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"january" update is delayed? MS needs to step it up

on this post http://wmpoweruser.com/two-windows-phone-7-updates-coming-before-mid-year/, it seems that the "january" update is coming out at either late february or march: "Just wanted to let you know that the article regarding "two updates’ for WP7 is incorrect, partially. There will be indeed two updates, but CDMA is coming as part of the first update. This is due out late Feb / Early March. The reason the update is so late is due to the CDMA support."
so it seems that this'll be coming out likely on march. sucks! The longer MS delays this update, the more their platform could potentially suffer.

Till we get an offical word from CDMA providers, it does not mean anything. Thanks for the post but, it's kind of what they have been saying for a few weeks now.
You'll see CDMA phones as well as the Copy and paste on the same day..

DavidinCT said:
Till we get an offical word from CDMA providers, it does not mean anything. Thanks for the post but, it's kind of what they have been saying for a few weeks now.
You'll see CDMA phones as well as the Copy and paste on the same day..
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Don't you mean "official word from MSFT"?
In any case, I'm happy enough to wait for copy and paste or any other functional updates. I'm not too happy about having to continually wait for bugfixes though, they need to start getting these out as and when they're fixed.

I wonder what's so difficult and time-consuming to implement CDMA support on a platform ?

WhyBe said:
I wonder what's so difficult and time-consuming to implement CDMA support on a platform ?
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I have scratched my head raw over that and other things MS is doing...erm...not doing...with WP7. I have the idea they are kind of gun shy. They have the best mobile OS skeleton ever created and are terrified they may screw it up some minor way. So they are tippy-toeing as though walking on eggs with WP7 integration.

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This is a big mistake on the part of MS. Waiting for CDMA???? They have an obligation to their early adopters before supporting CDMA, IMHO. The issues with SD cards on Samsung Focus devices is no trivial issue and waiting 2 months to solve this is unacceptable. They need to get their heads on straight and start presenting a logical and believable issues and features update path to the market. They may be the 300 pound gorilla in the room, but there are a whole bunch of other gorillas who have been in this room for much longer. This is absurd and nonsensical.

OMG WE HAVE TO WAIT A MONTH LONGER FOR SUPPORT ON CDMA (which quite frankly sucks) and copy and paste (which I'm sure very few will use) on our OS that is just as close as any other to perfect? man that sucks, I dont know what I'll do... oh wait, I'll go play some original xbox live titles and use my zunepass while watching netflix all seamlessly. Duh! I understand that the verizon people are upset and whatever but I mean CDMA shouldve been dead long ago anyway...

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OMG WE HAVE TO WAIT A MONTH LONGER FOR SUPPORT ON CDMA (which quite frankly sucks) and copy and paste (which I'm sure very few will use) on our OS that is just as close as any other to perfect? man that sucks, I dont know what I'll do... oh wait, I'll go play some original xbox live titles and use my zunepass while watching netflix all seamlessly. Duh! I understand that the verizon people are upset and whatever but I mean CDMA shouldve been dead long ago anyway...
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I agree with most of that, and I don't think anyone is really saying they suck for taking their time getting CDMA support. Heck, I don't even think most people are that bothered about Cut'n'Paste (or any other added functionality) takes a little longer. What I, and reading comments on other websites - most people - have a problem with is their unwillingness to supply hotfixes as and when they have been patched and tested.
I hate bringing up the camera, yet again, but they touted the dedicated camera button as a killer feature - and for me, it is, I tend to use the camera lots - but having the camera settings revert to sucky mode every time means the whole feature is dead. By the time you've fiddled around in the settings to get a good photo, the moment has passed and that great photo you were gonna take turns into a blurfest of someone's back. Not delivering a fix for this by now is outrageous. Being told there will be no update (and by update I really mean bugfixes) until March is even worse. Being told we have to wait until March when their publically available information first stated January is friggin unforgiveable if you ask me.

