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I just recently bought a Palm Pre and returned it, hated it! So I bought the touch pro knowing it cam out almost a year ago (impulse buy). Now I am just curious, I know the touch pro 2 is coming to sprint, but its rumored that the hero will be out for sprint later this year, possibly December. Which one should i wait for?
i think major difference is the qwerty keyboard so decide if you need this or not.
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i think major difference is the qwerty keyboard so decide if you need this or not.
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+ one is android and other WM, usually a big difference depending on what you like.
That will depend on what is for you need the device
TP2: Buissness oriented device with the second best physical keyboard (1st is from Universal)
Hero: Multimedia oriented device with an OS tha promises a lot in the future, by now it needs to grow up and madurate
Welcome to my world, all these damn phones coming out, Hero I like however things I dont like are the shape, imagine that in your pocket? "Are you pleased to see me or is that a HTC Hero in your pocket?" and as the person above mentioned, lack of keyboard.
White doesnt stay clean for long either.
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Welcome to my world, all these damn phones coming out, Hero I like however things I dont like are the shape, imagine that in your pocket? "Are you pleased to see me or is that a HTC Hero in your pocket?" and as the person above mentioned, lack of keyboard.
White doesnt stay clean for long either.
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Haha, yeah I know, keyboard is a big deal to me. It's just WM seems to disappoint me a lot. Although I have high hopes for 6.5, I'm thinking sprint is waiting for 6.5 to release to touch pro 2, it would make it all that better!
But still, functionality versus a keyboard, I don't know! haah
I know what you mean about WM, but HTC have done a great job of masking the dull and boring monolike OS with Touchflo from what I have seen and WM 6.5 looks like a vast improvement at least visually.
Personally I think you, like me, would probably get bored of Android and the touch screen keypad would drive me nuts in the end.
I tried typing on an Iphone 3GS yesterday to get a (improved) idea of what a Diamond 2 or Hero might be like and with my fingers theres no chance I would type quickly on that ever, it would be like trying to look behind you without moving your head.
TP2 is the way to go, however the Omnia Pro is coming soon too, but then the Nvidia Tegra chipset powered HTC HD sequal is comign - I cant decide either, phones are like PC graphics cards these days.
SuperAdvan said:
however things I dont like are the shape, imagine that in your pocket? and as the person above mentioned, lack of keyboard.
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the shape is virtually the same as the G1, and I've never heard anyone complain about any discomfort when they put the G1 in their pocket. and there may not be a hardware KB, but as far as onscreen KB's go, it looks like the Hero's will be one of best so far. and I like how the screen is capacitive and thus supports multi touch.
personally, I'm getting the TP2 when it comes out on AT&T. I'm also planning on picking up an unlocked Hero (unless it finds its way to the states, specifically AT&T). just want something else to play around with
Please buy both. Both has different strength, features & abilities. Both are totally different. I hope i will get one if god willing
For me it will be the one with the biggest screen & WM on it...TP2!
galaxys said:
For me it will be the one with the biggest screen & WM on it...TP2!
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Yeah but the hero has a capacitive screen right? or am I wrong about that? Im actually not sure but I would think that it does because all the other android ones by HTC ara capacitive
Edit: I checked and im pretty sure its capacitive but I just browsed through search results
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=530600
The same question has been haunting me lately too. I've been waiting forever for the TP2 to come to AT&T and now I see this. If they end up having release dates close together I'm thinking I might go with the hero. The main thing that will bother me is the lack of keyboard since I'm coming from a Kaiser (Tilt).
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White doesnt stay clean for long either.
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White is not definite. Colors and providers are yet to be determined according to an HTC rep on a youtube video that I saw earlier (If I can track it down again I'll include it with an edit....)
SuperAdvan said:
I cant decide either, phones are like PC graphics cards these days.
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Agreed, but there's one big difference. You can get an upgrade discount on phones once every 1.5 years, otherwise you're paying out your A$$. Graphics cards are always the same (usually relatively lower) price.
SuperAdvan said:
I know what you mean about WM, but HTC have done a great job of masking the dull and boring monolike OS with Touchflo from what I have seen and WM 6.5 looks like a vast improvement at least visually.
Personally I think you, like me, would probably get bored of Android and the touch screen keypad would drive me nuts in the end.
I tried typing on an Iphone 3GS yesterday to get a (improved) idea of what a Diamond 2 or Hero might be like and with my fingers theres no chance I would type quickly on that ever, it would be like trying to look behind you without moving your head.
TP2 is the way to go, however the Omnia Pro is coming soon too, but then the Nvidia Tegra chipset powered HTC HD sequal is comign - I cant decide either, phones are like PC graphics cards these days.
