that every other consumer wants the same thing that they do
Microsoft is in this for the long haul. The fact that they have stated that they don't expect to be in a position to beat the major players for at least a few years shows that they are looking at this as a long term investment.
There is a large portion of the mobile phone using market that hasn't upgraded to using a smart phone yet. Many people are happy with their regular phones because they feel that they don't need the features of a smart phone. However, every year, more and more of this very large market slowly moves over into the smartphone arena. These are people who want something that is slick, easy to use, and interesting. They don't need every feature under the sun. These are the kind of people that made the first iPhone such a success even though it severely lacked features compared to Windows Mobile. These are the people that the "Really?" commercials are targeted towards. People who haven't already jumped on the smartphone bandwagon because it just all seems like "too much."
The fact that MS is planning major upgrades to WP7 at all is awesome. It shows that while they are going for the casual feature phone user, they also want to get smartphone users as well. And the fact that they're doing it so quickly is even more awesome. After all, how long has the phone been out now? 2 months? 3 months by the time of the first update? Not too shabby.
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Just a few I garnered for you:
http://blog.wirelessground.com/windows-phone-7-success-or-failure/
http://www.conceivablytech.com/4653...hone-7-failure-microsoft-will-buy-ad-company/
http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/windows-phone-7-even-bigger-disaster-i-thought-912
http://mosspuppet.com/2010/03/15/windows-phone-7-is-already-a-failure/
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/662...phone-webkit-html-5-ie7-browser-google-ap.htm
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/gartner-predicts-windows-phone-7-will-not-succeed
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I clicked on some of these articles and some were from March, September, and right around the time of launch. Seriously?
From the article: will bring support for the Qualcomm 7×30 smart phone chipset
Is this a support for any new hardware that might come in future wp7 phones or do the existing wp7 phones support this?
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From the article: will bring support for the Qualcomm 7×30 smart phone chipset
Is this a support for any new hardware that might come in future wp7 phones or do the existing wp7 phones support this?
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It's supposed to be current generation hardware that has that.
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From the article: will bring support for the Qualcomm 7×30 smart phone chipset
Is this a support for any new hardware that might come in future wp7 phones or do the existing wp7 phones support this?
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The MSM7x30 is a second generation snapdragon that has improved GPU (as used in the T-Mobile G2). Though, based on the wiki this is 800 MHz. Guess we'll have to wait for the actual details.
All current WP7 phones use the QSD8250, so this won't benefit existing phones.
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As it was said above, the carriers don't push the updates. When MS released WP7 they said all devices would get updates at the same time, regardless of device or carrier.
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With that being said, can't Microsoft themselves push the update as early as next week? The first update seems really minor.
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A consumer oriented model would have brought the features out either at launch or soon there after. And a consumer oriented model would not hold out on features that are common in the market already for such a long period of time.
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If the features were ready at launch or around launch, they would have been released. We don't have the functionality because it's not ready. It is no more complicated than that.
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From the article: will bring support for the Qualcomm 7×30 smart phone chipset
Is this a support for any new hardware that might come in future wp7 phones or do the existing wp7 phones support this?
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CDMA support
lqaddict said:
Yet MS orchestrated the iPhone funeral during WP7 launch...
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So MS can't do that because they feel (and they do) that they have a good competitive product?
The thing with articles is because they influence public outlook on stuff (for the most part). How many claimed WP7 was gonna fail because KIN was discontinued? Articles nowadays are usually biased toward or for a certain platform and hardly treated as fact. It's always an opinion of some person.
I think you missed my point that a very large percentage of potential customers aren't interested in a list of "features" that could be checked off.
Many people who are transitioning from feature phone to smart phone just want the transition to be nice and painless.
You're looking at things from the perspective of a veteran smartphone user. And most people aren't.
I disagree that the mango update is an issue. It's not like android where half the devices are still on 2.1 with 2.2 released months ago and 2.3 just released.
Updates will be across all phones, yes it will take time to get them, but what OS gets releases out fast?
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I disagree that the mango update is an issue. It's not like android where half the devices are still on 2.1 with 2.2 released months ago and 2.3 just released.
