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[Q] Very Slow

When I do install any Android Flavor (warm donut, incubus froyo, cyanogen, etc) in NAND / SD (sys on NAND and data on SD card (data.img or ext2 partition)), the system becomes very very slown ... even to unlock screen, the mostly of time, the screen turns off before I get unlocked..
When I install only in NAND (sys and data) everything is ok, and very fast.
In Cyanogen, I have option in setup, to install apps in SD (even if sys and data are in NAND.)
Anyone have similar problema with speed in SD install ?

Ducamau said:
When I do install any Android Flavor (warm donut, incubus froyo, cyanogen, etc) in NAND / SD (sys on NAND and data on SD card (data.img or ext2 partition)), the system becomes very very slown ... even to unlock screen, the mostly of time, the screen turns off before I get unlocked..
When I install only in NAND (sys and data) everything is ok, and very fast.
In Cyanogen, I have option in setup, to install apps in SD (even if sys and data are in NAND.)
Anyone have similar problema with speed in SD install ?
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What's the class of your sdcard? A class 4 or class 6 sdcard should have performance close to or similar to NAND.

mychiu said:
What's the class of your sdcard? A class 4 or class 6 sdcard should have performance close to or similar to NAND.
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Hum..
I really don't know, but I presume it is class 2 (microSD 1Gb became with TyTN II)

under 4 gigs their isnt a class system because its not SDHC as far as i know, but performance will be sluggish with data on the SD since the system has to constantly pull to the SD its just the nature of having Data on SD

thoughtlesskyle said:
under 4 gigs their isnt a class system because its not SDHC as far as i know, but performance will be sluggish with data on the SD since the system has to constantly pull to the SD its just the nature of having Data on SD
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Oh.. I see..
my microSD 8Gb does not write anymore.. I can read files in it.. but I cant delete or write new files..
Peraphs I burn it (with a cold reset or any thing about it)

Ducamau said:
Oh.. I see..
my microSD 8Gb does not write anymore.. I can read files in it.. but I cant delete or write new files..
Peraphs I burn it (with a cold reset or any thing about it)
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it will still be dependant on the speed of the card, might want to do some speed test on your pc to see how fast it is. I don't have valid speeds on me but you can prob google to see what class 4 and 6 tests would return. I run everything on SD and don't have any issues.

ghghgh14702 said:
it will still be dependant on the speed of the card, might want to do some speed test on your pc to see how fast it is. I don't have valid speeds on me but you can prob google to see what class 4 and 6 tests would return. I run everything on SD and don't have any issues.
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I tryinstall Warbyte Donut, with sys on NAND e data on ext2 partition...and everyting is fine.. even with 1gb microSD (nonSDHC)... veryf ast and stable.. (at last 24hs)...
very fast.. and only issue is wifi sifnal (too weak sometimes).. and now (at this exatcly moment, the market begins force close when i press INSTALL in any app.

Titanium Back & 16Gb memory card

This is an ongoing problem for me and it's definitely not ROM related, but it makes flashing ROM's difficult, in fact downright awkward!
When installing apps from TB it will get through a couple then reboot, at which point nothing will install until I repair my ext partition (Thank God for AmonRA!). Then it will do the same thing again. It will do the same thing with installing apps from the market too, but it's not so pronounced as I don't tend to install loads of apps at once especially as I've got TB.
I found that TB worked fine with CM7 as it didn't install to the ext partition until I flashed DarkTremors aps2sd, and that worked fine as a way round the problem.
None of this happened until I upgraded my 8Gb to 16Gb sd card. The card seems fine in every respect, just the problem with installing aps :-(
Anyone with any ideas?
My previous thread on disabling aps2sd has not proved fruitful either.
David

Before I upgraded my pathetic 2gb I done a little research and the word on the street was the hero couldn't handle more than 8gb, recommended by HTC apparently!
Whether this was due to the limitations of the rom(1.6 at the time) or the hardware I don't know.
Have you tried re-formatting your SD card and making sure the ext partion is compatible with the rom your using?

dully79 said:
Before I upgraded my pathetic 2gb I done a little research and the word on the street was the hero couldn't handle more than 8gb, recommended by HTC apparently!
Whether this was due to the limitations of the rom(1.6 at the time) or the hardware I don't know.
Have you tried re-formatting your SD card and making sure the ext partion is compatible with the rom your using?
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Yeah I've reformatted and reformatted, initially I thought that the problem mgiht have been the backup files had become corrupt when transfering them over ... and yes I've tried ext2 ext3 and ext4 all with the same results (the only rom i tried which wasn't compatible with ext4 was Cronos).

