Question About unrEVOked Forever and the S Protection on/off....
Is there any reason to actually use it? My phones fully rooted, NAND is unlocked etc so do I really need it? I mean I know I can do everything I need to do now but what was the purpose of turning S Protect on and off? I read the thread, I saw what it said about being able to flash official updates but then still being able to go back to rooted ones but WHY is this important?
I'm just trying to understand WHY I may or may not want to do this and what ill affects it might have down the road.
Unrevoked currently permanently unlocks/roots the phone. While it is conceivable that Sprint/HTC might patch this exploit in the future, the prevailing sentiment is that they won't because it would break the legitimate Evo engineering phones.
What it does is unlock the phone at a level below the radio and normal hboot/rom process. So, if you take an OTA update in the future, you may lose root on that new rom, but you will still be unlocked and so can reinstall the custom recovery and root.
This currently is a permanent unlock with no known way to relock it and no promise/guarantee that it will ever be reversible. So, you have permanently voided your warranty for the ability to hopefully never lose root in the future.
-frank
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So what your saying is... If I ever need to file an insurance claim on my phone, it's best that it falls into a lake.
Here is another question then.
Can Sprint/HTC force an OTA on you that would kill the current root? If not then there really isn't any reason to use unrEVOked right now for me, I know not to take official OTA's. I know it would have been handy for some people, the ones who took the official OTA 2.2 like idiots because they couldn't wait. Look what being impatient got them! I knew when it dropped it was bad news. Hell, I'm still on Fresh Rom 1.0.1 (Eclair 2.1, if it isn't broken, don't fix it. You know what I mean?
Well, I DID try a couple rooted 2.2 ROMS but I knew to wait is what I was saying. Being in a rush can come back to bit you in the ass sometimes, like it did for some many. Guess my only concern is forced updating by Sprint. Never heard of such a thing but you never know. If that was even a remote possibility, turning the protection lock off could be a good thing I guess.
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Hey all
Still trying to absorb all the info around here. My contract is up with ATT at the end of August and I'll be getting an EVO then. However, by that time all the EVOs sold will most likely be coming stock with Froyo. I'm really looking forward to rooting/flashing, so I'm a little worried stock Froyo isn't rootable if you haven't rooted/unencrypted the NAND before you upgraded. Is this [currently] the case?
-Caanon
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Hey all
Still trying to absorb all the info around here. My contract is up with ATT at the end of August and I'll be getting an EVO then. However, by that time all the EVOs sold will most likely be coming stock with Froyo. I'm really looking forward to rooting/flashing, so I'm a little worried stock Froyo isn't rootable if you haven't rooted/unencrypted the NAND before you upgraded. Is this [currently] the case?
-Caanon
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As of now, stock Froyo is NOT rootable. Fear not though Caanon. A dev will root it. It's inevitable. I've noticed the devs around here love challenges.
You are basically stuck until a dev finds a new root method to get 2.2 rooted. Give it time i am sure a dev will
EDIT: See above!
Perfect, exactly what I was expecting. Thanks!
+1, hope it wont wait for too long.
It's also safe to assume that the phone will NOT be leaving the store with 2.2 already by the end of the month. You should be able to use the current methods (I prefer simple root) to root your phone.
It's even SAFER to assume that the latest OTA will have a root method by the end of the month, so even if it does, you won't have to worry about it.
In short:
Don't worry about it. If you get the phone at the end of the month, you'll have no problem rooting.
Hi, well over the past week I have noticed a bump or some sort of spot on the bottom of my evo. I have root and all that good stuff but it is really annoying and I want to take it to the store.
Does anyone one know what is the best way to take the phone back?
I mean I know I have to flash the ruu but I don't want the Sprint people to update the phone to 2.2 since I want root.
Thanks
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There are plenty of threads detailing how to unroot and go back to stock. Find them.
As for keeping 2.1, if you have to exchange your phone you're going to be waiting for the luck of the draw. Some stores have older phones in stock with 2.1, but new ones are shipping with 2.2, so the longer you wait the worse your chances of finding a new 2.1. If they are able to service it, just tell them not to update the phone as you're concerned that the new update is not stable and you have seen several reports of decreased performance. They can't FORCE you to take it. Just make it clear when you hand the phone over, maybe even get them to sign a note.
There's sure to be a 2.2 rooting method soon enough, though, so you won't be out in the cold forever. Or, failing that, a way to root Gingerbread. . . .
Yes don't worry they will release root for 2.2 very soon
Hello everyone I have been surfing these forums for some time and finally want to root but I have some questions and have searched so please I will just take a minute of your time.
First I have a stock evo with all the current up dates. I want to root by unrevoked3 and maybe do the forever part also, but the outer cover part on my camera is cracked and my camera doesn't look good anymore and I am also getting a good amount of dust under my screen so I am thinking about gettin my evo replaced.
So here are my questions.
Would I be able to get my evo replaced with out going through insurance because my screen has dust under it, but since my camera is cracked I feel like they would say it is damaged and make me pay.