Updates will be across all phones, yes it will take time to get them, but what OS gets releases out fast?
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Only thing on this thread that hasn't made me cringe with "WTF?!", so thanks for that.
Did anybody really expect HTML5, Silverlight, Copy & Paste, Multitasking within 2 months of release and bug-free?? That's impossible. They've only been working on the entire OS for just over a year ffs. I'm amazed we're even using WM7 right now, let alone getting ANY sort of an update within a few weeks.
People on this thread just sound like this is their first early adoptation of a phone. Welcome to the gadget world, friends.
http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-to-officially-support-homebrew-developments-on-windows-phone-7
Microsoft will soon support homebrew developments on their Windows Phone 7 platform following two days of meetings with developers behind the ChevronWP7 unlocking tool.
Late last year following the release of Windows Phone 7, a team of developers uncovered a bug which allowed those with a device running the operating system to install applications on their device without using Microsoft's application store, dubbed the Marketplace.
It made headlines as technology enthusiasts fought over whether the release of the unlocking tool, ChevronWP7, was a good idea to enable freedom on the platform or if it was a bad idea, encouraging jailbreaking and piracy.
However the team behind the software were soon contacted by Microsoft's Brandon Watson, Director of Developer Experience for Windows Phone 7, who took a keen interest in the matter and encouraged the developers to cease offering the tool while discussions about ChevronWP7's future continued between Microsoft and the developers.
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The details of how this all is going to work has not been finalized. But at least we know it's coming.
Bengal34 said:
http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-to-officially-support-homebrew-developments-on-windows-phone-7
The details of how this all is going to work has not been finalized. But at least we know it's coming.
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the january update was coming too. tell me when it comes, otherwise bull****.
pillsburydoughman said:
the january update was coming too. tell me when it comes, otherwise bull****.
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The 'January' update IS coming:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-info.aspx
It's just that the 'when' is unknown. Hell, there is still a week left in January so it could still drop in time. Otherwise it'll probably be sometime in February, maybe just waiting until MWC?
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The 'January' update IS coming:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-info.aspx
It's just that the 'when' is unknown. Hell, there is still a week left in January so it could still drop in time. Otherwise it'll probably be sometime in February, maybe just waiting until MWC?
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Definitely very promising indications. It will be the best of both worlds, a secure and sandboxed marketplace plus freedom to install apps normally without restriction.
If they also give us a file system, in addition to the updates planned for this year, we'll have a decent OS on our hands.
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the january update was coming too. tell me when it comes, otherwise bull****.
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MS never said the update was coming in January.
This is great news
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Desperate times cause for desperate measures. Some interest is better than none, I guess.
I recommend Microsoft to implement an "Advanced" tab in the Zune software to dev-unlock phones for users, but it should come with agreements, warnings and such to prevent regular users from attempting...
Or, they could add a new tier of developer accounts for free, so users like XDA-devs would be able to unlock their phones.
The problem with the current dev accounts is that even if you sign up and pay, you still have to submit a US taxt form, etc. AND you do not get verified until you submit your first app, which is kind of ridiculous (at least that is how it works for DreakSpark accounts).
I really hope Microsoft follows up on whatever promise they gave ChevronWP7 devs...
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MS never said the update was coming in January.
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Yes.... maybe Feb, March or April.... who know????
iwantnokia said:
Yes.... maybe Feb, March or April.... who know????
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Well, MS did said update will be in january.
Jefis said:
Well, MS did said update will be in january.
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I thought they said "early 2011" or "Q1 2011" or somesuch. Don't remember them specifying a month. My bet goes on a post-MWC release.
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The 'January' update IS coming:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-info.aspx
It's just that the 'when' is unknown. Hell, there is still a week left in January so it could still drop in time. Otherwise it'll probably be sometime in February, maybe just waiting until MWC?
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According to MS, the update is ready, just trying to get the carrier kinks worked out. I'm guessing 1st week of feb for this update and maybe another small update announced at mwc.
Small update announcement and new handsets at MWC.