Maybe its true about 8gb being the limit the hero can handle, maybe someone else can confirm or deny.

I'm sure I've seen some on here using 16Gb cards, but it would be good to know, maybe I should change to the Froyo aps2sd?

Maybe you could try doing a nandroid backup, and trying a different rom to see if it works, if not you could have a faulty SD card???

I a, using a 16 Gb card without problems, I always do a full wipe of my phone and a format of my card before flashing a new Rom. I use the aps2sc within the rom and make sure that the settings are right (install to external) before I use titanium.
I am on elelinux 6.2.0
GL

The max htc Hero should handle would be 32gb I believe. According to link 1, htc hero supports SD 2.0. While SD 2.0 is also called SDHC, which according to link 2 its max is 32gb
Maybe you should try to pull /proc/last_kmsg to see why it rebooted? (post it at pastebin.org, and place url here. Maybe we can understand it )
links:
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/hero/specification.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital

I a, using a 16 Gb card without problems, I always do a full wipe of my phone and a format of my card before flashing a new Rom. I use the aps2sc within the rom and make sure that the settings are right (install to external) before I use titanium.
I am on elelinux 6.2.0
GL
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Yeah I'm really confused as those were my settings also and I tried in on Elelinux 6.2 ... I think it must be either my Hero had a bad day it was born or the sd card did, but it always comes up clean when scanned.

snah65 said:
I a, using a 16 Gb card without problems, I always do a full wipe of my phone and a format of my card before flashing a new Rom. I use the aps2sc within the rom and make sure that the settings are right (install to external) before I use titanium.
I am on elelinux 6.2.0
GL
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16gb card here, use TB all the time and nadroid as well and never had a problem. Maybe your card has some faulty sectors. Try to copy 16gb on it on the PC and copy it back to your pc after you've made sure nothing was cached. Or try scandisk to see if a part of the flash is broken, maybe.

Using a cheap ebay-bought Team 16GB Class6 with TB, flashing and nandroids. No issues whatsoever. Works great!

I've scanned the disk multiple times, not tried a full 16gb transfer ... and I'll get the log output in a minute or two

output of /proc/last_kmsg
http://pastebin.com/0rpNHFF8
Thanks in advance!
Edit: It got to installing around 15apps this time before crashing. It varies as to when it dies, but it will. I even considered that it was overheating, or due to OC'ing, but it does the same thing regardless of temp or CPU speed

i also use 16gb sd card for 3 or 4 months and nothing ever happens like that. everything works perfect...

Have a feeling that it's corrupt, as I have a new problem with installing anything, I now get told there's not enough room to install or updates apps ... when there's plenty ... arrrgggg!

if 16gb isn't working for you, send the card to me. I have a working 2gb you can have instead.

dkelley said:
if 16gb isn't working for you, send the card to me. I have a working 2gb you can have instead.
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Haha that's really funny.
Actually I ran some scans, fsck's and reformats with repair options, and if it wasn't for the reboot issue and instability issues I have with Elelinux 7.0.3 then I'm sure I've got it fixed... I hope ...
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Move Cache to SD - Update.zip

as im not up to scratch with adb, and some roms, like wildpuzzle v0.8 only got about 105mb phone memory, because the davlik cache is on the phone, is there a update.zip or something flashable that moves the cache to SD so there is a lot more phone memory, I know if you copy wildpuzzle v0.6 on top of v0.8 it will give you more phone memory, but some roms have a little script in them that has the cache to SD thingy, If there isnt a update.zip, can someone create one????
thanks for any help you can give!
the file on most roms is called move_cache_sd

biggary said:
as im not up to scratch with adb, and some roms, like wildpuzzle v0.8 only got about 105mb phone memory, because the davlik cache is on the phone, is there a update.zip or something flashable that moves the cache to SD so there is a lot more phone memory, I know if you copy wildpuzzle v0.6 on top of v0.8 it will give you more phone memory, but some roms have a little script in them that has the cache to SD thingy, If there isnt a update.zip, can someone create one????
thanks for any help you can give!
the file on most roms is called move_cache_sd
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Read Carefully Content in link below:
EDIT - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Darktremor-Apps2SD/127051514027383?sk=notes

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page not found mate....
EDIT: Read it mate, thanks

s2e will be useful for you i think

i thought s2e is only for cm7 roms mate

neoazrael said:
s2e will be useful for you i think
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Stop advertising that bloatware crap, just use dark tremor apps2sd like the rest of us, it has options for cache, and dalvik cache, but those are stupid, because running cache from sd card = BAD.

well if you don't want to transfer the cache to sd,don't thick it.just thick apps and private apps and download.the solvation is simple.And it is very useful.i dunno the programmer of it ,i just shared my opinion ,it is not an advertisement and i am not an advertiser ,at least i can only say:respect a lil bit( the programmers labours instead of behaving like it is like some ****!)