Would I be able to unroot my phone so I can get it replaced even if I do the forever part. I feel like the answer is yes but I haven't been able to find a 100% clear answer.
And finally I want the hulu app on my phone but I am not 100% sure I need to forever my phone for that app.
Thank you all for your time.
Unrevoked forever is included in unrevoked 3.21. With that said yes you can unroot you will just need to flash the s-on tool from the unrevoked web site prior to unrooting. Now as far as unrooting im not sure if there are any changes to the unroot process since you have the 3.29 ota update. I know for sure it can be unrooted but unfortunatly the pc36img zip that dj re3z posted if for 3.26.
Edit: from what I have read over at android central on the unroot sticky there is a link to grag the latest pc36img that should work with the ota.
I thank you for your reply but I am a little confused on what you are talkig about.
I know that you can unroot from stuff that is provided on unrevoked's website and now I realise my question wasn't very clear but I mean that if I root my phone it breaks the warranty but if I unroot it is there a way sprint can tell that it was rooted and tell me I don't have a warranty and have to pay. Incase I ever want to get a warranty replacement. (If I even can regarding my first question)
To answer your question yes if you unroot Sprint will have no idea you were rooted prior. But what I was trying to let you know is that from what I've read the new ota (3.29) can not be unrooted as of yet that I know of.
From what u r describing i can almost garantee u they will refuse to replace it for free. I sugguest u avoid all that nonsense and just report the phone lost and pay the 100 to have it replace.
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okay now I under stand thank you. Now I will not be rooting, I did not know you couldn't unroot the newest ota.
@ eusthebest
I have been out of town for a while now but am heading back soon and once I do k will go to the sprint store up there cause here is a very helpful guy that works there and I will try and talk him into replacing my evo if he wont then I'll do what you said.
Thanks guys
I really wouldnt bother going in there, if they see the damage and think you did it they will note it in the system. This will look very funny to them when a day or two from now you call and say you "lost" the phone. Just my 2 cents
Hey everyone.
So I have finally decided that the dust being under my evo's screen has gotten annoying enough to where i want to get it cleaned. Problem is that i'm rooted. My question here today is that will flashing a barebones stock rooted sense rom and removing the superuser app be enough to get by the sprint repair techs? I really don't want to have to unroot and then turn s-on.
Link to barebones rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=874251&highlight=stock+rooted
Any input?
Nobody can really say if it's enough or not. It's a gamble. I used a ruu for mine and put everything back to stock. I also removed my sd card because I had read about someone taking their phone in and the tech saw on the card there was root related stuff on there. The guy must have did something or the tech was an ass because he said they refused to fix it and flagged his account that it's a rooted phone.
If you can run the autoroot method, then it's not difficult to do. The script does all the dirty work for you.
If you were too lazy to put everything back to stock and they found out, you would be kicking yourself in the ass for not being more thorough. I'm not trying to be a **** or insult you. I'm saying better being safe than sorry.
If the tech discovers tampering, and they are a ****, then it's all over for your hopes to get it fixed man. Good luck
Here is where I got the one I used before taking it in. I got version 3.70 at the bottom.
http://www.shipped-roms.com/index.php?category=android&model=Supersonic
Agreed
I agree with the hammer. It isn't that hard to unroot your phone at all, it should only take 15 minutes or so. I have heard of some Sprint tech's being cool, and working on a phone regardless of whether it was rooted or not. I have also read of people being given a hard time, and even having their account red flagged. There is no way of knowing if you will get a cool tech, that won't care, or a guy that takes his job too seriously and plays by allt he rules. Due to it being such an unpredictable outcome, I would recommend just unrooting before going in. If you rooted with unrevoked, flash their S-on tool in recovery, then RUU back to stock, or run a PC36IMG of a stock rom through the bootloader. If you never ran unrevoked or unrevoked forever, I don't think you need to flash the S-on tool, just running the RUU should turn your S-on. Once it's all fixed up, use one of the many root methods available, and it'll be like a clean start!
I appreciate both responses and am just gonna run with the unreveoked s on since that's how I rooted. My nands should still be good though correct?
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I appreciate both responses and am just gonna run with the unreveoked s on since that's how I rooted. My nands should still be good though correct?
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As long as you end up with the same phone (which you surely will). You just don't really want to interchange nandroid backups between different phones, as you run the risk of over writing your RSA keys. If you do, you need to remove the wimax.img from the nandroid backup before running it. And one more thing. Not to be paranoid, but I've seen someone get screwed from it...you should remove anything from your sd card that is related to rooting, flashing, etc. I've seen a guy report of getting his account redflagged and service was refused, because the tech found ROMS, kernels, mods, and other stuff on the sd card. That was supposedly enough evidence of rooting to red flag the account. Surely that is unlikely, but you never know. So it may not hurt to copy your sd card to your computer, then format the card before bringing it in. Or just taking the sd card out all together before you bring it in. Take it for what its worth, and good luck on getting your screen fixed!