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Yeah you seem like you have the same thoughts as I do. I think you're right about getting tired with the android phone. I love messing with WM and modding it. I know you can with android, but it will have its limits. The thing about touch pro 2 not being a capacitive touch screen, it bums me out and makes me ask why they won't do this with WM yet. I can say they have been improving their resistive screens, big difference from the mogul to the touch pro, so I hope they can do that again. I am definitely leaning toward the touch pro 2. Does anyone know why they won't go with the capacitive screen on WM or touch pro 2?
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Yeah you seem like you have the same thoughts as I do. I think you're right about getting tired with the android phone. I love messing with WM and modding it. I know you can with android, but it will have its limits. The thing about touch pro 2 not being a capacitive touch screen, it bums me out and makes me ask why they won't do this with WM yet. I can say they have been improving their resistive screens, big difference from the mogul to the touch pro, so I hope they can do that again. I am definitely leaning toward the touch pro 2. Does anyone know why they won't go with the capacitive screen on WM or touch pro 2?
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This is exactly why I'm shying away from the TP2 and leaning towards the Hero or the Magic. The sheer idea of there being opportunities where I might need to resort to the stylus are completely holding me back. Guess I'll have to actually play with one before I make my decision; but, since using the capacitive touchscreen (iphone/G1), I'm not sure I can go back.
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Welcome to my world, all these damn phones coming out, Hero I like however things I dont like are the shape, imagine that in your pocket? "Are you pleased to see me or is that a HTC Hero in your pocket?" and as the person above mentioned, lack of keyboard.
White doesnt stay clean for long either.
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LOL! Yeah, I don't like the shape of it too..
I would go for TP2 as it's not going to disappoint you!
Hard descision
touch pro 2 is coming to tmobile august 8th and hero im not sure but the magic is coming july 8th..the resisitive touch screen on the pro is so smooth it feels like its capacitive..and its alot bigger screen and has multitouch..but the hero has android and its built very nicely with the teflon coat and finger print proof screen..i hate phones so many choices ((
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This is exactly why I'm shying away from the TP2 and leaning towards the Hero or the Magic. The sheer idea of there being opportunities where I might need to resort to the stylus are completely holding me back. Guess I'll have to actually play with one before I make my decision; but, since using the capacitive touchscreen (iphone/G1), I'm not sure I can go back.
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The resistive screen is one of the selling points for me, especially one as finger-friendly as TP2s. Best of both worlds. I get easy navigation without having to constantly sheath and unsheath the stylus, but I can use a compact and conveniently tucked away stylus when needed. I very much doubt I'll ever need it for the basic interface, but with some apps I'll want it. My Palm TX has been my primary Chinese-English dictionary for some time (before it, my Palm T|T and m500 served the same purpose), and the same software is available for WinMo. I'd just as soon use a stylus for character recognition. For that matter, I'd just as soon use a stylus for handwritten memos. I imagine capacitative screen users get by on both fronts just fine, but for me, I'm glad there's a good resistive screen still available.
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This is exactly why I'm shying away from the TP2 and leaning towards the Hero or the Magic. The sheer idea of there being opportunities where I might need to resort to the stylus are completely holding me back. Guess I'll have to actually play with one before I make my decision; but, since using the capacitive touchscreen (iphone/G1), I'm not sure I can go back.
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So far with my TP2, I have not used the stylus at all and I am a pretty heavy business user, thats emails, facebook, youtube, general browsing and posting on forums, stock, sms.
Whats more I have yet to use the actual qwerty keyboard aswell, I find the touch one good enough everytime unless I'm typing a huge email or document.
My advice is go and actually look at the Diamond 2 and TP2 in the flesh, it is totally different to looking at it on the internet, it really is a quality product.
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touch pro 2 is coming to tmobile august 8th and hero im not sure but the magic is coming july 8th..the resisitive touch screen on the pro is so smooth it feels like its capacitive..and its alot bigger screen and has multitouch..but the hero has android and its built very nicely with the teflon coat and finger print proof screen..i hate phones so many choices ((
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sorry to burst your bubble, sir, but the TP2 doesn't support multi touch. that luxury is reserved for devices that have a capacitive display. and while the TP2 feels like it's capacitive, it isn't. the Hero, on the other hand, IS capacitive and therefore the screen supports multi touch
I've heard that they won't make the HTC Touch Pro2 windows 7 compatible because of the resistitive touchscreen. But they would make it for HTC HD2 (because it has capacitive screen).
Is this true?
And if so,. what about 6.5.1?
WinMo7 will probably not work on the TP2. As for '6.5.1', well, considering most of the ROMs on this site are running '6.5.3', I think it's safe to say that your question is already answered
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I've heard that they won't make the HTC Touch Pro2 windows 7 compatible because of the resistitive touchscreen. But they would make it for HTC HD2 (because it has capacitive screen).