NickHu said:
Stop advertising that bloatware crap, just use dark tremor apps2sd like the rest of us, it has options for cache, and dalvik cache, but those are stupid, because running cache from sd card = BAD.
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On my phone, running dalvik-cache from sd card is fine, I don't find any different or unstable when I move it to sd card

Funnnny said:
On my phone, running dalvik-cache from sd card is fine, I don't find any different or unstable when I move it to sd card
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If u have class 6 or better sdcard u wont notice much difference.
Sent from my HTC Wildfire
Running Gingerbread 2.3.3
Cyanogenmod 7

x500wm6 said:
If u have class 6 or better sdcard u wont notice much difference.
Sent from my HTC Wildfire
Running Gingerbread 2.3.3
Cyanogenmod 7
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with kingston 8gb class 4 no issues...only restart takes a while

neoazrael said:
with kingston 8gb class 4 no issues...only restart takes a while
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But thats the whole point...to have a faster reboot, better performance and responsiveness, it's better to leave dalvik cache on the phone UNLESS ur sd card is class 6 or better as mentioned in my previous reply.
Same goes for anything that is placed on sd/sd-ext. including apps.
Your battery will also last a lot less because the sd card (lower than class 6) will be stressing not only the cpu and sd controller but the whole experience and performance of your OS.

Wouldn't cache on SD wear it down? It is the wear levelling good enough?

install wildpuzzle 0.6, cache is in SD, stack 0.8 on it. and u will have cache on sd

x500wm6 said:
But thats the whole point...to have a faster reboot, better performance and responsiveness, it's better to leave dalvik cache on the phone UNLESS ur sd card is class 6 or better as mentioned in my previous reply.
Same goes for anything that is placed on sd/sd-ext. including apps.
Your battery will also last a lot less because the sd card (lower than class 6) will be stressing not only the cpu and sd controller but the whole experience and performance of your OS.
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Actually I believe class doesn't matter as much and if anything lower class is usually better for cache since speed-optimized SD cards at higher classes are set to prioritize large file writing at high speeds with slower random write speeds. These cards are mfg. for use in cameras and as media cards in phones, so seek times aren't the priority when you are reading/writing 8mb at a time. Get a good SD card testing app on your phone and one on your computer like crystalmark and test some. Turns out it's just like has been said for years, cheap cards are cheap cards. Kingston and SanDisk, Transcend all perform much better than other knock offs. A Kingston class 2 will outperform even a Kingston class 10 for most data2sd actions. I bought a class 10 card, thinking it would be faster but then ran the tests and it had about 1/10th the speed for random read/write as my SanDisk class 2.

So many bugs... don't know what to do!

Hey everyone ! First I swear I don't post this because I'm too lazy to make a proper search, I've been trying to solve my problems for two days...
Ok, I'll try to sum it up. Sorry if my english goes wrong at some point, I'm french.
Having problems with my micro SD in my Desire, I bought a new one, a kingston 8go, class 10.
My desire was under CM7, was S-OFF with a modified HBOOT. And except from bugs due to my SD (sometimes it would not be recognized), everything was working.
After installing the new micro SD, i did some manipulations: wipe, reinstallation, change of radio/RIL/kernel, and unfortunately ended up with no recovery and others bugs. So I decided (at one point I did stupid stuff) to reinstall RUU aaaand as I was S-OFF with a modified HBOOT, I bricked my phone. BUt after some hours and thanks to the forum, I managed to put back a RUU.
Then I did everything properly: ROOT/S-OFF with revolutionary, wipe, micro SD partition, and CM7 installation.
THen it was hell: I tried everything from regular install to legacy2ext and SimplytoExt etc every time it's really unstable. First the all thing is slow, then I can't flash the google apps, no matter what I try. If I install an app from the market, sometimes it works, sometimes it makes the phone reboot from the boot animation, sometimes it can't install etc.. Google maps was especially unstable.
THen, 10 or 20 manipulations, formatting, reinstallations later, I decided to check other rome, like Oxygen or milwild.
On my last Milwild install, everything is fluid but I can't install a single app (it's just stay on "installation" forever) and I can't wake up the screen after the phone goes to sleep.
Last but not least, my usb charger seems to have transfer problems. It's way to slow and the speed is not constant. During large transfers, comes files go corrupted. Am I usb bricked or something? I tried with another micro SD and it's the same problem;
So here I am, I really don't know what to do more? Any help?
Thanks a lot for your eventual answers!