Seems Microsoft is moving full steam ahead we have RTM!!!http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-mango-released-to-manufacturers-in-carrier-testing/
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Seems Microsoft is moving full steam ahead we have RTM!!!http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-mango-released-to-manufacturers-in-carrier-testing/
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a subject already exist http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1170721&page=2
but great news for us
Well yeah at the end of August we will see the first new phones, but Microsoft always said that consumers will get Mango in the fall.
So it's nice to hear they have RTM'd, but September is already fall and with carrier testing and OEM testing I doubt will get it earlier.
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Well yeah at the end of August we will see the first new phones, but Microsoft always said that consumers will get Mango in the fall.
So it's nice to hear they have RTM'd, but September is already fall and with carrier testing and OEM testing I doubt will get it earlier.
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we can hope that got it earlier
http://www.wpcentral.com/ATT-dell-venue-pro-not-shipping-till-8-30-getting-mango-speculation
"fall" is only two months away, as of tomorrow. Just to keep things in perspective.
It seems reasonable to expect the testing and certification by phone manufacturers and carriers to take at least two months, which would be consistent with all of the timelines that have been "leaked" over the past few months. Many rumors indicated that Mango would RTM in July (which it has), and that new Mango-equipped hardware would begin to hit retailers by late August/early September (which also appears to be accurate - remember, no one ever said they would be available worldwide at that time).
Add in another month to complete manufacturer/carrier testing for existing devices, and deal with the logistical issues around preparing for the distribution, and people on reasonable carriers could easily start seeing the update on their phones in early October. People on AT&T will probably see it by June of next year.
Already reported by Microsoft themselves that Windows Phone 7 Mango has not RTM'd yet. Which is good IMO, because I'd rather them work on it as much as possible.
prjkthack said:
Already reported by Microsoft themselves that Windows Phone 7 Mango has not RTM'd yet. Which is good IMO, because I'd rather them work on it as much as possible.
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it is now
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...ws-phone-mango-released-to-manufacturing.aspx
I'm going to hope (probably in vane) that the RTM is leaked onto the internets somehow. I've had minimal dramas with the mango beta, so I'd like to get onboard with the RTM ASAP.
Demaar said:
I'm going to hope (probably in vane) that the RTM is leaked onto the internets somehow. I've had minimal dramas with the mango beta, so I'd like to get onboard with the RTM ASAP.
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how will hoping you know about the direction of wind help mango leak?!
i will hope in vain as well, but maybe we'll get lucky and it will leak out (or even be released in short order)
wasn't that new toshiba phone msft is showing today/tomorrow supposed to be running mango?
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Already reported by Microsoft themselves that Windows Phone 7 Mango has not RTM'd yet. Which is good IMO, because I'd rather them work on it as much as possible.
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Well, it looks like you got more time. Only 4 days worth, but still...
Seriously, though, It seems obvious now that the code was already frozen when the original report "leaked", but that the hand-off to handset makers and operators was not complete. Now it is.
So, we are still on track (barring ridiculous manufacturer/carrier delays) to see people actually receive the update by late September/early October. And, if Nokia does have hardware ready to go (which seems evident), we may see Mango-equipped new phone models very quickly.
kinda news ?
i was expecting more today, like a NEW mango finalized device displayed somewhere..
is this only a rtm announcement ?
anyone know if there will be a 2 stage release to end users like nodo had to make carriers actually push updates to phones ?
...waiting for some hard news...
I'm hoping that I'll connect to Zune soon and see that an update is available. I'd like full Twitter integration in my Mango.
ohgood said:
anyone know if there will be a 2 stage release to end users like nodo had to make carriers actually push updates to phones ?
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I'm not sure what you're asking. All WP7 updates go through a certification process with both handset manufacturers and mobile operators. But neither of those entities "push" the updates to phones. Update delivery only happens through Microsoft (i.e., Zune).
So, what is happening now is that the other companies involved have received their copies of Mango for final testing and sign-off. They had likely already received earlier builds, so they could begin development of new features and/or apps (thanks to all of the new capabilities they might want to capitalize on), but now the clock is ticking on them. They complete the sign-off, send back to Microsoft any modifications they have made specific to their hardware or mobile service, and then Microsoft combines those into various bundles that ultimately get delivered to our phones.