Is this true?
And if so,. what about 6.5.1?
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NNesin said:
I've heard that they won't make the HTC Touch Pro2 windows 7 compatible because of the resistitive touchscreen. But they would make it for HTC HD2 (because it has capacitive screen).
Is this true?
And if so,. what about 6.5.1?
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windows mobile 7 will not support resistive screens, but i am sure there is a go-around way that will be leaked and implemented, Lol
what i dont understand is why HTC is making considerable amount of new phones that run WM6.5 and have resistive screens (not capacitive so they can be upgraded to WM 7.0 officially)
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Thank you,
I don't know nothing about these ROM's for windows mobile phones (actually, with the entire windows mobile OS).
Is there a page where I can read the basics of how these things work? Like what a ROM exactly is, how to apply it onto your phone, will it remove ur guarantee. I'm kinda noob Gonna buy this HTC Touch pro2 soon so (preferring it over HD2 [is this weird? lol]), i assume that flashing is worth it.
Thanks in advance
Preferring a TP2 over an HD2 is very weird indeed.. get yourself checked out ASAP.
i prefer tp2 over hd2.
i love the physical keyboard. whammy.
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Preferring a TP2 over an HD2 is very weird indeed.. get yourself checked out ASAP.
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Well I would perfer the TP2 over an HD2 ANY DAY my friend. and im Checked as well.
From desgin to hardware its all pretty the same - except maybe for the CPU+Camera.. .. but Consodering the lovley keyboard on tp2 - makes it all worth it. And a Winner of course.
Pitty that WM 7 wont work on the tp2, but it doesent nesserserly mean that its impossible.. like mentioned before it WILL probebly be cooked\made by our developers on xda for the tp2 :, or simply wait until htc releases a Touch pro 3 with 1 Ghz of processor.
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Preferring a TP2 over an HD2 is very weird indeed.. get yourself checked out ASAP.
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I stand with the rest of them, a physical keyboard AND tilting screen rule.
I could also care less about capacitive touch, as resistive is much more precise, thoug lacking in multi-touch :/
No ...
Even if the chiefs will be able to make WM 7.0 run on the TP2 .. i find it hard that it would be usable, ... as lots of the minimum requirments of the WM7.0 do not exist in TP2
ARM v6+, Open GL ES 2.0 graphics HW (TP2 has Open GL ES 1.0), and Multi-touch is required (not optional)!
source: http://www.intomobile.com/2009/05/12/microsoft-pink-specs-windows-mobile-7-requirements-leak.html
so even if we be able to some how override those requirements, the device will be exceptionally sluggish
NNesin said:
Thank you,
I don't know nothing about these ROM's for windows mobile phones (actually, with the entire windows mobile OS).
Is there a page where I can read the basics of how these things work? Like what a ROM exactly is, how to apply it onto your phone, will it remove ur guarantee. I'm kinda noob Gonna buy this HTC Touch pro2 soon so (preferring it over HD2 [is this weird? lol]), i assume that flashing is worth it.
Thanks in advance
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Have a deep read here:
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l3it3r said:
Preferring a TP2 over an HD2 is very weird indeed.. get yourself checked out ASAP.
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I´m weird too as I prefer it for sure
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i prefer tp2 over hd2.
i love the physical keyboard. whammy.
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Agree
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Rhodium!!!!!!!
What the difference in screens?
New guy here.
Can someone explain the difference between the Resistive and Capacitative screens and why it makes a difference? My only point of reference is that I've used an Axim x51v since that model first came out. I'm looking at the TP2 to replace my Axim and my cell phone in the coming weeks. However, the stats on the HD2 looks more like what I've been waiting for and a closer match to the abilities of my Axim.
Anyway, just curious what the differences were?
TP2 vs. HD2: I also prefer the TP2. If only it had a Snapdragon inside...
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New guy here.
Can someone explain the difference between the Resistive and Capacitative screens and why it makes a difference? My only point of reference is that I've used an Axim x51v since that model first came out. I'm looking at the TP2 to replace my Axim and my cell phone in the coming weeks. However, the stats on the HD2 looks more like what I've been waiting for and a closer match to the abilities of my Axim.
Anyway, just curious what the differences were?
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Resistive screens have sensors that respond to the pressure you apply on the screen, thus being able to use anything (fingers, pen, stylus) to use the screen. There's no multitouch.
Capacitive screens, I believe, have conductive sensors that respond to the electric current that comes from your skin? Hence the necessity of using your fingers, rather than being able to use other materials. Multitouch is supported.