Seems that installing a RUU solve all the problems for now, I wonder what in the process of putting a custom ROM could have caused so many differents and random problems. I'am doing the all process again to see if I can do it properly.
And again, I installed a custom ROM with CM7 hbott: impossible to download any app and the camera crashed. Any idea?

1. Don't use any D2EXT scripts with Cm7, obviously that's what caused the issue. If you NEED more space (even with cm7 hboot) try using DarkTremor's A2SD.
2. Before you flash a new ROM, do a FULL wipe (either from fastboot or recovery) - erase boot, system, userdata, cache, sd-ext (make sure you have an EXT-n partition on your sd-card, best program to use is gparted)

Desire is designed for class 4 SD card. Although some class 10's will perform at class 10 levels, many do not because of this. Kingston Class 10 being one example (I have one).
My kingston class 10, in Android, performs at class 6 speeds. Which would be ideal, but my class 10 Kingston was slower with data2sd than my class 4 sandisk.

Thanks for your answers:
Desire is designed for class 4 SD card. Although some class 10's will perform at class 10 levels, many do not because of this. Kingston Class 10 being one example (I have one).
My kingston class 10, in Android, performs at class 6 speeds. Which would be ideal, but my class 10 Kingston was slower with data2sd than my class 4 sandisk.
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Ok, I might send it back and change for another model then. But still it can't explain the problems I have
1. Don't use any D2EXT scripts with Cm7, obviously that's what caused the issue. If you NEED more space (even with cm7 hboot) try using DarkTremor's A2SD.
2. Before you flash a new ROM, do a FULL wipe (either from fastboot or recovery) - erase boot, system, userdata, cache, sd-ext (make sure you have an EXT-n partition on your sd-card, best program to use is gparted)
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I only was using this script to put the apps on the ext partition and I removed it. It's obviously not the problem since they stayed after a clean install.
I always fo a full wipe, I even formated all the partitions and my EXT partition is there and well aligned.
Here I am: I managed to "stabilise" with a gingerbread RUU, rooted and S-OFF with revolutionary.
I used RM recovery (with USB brick fix) and it seemed to help. I don't have any USB transfer problem any more.
The RUU works like a charm.
Then I tried again to install two customs romq, without any script or modification:
-on Milwild, I have still this "deep sleep" problem. I can use the camera, but I can't install any app from the market. It's stays on "installation" forever.
-On CM7 (I put the CM7r2 HBOOT with it) it starts well: I can install google maps. But then I try to open it and it freezes. Then I try to mount the FAT32 partition on my computer and it doesn't work. The cellphone also freezes when I try to reboot (there is the wheel, turning and turning, but nothing happens). SO I forced reboot, and then, google maps had just ... disappeard. I think my phone is haunted...
Isn't it strange that my cellphone is perfectly normal under RUU but can't bear any custom ROM???
I think I'm gonna go back to the RUU and try to use another SD card but I'm sceptical. If someone has a miraculous idea to share, I'll take it!!!
Thanks again

Well, rootSU, it seemed that you found the answer. I put another class 2 sd card and it seems to work again! I just spent hours on this for nothing... The strangest is that the class 10 card work perfectly when out of my phone...
Any advice about a good class 6/8/10 that could improve the performances without crashing like this?
EDIT: last question, I used the app2sd script you introduced, but I can't install any app with it, it says that I've got unsuficiant stockage space Oo.

I use.my class 10 Kingston and it works perfectly as a class 6. Plus its pretty future proof. Just no.good for data2sd.
Should work fine for everything else though
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Well, mine didn't worked at all, except the RUUs...strange! I have fully configured my class 2 SD card with simple2ext (only app on the ext partition, not data) and it works.
As I'm tireless, I'll try to put all this via nandroid on my class 10. If it could work like a class 6...

What did you use to partition the Kingston?
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

I partitioned it several time, with gparted and recoveries. I'm a bit worried about some part of the hardware managing the connection with the SD card that could be partly broken. I decided to change my first SD card when I first saw a "you need to put an SD card" when I try to take a picture. I had problems with files disappearing from the SD and reappearing. Also I lost some applications that I couldn't appear. I figured the card was dying.
Then I put a new SD card, faster and with larger capacity and everything goes wrong;
Then I put the old one back and... for now, everything works.