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I agree with most of that, and I don't think anyone is really saying they suck for taking their time getting CDMA support. Heck, I don't even think most people are that bothered about Cut'n'Paste (or any other added functionality) takes a little longer. What I, and reading comments on other websites - most people - have a problem with is their unwillingness to supply hotfixes as and when they have been patched and tested.
I hate bringing up the camera, yet again, but they touted the dedicated camera button as a killer feature - and for me, it is, I tend to use the camera lots - but having the camera settings revert to sucky mode every time means the whole feature is dead. By the time you've fiddled around in the settings to get a good photo, the moment has passed and that great photo you were gonna take turns into a blurfest of someone's back. Not delivering a fix for this by now is outrageous. Being told there will be no update (and by update I really mean bugfixes) until March is even worse. Being told we have to wait until March when their publically available information first stated January is friggin unforgiveable if you ask me.
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What I do is set my HD7 aside, for a time in the future when WP7 will be actually real and useful, and grab hold of my Android phone and use all the needed and desired features WP7 doesn't offer and be happy. Pictures are a breeze to take...with anything other than my HD7.

WhyBe said:
I wonder what's so difficult and time-consuming to implement CDMA support on a platform ?
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Drivers for different chipset probably.

Earned
I have been the staunchest defender of WP7 and MS, and I will continue to be but this type of inaction in the face of real issues (I don't give a rats rear end about C&P) makes it very tough. My own feeling is that this tortoiselike approach is going to earn MS few friends in the market. This is not the Windows desktop market. Although I have to say, having auto update set on my Windows XP, I get regular hot fixes sent automatically to my laptop. Shouldn't we expect the same or better in this face paced market?
Look, if some of these issues are allowed to fester for 2 more months, MS has earned all of the negative feedback they have asked for. This is a new OS for goodness sake, you want to put your best foot forward especially in a market served by vendors who have mature or maturing competitive products. If you can't, you want to appear to be as responsive as you can so missing features and real problems become non-issues. In other words, who cares, MS will fix it immediately.
This is unacceptable and anyone looking at this objectively must feel the same.

Agreed
neoxphuse said:
small updates, one every 2 weeks should be sufficient. i've had my for over a month now.
they need to implement faster. sometimes i don't understand. as the previous poster says, really? saving camera settings? come on.
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There is no excuse for this and other issues. AT&T and Samsung sell SDHC cards as accessories for the Samsung Focus. There are serious issues with these cards and several threads in these forums address those. No Flash support is a real issue. Many sites I visit regularly I can no longer view animations, something I could do with WM 6.5.X custom ROMs. Come on now, if the chefs customizing for WM 6.5.x can provide this, why can't MS? I am not going to go on. These are ussues and not missing features. How real is multi-tasking, who knows. How real are the three issues I mentioned above - very real!!! I went to the noaa.gov site to look at animated radar maps, no go. I tried to buy my daughter an ecard from Hallmark and tried to view the cards before buying - no go. This is rediculous. I am waiting for the telltale signs of sdhc card problems to begin popping up as I add more data. What kind of experience is this, MS. You want my vote on this and your sincerity in fixing these issues? I don't think so.

Flash is Adobe product, nothing Microsoft can do to speed up the flash player development from Adobe (which outsourced all its devs to India).

foxbat121 said:
Flash is Adobe product, nothing Microsoft can do to speed up the flash player development from Adobe (which outsourced all its devs to India).
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actually this isn't entirely true. whilst adobe flash is not microsoft's product as stated, it is up to MS on how the implementation is done. and MS has acknowledged that they are working closely with adobe to implement flash into windows phone without breaking it's integrity or hindering performance. hence for the august/september release of it.

MartyLK said:
What I do is set my HD7 aside, for a time in the future when WP7 will be actually real and useful, and grab hold of my Android phone and use all the needed and desired features WP7 doesn't offer and be happy. Pictures are a breeze to take...with anything other than my HD7.
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You do that... and remember to let us know in a few months when you've finished customising and hacking it so you can actually do something useful on it.