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yeah, i'll chime in with my support for TP2 over the HD2. I was excited to hear that the HD2 was coming to the US, but after having the TP2 for a week or so, making heavy use of email, IM, texting and Word Mobile (wrote a 800 word article on my daily commute over 3 days), I realize how useful the physical keyboard is.
still, I have a Blackberry Storm for backup, or when I'm traveling and don't wanna be weighed down by the TP2. But the big screen and customizability of the phone is probably going to be enough to keep me from switching for at least 1.5 years. By the time I buy my next phone, I hope it'll have a 4.3 inch screen like the HD2, a physical keyboard, a MicroSDXC slot and come in at under 13mm wide.
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TP2 vs. HD2: I also prefer the TP2. If only it had a Snapdragon inside...
Resistive screens have sensors that respond to the pressure you apply on the screen, thus being able to use anything (fingers, pen, stylus) to use the screen. There's no multitouch.
Capacitive screens, I believe, have conductive sensors that respond to the electric current that comes from your skin? Hence the necessity of using your fingers, rather than being able to use other materials. Multitouch is supported.
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OK, thanks for that. I guess I prefer the Resistive screens as I still use a Stylus pen for a majority of my work with handhelds. I have very large hands and find using a touch screen and the small keyboards a pain. I've been doing it for so many years that I'm actually pretty good and writing on the screen versus the onscreen keyboard.
So I guess eventually, I'll be out of luck when it comes to technology. If WinMo 7 won't support the resistive type screens I'll just have to stick with what I've got by then. Heck, I've been using my Axim x51v since it first came out and am only now seriously looking into getting something converged
I haven't used the physical keyboard on my TP2 more than a few times, and I really didn't NEED to then either. In the past, with tiny screens, yes, i'd agree. But when you have SIP options like fingerkeyboard or SWYPE (!!), the keyboard isn't really needed IMO. And saying the HD2 is the same as the TP2 minus a few parts is laughable at best. The HD2 has 802.11n, it has a 4.3" capacitve dual touch screen, 1ghz processor, etc etc etc...
In fact, I'm fairly certain that the TP2 has wet dreams about being replaced by the HD2.
I'm not saying that I don't like having a keyboard... because until recently I refused to buy anything that didn't have it (see history in sig). But, like the stylus (which I never use either), the keyboard is becoming less and less important the better and better the screens and software become.
I totally understand what some people are saying about how amazing the new technologies are. But I think there are a lot of people like myself out there who focus on the very essential things:
- It has to effortlessly make phone calls.
- It has to effortlessly allow me to get through a properly typed email or text.
- It has to be functional through more than a touch screen because psychologically the tactile experience of a button provides you with a subconscious comfort level if you're used to it.
I LOVE tech. I'm a TOTAL tech guy and need to know everything that's out there and follow it's r&d, but i can't have a phone that only has touch. And I don't think it will ever be a perfect enough technology to replace the physical button experience. I think what we're seeing now is a trend. It won't die, but it won't ever completely dominate. Touch screen typing tries to solve a problem that doesn't exist and for that reason, as a business model, most business people will tell you that it won't ever find a large enough market. The population is getting older, and that market segment prefers something they can use with ease. I'm sure some older people like the touch experience, but not enough of them will in the future unless some revolutionary technology appears that makes touch typing as flawless as a keyboard where the only error is human error.
Just my opinion. I tried to say "I think" as much as possible.
well said. I think that you should check out the swype keyboard though. it works Very well and is extremely accurate.
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Well I would perfer the TP2 over an HD2 ANY DAY my friend. and im Checked as well.
From desgin to hardware its all pretty the same - except maybe for the CPU+Camera.. .. but Consodering the lovley keyboard on tp2 - makes it all worth it. And a Winner of course.
Pitty that WM 7 wont work on the tp2, but it doesent nesserserly mean that its impossible.. like mentioned before it WILL probebly be cooked\made by our developers on xda for the tp2 :, or simply wait until htc releases a Touch pro 3 with 1 Ghz of processor.
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I agree! Im upgrading from my att fuze today just to get the bigger screen and bigger hardware keyboard since i dont have woman fingers for this tiny fuze keyboard!
Now if HD2 had a tilt screen and hardware keyboard, all other phones would be out of service! Since it doesnt and wont, it leaves a large playing field for other devices. anyways, by the time wm7 is even usuable, im sure there will be a tp3 by then for it!
I'm only speaking from my personal experience here. I RARELY use the keyboard on my TP2. I thought I would use it a LOT more than I have, but the on screen keyboards, especially Swype, are big enough to get 99% of the text input in that I do on a day to day basis. I'm 90% sure my next device will be sans keyboard. Will be the first one I've ever owned, so I'll be sure to voice my opinion then.
