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Is there a stable Froyo with Sense out there, one based on the Evo's ROM cause I did flash a rom by avalaunch. But it was based on the desire. I didn't like that and it didn't seem as fluid. So my question is... Is there a Froyo with Sense ROM out there thats stable and based on the Evo? and if there is what features are not working (if any) thank you
So far, all the FroYo roms are missing ( at the very least ) the back camera & 4G. However DamageControl & Cyanogen should have working ROM's within the next few days. Cyanogen will be AOSP, but i think DC might be Sense UI.
I initially thought I'd want an AOSP rom but after trying them I much prefer Sense, mainly for the widgets. Lets hope DC has sense! Wouldnt that be a slap in the face to HTC devs who need until December to complete it.. and DC does it with 2 devs in their spare time?
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I initially thought I'd want an AOSP rom but after trying them I much prefer Sense, mainly for the widgets. Lets hope DC has sense! Wouldnt that be a slap in the face to HTC devs who need until December to complete it.. and DC does it with 2 devs in their spare time?
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Htc devs are in no rush and it's not due to be released in December but BY December meaning any time until then
Is there any time frame for when DC development will come out with froyo with sense ROM. I currently am running DC 3.2.3. If they release it will it be listed in DCupdater?
From what I understand Google will not let anyone release 2.2 until N1 has it for a while. HTC has no control over it. It is google's way of keeping the N1 atop of the phone ladder. The same will happen with the next version. Its google's game, we have to play by their rules.
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From what I understand Google will not let anyone release 2.2 until N1 has it for a while. HTC has no control over it. It is google's way of keeping the N1 atop of the phone ladder. The same will happen with the next version. Its google's game, we have to play by their rules.
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I don't think that's true... The source code is released so anyone can compile it whenever. That's the whole point of it being open.
Where did you hear that?
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Is there any time frame for when DC development will come out with froyo with sense ROM. I currently am running DC 3.2.3. If they release it will it be listed in DCupdater?
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I've been stalking the DC thread for the past few days & it looks like they're starting to wrap things up. They didn't give an exact ETA, but based off the few comments they have made, i'd guess within the next few days ( i would love it for this weekend ), but i guess we'll just have to wait & see .
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From what I understand Google will not let anyone release 2.2 until N1 has it for a while. HTC has no control over it. It is google's way of keeping the N1 atop of the phone ladder. The same will happen with the next version. Its google's game, we have to play by their rules.
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Well, not entirely. When Google is finished testing on their "standard" hardware (in this case, the Nexus One) they will designate a final version. Then, HTC needs to get hold of this final version and add support for any unique hardware or software that their devices have. Think of it like release candidates and RTM versions of Windows. PC manufacturers get hold of the release candidates and test versions so that they can develop drivers and make sure their devices all work with the new OS. Then they get the final version, tweak what needs to be tweaked, run it through bug testing, and then pass it along.
In this case, HTC has to get the final version, make sure all of their apps and drivers work, make sure it works on their phones, and then pass it to Sprint for *more* testing to make sure it plays nice with the network and performs well.
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I've been stalking the DC thread for the past few days & it looks like they're starting to wrap things up. They didn't give an exact ETA, but based off the few comments they have made, i'd guess within the next few days ( i would love it for this weekend ), but i guess we'll just have to wait & see .
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I am aware that for many ROMs the camera doesn't work. Will it be working DC's ROM? And will it have sense? Is there any speculations of certain features not working? sorry these questions but since you have been "stalking" their thread you would know this stuff more than other (atleast I guess).
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I am aware that for many ROMs the camera doesn't work. Will it be working DC's ROM? And will it have sense? Is there any speculations of certain features not working? sorry these questions but since you have been "stalking" their thread you would know this stuff more than other (atleast I guess).
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According to a Tweet from Damageless himself last night "finishing porting cameras to Android 2.2... getting close."
Also the ROM will include Sense w/ the option to disable if desired.
