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APPS on SD?

Any ideas how I could get my apps onto my 4gig sd card.
I have read the tutorial but in my clockwords recovery mode, there is no option to partition.
The reason for the partition is for adding my apps to my SD card.
Currently I have tons of apps and allot of them slow my phone down.
Should this be the case? I was advised that the way android works is, it auto closes apps when the speed starts to slow down?

mobad said:
Any ideas how I could get my apps onto my 4gig sd card.
I have read the tutorial but in my clockwords recovery mode, there is no option to partition.
The reason for the partition is for adding my apps to my SD card.
Currently I have tons of apps and allot of them slow my phone down.
Should this be the case? I was advised that the way android works is, it auto closes apps when the speed starts to slow down?
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the linux kernal will close apps when it needs to but that has very little to do with where the apps actually reside.
you need to partition your card with rom manager from the market in order to enable apps2sd( not the crappy froyo apps2sd mind)
copy the contents of your card at the moment to your pc. downlaod rom manager from the market, use it to partition your card with 512mb and 32mb swap. then dowload modinstalllocation from the market, this will allow you to chose where you save your apps too. choose 1 internal( ie the 512mb ext 3 partition for apps2sd you made with rom manager). copy all your content back to your sd card. all your apps should now be in your ext3 partition. if you really want to move apps to the actual sd card main partition, choose location 2 phone with modinstallocation but beware that whenever you mount the sd card those apps wont work till its remounted( its wise not to put widgets on the sd card). to check all this info and make sure apps2sd is working correctly you can downlaod quick settings info from the market and it will give you all the info you need on internal and apps2sd storage on your phone.

Many thanks for your reply.
I have just done as you said and then downlaoded aroudn 4 apps equalling around 20mb.
They seem to be on the sd card and internal.
The size of external has gone down by around 15mb and around 5-10mb has goen down on the internal as well?

mobad said:
Many thanks for your reply.
I have just done as you said and then downlaoded aroudn 4 apps equalling around 20mb.
They seem to be on the sd card and internal.
The size of external has gone down by around 15mb and around 5-10mb has goen down on the internal as well?
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That is correct. If you are using legacy Apps2SD or Froyo Apps2SD, the Dalvik cache (see here) remains on the internal phone memory.
So, when you install a new application onto SD card, it will consume memory on internal phone memory, though at a lesser rate than if the app was installed on phone memory (in my experience, roughly half the rate).
The only way to "resolve" this is to install legacy Apps2SD+, which also moves the Dalvik cache to SD card.
Personally, I don't do this - what I do is actively manage my applications using Titanium backup. For example, I seldom use certain large apps such as Google Earth, and some games, but I do want to keep them available. So I install them on the phone, and then back them up using Titanium Backup. When storage is low, I will remove them from the phone, but I can bring them back quickly (and without using data) as required.
I don't use legacy Apps2SD+ because I do have several SD cards that I want to be able to swap between quickly.
Regards,
Dave

Dave - many thanks for your comprehensive and useful reply.
What would be the limitation for using Apps2SD+?
From your reply im assuming it would stop me from chaing sd cards?

Essentially yes - you'd need to keep the EXT partition across SD cards in sync, which while not impossible, is more difficult than just copying .android_secure folder from one card to another which I believe should work ok so long as being used in the same phone.
Regards,
Dave

Excellent.
I think im ready to set it all up.
Got two not technical final question for you -
Which rom would you recommend?
I'm currentl with Frost 2.9a however I found Modaco's custom rom to be mroe fruitful with apps/stability.
Which 16gb/32gb sd card would you recommend?
Thanks

mobad said:
Which 16gb/32gb sd card would you recommend?
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I regularly use two 16gb Class 2 Sandisk cards and a 8gb Class 6 Transcend card. To be honest, I've no performance issues with either and my Sandisk cards regular exceed Class 6 minimums. Personally, I see no point paying extra for a large capacity Class 6 or Class 10 card - I may try 720p recording on my Class 6 soon though to see if it improves the framerate, but I doubt there will be much if any difference.
Regards,
Dave

[Q] APPS2SD on Fresh 3.2.0.0 (Froyo)

I've done a search on the forums here, and haven't been able to come to a solid answer on this... I went completely App crazy and ended up almost filling my Evo's internal Storage. I used sdmove to move whatever apps supported move to SD over to the SD card. Now I have about 68mb of storage left, but I feel like that too will run out quickly.
Will APPS2SD allow me to move apps that don't nativly support Froyo's Move to SD over to the SD card? Would it have any ill effects on the phone?
If it's safe to set up, how would I go about setting APPS2SD up? Do I just partition the card with an ext partition via RA recovery?

