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Hi to everytody,
This is the firs time I write in this forum, but there is a long time ago that i read all your interesting and wise posts
I have recently changed my pda for a nokia n770, and I would like to know if is possible to make this device work under windows mobile, 'cos linux does not like me too much.
Is there any available rom for this device?
If so, how can I install it?
Many thanks in advance, and my congratulations for you all.
Regards.
CArlos
Absolutlely impossible
No drivers, no software - nothing.
Really?
But if I have seen in You Tube a video where this machine is running under windows xp....
And is there no way to load in any other rom from another pda?
many thanks and I apologize if I have said any nonsense... (my aknowledgements are very limited in this matter)
regards.
dunno about xp - but anyway it is much more possible than n770 running Windows Mobile
it was prob a nokia running remote desktop software
Don't believe everything you see on uTube.
As Redugar suggested it could have been remote terminal software, or a skin that made the device resemble XP or a fake video all together.
According to PC Magazine this device has an OMAP processor (official Nokia site does not provide that detail) so in theory it is similar to our phones.
But if you have truly read this site before you would know that this was asked and discussed many times: Window Mobile can not be installed on a device that was not designed for it.
There must be at least one original version of WM specifically made by the manufacturer for that device.
Only from that it might be possible to make upgrades but not create a version from scratch.
ok,
I read some time ago something regarding the prebootloader system..., that this kind of devices that runs under linux does not have (or it's different)... is this certain?
Anyway, I thought that somebody in this forum might be developed a tool to load this room, but in any case, I repeat that I'm just learning about this devices... in fact is my first one mobile pc running linux...
Many thanks.
i dont belive that any nokia phone run linux at all their use their own os called symbian
Rudegar said:
i dont belive that any nokia phone run linux at all their use their own os called symbian
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Believe it That's their new safety line off Symbian without stepping into WM.
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5409534614.html
While they may have the most say in Symbian, but I won't say it is 'their own OS'
Anyway, it is a pity that all these phone companies with Linux OS doesn't seems to be doing much to join forces in any other way. Motorola has some good histroy with their Linux OS.. and yet this Nokia is doing things all their own way.. which well, I'm not sure how that will divide the public developers. Anyway, I had a look at this N770.. it is not that impressive.
"but I won't say it is 'their own OS' "
yeah it started up as a group of mobil companys but dident
everybody else leave the group ?
Rudegar said:
"but I won't say it is 'their own OS' "
yeah it started up as a group of mobil companys but dident
everybody else leave the group ?
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Hmmm.. now you mentioned.. it seems quite true.. now, as far I can think of, for non Nokia phones, only SonyE's P9xx series is using it, huh?
İt says;
Software:
Operating system -- Internet Tablet 2005 software edition
İt s not talkin about linux, symbian possible by the way Rom upgrade impossible on this device because it cant be connect on active syn, and I dont think so that it has bootloader menu to flash WM6..
Nokia n770 (and n800) runs Maemo. For more info check out: http://maemo.org/.
The nokia n770/800 isnt a pda but an internet tablet.
just curious if this will happen it seems to already have for other phones just seein if anyone is working on this?
i second this suggestion too bad there is not alot of attention to vogue users only kaiser or herald or titan etc..
exatcly im almost regreting getting this phone i have even less help because im verizon everything is sprint
the diamond interface wont work out on vogue. the base OS will be ported, but its really no more of a big deal than any other OS port.
dcd1182 said:
the diamond interface wont work out on vogue. the base OS will be ported, but its really no more of a big deal than any other OS port.
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just curious of how you know for sure?
violentz313 said:
just curious of how you know for sure?