This is worrying. Looks like they were really really unready when releasing WP7.
This delay - if true - is really annoying.
Because some things on WP7 are idiotic and should be improved ASAP.
Camera not remembering settings is a joke. But I also think c&p should be here earlier.
But what is also worrying is how late will be the next update? When most of the countries will be supported? What about Bing?
Because all of the rumour I read is c&p. OK we need it.
But in fact looking as a whole, in most countries WP7 is still a cripppled product. I have no native letters in keyboard, no language support, can't buy Marketplace stuff etc.
Basically it is ridiculous. I see nowhere any sign of change.
With all the sympathy I don't imagine waiting a year or more for that, and considering amount of work which has to be done by MS... Looks like a bad JOKE.
I start to think that the first update will be decisive factor.

Call me weird, but I love the fact that camera resets itself to default settings, it's the best way to make quick shots and be sure the result will be more or less decent.
As regards update delay, you never know what's happening. They may have found a bug in their update system or whatever.

Just so you guys know, MS is now promoting the behaviour of the camera not saving settings as a FEATURE, clearly listed in their how-to on pictures; http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/pictures/take-a-picture-or-record-a-video.aspx. So I wouldnt necessarily expect a fix anytime soon.

MartyLK said:
What I do is set my HD7 aside, for a time in the future when WP7 will be actually real and useful, and grab hold of my Android phone and use all the needed and desired features WP7 doesn't offer and be happy. Pictures are a breeze to take...with anything other than my HD7.
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Thanks that was really helpful
Joking aside, I actually like the way all my settings pop back to the defaults each time I take a new round of photos. I use the default settings 99% of the time and get pretty good results. If I set the camera for, I dunno, sepia, for one session, the last thing I want is to then quickly take an important pic later on, only for it to come out bloody sepia again, just because my last shoot was sepia.
The default settings are fine for those quick point-n-shoot moments, the moments where the dedicated camera button really helps capture the shot before its gone.
I for one think Microsoft should leave things as they are.

efjay said:
Just so you guys know, MS is now promoting the behaviour of the camera not saving settings as a FEATURE, clearly listed in their how-to on pictures; http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/pictures/take-a-picture-or-record-a-video.aspx. So I wouldnt necessarily expect a fix anytime soon.
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and Ballmer would use his favorite phrase: " it's not a bug, it's a feature!" xD... like who cares if nobody like it... =P Anyway the default mode is the best for many different conditions but it should have at least "save" option or avutosave and one button "default".

Windows Phone 7 update not due until March 8

here's the source link http://www.neowin.net/news/exclusive-windows-phone-7-update-not-due-until-march-8

nooooooooooooooooooooo.......
i was really waiting for this D:

As long as it's in first quarter I'm happy...

Sad news indeed. But at least it's still coming and as long as there are no major hiccups I'd rather wait for a quality update.
But I have a feeling this last minute change could severely screw up Microsoft's plans for MWC. I was expecting MS to tout how the first update was being pushed out to WP7 owners across the world at that moment and then would proceed to tease the next OS update. Now if they show off the second OS update without even releasing the first OS update, they'll look like a laughing stock and be criticized for being too slow.
This is not good news at all. But at least MWC is almost guaranteeing new hardware so it's not a complete loss.

LOL
Are these the same multiple sources everywhere on the web who were reporting Feb. 7. Tomorrow this will be all over the web & stated as fact just because someone heard it from someone else, who heard it from the janitor who works at a major carrier .
If you keep guessing long enough you are bound to be right, or close to it eventually so who knows it could happen.
Whenever it happens really doesn't matter anymore because MS has failed IMO. There is very little talk about WP7, except the Nokia stuff & how long it's taking MS to get this update out. The Nokia stuff is a big deal only if you believe Nokia can shift a big part of their market share to WP7, & I doubt they can.

phoneguy 4567 said:
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Are these the same multiple sources everywhere on the web who were reporting Feb. 7. Tomorrow this will be all over the web & stated as fact just because someone heard it from someone else, who heard it from the janitor who works at a major carrier .
If you keep guessing long enough you are bound to be right, or close to it eventually so who knows it could happen.
Whenever it happens really doesn't matter anymore because MS has failed IMO. There is very little talk about WP7, except the Nokia stuff & how long it's taking MS to get this update out. The Nokia stuff is a big deal only if you believe Nokia can shift a big part of their market share to WP7, & I doubt they can.
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No, real life sources, actually.