Soo, I've got a chance to trade my TP2 which I love oh so much because the keyboard is the sexiest I've ever seen, to trade for an HD2..
I want the HD2 but, then I don't want to have to deal with the on-screen..
What do you think I should do, keep my TP2? Or get the HD2..
After using swype the last few months I've been using the HW keyboard less and less...I'd probably go HD2 at this point.
Edit: Oh, and the whole WP7S thing too.
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After using swype the last few months I've been using the HW keyboard less and less...I'd probably go HD2 at this point.
Edit: Oh, and the whole WP7S thing too.
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Haha thanks for the quick response
I've used swype on my TP2 but it's a little bit.. not sure what to put.
But I'm sure you get what I mean, tol.
What's WP7S?
I know WM7..? o_o
Yeah, Swype took a bit to get used to, but once you just learn to trust it and wait to correct stuff till the end it's pretty fantastic. Just about as quick as thumb typing on the keyboard.
WP7S, Windows Phone 7 Series, WinMo 7, WP7, whatever MS is calling it these days
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Haha thanks for the quick response
I've used swype on my TP2 but it's a little bit.. not sure what to put.
But I'm sure you get what I mean, tol.
What's WP7S?
I know WM7..? o_o
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WM7 = WP7S (Windows Phone 7 Series)
For me the benefit would be in running sense 2.5 without any hitches and great performance.
Alrightt, thanks for the replys
I'm still debating, 'cause I know the HD2 is quick as heck.
I'm just going to miss my TP2 ):
haha, it's all good though.
Can't wait to get my HD2!
One guy entered to nike store and ask the guys around if Adddas is better...
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Keep Rhodium!
Typing on REAL keyboard is not comparable to any super sensitive (capacitive or resistive) screen
Even if processor is faster...
I bet to Touch Pro 3 for mid 2011
My older brother just visited me and he has the HD2.. The phone is incredible and if i could have it on Verizon i would get it in a second.
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Keep Rhodium!
Typing on REAL keyboard is not comparable to any super sensitive (capacitive or resistive) screen
Even if processor is faster...
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I totally agree! So yeah, Keep TP2...
Get a HD2! TP2 is great but, hey, HD2 is a King!
rossle, if you're going to get the HD2 after all, here's what I can suggest to make the step away from the hardware qwerty as painless as possible:
If you haven't already, go ahead and install a swype keyboard on your TP2 and start getting used to using that input method now. Once you get your HD2, you'll be able to start using it (swype) comfortably right from the start, and that will go a LONG way towards making the transition easier.
Also, I'd start practicing holding your thumb a tiny bit farther away from the screen...it took me almost 2 weeks to make this adjustment (necessary due to the capacitive screen vs the resistive that you have now), but now that I've retrained my joints and muscles it's a much smoother experience...I'm sure that anybody who has made the step up to the HD2 can back me up on this
The deal breaker for me is the abysmal battery life on the HD2 as compared with the TP2. I don't know the real world difference because I only own the TP2. But the rated specs are disheartening. Would anyone who owns both comment?
My history is XV6600 --> XV6700 --> XV6800 --> Touch Pro2. What's next from HTC? Obviously this is usually the time when the HTC rumor mill starts churning out some interesting stuff about what's to come in the fall from HTC in terms of QWERTY handsets. But with a WM6.5 handset (obviously) highly unlikely, what are they bringing to the table this fall?
Has Moto temporarily knocked HTC out of the QWERTY market with Verizon?
Is HTC really going to lack a QWERTY in Verizon's inventory, since the Touch Pro2 is fading in and out of stock on vzw.com? It's currently out of stock in my zip, which is usually when the rumors of an upcoming replacement start flying.
Just curious, since I'm in the market, and I'm not really hearing the normal chatter. All the early adopters of the Verizon Touch Pro2 will qualify for the "Annual Upgrade" policy starting a month from today basically, and I can't be the only one having dreams about Android! I'm not really dreaming about it, but it's on my mind.
I just refuse to believe that HTC's Verizon lineup is going to consist of the backordered Incredible, Imagio, and Ozone!
(I really didn't know where else to post this, but I figured I wasn't the only one with a Touch Pro2, who was thinking about upgrading right now.)
HD2 + keyboard
I think most of us are hoping for something very like the TP2 (which, aesthetically and functionally is nearly spot on), maybe a bit thinner, but with at least the processing power of the HD2.
I personally can't see that happening though - HTC are just too busy with android handsets at the moment, and the WinMob/hardware keyboard sector just isn't mainstream enough.
I guess partially, that's what I can't figure out. Why wouldn't HTC just take the Touch Pro2 (which they know was a hit among most users), throw in Android, a capacitive screen, bump up the RAM, and Snapdragon? Done!