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because i've dumped it, looked at it, ported it, and played with it.
its "interface" is called manilla, if you search you will find that it is a graphic intensive replacement for todays htc home, and your vogue does not have graphics support to handle it.
most other OEM apps are portable with a few exceptions, since you wont need connectionsetup or advancednetwork etc etc on a cdma device.
again, its really not exciting. its a new OS build like you have seen in the past. the OEM apps that will work on your device are not new, just new versions.
ok thanks for cleaaring that up i was really only intrested in it for touchflo3d
ummm touchflo 3d is HUGELY memory intensive and is virtually impossible on any vogue.....
We dont have 3d drivers
just a little update unless vetvito beats me to it vetvito is currently working on direct draw drivers. he is having a bit of a difficult time with it from the sound of it but he is working on it.
dcd1182 said:
because i've dumped it, looked at it, ported it, and played with it.
its "interface" is called manilla, if you search you will find that it is a graphic intensive replacement for todays htc home, and your vogue does not have graphics support to handle it.
most other OEM apps are portable with a few exceptions, since you wont need connectionsetup or advancednetwork etc etc on a cdma device.
again, its really not exciting. its a new OS build like you have seen in the past. the OEM apps that will work on your device are not new, just new versions.
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DCD, I do not think this guy knows who you are.
Does a Linux on Rhodium project exist ?
If not, are there some compatible distros ?
well, it would have to be out for the hackers to start tinkering with. Rest asured that once it is the people here at XDA-dev will be hard at work trying to get android running smothly on it.
Poke_N_PDA said:
well, it would have to be out for the hackers to start tinkering with. Rest asured that once it is the people here at XDA-dev will be hard at work trying to get android running smothly on it.
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Can Android support 800x480 resolutions. I haven't been following up the Android system but most handsets I've seen only support HVGA.
given the fact that they have it running on the touch HD i would say yes it does support it, just companies beleive that more than HVGA is not necessary!
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given the fact that they have it running on the touch HD i would say yes it does support it, just companies beleive that more than HVGA is not necessary!
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Yeah, it really does work but very buggy. It's looks cool tho. Never thought of installing the Android on the HD. Hope it will finalised so I can try it. If it works on the HD, then maybe it will work for the TP2
well viperbjk is almost at par with jtag and then we can write successful commands on the nand memory of blackstone aka touch hd. once it is done .. the developers will follow up a quckie guide on how to install android on the touch hd. since xmooo, left the project in between ... it has been a dead and for the end users like me and us .. who have only less knowledge of things we wish to learn ..
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well viperbjk is almost at par with jtag and then we can write successful commands on the nand memory of blackstone aka touch hd. once it is done .. the developers will follow up a quckie guide on how to install android on the touch hd. since xmooo, left the project in between ... it has been a dead and for the end users like me and us .. who have only less knowledge of things we wish to learn ..
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Yeah, I was reading the discuss thread, it was so long, I only read every other page and saw a lot work done by xmooo... he left the project? I saw the videos he has made and it looked like he was so close to finishing it. What a shame. Hope someone will find a way to finishing the project with cupcakes. I only found out today that this project was going on... I want to find out more now. The only thing that stopped me from getting the magic was it's screen res. Now I know I can get the Android on HD, I getting excited about it being on the TP2.
As Android gets further along in life I'm sure it will become much easier to install on 3rd party phones. Right now it's just a bit of a headache. The tools have to be developed and put in place to handle the wide range of hardware. It's not like PCs where that work has already been largely done. I wish it was as simple as download ubuntu and installing it on a desktop is, but it's not. Someday I think it will be.
So is there any update on developing/porting linux to Rhodium?
Is it possible now for Rhodium to run Angstrom/GPE/Openmoko/Debian, etc?
I would prefer proper linux over Android because of the closed userland of the latter.
PS
Saw this right after posting: Angstrom running on Touch Pro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzZRxEgu440
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So is there any update on developing/porting linux to Rhodium?
Is it possible now for Rhodium to run Angstrom/GPE/Openmoko/Debian, etc?
I would prefer proper linux over Android because of the closed userland of the latter.
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Saw this right after posting: Angstrom running on Touch Pro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dvF5wiasSg
A comment says Angstrom can also run on Touch Pro 2. How?