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Whenever it happens really doesn't matter anymore because MS has failed IMO.
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Welp, all your credibility flew out the window there.

i sure will postpone n postpone... microsoft style....

How can it not be considered a fail when you start off with positive press & excitement & a few months later it's replaced by data leak questions & when will the first update be released. On top of that as a Samsung Focus owner I can't use a Micro SD card reliably.
All MS had to do is put out a date like March at the beginning & they could have avoided all of it. Even if they said March & ended up delivering it early they would look good, if they delivered in March they would be seen as delivering the update on time.

Easy. You say an ambiguous date like "Early 2011" so it doesn't matter when you release it but early 2011. Things could happen. They haven't announced it, so when they announce it, then you can "*****" at them for being late, until then, Microsoft said all the correct things. No matter what you think about that.

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How can it not be considered a fail when you start off with positive press & excitement & a few months later it's replaced by data leak questions & when will the first update be released. On top of that as a Samsung Focus owner I can't use a Micro SD card reliably.
All MS had to do is put out a date like March at the beginning & they could have avoided all of it. Even if they said March & ended up delivering it early they would look good, if they delivered in March they would be seen as delivering the update on time.
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Im guessing with their crystal balls and a touch of hindsight they could have given date, but in the real world things like that dont happen, to my knowledge there has not been an official press statement saying Feb 7th, so tell me, how have thhey missed a target that doesnt exist?
could that date have been an internal milestone date? who knows huh!
MS hasnt failed, but if it does its because of comments like this, missinformation, bad bias reporting and bigotry by people that didnt understand what it is or in some cases havent even used it for a length of time

I never said MS gave any date I just used the Feb. 7 date as a example of one post or site saying something, & it spreading all over the net. Then in the end it turns out to be false, & now it starts again with this March date which may or may not happen.

Still wish it coming out before that...

Is anyone really that excited about Copy and Paste? The only thing worth the update is the faster load times... and that's a pretty minor thing. Granted, copy and paste would be nice, but are people actually upset about this because they don't have copy and paste? Just seems like a lot of hoopla for nothing.

Thats really dissapointing! Will wait for the NoDo update and Mango for sure..
Microsoft said that THEY WILL keep our devices up to date utleast 5 times per year..

phoneguy 4567 said:
I never said MS gave any date I just used the Feb. 7 date as a example of one post or site saying something, & it spreading all over the net. Then in the end it turns out to be false, & now it starts again with this March date which may or may not happen.
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Still, saying something as daft as WP7 is a failure is..well, daft.

So you don't mind what the update does as long as you get five of them each year? Better to have it tested properly first, though it is kind of frustrating for them to - hmm - "let us assume" a schedule (with several pointers) and then not stick to it.

thats when HOMEFRONT comes out now my march 8 will be completely awesome

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Still, saying something as daft as WP7 is a failure is..well, daft.
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This thread is about the first update to WP7 coming out in March I never said WP7 is a failure, it's too early to know that. MS failed in its handling of the update IMO so now it won't matter when it's released, it will be seen as a failure. There will be other updates & if MS can add features/fixes in a faster manner then they can recover. You just assumed I meant MS failed with WP7 when I meant they failed with this update.

my two cents about wp7 and nodo update

I've been sitting on the sidelines not being vocal, but I think there's something we need to consider...
When we got our wp7 phones we need what features were lacking. If you didn't you should have done some research before you bought the phone. Wp7 is still in its infancy and expect there to be bugs and problems. If you wanted something more concrete should have stick with your iphone or Android. For what we do have everything seems to run pretty smooth.
Im not going to lie, but I curious about the nodo update. But im glad I haven't received it. Because then our phones will be locked and the homebrew segment and actual limited customization will be gone. Until someone of course finds a work around. And someone always does. And honestly, on your old phones how many of you even knew it had a copy.paste feature? Instead of focusing on nodo update which doesn't really do much, except speed up our phones, why no concentrate more on mango! Mango is the update that we all should want! Just my two cents. Btw i use a HTC hd7 on tmobile USA and its done everything i wanted without any problems!