The one exception to that rule is unbranded phones, which will probably receive the update before carrier-branded ones, since there is only one level of sign-off needed before the update can be made available.
The big question is whether Microsoft will be able to apply more pressure to carriers (especially AT&T) to sign-off in a timely manner. On this issue, let's just say that I have my doubts.
Out of curiosity, did we ever get a notice of the specific date that NoDo went RTM? I don't recall seeing one. Maybe the fact that Microsoft is being so vocal this time around is part of their plan to "motivate" carriers.
This is fantastic. Like others Im hoping someone leaks the latest build so XDA members can get their fingers dirty.
RoboDad said:
I'm not sure what you're asking. All WP7 updates go through a certification process with both handset manufacturers and mobile operators. But neither of those entities "push" the updates to phones. Update delivery only happens through Microsoft (i.e., Zune).
So, what is happening now is that the other companies involved have received their copies of Mango for final testing and sign-off. They had likely already received earlier builds, so they could begin development of new features and/or apps (thanks to all of the new capabilities they might want to capitalize on), but now the clock is ticking on them. They complete the sign-off, send back to Microsoft any modifications they have made specific to their hardware or mobile service, and then Microsoft combines those into various bundles that ultimately get delivered to our phones.
The one exception to that rule is unbranded phones, which will probably receive the update before carrier-branded ones, since there is only one level of sign-off needed before the update can be made available.
The big question is whether Microsoft will be able to apply more pressure to carriers (especially AT&T) to sign-off in a timely manner. On this issue, let's just say that I have my doubts.
Out of curiosity, did we ever get a notice of the specific date that NoDo went RTM? I don't recall seeing one. Maybe the fact that Microsoft is being so vocal this time around is part of their plan to "motivate" carriers.
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i don't know how to be more clear with my question.
i can't see att caring about what microsoft says about signing off. they aren't exactly pushing wp products, and could care less about an update that will -not- sell another contract/phone to existing customers. an iphone hardware update on the other hand, oh yes yes yes, they love that stuff.
i did see a couple of blog posts (via my android news aggregator) stating that there would be a mango hardware unveil today, along with the rtm statement. apparently, bloggers jumped the gun, again.
the rtm statement is really a non-news worthy event. "we released something to someone, so sometime soon you might have a something for your phone. maybe." really that's all it is.
now HARDWARE... that's something i can understand there being threads and news about. say, searay or whatever the supposed new SHIPPING device is, that's news.
anyway, back to my jonesing for new tech... maybe endgadget or someone has some cool news... rss update time
ohgood said:
i don't know how to be more clear with my question.
i can't see att caring about what microsoft says about signing off. they aren't exactly pushing wp products
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Pushing products in a store and pushing updates to existing phones have nothing to do with each other. So I still don't understand your original question about carriers pushing the update to our phones. They don't push the update, Microsoft does.
So based on a leaked document from AT&T the 7.8 update will not go live until WP8 devices are released.... that means 7.8 will not come to the Lumia until Christmas...
Nokia and MS are just playing with the customer making promises they will not fulfill.
Matters not to me I will grab a Win Phone 8 device when they are available and either slide my L900 in a drawer or put it on ebay, as will most others who want the latest
oh yeah, since we all have a pile of money laying around to update our phones every six months. prick.
I thought Nokia was going to directly push the updates to customers who sign up for a program? I was confused when AT&T mentioned they had a timeline for it.
bigwavesurfer4 said:
oh yeah, since we all have a pile of money laying around to update our phones every six months. prick.
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Careful - name calling isn't part of the discussion. If someone can afford it they are welcome to do what they want with their money. He said what he's going to do, not what everyone should do. Hence, name calling is totally unwarranted here.
peterfnet said:
I thought Nokia was going to directly push the updates to customers who sign up for a program? I was confused when AT&T mentioned they had a timeline for it.