-kp
kperry1911 said:
According to a Tweet from Damageless himself last night "finishing porting cameras to Android 2.2... getting close."
Also the ROM will include Sense w/ the option to disable if desired.
-kp
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Thank you very much. Is there a approximate release date for the ROM?
i know most of the devs said in order to have custom kernels for the new sense leak we have to wait for the official release or source to drop. i guess my question is, why not take the current shipped kernel and tweak it a bit and add sbc mod to it for the time being?
is this even possible and if so is anyone like toast/netarch working on this?
at this point i think it was said that the current kernel was very incomplete so devs are waiting for htc to drop the KERNAL source code
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i know most of the devs said in order to have custom kernels for the new sense leak we have to wait for the official release or source to drop. i guess my question is, why not take the current shipped kernel and tweak it a bit and add sbc mod to it for the time being?
is this even possible and if so is anyone like toast/netarch working on this?
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Mainly, the 2.2 kernel is based on 2.6.32, while the 2.3 kernel included with the last leak was based on 2.6.35. Two different trees totally. With no source for the newer kernel yet, it's almost impossible to do anything... at least easily.
It's easier to just wait for HTC to drop their source for the .35 kernel they are going to use, then the devs can go to town on it fixing what's broken as usual.
I'm not a kernel expert, so there may be things I left out or assumed.
3 months later and still no source code
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3 months later and still no source code
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3 months? Its only been a little over a month since the official 2.3 update
We're comin from a pure power source.
HTC has released the source code in a month or less in the past for the Evo.
Unfortunately, I don't expect that to happen this time because several of the bugs with the current 2.3.3 release seem kernel related to me. So my guess is we won't see source until after they release the next update. I just can't see them releasing source for something that is so screwed up, but that is pure speculation on my part.
Yeah, if there is already so much talk of another update, then that would make sense. Plus, according to HTC they have 90-120 days to release the source code.
I thought it was 30 days. I know toast wants kernel source for evo 4g and evo shift. Hopefully HTC realizes its been over a month. I don't think it matters if 2.3.3 has bugs, since it was officially released I think they are required to post kerenel source of what they used for 2.3.3
Maybe we should give a reminder to @HTC on twitter
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I don't think it matters if 2.3.3 has bugs, since it was officially released I think they are required to post kerenel source of what they used for 2.3.3
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I don't think their is any requirement for them to release source until they get it working. For example, I can almost guarantee we will never see source for the 4.22.651.2 update, and as I said before, it wouldn't surprise me if we got another update and never see source for the current 4.24.651.1 update either. I can think of several good reasons why they wouldn't release source with known problems.
Every time I back out of an app and have to wait for sense to reload, or whenever I try to switch to an app that was supposed to be running in the background and it has to reload and start over, it is obvious that this kernel has serious issues. I would bet HTC is working on it now to figure out what those issues are.
So... i know that there aren't any devs working on modifying the kernels from the 2.3 Sense Leak, but this is something I dont really understand.
Netarchy and crew (among many others) had kernels pushed out for the EVO WAAAAYYY before they released any source info. and even when we moved to 2.2, there were kernels ready soon after.
Obviously, the brightness fix is in a ton of working 2.2 kernels. Why cant we pull that out and put it in another kernel? Maybe add SBC and/or some battery tweaks?
I know that devs dont want to have to start over if there is a major difference in the Kernels from beta to release, but what would be the major change? Wouldnt the 2.3 be a good place to start messing around, and then make small adjustments when the full kernel is released? You could easily get a leg up on other devs and incorporate it into the TONS of 2.3 Roms that are out there now.
Im ignorant as hell when it comes to kernels and compiling, but speaking on a tiny modicum of common sense, there should be a way to prod and poke this kernel into submission.
ignore me if in being dumb. I just felt like i had to ask this.
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Id like to keep this a conversation between people who want this and people who know. Please dont add your 2cnts in to say the same things we have all heard (we need source, cant do it, no reverse engineering, blah blah)
If you are a dev and can give some REAL PROPER insight, we would love to hear it. even if its to tell us to stuff it LOL.