I think people are focusing on Nodo because it's the 1st update and it will give us an idea about how Microsoft will handle the platform.
If they can't even handle a small update with almost nothing in it, this is worrying for the future. If they need 5 months to release such a small update, when will we get Mango? it's nice to make big promises about Mango but I'm starting to believe Thurrott when he says 2012 when you consider Microsoft's pace. I couldn't care less about Nodo, I don't use C&P that much and it doesn't fix the bugs people really care about like Live Tiles and push notifications not working. It only fixes one bug and that's the marketplace one.
And how long until we stop saying "they've just started, give them time"? After 6 months they should be about to deliver their 2nd update and be talking about the next one. Even if it's in 3 months, at least talk about it! They act like they don't give a sh*t and I'm sure soon people will start trading their phones and go back to Android/iOS.

That's true too. But considering this is their first update we can't assume things will be perfect. Now if the next major update rolls out and there's still issues with updating I for would question Microsoft. But I see your point of view. Perhaps Microsoft was releasing this small update to see how their update system would work? Dunno, but don't give up on Microsoft just yet. Trust me, I miss my android G2, but my wp7 phone hasn't let me done yet. And I was just thinking, do we really need multitasking? That could open up a whole new can of worms.

A can of good worms. Especially in the Modding scene.

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A can of good worms. Especially in the Modding scene.
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I've been the first to defend WP7 and Microsoft all over XDA for months now but with official announcements starting to be pushed back while devices in other countries and even some here are running the update Microsoft is really starting to look bad.

z33dev33l said:
I've been the first to defend WP7 and Microsoft all over XDA for months now but with official announcements starting to be pushed back while devices in other countries and even some here are running the update Microsoft is really starting to look bad.
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Same here. I'm really starting to get worried that it'll be like everyone feared.
Oh well, I really thought they would up their game with this.
Still a great phone, just now I know it won't be supported.

I'm still not quite sure what carriers have to do with updating the phone. The update comes through Zune. C&P can't screw up a network, neither can the marketplace not crashing all the time.
In other words, this update fiasco is purely MS's fault.
Be it that they didn't make a better deal with carriers, they underestimated logistics, they haven't been forthright with customers, it is the fault of MS.
On the other hand. If you bought the phone because some said someone at MS said an update was coming out soon that would add C&P, I can see how you'd be pissed off, but you'd still be silly for buying a phone based on a rumor as opposed to its merits, which are plentiful.
My problem with this whole thing is:
1/. If MS was gonna stay mum and not update us on the delays, they should've STFU all the way until they announced a concrete date for the update.
2/. If MS was gonna talk about updates, they should've kept us posted all the way instead of tidbits here and there.
The way their going about it making it so some can't even recommend WP7 because of this update fiasco. I mean, since when couldn't MS send out bug fixes? I get one almost every week for my PC and that OS is way more complicated than a phone OS.

That's so true. They shouldn't make promises they can't keep. And if they say something and it dont go right atleast keep us in the loop. I also agree its hard to reccomend a phone where the support from Microsoft seems to be very spotty. So my question is, is it still too early to tell the future of wp7? I guess now I can understand why some people are asking about trying to dual boot on our phones. So is it the carriers fault, Microsoft fault, or the OEMs hardware fault we're not getting updates? And since we have to update through Zune, what do the carriers have anything to do with the updates?

I think what is forgotten here is that XDA is a geek forum. Most people do not have a clue about copy and paste. They want to hear music surf the web and take pictures. We easily forget that we are not normal consumers.

hassia said:
I think what is forgotten here is that XDA is a geek forum. Most people do not have a clue about copy and paste. They want to hear music surf the web and take pictures. We easily forget that we are not normal consumers.
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Normal customers want their push notifications to work properly, that should have been fixed within a month and Microsoft haven't even talked about it.

Peew971 said:
Normal customers want their push notifications to work properly, that should have been fixed within a month and Microsoft haven't even talked about it.
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Hear, hear! Allowing a maximum of 15 apps with notifications was a huge oversight on their part, and afaik there are still no plans to fix this.
As for the marketplace bugs, from what I can tell not even all of those are fixed in the No[Can]Do upgrade. Probably because this particular update has been sitting on the MS servers since January waiting for an actual release.