Verizon's Droid branding campaign could handle the rest.
Right now, they're riding the EVO wave, but it's a non-QWERTY device on the US' third ranked carrier in terms of subscribers.
I would love to see HTC pull out the big guns this fall, but if the leaks don't start flying soon, they're going to lose a ton of US marketshare to Motorola and Samsung.
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I guess partially, that's what I can't figure out. Why wouldn't HTC just take the Touch Pro2 (which they know was a hit among most users), throw in Android, a capacitive screen, bump up the RAM, and Snapdragon? Done!
Verizon's Droid branding campaign could handle the rest.
Right now, they're riding the EVO wave, but it's a non-QWERTY device on the US' third ranked carrier in terms of subscribers.
I would love to see HTC pull out the big guns this fall, but if the leaks don't start flying soon, they're going to lose a ton of US marketshare to Motorola and Samsung.
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No, Windows 7 phones are next. I don't see anyone making any new WM 6.5.x phones. People have stopped developing applications for this platform. And WM 7 will not run WM 6.x programs...
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Why wouldn't HTC just take the Touch Pro2 (which they know was a hit among most users)
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That's the thing... it wasn't a hit. AT&T especially sold very few, and they no longer sell them at all. They've given up on them.
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throw in Android, a capacitive screen, bump up the RAM, and Snapdragon? Done!
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No, see, that's the problem. The TP2 was aimed squarely at the "business" market. Therefore, it MUST have Windows Mobile, because it MUST run Office Mobile.
What you want is probably a Nexus One.
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No, Windows 7 phones are next. I don't see anyone making any new WM 6.5.x phones. People have stopped developing applications for this platform. And WM 7 will not run WM 6.x programs...
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Maybe I need to clarify, of course I know they're not coming out with anything WinMo. Honestly though, the fact that it looks like they'll have no QWERTY on the market this fall is the first time in a LONG time. I just can't believe that HTC doesn't have any Android QWERTY devices in the pipeline for Verizon, or any other carrier for that matter.
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That's the thing... it wasn't a hit. AT&T especially sold very few, and they no longer sell them at all. They've given up on them.
No, see, that's the problem. The TP2 was aimed squarely at the "business" market. Therefore, it MUST have Windows Mobile, because it MUST run Office Mobile.
What you want is probably a Nexus One.
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Well, I don't think you can compare AT&T to any other carrier, since AT&T puts absolutely no marketing dollars behind anything but the iPhone. Honestly, they don't even try to sell other devices. The Tilt2 is still available on AT&T's website, $199, for a device that's already been out for a year. Not to mention the fact that they tried to sell it for $349 when it first came out. Meanwhile, Verizon had it for $199 from the start, and it's been less than $100 for the past 6 months. Seriously, AT&T didn't even put forth an effort.
Also, I don't believe that most business users use their mobile devices to access documents. 90% probably use it solely for the ability to sync corporate e-mail, calendar, etc. I know I do, and I am the epitome of a business user. Regardless, you can view and edit Office files with Documents To Go on Android.
As for the Nexus One, it's nowhere near comparable to the Touch Pro2 in terms of form factor. The only option HTC is giving people (in the US) right now would be to wait a month for the Incredible to come off backorder, wait for the EVO to come off backorder, buy the Aria, or go with a Motorola Droid device.
Just odd that they don't have any options, when typically this is the time of year they are getting ready to drop their next QWERTY device.
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Also, I don't believe that most business users use their mobile devices to access documents. 90% probably use it solely for the ability to sync corporate e-mail, calendar, etc. I know I do, and I am the epitome of a business user. Regardless, you can view and edit Office files with Documents To Go on Android.
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It's not the same. Businesses want devices that integrate tightly with their infrastructure. They want to be able to provision mobile devices and configure them from their Exchange server. They want SharePoint integration. They want Outlook integration. They want OneNote integration. Nothing like that is available (possibly outside Blackberry, which is a whole other can of worms).
I presume that the delay in winmo7 has begotten a delay in htc keyboard winmo phones.
Regardless of OS, HTC is giving Verizon customers no viable options right now.
I think that you can see by the HTC AT&T branded Aria that HTC is in fact aware that HW keyboards are needed. They will sway some consumers towards their phones over the iphone, and will compete with the Droid series.
I expect as someone mentioned a two to three phone lineup for AT&T when Windows 7 rolls out. Large HD2 style, HW Keyboard (crosses fingers) and a mini phone.
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I think that you can see by the HTC AT&T branded Aria that HTC is in fact aware that HW keyboards are needed. They will sway some consumers towards their phones over the iphone, and will compete with the Droid series.
