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Ok mods, I know this normally isn't the place, but I think this is very important as I'm seeing more and more semi bricks, some of which are not recoverable without HTC signing keys!
So I ask you mods, please don't lock this, if anything it really needs to be a sticky!
That being said, if you are s-off, do NOT flash the signed offical PC10IMG.zip. if you don't have the correct rom on there when you do, as per the unroot thread you will get stuck.
Let me give u an example of what I've been seeing and why its happening so everyone understands. Example: you perm root/s-off your phone. You decide to do some rom playing. You end up boot looping and can't fully boot into android. So u say hey, ill reload pc10 and start over, WRONG.
What happens is s-off does no checks, sigs, version number etc. So when you load it up it starts to flash. Hboot(s-on) is first, then recovery, then radio. Thing is it has to reboot to do radio, so it reboots, at this point your s-on so it does a version check. "Main is older" then it quits before ever touching the system.img or boot.img. at this point you are locked. You have s-on, stock recovery, and can't boot android. Long story short, your screwed.
Now depending on the rom/kernel u had/have installed you may have adb access. At this point you have a small chance of recovering, which is better then some. I just spent the last 5 hours working with someone on a fix and think we got it, but the bat has died and will have to pick back up tomo. If this works or not, I also have one more idea we can try. I will update OP with any fixes we find.
*If your system was bootable when you started this, it may still boot. but you will be s-on, stock recovery, and still on whatever rom you were running. at this point you will have to hex edit to downgrade, or wpthis.ko if there is one for your kernel to get back to s-off.
*ive seen some people saying. i did it, it worked for me, but don't add any supporting info. this is bad for people new to android cause it makes them feel they will be ok. the only way this can work is if you have a version installed as old or older then the official img, or if you take hboot out of the update which then makes it no longer the official update. but my question is why are you flashing this? if you want to fully unroot, then follow the unroot guide. if you just want to go back to stock w/root, grab one of the stock w/root roms.
Long story short, do your rom flashing from recovery. Stay out of hboot unless you are following proven instructions to a T, or being walked though be a "pro". I hope this helps save some people!
* if you just read all this going DAMN, i already did that, then go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=842495
Sticky this. In big bolt capital letters. I've seen this happen once already, and just saved another phone from this headache.
More people need to know about the DON'T-FLASH-PC10IMG.ZIP
dyndragon said:
Sticky this. In big bolt capital letters. I've seen this happen once already, and just saved another phone from this headache.
More people need to know about the DON'T-FLASH-PC10IMG.ZIP
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When u say u saved a phone. Do u mean u stopped someone before they did it, or you mean u have a working fix. Pls post fix if u have one. I will post mine as soon as I confirm it.
Btw- I have seen 5 happen in the last 3 days. As I haven't gave up on any yet, some are worse off then others and only 2 have a possible fix in the am, well a fix I know of.
After I permarooted, I decide to flash a Z ROM. I did, and I didn't care for Sense, so I flashed PC10 and didn't have any issues. Mind you, I didn't flash the OTA at that point either. Phone booted up without an issue, I got the OTA almost immediately, and I permarooted again.
Basically, if you applied the OTA, don't flash PC10 to get stock again.
So does that mean the instructions for how to Un-Root are no good?
KronicAnarchy said:
So does that mean the instructions for how to Un-Root are no good?
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I unrooted my phone, no problems.
No the instructions to unroot are correct because at the beginning you flash an alternate misc.img to change the main version number. I got stuck the other day because my phone wouldnt boot and i couldn't flash the ota because i had removed google goggles and some other system apps so i tried to downgrade using PC10IMG.zip and it cancelled during installation just as stated in the op and i was somehow able to flash the misc.img through fastboot and reflash with PC10IMG.zip
sethrd said:
After I permarooted, I decide to flash a Z ROM. I did, and I didn't care for Sense, so I flashed PC10 and didn't have any issues. Mind you, I didn't flash the OTA at that point either. Phone booted up without an issue, I got the OTA almost immediately, and I permarooted again.
Basically, if you applied the OTA, don't flash PC10 to get stock again.
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If you did not flash the stock rom before you flashed the pc10, you got lucky. When it reboots half way though, it does a version check, and the rom version you happened to be running must have been an older base. If your phone is bootable and you flash the pc10 OUT OF ORDER it will lock you down that way, ie locked on sense. If anyone wants to go back to stock, just flash one of the stock w/root roms in recovery or via rom manager... trust me on this, there are more people screwing up there phone because of this then anything, just not posting about it. I've been up all hours of the night, helping differnt people the last few days.
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So does that mean the instructions for how to Un-Root are no good?