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Hear, hear! Allowing a maximum of 15 apps with notifications was a huge oversight on their part, and afaik there are still no plans to fix this.
As for the marketplace bugs, from what I can tell not even all of those are fixed in the No[Can]Do upgrade. Probably because this particular update has been sitting on the MS servers since January waiting for an actual release.
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The messed up part is that this is an advantage.
While they were ironing out whatever back-alley deals they had to iron out with the carriers, they could've been taking notes on what actual people in the know on forums like these had to ***** about.
They could've then slipped a few of the fixes, swapped a few 1s with 0s in the code, tweaked it around just a bit to make the OS even better.
Instead, we're going to get the update verbatim, the geek world is going to laugh and MS is gonna wonder where it all went wrong for the umpteenth time.

Probably just a reiteration of what others have said, but nonetheless my opinion. Microsoft first said that the NoDo update would be coming early next year so most people assumed January, than they said late February (I think they did), then it was early March, and now its late March. This update merely adds copy + paste (along with a few bugfixes, one of which ISN'T for the camera) and that is a very basic feature! Apple just released iOS 4.3 (which updated the Safari javascript engine and some other stuff) AHEAD of schedule by 2 days and Microsoft keeps pushing back a minor update by weeks.
I'm pissed because I want WP7 to succeed. I used the device and I loved the device, but it's not nearly as good as its competitors as a whole. If Microsoft doesn't figure out what their doing WP7 will fail.

The general rule is you NEVER buy a phone based on what is "coming". You always buy based on what is in the phone when you bought it. I went through the same crap with blackberry, promising an os update to the storm 2 series. When OS6 came out they were like nope, not supporting that handset. Go buy a the touch.
I'm very satisfied with the Samsung Focus I have now, any future updates is just icing on the cake. You'll be sorely disappointed if you buy things based on promises

Sorry I will have to reiterate my post 'normal consumers' want to play music,surf the web play youtube and games most will not use copy and paste that is just a fact. I work in a theater with a varied range of people most do not even know they have copy and paste capabilities.

MIX'11 Official Announcements

Some good stuff coming up but having to wait for Fall is painful. They should have at least one update in the meantime to fix some of the known bugs.
Bummer.
WPCentral Summary of the keynote: http://www.wpcentral.com/wp7-keynote-summarised
Demos from MIX 11 by Channel9: http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Windows-Phone-7/Windows-Phone-7-Announcements--Demos-from-MIX-11-with-Joe-Belfiore
Engadget report with video: http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/13/this-is-windows-phone-next-developers-take-notes-video/
New Chassis unveiled: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011/04/14/new-windows-phone-7-chassis-unveiled-msm7x30-and-msm8x55/

Everything anybody has asked for - both user and developer side - were announced with the exception of voice navigation... I feel a lot of things have still been left unannounced... But wow, Joe's presentation was amazing tbh

Yeah I should put my phone in a box and get it out after Mango. I'm just tired of resetting my phone every few weeks to get my tiles and notifications working.
The future looks bright though.
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Peew971 said:
Yeah I should put my phone in a box and get it out after Mango. I'm just tired of resetting my phone every few weeks to get my tiles and notifications working.
The future looks bright though.
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While I understand the frustration... I think that's a bit extreme. I wouldn't worry about it, I doubt it'll take til Mango for a patch

You wanna take that bet? I say no patch before Mango, that's a sure win.
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I think its good that customers air some sense of urgency as it will keep MS on their feet. In business when your customers constantly nag you about your products or services it serves only to direct you towards improving said products. So if anything customers showing an interest in things being made better is good and even more so when they push for deadlines to be met

Is anyone going to consolidate all the WP7 anouncements from MiX11???
Or can someone post a link so other people can see some of the GREAT stuff thats coming to WP7

I was going to do that but I haven't seen a link with everything yet.