[Q] Apps on SD Card or Second Partition?

Is it better to have apps on the SD card or the SD card's second partition that I created, and If I flash a rom will they still be installed if they're in either location? I have the Samsung Extreme Speed Class 10 16GB Micro SDHC card.
Should I use the built-in a2sd or Link2sd, should the second partition be ext 3 or 4 and how should I format it?
I'm using ICS for HTC Desire 0.5.1, default HBoot, Clockworkmod Recovery Touch 5.8.0.2, aGPS and default homescreen with no scripts.
Thanks.

I can recommend to use Stock A2SD with EXT4 (fastest type). Partition size: => 512 MB.

Thanks for your response.

Yep apps on the ext partition. More advantageous. Saves space and doesn't break widgets. Apps are accessible even on USB mode.

Thanks also.
If I make an ext4 partition on my SD card and use the built-in a2sd with ICS for Desire, it will move all apps (including davlik, data and cache) to the second partition with the ability to move them back if needed?
If I flash a rom will they still be installed if they're in either location?

Yes, as far as I know, it moves all apps from your internal data to your ext partition.
a2sd supports moving your apps back, type "a2sd" to get a list of supported commands. The ones you are searching for are propably "a2sd nocachesd", "a2sd nodatasd" or maybe "a2sd noxdata", depending on the option you chose at installation.
If you flash a new rom, it depends on the rom and your installation setup, whether your apps remain or not.
If you flash a rom with the same a2sd script without wiping, your apps should remain. They will be lost in any other case. Always backup to be sure!

I have tried a few times with the A2SD script in (Sandvold's) ICS - but always get problems:
Very slow - at boot-up the "Preparing SD card" takes along time, and also for Apex launcher to internally catalogue the apps before being able to display their icons.
Worse still is downloading from the market, which takes 5x the length of time.
It is true I 'only' have a class 4 sd card - but others have reported this is OK.
I have ordered a class 10 card which will be with me shortly.
The worse problem is the phone keeps prompting me to input my SIM card number, and asking to reboot.
I am on stock HBOOT (but also previously tried cm7r2), I have tried stock and Tiamat kernals, and I have tried all different kinds of a2sd scripts. In some cases I have still run out of space, even though I have 1gb of ext4.
I am currently on Apex launcher, Tiamat kernal - and leaving apps where they are .... but I miss some of my favourites.
This configuration is stable - so I am hoping the new class 10 sd card will do the trick.

Looloup said:
I have tried a few times with the A2SD script in (Sandvold's) ICS - but always get problems:
Very slow - at boot-up the "Preparing SD card" takes along time, and also for Apex launcher to internally catalogue the apps before being able to display their icons.
Worse still is downloading from the market, which takes 5x the length of time.
It is true I 'only' have a class 4 sd card - but others have reported this is OK.
I have ordered a class 10 card which will be with me shortly.
The worse problem is the phone keeps prompting me to input my SIM card number, and asking to reboot.
I am on stock HBOOT (but also previously tried cm7r2), I have tried stock and Tiamat kernals, and I have tried all different kinds of a2sd scripts. In some cases I have still run out of space, even though I have 1gb of ext4.
I am currently on Apex launcher, Tiamat kernal - and leaving apps where they are .... but I miss some of my favourites.
This configuration is stable - so I am hoping the new class 10 sd card will do the trick.
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Class 10 SD cards are reported to be unstable on the Desire, someone may be lucky with it running properly, but a lot of people have problems; check out the forum.

Thanks for the info. However, I tried it and most apps appear to be on the SD card. I typed a2sd install, y, n, y.

Class 10 card ... my observations
Ryther said:
Class 10 SD cards are reported to be unstable on the Desire, someone may be lucky with it running properly, but a lot of people have problems; check out the forum.
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I saw conflicting advice on class 10 cards ... but in any case I took the plunge and ordered one from Amazon - wasn't too expensive .. 11GBP.
I set up the card from scratch via Gparted - wiped the phone and reinstalled Sandvold's 0.5.3 (Tiamat kernal, stock a2sd, Apex launcher ) turned a2sd on via terminal - moving everything ... and reinstalled all apps from the market not from TB.
Result: a very stable phone, nice and quick, no problems with download speed ... so I am pleased as punch.