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The video you posted was to VRHologram, not Angstrom on a Touch HD.
As for Android: they devs are working on it, but AFAIK they're still trying to get it to boot. It'll be slow going for a while, but hopefully development will pick up once they get it booting. I personally would love to see a Maemo or Debian distribution for the Rhodium, but we don't have many developers, so it'll probaby be Android for a while. At least once they get the hardware supported in HaRET, other distros should be much easier to run.
Thanks for the update. I have already corrected the youtube link.
Although I enjoy debian on my Universal, I would jump to Rhodium in a heartbeat as soon as it runs debian (or any of its variants). The form factor of Rhodium is just more enticing.
Hey guys!
Since the new HTC HD2 (Leo) is about to launch:
How can I use it's multitouch capability? Preferably with C#?
As far as I know the Windows Mobile SDK supports only the good old "Mouse_Down/Up/Move" events.
Is there anything I missed? Actually there must be, since HTC is using multitouch on their Sense UI (which is just an App, like everything else, right?).
Any ideas?
Hey, come on!
No ideas? Nothing?
I thought there were so many uber-developers in this froum
To my knowledge, the HD2's multitouch was homemade by HTC. It is not natively supported by Windows Mobile/C#/etc. Unlike Samsung, I don't think HTC has ever published an SDK or made any of their APIs available to outside developers.
But as far as I know the HD2 apps (like Opera Browser or Google Maps) work with multitouch as well. Were they adapted by HTC?
It would be too bad having a multitouch phone but not beeing able to program for it
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Were they adapted by HTC?
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From what I've read, yes. I haven't used an HD2 personally though
It's kinda funny (or sad) that virtually every cool feature of the HD2 (capacitive screen, multitouch, etc) was made possible by HTC and not by Microsoft. OEMs and developers shouldn't have to waste their time writing touchscreen interfaces and sensor APIs, but that's the reality of Windows Mobile for the time being. WM7 had better be a huge leap forward.
OK, so we know that there's no official way to do this.
But maybe one can somehow get to those data otherwise?
I guess we'll have to wait until the HD2 is officially released to find out...
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OEMs and developers shouldn't have to waste their time writing touchscreen interfaces and sensor APIs, but that's the reality of Windows Mobile for the time being. WM7 had better be a huge leap forward.
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In their defense, Microsoft HAVE provided API's for WM for camera's, GPS chips and accelerometers. It's not their fault if the OEM's choose not to use them.
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OK, so we know that there's no official way to do this.
But maybe one can somehow get to those data otherwise?
I guess we'll have to wait until the HD2 is officially released to find out...
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HTC's grav sensor API was soon reverse engineered, so I would expect this one to be too.
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In their defense, Microsoft HAVE provided API's for WM for camera's, GPS chips and accelerometers. It's not their fault if the OEM's choose not to use them.
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I wasn't aware that anything was available for accelerometers. Was that a recent addition? WM6.x?
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HTC's grav sensor API was soon reverse engineered, so I would expect this one to be too.
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I was thinking the same thing. The problem is still one of consistency between devices though. We need WM7 to lay a consistent groundwork for every feature that we now consider standard on a smartphone. Maybe that requires MS tightening restrictions on OEMs who choose to use Windows Mobile.
hold on am i missing something?.
you basically asking can you use multi touch on a phone such as diamond/touchpro 2?
multitouch capability depends on the actual hardware, with screens such as capacitive.
the HTC hero has a multi touch SCREEN...you can put the sense UI on resistive screens such as the GI, majic and so on.
do a google search on the difference between resistive and capacitive
Erm, no!
I asked specifically for the HTC HD2, which has a capacitive screen. So Multitouch should work very well on that device.
The only thing missing will be the API for it...
But we'll see about that (HD2 will be released any day now, I hope)
Multitouch is an HTC API...