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Yes, the update will be made available OTA afaik. My guess is that AT&T will do the official push to gather everyone in so they all are running 7.8. I would assume that even though I will be pushing the update to myself, not everyone will want to do that (depending on how it's made available). My dad comes to mind
hvbelton said:
Matters not to me I will grab a Win Phone 8 device when they are available and either slide my L900 in a drawer or put it on ebay, as will most others who want the latest
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Exactly - to be the latest and greatest at all times, you need to be ready to shell out the cash. I'll be looking at the 1st gen WP8 devices, but I'm pretty sure I'll be picking up a slate/tablet this time around as my iToy err iPad (gen 1) is gathering dust due to uselessness and lag (should have NEVER added the latest OS patch =/).
I'm already looking towards WP8 Gen II devices :angel:
Actually I am a little fuzzy about the OTA update thing. When they were talking about that, were they referring to future WP8 devices, or legacy devices as well. Same goes for the 18 month support promise. Moving forward, or including legacy devices.
If a WP7.8 OTA update is planned, do devices already have that capability, or do we need a "plug in" update to enable it?
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jimski said:
Actually I am a little fuzzy about the OTA update thing. When they were talking about that, were they referring to future WP8 devices, or legacy devices as well. Same goes for the 18 month support promise. Moving forward, or including legacy devices.
If a WP7.8 OTA update is planned, do devices already have that capability, or do we need a "plug in" update to enable it?
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Well, I'm going off of some articles I read about the WP 7.8 update, including what Paul Thurrott said. However, I can't seem to find a direct quote from Microsoft. So, we'll just have to wait and see. Nokia said something about 7.8 arriving in the coming weeks, but again, that could have also been in reference to something else (re: exclusive apps and extras).
*shrug* still lots to follow =)
I remember well that only WP8 will receive ota.
xsever said:
I remember well that only WP8 will receive ota.
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Yes, as a regular feature. But 7.8 was discussed otherwise:
Windows Update. Windows Phone 7.8 will be delivered directly to all Windows Phone users, bypassing the carriers. You will be able to download and install Windows Phone 7.8 over Wi-Fi, at home or wherever else, and install this update. This type of updating will be made available in Windows Phone 8, as well, as given my long, loud, and lengthy complaining about the lack of such updating in Windows Phone 7.x, you won’t be surprised, maybe, to discover that Microsoft jokingly calls this “the Paul Thurrott feature” internally.
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That was the only part I could find, not an official bit from Microsoft themselves. you can see it here: http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windowsphone75/windows-phone-78-preview-143476
So, AT&T customers won't get the 7.8 update until Xmas? Yet another reason not buying devices from the carriers... Alternatively, anyone who doesn't want to wait for AT&T generously allowing him to update - could just flash his device with a non-AT&T ROM - right?
efektos said:
So, AT&T customers won't get the 7.8 update until Xmas? Yet another reason not buying devices from the carriers... Alternatively, anyone who doesn't want to wait for AT&T generously allowing him to update - could just flash his device with a non-AT&T ROM - right?
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So then I suppose you know when everyone else will be receiving WP7.8. What a surprise if AT&T releases it before everybody. They do carry the flagship device after all.
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bigwavesurfer4 said:
oh yeah, since we all have a pile of money laying around to update our phones every six months. prick.
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Was going to say something in response but have decided instead that, thanks to people like surfer dude here, for me xda no longer serves the purpose for me it once did. It was one of the best sources on the for useful, helpful information for phones and tablets, but has become a source of irritation and frustration with very little useful information. There are far too many people who whine and complain without offering anything useful or meaningful to the community as a whole, to the point there is more griping than anything else. That being said, I am outta here and on to find the quality elsewhere. l8r
when they say in the "coming weeks", anybody have any idea of "how many" weeks does in the "coming weeks" refers to? i'm actually using an unbranded unit, so i'm actually looking forward for this update
jimski said:
So then I suppose you know when everyone else will be receiving WP7.8. What a surprise if AT&T releases it before everybody. They do carry the flagship device after all.
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Honestly I didn't know that there's an official release date for WP7.8, but I presume it'll be available before (or at the same time at most) AT&T releases their branded version of the update...