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No the unroot guide is ok. If you notice, the first thing it has you flash is the stock w/root rom. Like I said if you follow proven instructions to a T, you will be ok. That is if you want to go back to non-root only though. If you just want stock with root, flash a stock with root rom via RECOVERY or ROM MANAGER.
Im not to sure how it all works and i just got up a little bit ago .
but since s-off doesnt check the sign couldnt we unpack and repack pc10img with the hboot with s-off?
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Like I said if you follow proven instructions to a T, you will be ok.
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Well he's edited his post now, and people have followed his instuctions and bricked their phones.
So just to confirm before I brick mine: The instructions in their current form will not brick my phone, right?
I had s-off when running baconbits. I tried to revert back to stock but couldn't. I then flashed pauls prerooted phone rom and tried to install the stock rom back onto the phone. I seems to have removed the s-off and now displays s-on. I am permanently rooted, but fastboot still shows s-on. Was this caused because I tried to flash the pc10img.zip? Now how do i revert back to stock? I don't have a nandroid backup for the stock rom, just paul's which after a recovery still displays s-on. It doesn't loop, I just can't install anything else on there.
I flashed pc10 and it turned S-ON. But when I booted it up I still had root acess, so it was like a temp root but where I could not write to the system. I took the ko file from the perm root and hex edited it to match the kernal on my phone.. boom rooted again and I was able to flash recovery and do a nand restore
I tested it out again by hbooting pc10.. and I was able to obtain s-off by changing the kernal number in the ko file
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So let me get this straight, in order to flash pc10 safely we MUST have an existing PreRooted STOCK ROM?
No all you have to do is run hexeditor to change build number then you can flash pc10img
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marc91988 said:
No all you have to do is run hexeditor to change build number then you can flash pc10img
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Exactly. If you actually follow the directions in the thread you will be fine. I've done it more than a few times and have not had any problems yet.
I have also updated the instruction on the unroot guide aswell.
I was running the original Sense rom that was loaded via hboot which kept me at s-off. I was able to revert back to stock using the PC10 zip from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=831398 At the time I had no clockwork recovery. Was what I unsafe?
Thanks for the piece of mind. I don't want to unroot just yet, I'm running pretty much the stock rom w/ ota and bacon bits anyway, so........ Still it's nice to know that I can get back to stock should I NEED to.
Okay so I did this and I didn't brick my phone...and still have root/s-off
Did an ota update, after I found out there was perm root I perm root g2 s-off, then I went and downloaded clockwork/rom manager
Created a backup of the current g2, and did a wipe
Then hboot to sense ui (still have root). I went into clockwork create another backup. Played around with desire z rom.
After I decided to go back to stock 2.2 performed a restore with clockwork and now I am back to my original g2 stock.
So am I missing something here?
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Okay so I did this and I didn't brick my phone...and still have root/s-off
Did an ota update, after I found out there was perm root I perm root g2 s-off, then I went and downloaded clockwork/rom manager
Created a backup of the current g2, and did a wipe
Then hboot to sense ui (still have root). I went into clockwork create another backup. Played around with desire z rom.
After I decided to go back to stock 2.2 performed a restore with clockwork and now I am back to my original g2 stock.
So am I missing something here?
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These people didnt nand back before messing around with stuff
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Hello, i rooted my htc desire and flashed a ROM on it...now i need to flash another ROM onto my phone. Just need to know, can i directly flash another ROM or do i need to reroot my phone before that?
yes, you will keep root until you use a RUU, so just flash
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yes, you will keep root until you use a RUU, so just flash
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Ok, so i dont understand..u mean to say i dont need to reroot?
Once you root a phone, you're rooted for life until you decide to unroot.
So, you can change roms without having the need to reroot
Ok everyone...thanks for the info
Propibly a stupid question but i rooted my phone a while back and it is still s-on and i'm not sure if i'm going to s-off so i was wondering is it safe to use unrevoked again on my phone with out wiping data and cache and by that way flash cwm 3.0.0.5?
Oo and sorry for my english hope you understand what i'm trying to ask
You can't root an already rooted phone, doesn't work and can mess everything up so you have to start again, unless you go S-Off ofc.
I thought so
So i think i have to go s-off atleast to get the newest cwm.
But i don't know much about s-off and what i get from doing it so it's a bit scary
Try Rom-manager from the Market!
With it you can update, very easy now stress no need for s-off
But it is a temporary fake-flash - next time you reboot, you get the previous version.
For permanent update either S-OFF....
or some people said they succeeded with using the same version of unrEVOked for flashing the update, as the version they used for rooting. Just select a custom image.
Yes use unrevoked to flash it. No problem. Nandroid just in case.
runarorn said:
I don't know much about s-off and what i get from doing it so it's a bit scary
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If you want to know more about S-Off just look here. Just read everything carefully, when you have understood you can do it.