DeMiNe0 said:
I've done a search on the forums here, and haven't been able to come to a solid answer on this... I went completely App crazy and ended up almost filling my Evo's internal Storage. I used sdmove to move whatever apps supported move to SD over to the SD card. Now I have about 68mb of storage left, but I feel like that too will run out quickly.
Will APPS2SD allow me to move apps that don't nativly support Froyo's Move to SD over to the SD card? Would it have any ill effects on the phone?
If it's safe to set up, how would I go about setting APPS2SD up? Do I just partition the card with an ext partition via RA recovery?
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that is correct. after you partition your sd card go into terminal emulator and type a2sd check. It will tell you if it is working. Next type a2sd help. That will show you all the commands and descriptions
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Also you can move the davlink cache too the sd card and that frees up a lot of space too.
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stangdriverdoug said:
Also you can move the davlink cache too the sd card and that frees up a lot of space too.
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How does one go about doing that?

DeMiNe0 said:
How does one go about doing that?
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Type "a2sd help". This will give u a list of all commands that apps2d has to offer. Type "a2sd cachesd" to move David to your SD partition.
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OK, so I enabled ap2sd, and moved the cache over to SD. WOW, that gave alot of space. Before I moved the cache, I also noticed that my space boosted up to over 200mb. Does this mean all my apps were allready moved over to the SDCard? If so, does that also mean that all my apps will be installed to the SDcard from now on?
I just wanna make sure that I don't manually need to move them, and If I do, I need to figure out how I do that. ap2sd help didn't tell me how to manually move apps, so I am assuming its all done automatically now.

DeMiNe0 said:
OK, so I enabled ap2sd, and moved the cache over to SD. WOW, that gave alot of space. Before I moved the cache, I also noticed that my space boosted up to over 200mb. Does this mean all my apps were allready moved over to the SDCard? If so, does that also mean that all my apps will be installed to the SDcard from now on?
I just wanna make sure that I don't manually need to move them, and If I do, I need to figure out how I do that. ap2sd help didn't tell me how to manually move apps, so I am assuming its all done automatically now.
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Bumping this thread. I'd like to know that answer to your question as well.

The apps are moved automatically....also there are commands that will move the apps from the sd card to int. Memory And back If you choose. And finally you can type in a2sd diskspace and and it will tell you the amount of space being used in the partition.
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[Q] Memory Storage issues and SD card Install

Hi
My phone recently received the O2 Froyo update and i have been enjoying it thoroughly. i have installed countless apps on it and as expected i started facing storage issues. I was surprised because i thought now all apps would be installed on SD card. Went in to Manage Apps section and all apps were installed on device RAM taking up any where between 10Kb to 8 Mb per each App.
Also found the transfer to SD card option. Decided to shift all apps to SDCard through this option. This did not solve my problem and its still showing the "phone storage is low alert".
What i noticed was an app that was taking up 8+mb on phone memory before transfer to SD card, only showed 200-300Kb size on SD card... Does this mean that the app is still on phone memory? should i wipe phone/SD card and install everything manually via PC?
Please help, i would like to hold on to the apps that i have on the phone.
Thanks.

Taimur said:
Hi
My phone recently received the O2 Froyo update and i have been enjoying it thoroughly. i have installed countless apps on it and as expected i started facing storage issues. I was surprised because i thought now all apps would be installed on SD card. Went in to Manage Apps section and all apps were installed on device RAM taking up any where between 10Kb to 8 Mb per each App.
Also found the transfer to SD card option. Decided to shift all apps to SDCard through this option. This did not solve my problem and its still showing the "phone storage is low alert".
What i noticed was an app that was taking up 8+mb on phone memory before transfer to SD card, only showed 200-300Kb size on SD card... Does this mean that the app is still on phone memory? should i wipe phone/SD card and install everything manually via PC?
Please help, i would like to hold on to the apps that i have on the phone.
Thanks.
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when using the move to sd function on froyo, its only the apps .apk that is stored on the sd card... all the app data is still stored in the /data/data/ directory in the devices internal storage

AndroHero said:
when using the move to sd function on froyo, its only the apps .apk that is stored on the sd card... all the app data is still stored in the /data/data/ directory in the devices internal storage
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So what is the solution?

There is no solution, you could root and flash a rom with apps2sd+
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AndroHero said:
There is no solution, you could root and flash a rom with apps2sd+
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And you won't gain much more with that than with, for example, ModInstalllocation. I read that one guy reported that with app2sd+ only about 140 MB (of installed apps) went to sd card, while internal memory had been decreased by 120 MB. That's comparable with my results using stock Froyo a2sd + ModInstallLocation.

try deleting app's cache, click each app and delete the cache and then reboot phone.

You will only gain the space reclaimed by moving the dalvik cache to the ext partition.
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So it will not help if i wipe/format and fresh install Apps from the PC? When i googled this some of the results showed i should be installing from PC for proper installation over SD card.

i havent found a solution yet

So any solution to storage issues? Such a shame to have a half empty 16Gb mSD Card installed and be running out of app space...

only solution Ive found is to buy a newer device with more storage space lol. Shame as I really like the Desire.

What will happen if memory gets low, will the phone slow down?

[Q] apps to sd how and why?

I have a question how do I install apps to SD card?
Why should I do it and what apps?