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So... i know that there aren't any devs working on modifying the kernels from the 2.3 Sense Leak, but this is something I dont really understand.
Netarchy and crew (among many others) had kernels pushed out for the EVO WAAAAYYY before they released any source info. and even when we moved to 2.2, there were kernels ready soon after.
Obviously, the brightness fix is in a ton of working 2.2 kernels. Why cant we pull that out and put it in another kernel? Maybe add SBC and/or some battery tweaks?
I know that devs dont want to have to start over if there is a major difference in the Kernels from beta to release, but what would be the major change? Wouldnt the 2.3 be a good place to start messing around, and then make small adjustments when the full kernel is released? You could easily get a leg up on other devs and incorporate it into the TONS of 2.3 Roms that are out there now.
Im ignorant as hell when it comes to kernels and compiling, but speaking on a tiny modicum of common sense, there should be a way to prod and poke this kernel into submission.
ignore me if in being dumb. I just felt like i had to ask this.
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Unfortunately, there is nothing that can be done until HTC releases source code for the kernel, or until HTC releases a new, working kernel. The kernel that is out now, that causes the brightness issue, is basically an incomplete kernel, from a leaked rom. Something that is fully working, and more stable is needed.
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Unfortunately, there is nothing that can be done until HTC releases source code for the kernel, or until HTC releases a new, working kernel. The kernel that is out now, that causes the brightness issue, is basically an incomplete kernel, from a leaked rom. Something that is fully working, and more stable is needed.
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I appreciate you saying that... but it doesnt explain why we had kernels for 2.1 and 2.2 before any source was released. I would like to hear from the devs directly.
Thanks for chiming in though.
From the little and probably wrong information I'm making up, you can't decompile kernels from a Rom, you need source to download from, then apply your mods and then can compile a fixed kernel
Edit: complete speculation, if it is in fact true i will modify post to reflect my all knowing powers
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From the little and probably wrong information I'm making up, you can't decompile kernels from a Rom, you need source to download from, then apply your mods and then can compile a fixed kernel
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Thank you... but this is what I am trying to avoid. Id like to remove the misinformation and get a real set of reasons and information. We can all speculate. I want a real answer... and im sure im not the only one.
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Thank you... but this is what I am trying to avoid. Id like to remove the misinformation and get a real set of reasons and information. We can all speculate. I want a real answer... and im sure im not the only one.
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Can't make kernels unless they are 1.) reverse-engineered 2.) or HTC releases the source code for a specific device.
Too time consuming. And by the time, it goes through a psuedo-SDLC, HTC would have probably already released the newest one and devs here already working on a custom kernel.
Hope that answers your question
I believe net said he would work on one as soon as the source is released....I think I read it in his thread
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Can't make kernels unless they are 1.) reverse-engineered 2.) or HTC releases the source code for a specific device.
Too time consuming. And by the time, it goes through a psuedo-SDLC, HTC would have probably already released the newest one and devs here already working on a custom kernel.
Hope that answers your question
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So in other words the reasons that they arent bothering is because they dont want to invest the time when it could become obsolete before it is even released?
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I believe net said he would work on one as soon as the source is released....I think I read it in his thread
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I dont see that happening any time soon.
Not only that, but i think i remember NET working on one before any source came out for 2.2 and 2.1, especially to fix the FPS cap.
I think that he didnt want to touch it because it is beta and can change between now and an official 2.3 release, like most devs have stated.
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I appreciate you saying that... but it doesnt explain why we had kernels for 2.1 and 2.2 before any source was released. I would like to hear from the devs directly.
Thanks for chiming in though.
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Not a problem. I don't have an answer for you about kernels being released for 2.1 and 2.2 before source was released, other than that you're most likely mistaken about that. Based on what I've been told by devs, and what I've seen devs say (netarchy said he'd work on this kernel as soon as source was released, and that there was nothing that could be done prior to source being released....he said it in his kernel thread), it is nearly impossible to mod/tweak a kernel without the source code. Without source code, it would need to be reverse engineered. By the time that was to happen, a new kernel would already be released most likely.