I expect as someone mentioned a two to three phone lineup for AT&T when Windows 7 rolls out. Large HD2 style, HW Keyboard (crosses fingers) and a mini phone.
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I don't know, most of the phones these days don't have slider keyboards, they tend towards blackberry style keys, or soft keyboards. I think most people are considering that the iphone is the one to mimic, and it has no HW keyboard.
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I guess partially, that's what I can't figure out. Why wouldn't HTC just take the Touch Pro2 (which they know was a hit among most users), throw in Android, a capacitive screen, bump up the RAM, and Snapdragon? Done!
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I hope HTC does NOT use a capacitive screen. The TP2 is a business phone and I do not see anyone editing excel tables with a finger. For some applications and tasks it's just way more comfortable and precise to use the Stylus and as fas as I know the special styluses for capacitive TouchScreens are way to big to fit into a phone.
Therefore I strongly hope that they wont use a capacitive Touchscreen on this one.
Lets not turn business phones into Iphones.
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I hope HTC does NOT use a capacitive screen. The TP2 is a business phone and I do not see anyone editing excel tables with a finger. For some applications and tasks it's just way more comfortable and precise to use the Stylus and as fas as I know the special styluses for capacitive TouchScreens are way to big to fit into a phone.
Therefore I strongly hope that they wont use a capacitive Touchscreen on this one.
Lets not turn business phones into Iphones.
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im glad im not the only one who feels this way, i just had a conversation with a friend of mine (iphone user) as to why i liked my stylus
among other things, she was under the impression that taking out the stylus was required to do anything on the phone, i wonder if this misinformation is typical among consumers
well there is rumors about a hd2 pro... hope it happens.. but doesnt look like it.. its the tmobile hd2 with a keyboard. maybe it would land on att
Probably the best way for WM7 to sell those millions of phones that Ballmer has predicted would be to work even closer with HTC.
The Ultimate WM7 phone would be the HTC Touch Pro 3 with a 4.3 inch screen, the same tilt screen with HD definition, the same amazing physical keyboard, a 1.5 ghz Snapdragon processor, 512 mb RAM, 62gb micro sd enabled, and a 8 megapixel camera with 8x zoom and HD video enabled. Man that would be an amazing phone.
Oh yeah, also, I've heard rumours that the hardware requirements of Microsoft for WM7 don't allow a physical keyboard, is that corrrect?
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Oh yeah, also, I've heard rumours that the hardware requirements of Microsoft for WM7 don't allow a physical keyboard, is that corrrect?
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Not correct. LG already has WP7 phone with keyboard.
My "perfect" device would rather be SE. I truly hate HTC design,
it's tacky and tasteless.
Camera's aren't great either.
I'm sorry but what's SE? Do you mean Sony Ericsson?
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I'm sorry but what's SE? Do you mean Sony Ericsson?
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Ah yes. SE is that.
i don't know if design is a very important issue when it comes to a phone, but I was talking more about functionality when I referred to HTC. Also I don't think the HTC Touch Pro 2 looks "tacky and tasteless" at all. It actually has a very modern finish and it looks sleek. The tilt of the screen only reinforces the look. I do like SE, because it has created quality phones for years now. However, the problem with SE is that they are not willing to compete for market share to the same extent as HTC. This leaves their products bland and inferior to the technology that HTC is using. It seems like they are playing catch-up every time they release a phone, just look at Xperia...
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i don't know if design is a very important issue when it comes to a phone, but I was talking more about functionality when I referred to HTC. Also I don't think the HTC Touch Pro 2 looks "tacky and tasteless" at all. It actually has a very modern finish and it looks sleek. The tilt of the screen only reinforces the look. I do like SE, because it has created quality phones for years now. However, the problem with SE is that they are not willing to compete for market share to the same extent as HTC. This leaves their products bland and inferior to the technology that HTC is using. It seems like they are playing catch-up every time they release a phone, just look at Xperia...
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I know what you mean.
No doubt HTC does tremendous work, however remember SE produces also feature phones,
while HTC is smartphones only manufacturer.
But they did also great work in software....
Design - for me it's important. Also software, UI.
Now UI will be pretty the same everywhere....
Of course I only express my opinions. TouchPro 2 looks nice,
however I see X1/X2 much better in this regard.
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I know what you mean.
No doubt HTC does tremendous work, however remember SE produces also feature phones,
while HTC is smartphones only manufacturer.
But they did also great work in software....
Design - for me it's important. Also software, UI.
Now UI will be pretty the same everywhere....
Of course I only express my opinions. TouchPro 2 looks nice,
however I see X1/X2 much better in this regard.
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There's going to be an Xperia with WP7 but it does look like it won't beready at launch. They will be a month or two (this is a guess) late for the launch.