From doing it you will get several things. Of course you will be able to flash the recovery you want directly with fastboot. You will also be able to flash another radio or another hboot. In particular you could be interested in changing hboot if you want a different partition layout, everything is explained in the link above.
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Yes use unrevoked to flash it. No problem. Nandroid just in case.
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But if it messes up i might not get into recovery and i need to ruu it right? And does a nandroid take backup of recovery?
And thanks Ed Roid i will look into that
In my attempt to unlock bootloader, I stupidly upgraded my software version to 3.12.405.1 while using Easy Unlock Tool, because I wasn't paying attention what it was saying in the CMD.exe. Now I'm trying to downgrade it, because I can't seem to succeed doing anything with it (Rooting, Installing CWM or changing ROM). Also, it's S-ON, so I'm trying to get it S-OFF as well.
I'm lost. Can anyone help me out here?
PS: I really don't need to be reminded that I messed up...
EDIT: I managed to root it, install CWM. What I need to do now is get S-OFF and put a custom rom (Do I really need S-OFF?).
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In my attempt to unlock bootloader, I stupidly upgraded my software version to 3.12.405.1 while using Easy Unlock Tool, because I wasn't paying attention what it was saying in the CMD.exe. Now I'm trying to downgrade it, because I can't seem to succeed doing anything with it (Rooting, Installing CWM or changing ROM). Also, it's S-ON, so I'm trying to get it S-OFF as well.
I'm lost. Can anyone help me out here?
PS: I really don't need to be reminded that I messed up...
EDIT: I managed to root it, install CWM. What I need to do now is get S-OFF and put a custom rom (Do I really need S-OFF?).
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Have you checked here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2221039
tonylee000 said:
Have you checked here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2221039
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No, but I'm all good now. I don't really need to S-OFF as I've seen in other guides, but I need to know how to flash a kernel via boot.img.
rareshutzu said:
No, but I'm all good now. I don't really need to S-OFF as I've seen in other guides, but I need to know how to flash a kernel via boot.img.
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Have you installed 4ext recovery? Download 4ext from the google play, that will let you install 4ext recovery free for 3 days or something - long enough, only takes a few minutes! And roms and kernals can be flashed from there
tonylee000 said:
Have you installed 4ext recovery? Download 4ext from the google play, that will let you install 4ext recovery free for 3 days or something - long enough, only takes a few minutes! And roms and kernals can be flashed from there
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I got CWM. Found some guide how to rom without s-off. Thx anyway
This post should be closed, as I don't need help on downgrading anymore.
Ok so I followed 2 videos I cannor post since I am still new to root my phone. Weirdly enough it worked the first time (knowing how unlucky I am with these stuff).
So after this I learned that I have to unlock the bootloader. SO being the noob I am I went to actually check it out. What it was, not the process. I then found a rom I liked and the way to unlock the bootloader. So my questions:
1) Is there a possibility my bootloader is already unlocked?
2) In some posts I saw that the manufacturing date might make your phone hard brick. I think it was in some experia models. Does HTC Desire HD has any problem with that? Mine is : HT138RX... do I need to write the whole thing?
3) When you unlock the bootloader will the original rom work or it's just a step before you put the custom ROM?
4) once it is unlocked assuming I wanna change ROM do I have to unlock it again?
I already did my full back up so... Thanks in advance. I did a full search in the forum but couldn't find answers to these :/
The original post had also the links but since Its my first post I cant post em...
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Ok so I followed 2 videos I cannor post since I am still new to root my phone. Weirdly enough it worked the first time (knowing how unlucky I am with these stuff).
So after this I learned that I have to unlock the bootloader. SO being the noob I am I went to actually check it out. What it was, not the process. I then found a rom I liked and the way to unlock the bootloader. So my questions:
1) Is there a possibility my bootloader is already unlocked?
2) In some posts I saw that the manufacturing date might make your phone hard brick. I think it was in some experia models. Does HTC Desire HD has any problem with that? Mine is : HT138RX... do I need to write the whole thing?
3) When you unlock the bootloader will the original rom work or it's just a step before you put the custom ROM?
4) once it is unlocked assuming I wanna change ROM do I have to unlock it again?
I already did my full back up so... Thanks in advance. I did a full search in the forum but couldn't find answers to these :/
The original post had also the links but since Its my first post I cant post em...
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Boot into bootloader by rebooting while holding power and volume-down. What does it say?
bananagranola said:
Boot into bootloader by rebooting while holding power and volume-down. What does it say?