Are you rooted? I'm pretty sure that you can only move apps to the SD card if your rooted. And it's called Apps2Ext or something like that, you can only use it if your rooted(from what I know atleast.)

Easy.
There is an app in the market called "App 2 sd",this app automatically selects the apps that you can move from the phone over to your sd card. As for why you would want to do this well, for one thing and mainly by doing so you free up valuable space on the phone it self.Do your self a favor & pick up @least a 16gb sd card it makes life a whole lot easier. Hope this helps.

Utorrent76 said:
There is an app in the market called "App 2 sd",this app automatically selects the apps that you can move from the phone over to your sd card. As for why you would want to do this well, for one thing and mainly by doing so you free up valuable space on the phone it self.Do your self a favor & pick up @least a 16gb sd card it makes life a whole lot easier. Hope this helps.
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I was going to say that but isn't that just for rooted phones? Or is Apps2Ext only for rooted phones?

Your G2 has Froyo, which allows apps to sd without being rooted. If the app developer allows it, you can move the apps you choose to the fat32 partition of your sd card.
All you have to do is go to settings>>>applications>>>manage applications>>>click on the app of your choosing, then you will get the option to "Move to SD card"
Once you click on that, it will automatically be moved to the SD card. To confirm, in the manage applications page, you will see "On SD card" on the top right corner. Click on it, and you will see which apps have been moved.
Apps to SD is used basically just to save space. On older phones, like the G1, you could only install about 30 apps before the phone memory started to get full. They made apps2ext to fix this low memory problem once you had a rooted phone. Froyo fixes the need to even root the phone to get apps on the sd card.
Honestly, the G2 has plenty of space for me that I do not need apps to sd. I really only see the need for anyone to utilize this on the vision phones if you plan on having hundreds of apps installed.
Hope this helped.

it is helps a lot thank you. I thought the reason to tho apps to memory card list to make phone run faster

It actually runs slower to have the apps on the sd card. That was the one downfall of apps2ext on the G1, especially when you ran sense roms because a lot of things were run on the ext parition and were dependent on running from the sd card for it to work.
It is better to run them all on the phone memory, if at all possible, IMHO.
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tazz9690 said:
Your G2 has Froyo, which allows apps to sd without being rooted. If the app developer allows it, you can move the apps you choose to the fat32 partition of your sd card.
All you have to do is go to settings>>>applications>>>manage applications>>>click on the app of your choosing, then you will get the option to "Move to SD card"
Once you click on that, it will automatically be moved to the SD card. To confirm, in the manage applications page, you will see "On SD card" on the top right corner. Click on it, and you will see which apps have been moved.
Apps to SD is used basically just to save space. On older phones, like the G1, you could only install about 30 apps before the phone memory started to get full. They made apps2ext to fix this low memory problem once you had a rooted phone. Froyo fixes the need to even root the phone to get apps on the sd card.
Honestly, the G2 has plenty of space for me that I do not need apps to sd. I really only see the need for anyone to utilize this on the vision phones if you plan on having hundreds of apps installed.
Hope this helped.
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This is a BS version of A2SD. /.android-secure won't let you back your apps up the way /system/sd/app and /system/sd/app-private will, and the apps on the FAT32 partition won't start up on boot.
I hope the real A2SD is incorporated on Gingerbread builds.

Installing on sd?

I have made some trick with adb but it doesn't work or partially anyway. It installed one app I think on the sd and all other normally on phone memory. I have 2.2 normal android, not rooted or anything. How can I install apps on sd card without rooting my phone? I will root it eventually just don't have time for it these days.

Go Settings > Applications > pick an app > click move to SD
The app will only move to SD card if it can. Not all apps can but most of them.

Meaple said:
Go Settings > Applications > pick an app > click move to SD
The app will only move to SD card if it can. Not all apps can but most of them.
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I did that but it limits quite a lot

LaMpiR said:
I did that but it limits quite a lot
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Have a think about rooting your phone and installing custom rom if you haven't already. I use starburst rom data2sd I have 1.7GB install memory

Тhan is needed and ext3/4 partition on memory card.

ivantodorov said:
Тhan is needed and ext3/4 partition on memory card.
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Will probably do that in a week or two. Is this option available, I mean to install directly on sd card, on android 2.3?

LaMpiR said:
Will probably do that in a week or two. Is this option available, I mean to install directly on sd card, on android 2.3?
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Think its the same as now, the problem with app2sd is say you have a 20mb App and move it to SD card say 16mb was moved to SD the other 4mb will still be on phone memory. Soon enough you'll still fill it quite quick, Using data2sd it puts everythink onto the SD card and you set how big you want your internal memory MAX size 2gb.
I have 76 apps and still over 1.2gb space to install apps read more into doing this you will also need a SD card class over 2. Am using a 16gb class 4 from play.com cost me £15 great buy Pny is the manufacture.

I love A2sd+ nothing else to use!

Rem-X said:
I love A2sd+ nothing else to use!
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App2sd+ is just the same has stock app2sd, apps still store on phones internal.
App2sd is just pure win