I've got some way to working out how to use it, though I kinda need to have a device before I can do anything for real!
I know, that WM doesn't support multitouch. It'll be avaible in WM 7.
OK, now that the HD2 is out:
Did anyone play around with multitouch yet? Is there a way to use it in our own applications?
I played a little around with .Net, but havn't found any multitouch way...
Multitouch isn't part of .NET. HTC use there own library for this.
The hope is that someone will make it usable for development (like it happened with the G-Sensor)...
I thought about that HTC sends a Special-Mouse Click -> Mouse Scroll, so I can catch it, but this wasn't the case
Zoomer
There is an application called Zoomer,that enables almost all aplications that are installed to support Multitouch function on HD2,google for it.
That isn't a solution Zoomer just sets Registry entrys for using a Zoom, which just magnifiers the Window Of an App, without the ability for the App itself to draw this magnified space in high quality...
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That isn't a solution Zoomer just sets Registry entrys for using a Zoom, which just magnifiers the Window Of an App, without the ability for the App itself to draw this magnified space in high quality...
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I'm currently working on the alternative, that sends the window messages to zoom in/zoom out, but you then need to handle them.
I think I've found what messages it is, and need to work out what exactly is getting sent, but that hopefully shouldn't take long...
There are all sorts of threads except this one, the main topic. Will the current phones that are running the official and the aahemm...not so official WinMo 6.5 have an easy upgrade, the new OS looks stunning and I don't want anything but that OS ON MY PHONE...I don't care what it doesn't have..I JUST WANT IT....
I have an X1, running Spike's Infinite...so the big Q...Can I have it???
THANX!
Hoping Touch HD will be ok.
Touch HD2 will be lucky to have it let alone other devices. seeing as 6.5 will be hanging around, I doubt there will be any upgrades.
Not easy to say. It seems WP7s is going to have strict hardware ties. The lack of a search-button on present devices also gives a hint that it might just be available on future phones. I'm personally starting to doubt the rumours that HD2 will get an official update. Time will tell! But i'm confident we'll see it on (some) of our existing phones thanks to the great contributors here on XDA.
WVGA minimum, the multitouch probably can be worked around.
Ok....I was THIS close in buying the Touch HD2 and Touch Diamond 2..but then I heard voices in my head and bought the Xperia X1..not that I am complaining..but I want this on X1 Too....
SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:
1ghz CPU or snapdragon equivalent
WVGA capacative or alternative multitouch capable screen
512MB RAM/ROM
The whole spec list is on engadget, but it looks like the HD2 and only the HD2 + a couple of phones not yet released (Toshiba TG02) meet the minimum.
Bingo, 1Ghz Snapdragon or better, WVGA Capactive Screen be LED or AMOLED
I saw no notice that LED screens will be required. LCD should be fine, although it's a moot point since AMOLED's can be literally printed onto glass with an inkjet, it's going to kill mobile sized LCD on cost alone within 2 years. A win for contrast ratio, a loss for outdoor legibility.
Could probably work on current devices if you could turn off the animated tiles
I am using HTC 8525 with Win Mob 6.5 OS.
Can I upgrade it to Windows Phone 7?
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I am using HTC 8525 with Win Mob 6.5 OS.
Can I upgrade it to Windows Phone 7?
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Nope........
What about Xperia X1??
Is it a completely NO-NO or a May-be???
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What about Xperia X1??
Is it a completely NO-NO or a May-be???
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Its a complete no, Minimum specs are a 1Ghz Snapdragon processor. 512MB of RAM and 512MB ROM.
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Its a complete no, Minimum specs are a 1Ghz Snapdragon processor. 512MB of RAM and 512MB ROM.
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Shyt man, BUT is there a way we can have it modified for X1, or atleast the Zune Music Player for my X1..
plz plz DevGods...I pray thee..
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Shyt man, BUT is there a way we can have it modified for X1, or atleast the Zune Music Player for my X1..
plz plz DevGods...I pray thee..