That's all I got on that issue. So basically, no custom kernels without kernel source.
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Not a problem. I don't have an answer for you about kernels being released for 2.1 and 2.2 before source was released, other than that you're most likely mistaken about that. Based on what I've been told by devs, and what I've seen devs say (netarchy said he'd work on this kernel as soon as source was released, and that there was nothing that could be done prior to source being released....he said it in his kernel thread), it is nearly impossible to mod/tweak a kernel without the source code. Without source code, it would need to be reverse engineered. By the time that was to happen, a new kernel would already be released most likely.
That's all I got on that issue. So basically, no custom kernels without kernel source.
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I may very well be COMPLETELY WRONG. LOL. Im not against that. I am right now doing my homework to confirm what ive been thinking.
EDIT: After doing some homework, it looks like Net and Toast were making changes to the stock 2.1 kernel before any source was released. This i remember because the 2.2 Kernels that they first made broke the camera, which wasnt fixed until the source was released. I remember waiting with my hand over f5 til HTC released the source.
They we working hard on using Kernels from other devices and tryign to get the FPS cap removed along with getting the HDMI working.
All i did was go over this ANCIENT thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=719763&highlight=source
rawdikrik said:
I may very well be COMPLETELY WRONG. LOL. Im not against that. I am right now doing my homework to confirm what ive been thinking.
EDIT: After doing some homework, it looks like Net and Toast were making changes to the stock 2.1 kernel before any source was released. This i remember because the 2.2 Kernels that they first made broke the camera, which wasnt fixed until the source was released. I remember waiting with my hand over f5 til HTC released the source.
They we working hard on using Kernels from other devices and tryign to get the FPS cap removed along with getting the HDMI working.
All i did was go over this ANCIENT thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=719763&highlight=source
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Well, maybe there are certain things that can be worked on without source, but I believe for this type of problem (brightness issue), source is needed. Probably similar to how you said that the 2.2 kerneles broke the camera at first, and couldn't be fixed until source was released. This is the same type of deal. Hopefully Sprint will release an OTA within 30-60 days. I wouldn't get my hopes up for anything before that, unfortunately.
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Well, maybe there are certain things that can be worked on without source, but I believe for this type of problem (brightness issue), source is needed. Probably similar to how you said that the 2.2 kerneles broke the camera at first, and couldn't be fixed until source was released. This is the same type of deal. Hopefully Sprint will release an OTA within 30-60 days. I wouldn't get my hopes up for anything before that, unfortunately.
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The word around the grapevine is that sprint isn't releasing the OTA until after the release of the evo 3d (marketing scheme, you know how it is).
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The word around the grapevine is that sprint isn't releasing the OTA until after the release of the evo 3d (marketing scheme, you know how it is).
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I heard that too. That wont be til June/July and then they have another 60days of waiting time they usually take to release source.
and that is IF They do the upgrade, since usually they only want a single upgrade in the life cycle of a product. They will most likely REALLY think about it, to not risk stealing sales from the newer phones coming out over the summer.
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The word around the grapevine is that sprint isn't releasing the OTA until after the release of the evo 3d (marketing scheme, you know how it is).
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Correct. I predict the 3D to drop within 30-60 days from now though. Then shortly after that, the OTA will probably roll out. As rawdikrik said, source will probably come a month or two after the OTA. The good thing though, is that if/when an OTA is released, it will have a working kernel in it. So even without source being released, a working kernel will be in circulation at that point, which will most likely resolve the brightness issue.
Evo 3D is supposedly hitting June so I'm going to say July just to give it some breathing room. If OTA hits around August maybe September, then its another 30-45 days to release source. So were talking around September-October ish for complete source. This is all speculation but sprint/HTC operate that way. My guess is september for a fully working kernel for GB based on the source code. Stupid marketing scheme to get us to buy the evo 3D.