I gave the advice that probably 99.9% will get you to where you need to be to safely get it fixed or replaced. It is up to you if you do or do not want to take a chance with a modded phone.
Hello,
I used to be a Service an Repair Area Manager. In the MI area.
I personaly did not care if the phone was rooted or not, being the screen is just dirty I personaly would have never even looked at software.
If Your really worried about your sprint tech's looking into things its also not hard to just take the digitiser off and clean it yourself, let me know if you want to know how to get it done.
jxr94 said:
Hey everyone.
So I have finally decided that the dust being under my evo's screen has gotten annoying enough to where i want to get it cleaned. Problem is that i'm rooted. My question here today is that will flashing a barebones stock rooted sense rom and removing the superuser app be enough to get by the sprint repair techs? I really don't want to have to unroot and then turn s-on.
Link to barebones rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=874251&highlight=stock+rooted
Any input?
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Isn't this the millionth thread about should I take a rooted phone in?
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Non-software related issues do not warrant checking software. If you bring a rooted device into my store for hardware issues, I probably won't even check it. And if I do notice, it's not a problem since hardware != software.
Now if you come into my store complaining that your device is freezing, camera isn't working, etc and you're a jerk when I say it could be the root or ROM, then I'll flag your account.
All in all, if you're having software problems on a root device, don't take it to Sprint. Hardware is still a go.
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Non-software related issues do not warrant checking software. If you bring a rooted device into my store for hardware issues, I probably won't even check it. And if I do notice, it's not a problem since hardware != software.
Now if you come into my store complaining that your device is freezing, camera isn't working, etc and you're a jerk when I say it could be the root or ROM, then I'll flag your account.
All in all, if you're having software problems on a root device, don't take it to Sprint. Hardware is still a go.
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That is the same thing i would do, The worst thing is to have someone come in beeing a "Jerk" then yes I would flag the account. Never payes to be a "Jerk"
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Isn't this the millionth thread about should I take a rooted phone in?
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Do I win a prize?
Hahaha! Not this time. But nice try. Hopefully u understand that it is a gamble and there is no real answer. It just depends on the tech and the actual store. My lcd was replaced and I was worried because I couldn't unroot mine without a display. Turned out they fixed it no questions asked. I got lucky. Some people don't. It is either rooted or not no matter how far u customize. And they either care or don't.
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I've had my phone for roughly 15 months. It has been my first foray into Android and I absolutely it. What I don't like is TouchWiz. It makes the phone a hassle to use because of how slow it runs. I've heard rooting makes a phone faster but I've always been hesitant to root it because of how it voids your warranty. However, since I'm eligible for an upgrade come February so I figure I should root my phone to experience rooting. I don't want to do it if it prevents me from getting a new phone.
Can anyone help me out here?
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I've had my phone for roughly 15 months. It has been my first foray into Android and I absolutely it. What I don't like is TouchWiz. It makes the phone a hassle to use because of how slow it runs. I've heard rooting makes a phone faster but I've always been hesitant to root it because of how it voids your warranty. However, since I'm eligible for an upgrade come February so I figure I should root my phone to experience rooting. I don't want to do it if it prevents me from getting a new phone.
Can anyone help me out here?
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you can always unroot your phone and im pretty sure that if you are eligable for an upgrade that they arent going to search your phone, more than likely is they send straight to factory and just flash it and send your phone to people who broke theirs lol
just saying from what i heard of, but you can root your phone and unroot if you want to experience how it is to have a rooted device, my phones een rooted for about year and a little more than half, soft bricked so many times but thats the fun part
flashing gets pretty addicting lol, im like a flashaholic
but trust me you'll enjoy it
Don't phone carriers have a way of knowing if you've rooted your phone in the past? The last thing I want to happen is to be told that I have to pay full price for a new phone after having it for like a week.
Straight from t-mobile website:
"As long as the phone you're trading in powers on, is not cracked, and has no water damage, you only have to pay a down payment for the next phone when you’re ready to upgrade."
At the same time it also mentions this:
"Once the used phone is received at the Trade-in Center, it will be tested and inspected. All personal data and corporate IT policies will be removed."
I would recommend reverting to stock first.
Thank you very much.
With this info in mind, I plan on rooting my device using Cyanogenmod. Can anyone confirm if triangle away works with the T-Mobile SII? How would I return to stock?
I've upgraded a few phones that were rooted and had different Roms I just flashed to stock and didn't even unroot they didn't check but might wanna just in case lol plus custom recovery is kinda a give away lol
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I've heard that if they find it rooted, even if it is a big IF, they are able to void the warranty. Don't think anything it matters for an upgrade though. Either way, they probably won't check it, and even if they do, I don't think they will do anything about it. You can always go back to stock to be safe.
I heard for the Note 3 they are adding a detection hardware that cannot be undone once rooted, even if you go back to stock. These kinds of things are made for people who like to find ways around them though, and these people usually win.
So, does TriangleAway work with the Samsung Galaxy S2? (I have the SGHT989D unlocked and rooted)?