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omg.....
first according to the requirements. I say to you nooooo way in hell. The X1 have everything WinPhone 7 hates, low res. not enough ram, cpu etc........
second of all, until MIX10 no dev here really knows what they are working with....
my opinion on the "new windows mobile"....
i can't imagine microsoft built a complete new OS. Maybe the Core (CE 6.0) and the GUI. They abandoned some old stuff like the start menu. but the basic things are still there (status bar at the top like in winmo 6.5.x and soft buttons at the bottom)
So it's very likely (from a developers view) that things work like in winmo6.5 under the hood. you'll still have a registry to break / improve stuff, a filesystem like fat32. microsoft has never taken a step and reinvented the wheel. they always used old stuff for their systems (windows 7 still includes an old dialog from win3.11)
Since they still use the active sync protocol you'll be able to work with the registry if old registry apps don't work anymore. the bootloader (read. spl) will still be the same so people can still flash stuff and read the memory in spl mode...
yeah... theres some pretty interesting stuff comming up (changes in marketplace, zune integration, zune worldwide, gaming and future apps). but time will tell and me thinks this is some sort of hype and panic atm.
just my 2 cents
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my opinion on the "new windows mobile"....
i can't imagine microsoft built a complete new OS. Maybe the Core (CE 6.0) and the GUI. They abandoned some old stuff like the start menu. but the basic things are still there (status bar at the top like in winmo 6.5.x and soft buttons at the bottom)
So it's very likely (from a developers view) that things work like in winmo6.5 under the hood. you'll still have a registry to break / improve stuff, a filesystem like fat32. microsoft has never taken a step and reinvented the wheel. they always used old stuff for their systems (windows 7 still includes an old dialog from win3.11)
Since they still use the active sync protocol you'll be able to work with the registry if old registry apps don't work anymore. the bootloader (read. spl) will still be the same so people can still flash stuff and read the memory in spl mode...
yeah... theres some pretty interesting stuff comming up (changes in marketplace, zune integration, zune worldwide, gaming and future apps). but time will tell and me thinks this is some sort of hype and panic atm.
just my 2 cents
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Wouldn't be so sure about all that...
operative1 said:
my opinion on the "new windows mobile"....
i can't imagine microsoft built a complete new OS. Maybe the Core (CE 6.0) and the GUI. They abandoned some old stuff like the start menu. but the basic things are still there (status bar at the top like in winmo 6.5.x and soft buttons at the bottom)
So it's very likely (from a developers view) that things work like in winmo6.5 under the hood. you'll still have a registry to break / improve stuff, a filesystem like fat32. microsoft has never taken a step and reinvented the wheel. they always used old stuff for their systems (windows 7 still includes an old dialog from win3.11)
Since they still use the active sync protocol you'll be able to work with the registry if old registry apps don't work anymore. the bootloader (read. spl) will still be the same so people can still flash stuff and read the memory in spl mode...
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I also doubt that Microsoft started from scratch (meaning that every line of code is brand new), however if they created a new Core (CE 6.0), removed the legacy APIs and introduced a new API, it is a completely new operating system from a developer's point of view. For example: There might be a registry but that does not mean that third party applications have unlimited access to it and can change every item, because the necessary API is missing.
We will know more after MIX...
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omg.....
first according to the requirements. I say to you nooooo way in hell. The X1 have everything WinPhone 7 hates, low res. not enough ram, cpu etc........
second of all, until MIX10 no dev here really knows what they are working with....
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Dont know what you mean by low res.. X1 has WVGA.
Regardless, unless your device has snapdragon forget all hopes of an official OR hacked upgrade. It cannot be ported to your device. It is two versions of the wince kernel ahead. Complete new drivers are needed. Without the OEM releasing an update to your device or device with similar hardware it will not be ported to your device. I have heard rumors that touch hd2 will get an update but that remains to be seen.