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I'm so going to buy the EVO 3d
not sure how i feel about the 3d gimmick...
Can we keep this on topic though? THanks guys... Im just waiting to hear something from the big dogs.
Keep in mind it's entirely possible that we will see another leaked kernal long before the OTA is out, this one fully functional. This is especially true if(as many of you seem to suspect) this "leak" was actually no leak at all but an intentional way to let the Chefs and Power Users test their new ROM for them and get feedback on it.
Not sure if you (the Op) have ever tried programming... But (in perspective of the difficulty), basically this would be like me writing a "Hello World" app in Java or C++, and it having an extra space in between the words that bothered you. You would have to cipher through hundreds of lines of code in a hexidecimal editor trying to find the "call" to the display API, and then find which variable or constant it was using for the text output, and change it.
Then you would have to re-compile, and hope it worked without breaking anything else already in place. If you broke something, it's INCREDIBLY hard to debug without real source code.
From Droid Life on Twitter:
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I must stay, not surprised if it's true. The time it was "supposed" to happen came and went, with no word. I bet they do the same thing with the 2.3 release that they did with the HTC Desire, put it out there on their development site and state that it's for "advanced users". Good thing we had the leak a little while back, and amazing developers who spend endless hours tweaking and adding things to make it usable!
Hopefully this is a mistake. Otherwise, it would be nice if they could release the source code so that those who actually care (xda devs, etc) can deliver the goods. However that's wishful thinking.
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i could have told you that in march when it EOL'd HTC still sells and supports the device, and alot of verizon stores have accessories for the phone on clearence as in, under 4 bucks sitting in a cardboard box in the back clearence, (IE. they want to get rid of them)
so, yeah, i could have told you that already, and we probably will see a source code release, they released the source code for GB on the samsung galaxy s phones, and i think either MIUI or cyanogenmod already has 2.3.4 on the fascinate, with the right kernel.
And here too:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...bringing-gingerbread-to-the-droid-incredible/
I never really cared about a gingerbread ota, I just want that sense .35 kernel source.
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i said it before, and i will say it again, ROOT YOUR PHONES IF YOU WANT MORE OUT OF IT!.
there are some non-tech users, yes, but those of us that are power users, like the idea of having a good phone, i'm close to ordering an extended battery (just going to mod the siliconecase i have now with a pocket knife, no need to speed 15 bucks on somthing you can do yourself )
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i could have told you that in march when it EOL'd HTC still sells and supports the device, and alot of verizon stores have accessories for the phone on clearence as in, under 4 bucks sitting in a cardboard box in the back clearence, (IE. they want to get rid of them)
so, yeah, i could have told you that already, and we probably will see a source code release, they released the source code for GB on the samsung galaxy s phones, and i think either MIUI or cyanogenmod already has 2.3.4 on the fascinate, with the right kernel.
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I don't think we'll be seeing source code. AFAIK, they're only obligated to opensource within 30 days of officially releasing it.
snq- managed to reverse engineer the desire's gb kernel when it was leaked, and created a closed-source kernel with governers and oc/uv as modules. So it's possible to have a custom kernel, but I know for a fact that I don't possess the skill required to do that. We'd have to talk to the resident kernel hackers about that.
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I never really cared about a gingerbread ota, I just want that sense .35 kernel source.
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Yeah, kernel source would be nice.
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I don't think we'll be seeing source code. AFAIK, they're only obligated to opensource within 30 days of officially releasing it.
snq- managed to reverse engineer the desire's gb kernel when it was leaked, and created a closed-source kernel with governers and oc/uv as modules. So it's possible to have a custom kernel, but I know for a fact that I don't possess the skill required to do that. We'd have to talk to the resident kernel hackers about that.
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what device does -snq own?