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*** LOCKED (OOW) ***
ACE PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
HBOOT-2.00.0029
MICROP-0429
RADIO-26.14.04.28_M
eMMC-boot
Dec 22 2011, 14:28:19
HBOOT
<VOL UP> to previous item
<VOL DOWN> to next item
<POWER> to select item
FASTBOOT
RECOVERY
FACTORY RESET
SIMLOCK
IMAGE CRC
You are S-Off. Do you have a recovery installed? To find out, navigate to "recovery" in the bootloader with the volume buttons, then select it with the power button. What does it show?
bananagranola said:
You are S-Off. Do you have a recovery installed? To find out, navigate to "recovery" in the bootloader with the volume buttons, then select it with the power button. What does it show?
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clockworkmod is that it? I remember installing it also when I did the root
silverghost00 said:
clockworkmod is that it? I remember installing it also when I did the root
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Then just flash a ROM from recovery.
bananagranola said:
Then just flash a ROM from recovery.
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I am confused... during root the bootloader got unlocked? So this is all I have to do now ?
Thanks a lot mate and sorry for using your time with noob questions :3
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I am confused... during root the bootloader got unlocked? So this is all I have to do now ?
Thanks a lot mate and sorry for using your time with noob questions :3
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Bootloader unlock and root are separate, and you can't root without unlock or S-Off. I don't know what you did, and I don't know what state your phone was in when you got it. If you tell me that I will know how to answer your question better. All I know right now is that your phone is S-Off, meaning that you can flash anything on it.
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Bootloader unlock and root are separate, and you can't root without unlock or S-Off. I don't know what you did, and I don't know what state your phone was in when you got it. If you tell me that I will know how to answer your question better. All I know right now is that your phone is S-Off, meaning that you can flash anything on it.
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Honestly I don't know what I did. I just followed the instructions on this youtube video I found but cant post it because I am new here... I ll probably do so later. What do you mean what the state of my phone was? BEfore it was original. First time I rooted it. I used ace hack and ultimate warp drive. I didnt have to downgrade also because it was 2.3.5 android version.
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Honestly I don't know what I did. I just followed the instructions on this youtube video I found but cant post it because I am new here... I ll probably do so later. What do you mean what the state of my phone was? BEfore it was original. First time I rooted it. I used ace hack and ultimate warp drive. I didnt have to downgrade also because it was 2.3.5 android version.
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OK, I think I understand your confusion. You need EITHER bootloader unlock OR S-Off to flash a recovery and flash root. You have S-Off from AAHK (which is now unsupported), so you don't need to (and can't) unlock your bootloader.
Now, to have root, either flash a rooted custom ROM from recovery or flash a superuser zip on your current stock ROM.
bananagranola said:
OK, I think I understand your confusion. You need EITHER bootloader unlock OR S-Off to flash a recovery and flash root. You have S-Off from AAHK (which is now unsupported), so you don't need to (and can't) unlock your bootloader.
Now, to have root, either flash a rooted custom ROM from recovery or flash a superuser zip on your current stock ROM.
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I have superuser in my stock ROM and Root since I installed like 3 different root checker apps to check it and all said its rooted. So I am thinking of flashing Jellytime now since I did my backup. Will I be able to? Or do I need anything else? I already have the guide about the Jellytime and gapps.
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I have superuser in my stock ROM and Root since I installed like 3 different root checker apps to check it and all said its rooted. So I am thinking of flashing Jellytime now since I did my backup. Will I be able to? Or do I need anything else? I already have the guide about the Jellytime and gapps.
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You're all set. Just flash it from recovery.
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You're all set. Just flash it from recovery.
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Thank you mate for all your help. Greatly appreciated!
silverghost00 said:
Thank you mate for all your help. Greatly appreciated!
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No problem. Have fun flashing!
Hmm just did a stock rom back up through clockwork mod recovery and now I am thinking of flashing jellytime. Do I need to install a kernel or just the rom / boot.img / gapps is ok? also is there a difference if i do it with clockworkmod or as others do it with 4ext?
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Hmm just did a stock rom back up through clockwork mod recovery and now I am thinking of flashing jellytime. Do I need to install a kernel or just the rom / boot.img / gapps is ok? also is there a difference if i do it with clockworkmod or as others do it with 4ext?
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Since you are S-Off you don't need the boot.img, just flash ROM and gapps from recovery. JellyTime is AOSP, not Sense, so you do need to flash gapps. If you ever flash a Sense ROM, you don't need gapps.
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Since you are S-Off you don't need the boot.img, just flash ROM and gapps from recovery. JellyTime is AOSP, not Sense, so you do need to flash gapps. If you ever flash a Sense ROM, you don't need gapps.
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Done Jelly time looks awsome! Thanks again ^^