One interesting thing I picked up on Ch9Live was someone asked if Devs will get access to Mango on thier phones before its release.
The answer was that they are committed that registered developers with dev unlocked phones will have access to mango. They havent solved it yet, but are absolutly commited to it.

Peew971 said:
Yeah I should put my phone in a box and get it out after Mango. I'm just tired of resetting my phone every few weeks to get my tiles and notifications working.
The future looks bright though.
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lol @ resetting phone every few weeks

It's hard to consolidate everything because, frankly, that was a lot of info. And, furthermore, there's a lot to come yet - like it was mentioned briefly that there will be new pickers and choosers, but which ones is to be announced later.

Yeah, I think it will be a while before all the relivent info is pulled togather from MiX11.
I for one am quite excited about what snipits i've read so far with what is coming to WP7.
I used to be an android user back in the 1.6 hero day and saw how android has developed into arguable the biggest and best OS in smartphones.
I genuinly believe WP7 has the potential to challenege RiM, Apple, and Android and with all these great noises coming out from MiX 11 maybe just maybe it could dominate the WWWWWWWWORLD......MMMMMMMWAAAHAHAHAHA.....

One interesting point is that the dev tools for Mango are due to be released next month. In the Q&A session afterwards it was mentioned that a Mango build will be made available for developer-unlocked devices to allow testing of apps with the new SDK.

Microsoft is back on the track,these new features are amasing,very exciting about the conference today by joe belfiore

Good info here...
http://www.readwriteweb.com/mobile/2011/04/Mango-new-version-of-Windows-Phone-arriving-this-fall.php

So 6 months from now to update (Fall there is September, right?). If this is right, I'm assuming that the update is about to arrive at October.
The problem with that, is wait for new APIs. I want Whatsapp!
Ah, btw, nothing was mentioned about Windows Live Messenger. That is sad.

whats this live tiles thjing about? My HTC doesnt have this problem, is it specific mobiles?

spliffmonkey187 said:
I think its good that customers air some sense of urgency as it will keep MS on their feet. In business when your customers constantly nag you about your products or services it serves only to direct you towards improving said products. So if anything customers showing an interest in things being made better is good and even more so when they push for deadlines to be met
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Despite universal *****ing about the nodo update ballsup, all MSFT has done is post a page that essentially says "coming soon..." with no mention of when "soon" is. So unless we all cancel our contracts, return our devices and stop buying anything remotely connected to MSFT, I doubt we'll see anything more responsive out of Redmond.
Subtle doesn't work on heads that thick. Upside the head with a crowbar might, if it's King Kong doing it.

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Despite universal *****ing about the nodo update ballsup, all MSFT has done is post a page that essentially says "coming soon..." with no mention of when "soon" is. So unless we all cancel our contracts, return our devices and stop buying anything remotely connected to MSFT, I doubt we'll see anything more responsive out of Redmond.
Subtle doesn't work on heads that thick. Upside the head with a crowbar might, if it's King Kong doing it.
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Hehe crow bar to the head of any one operating inefficiently would be my rememdy as well But joking aside, you do have a point in that the "coming soon" or "TBA" or "TDA" of alot of things to do with WP7 is frustrating. I think the only way consumers can ensure MS stays on track and does release any information is to keep asking "when will feature A or B be released" or "when is patch D going to be pushed out" it may be subtle but negative press that is garnered by constant negative exposure does help companies see where they are doing things wrong and where they can fix things.
WP7 after Mango is released and implemented will mark a milestone in its growth. It will no longer have the excuse "we are the new kid on the block and need time to catch up" no, after Mango they have to focus their efforts on improving communication with operators and oems so updates push out better, faster and efficiently, this Pre-Nodo/NoDo fiasco will not look good in 2012 if say the next batch of update (Guava, Tomato or whatever it will called) encounters nodo problems in a post mango age.
So for now let keep those crow bars under the bed and in a few months if no changes then we can make a field trip down to redmond with crow bars in hand Piaqt

Anyone know what phone he was using for showing the gyro api? Was it the htc pro or hd7? Do our phones have gyro sensors built in?
Btw, loved the presentation , the quantas app was brilliant