I remember seeing them listed on the original hardware partners list but they are absent on the initial release list.
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The Dell Lightning phone looks like the one to beat right now. http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/dell-lightning-the-ultimate-windows-phone-7-device-leaks-out/
Asus is the manufacturer of the slate WP7 prototype they've showed off some. It seems that HTC has a run for it's money. Here's hoping that they can put something out that can beat these.
ya but the keyboard on the Dell lightning is on the short side, which is kind of redundant in terms of functionality and that's going to be a big factor when it comes to sales.
Completely agree!
Hope at least some of that specs can be found on the successor of Rhodium.
I really like HTC designs, I won´t go for another brand really...
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Probably the best way for WM7 to sell those millions of phones that Ballmer has predicted would be to work even closer with HTC.
The Ultimate WM7 phone would be the HTC Touch Pro 3 with a 4.3 inch screen, the same tilt screen with HD definition, the same amazing physical keyboard, a 1.5 ghz Snapdragon processor, 512 mb RAM, 62gb micro sd enabled, and a 8 megapixel camera with 8x zoom and HD video enabled. Man that would be an amazing phone.
Oh yeah, also, I've heard rumours that the hardware requirements of Microsoft for WM7 don't allow a physical keyboard, is that corrrect?
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I has a dream of a Asus bamboo wp7 device last night. but it will never happen, it was just a dream
I actually love this Dell design, we'll see if it comes real.
The device which doesn't have to be flipped to write on hardware qwerty is a dream.
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I actually love this Dell design, we'll see if it comes real.
The device which doesn't have to be flipped to write on hardware qwerty is a dream.
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I've always loved the portrait slider form factor. With a portrait slider you still get the benefit of the hardware buttons but you can easily type with both hands or with a single hand.
I really want it but I think on the leaked material it said it was going to be on Sprint. I'm really hoping that the Samsung phone, due to that massive camera, will come to Verizon so I can buy it.
I live a bit off the beaten path and the only carrier that gives me good coverage at home, work, and inbetween is Verizon.
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I've always loved the portrait slider form factor. With a portrait slider you still get the benefit of the hardware buttons but you can easily type with both hands or with a single hand.
I really want it but I think on the leaked material it said it was going to be on Sprint. I'm really hoping that the Samsung phone, due to that massive camera, will come to Verizon so I can buy it.
I live a bit off the beaten path and the only carrier that gives me good coverage at home, work, and inbetween is Verizon.
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Well I almost never buy phones from carriers but from manufacturer.
We'll see how about that.
The question is actually when I'll be able really to get it in Poland.
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Well I almost never buy phones from carriers but from manufacturer.
We'll see how about that.
The question is actually when I'll be able really to get it in Poland.
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Countries at Launch:
■Australia
■Austria
■Belgium
■Canada
■France
■Germany
■Hong Kong
■India
■Ireland
■Italy
■Mexico
■New Zealand
■Singapore
■Spain
■Switzerland
■UK
■US
Languages:
English, French, Italian, German and Spanish
Depending on what languages you can speak you might be able to buy one and have it shipped from Germany since it's closer or possibly the UK. Since Europe is GSM you should be able to just pop your SIM card in there. However, you probably won't be able to use zunePass and potentially marketplace access (at least for paid apps)
It's also available in other countries than that list. It's not Apple, so the individual manufactures are allowed to sell it in all regions they want to.
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It's also available in other countries than that list. It's not Apple, so the individual manufactures are allowed to sell it in all regions they want to.
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Wrong. Those 17 countries and five languages are the only ones that will have the devices at launch. You may be able to import the devices to other countries but you won't have access to the marketplace or zunePass.
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Wrong. Those 17 countries and five languages are the only ones that will have the devices at launch. You may be able to import the devices to other countries but you won't have access to the marketplace or zunePass.
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No, you're wrong.
Perhaps you should call your local Microsoft office, and get their opinion if it's released in your country -- because mine say it's released in mine, and mine aren't on that list.
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No, you're wrong.
Perhaps you should call your local Microsoft office, and get their opinion if it's released in your country -- because mine say it's released in mine, and mine aren't on that list.
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I don't think so.
Feel free to think what you like. I prefer to stick to what the local Microsoft evangelists says in public here.
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No, you're wrong.
Perhaps you should call your local Microsoft office, and get their opinion if it's released in your country -- because mine say it's released in mine, and mine aren't on that list.
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It depends on when it will get released. The countries listed are for the INITIAL release in October/November. Other countries are slated for later dates. I think I heard of a second release for a month or two after the initial but nothing is set in stone since there hasn't been a press release. I'm guessing that the countries for the second release aren't finalized yet due to no official list being leaked. But for the initial release it'll be only for those countries listed above.