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i said it before, and i will say it again, ROOT YOUR PHONES IF YOU WANT MORE OUT OF IT!.
there are some non-tech users, yes, but those of us that are power users, like the idea of having a good phone, i'm close to ordering an extended battery (just going to mod the siliconecase i have now with a pocket knife, no need to speed 15 bucks on somthing you can do yourself )
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Agreed, time to root to take advantage of this phone if you haven't. Not only can you run Gingerbread, but get better battery life and better overall feel.
I saw the reverse engineered HTC Desire kernel, as since my g/f has one on USCC now. I couldn't figure out how it was done, other than reverse engineered...impressive.
Maybe we'd get lucky and some developer would do the same, as I think it'd make the 2.3 Sense ROMs run better...
I am so thankful for our devs/modders/themers who put in the time!
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what device does -snq own?
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I've seen him a lot in the Desire forums, and Xoom too...but not sure what device he owns for sure (maybe both, if not more?).
bollocks!
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The biggest problem we will have, if HTC doesn't release the update, is that they will not HAVE to release the Gingerbread kernel source. That means no OC or other great tweaks to the kernel.
I just want a tun.ko module for the gingerbread kernels so that I can use VPN again with the new Sense 3.0 ROMS! Come on, we atleast need the source!
I'd be way more upset about not getting gingerbread if it wasn't already available with the aosp roms.
Sure it sucks not getting the code to modify sense kernels, but honestly, with the dev community around here, that's not a huge loss.
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Lets start nagging them about ICS
Maybe there's a way to get HTC to start putting leaks on their dev center site so that the community can play with them too. Is there a way to mod one of the other GB kernels source codes to fit the Inc?
http://htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads
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Maybe there's a way to get HTC to start putting leaks on their dev center site so that the community can play with them too. Is there a way to mod one of the other GB kernels source codes to fit the Inc?
http://htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads
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Actually yes. Having a kernel dev that has the knowledge or is willing to that for us....
seems that chad is the only active kernel dev left in this forum. i found a site that had pretty detailed instructions on how to set up a linux box to build kernels and it doesn't look all that difficult. my only problem is linux, i kind of suck at it, though i've played with it off and on for the last 6 years. right now i don't have a linux box but in december i'm getting a new laptop and will turn the old one into a dedicated linux box so maybe i'll look at it then. i also plan to move to the iphone, i know you don't have to say it i drank the kool-aid, but this will free up my inc for me to do more experimentation with.
We will have to wait and see! THe new HTC Vigor is looking promising.
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Does that mean all the issues with current ICS based ROMs on the DZ will be able to be resolved completely?
Or will it just affect the camera related problems?
Also will CM team then release an official DZ release?
I only ask because it seems like the DHD guys are making some progress with HTC.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=30099204&postcount=731
Cheers guys.
Well IF (and that's a pretty big IF considering that we've had plenty of headway with camera stuff on the DZ/G2 end) they were to actually release for example full sources and such it would probably aid to the camera.
However on the DZ/G2 side we already got the andreno libs and such from them over a week ago, it's... complicated.
and PS: the link you provided isn't what I'd call "progress", until we actually see something from HTC. Remember this is the same company that 'confirmed' on 4 or 5 separate instances that the DesireHD was getting ICS from them and to not worry, only to all the sudden not get it.
I wasn't aware that HTC had released new libraries for the device, hope everyone can put them to good use.
Yeah maybe no official progress but you have to commend them for their effort so far.
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I wasn't aware that HTC had released new libraries for the device, hope everyone can put them to good use.
Yeah maybe no official progress but you have to commend them for their effort so far.
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It's already incorporated as best as can be into the Andromadus branch that I know of and just bout any rom that kangs off that. (getting it going on JB is still a different story since they're meant for ICS).
What I saw is that the most recent quarterly earning reminded HTC that they actually need to keep their customer happy to get the hard earned money.
Even though I am sure I won't buy HTC again until they show some real commitment to update their devices, keep pressuring the heck out of them is a good idea so just tell me if there's another petition.