In depth Mango preview on Engadget

Engadget's just posted a really nice preview of Windows Phone Mango, you guys should all check it out.
Bad news? Seems like it's still slated for Q4 of this year. Kinda glad I sold my Trophy now - so much for Multitasking in March.
Anyway, good luck!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/27/windows-phone-7-5-mango-in-depth-preview-video/

zukа said:
Engadget's just posted a really nice preview of Windows Phone Mango, you guys should all check it out.
Bad news? Seems like it's still slated for Q4 of this year. Kinda glad I sold my Trophy now - so much for Multitasking in March.
Anyway, good luck!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/27/windows-phone-7-5-mango-in-depth-preview-video/
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q4????
er...q3 I thought since MS RTMs their OSes for OEMs between july and august with consumer reach the following fall...

I'm just going by what the article said, maybe Engadget messed up or maybe the release has been pushed back.

Awesome preview wish this update would drop soon.
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q4????
er...q3 I thought since MS RTMs their OSes for OEMs between july and august with consumer reach the following fall...
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It was always quite clear it will be Q4. Q3 starts in few days.

I don't believe that you people honestly believe it'll be Q-anything do you?
I call mid-2012 at least.
/wp7 fan
//realist

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I don't believe that you people honestly believe it'll be Q-anything do you?
I call mid-2012 at least.
/wp7 fan
//realist
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That's not being a realist. They've already stated this will be released this fall on countless occasions. Nokia has also already stated at least one phone will be released this year as well.
Its coming this year, and I bet they are working overtime to get this out by sept. if possible at least as an update to already circulating hardware.
Mid 2012 at least? That will likely be the newly discovered Tango update. Apollo will follow and likely tie in with Windows 8.

yeah, GREAT preview by engadget...i especially like the part where they say that 3rd party live tile support is finally coming with mango...thanks for the os awareness pals

dtboos said:
That's not being a realist. They've already stated this will be released this fall on countless occasions. Nokia has also already stated at least one phone will be released this year as well.
Its coming this year, and I bet they are working overtime to get this out by sept. if possible at least as an update to already circulating hardware.
Mid 2012 at least? That will likely be the newly discovered Tango update. Apollo will follow and likely tie in with Windows 8.
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I agree. Microsoft seems to be much more aggressive with the way Mango is being hyped this early in the development cycle. I will not be at all surprised to see phones with Mango pre-loaded, on store shelves before the end of September. And, I also expect the majority of carriers to be in a status of "delivering update" by mid-October at the latest.
Of course, I also believe that Samsung Focus users on AT&T will probably not receive the update until mid-2012 (still waiting for 7392 here), so in that sense I guess both extremes of the prediction scale are correct.

After reading and watching a lot of the Mango previews around the web I was surprised when I realized that even after iOS 5 was announced, and even comparing Mango to the current state of Android, that Mango is incredibly relevant and probably will be when launched -- hopefully with new hardware. Usually software announcements this far ahead of time really become dated quickly, but most of the features added really bring a lot of parity to Windows Phone.

RoboDad said:
still waiting for 7392 here
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Why haven't you used one of the workarounds? Worked perfectly fine on my phone. Took all of five minutes.

It was a pretty good review of what's coming and I really look forward to it.
I just hope with 500+ features there is not 500 bugs to go with them....

tiny17 said:
Why haven't you used one of the workarounds? Worked perfectly fine on my phone. Took all of five minutes.
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If it were I in his position, I would respond with: because I shouldn't have to.
Microsoft promised updates, and so far have failed in delivering them in a consistent manner.
Still a huge wp7 fan, don't get me wrong. I don't ever see myself using another platform, but just being honest here.

I agree to a point, but I don't fault Microsoft for this situation. I lay all of the blame right at the feet of AT&T. Their contempt for their customers is astounding. Unfortunately I'm kind of stuck, since I have a grandfathered unlimited data plan, and jumping ship to get the same deal from Verizon before they close the door on their similar plan would incur a sizable ETF.
And, after the Chevron updater near-debacle, I'm a little gun shy of any workarounds that might speed the update process along via unsupported channels. So what's a guy to do?