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[SOURCE] HTC Froyo SourceCode Check

Hi developers,
I was tired of staring at the HTC Developers page to find out, if there is a new version of the Bravo-Source available.
So I made this a bit "friendly"
http://home.bestblog.de/source-check/index.php
Maybe useful, maybe not

Niceeeee We need a HAVS OC kernel

My compiling-machine is just waiting for the HTC sources

Nice. How long did it take for htc to release the source for eclair ? Quite a bit if I'm not mistaken ? Just to make an estimate...

andycted said:
Nice. How long did it take for htc to release the source for eclair ? Quite a bit if I'm not mistaken ? Just to make an estimate...
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As the sources of FROYO for the EVO4G are already out, I can't believe it should take too long
If I don't totally fail, I even know, what the name and URL of the source will be. For the names-convention on HTC Dev-Page it should be one of these:
http://member.america.htc.com/download/RomCode/Source_and_Binaries/bravo-2.6.32.15-gf9c0527.tar.gz
http://member.america.htc.com/download/RomCode/Source_and_Binaries/bravo_gf9c0527.tar.gz
But I make the check for a new version another (more reliable) way

I really don't understand why the Desire is ALWAYS the last of the batch to get the sources released...raaaaage.

<Monty Burns>Excellent...</Monty Burns>
Can't wait to have some tweaks.
If I recall correctly, it took way longer for the eclair source to be relased, to the point that people were afraid they wouldn't ever do it.

[Q] Why dont we have GB Sense Kernels?

So... i know that there aren't any devs working on modifying the kernels from the 2.3 Sense Leak, but this is something I dont really understand.
Netarchy and crew (among many others) had kernels pushed out for the EVO WAAAAYYY before they released any source info. and even when we moved to 2.2, there were kernels ready soon after.
Obviously, the brightness fix is in a ton of working 2.2 kernels. Why cant we pull that out and put it in another kernel? Maybe add SBC and/or some battery tweaks?
I know that devs dont want to have to start over if there is a major difference in the Kernels from beta to release, but what would be the major change? Wouldnt the 2.3 be a good place to start messing around, and then make small adjustments when the full kernel is released? You could easily get a leg up on other devs and incorporate it into the TONS of 2.3 Roms that are out there now.
Im ignorant as hell when it comes to kernels and compiling, but speaking on a tiny modicum of common sense, there should be a way to prod and poke this kernel into submission.
ignore me if in being dumb. I just felt like i had to ask this.
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Id like to keep this a conversation between people who want this and people who know. Please dont add your 2cnts in to say the same things we have all heard (we need source, cant do it, no reverse engineering, blah blah)
If you are a dev and can give some REAL PROPER insight, we would love to hear it. even if its to tell us to stuff it LOL.

rawdikrik said:
So... i know that there aren't any devs working on modifying the kernels from the 2.3 Sense Leak, but this is something I dont really understand.
Netarchy and crew (among many others) had kernels pushed out for the EVO WAAAAYYY before they released any source info. and even when we moved to 2.2, there were kernels ready soon after.
Obviously, the brightness fix is in a ton of working 2.2 kernels. Why cant we pull that out and put it in another kernel? Maybe add SBC and/or some battery tweaks?
I know that devs dont want to have to start over if there is a major difference in the Kernels from beta to release, but what would be the major change? Wouldnt the 2.3 be a good place to start messing around, and then make small adjustments when the full kernel is released? You could easily get a leg up on other devs and incorporate it into the TONS of 2.3 Roms that are out there now.
Im ignorant as hell when it comes to kernels and compiling, but speaking on a tiny modicum of common sense, there should be a way to prod and poke this kernel into submission.
ignore me if in being dumb. I just felt like i had to ask this.
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Unfortunately, there is nothing that can be done until HTC releases source code for the kernel, or until HTC releases a new, working kernel. The kernel that is out now, that causes the brightness issue, is basically an incomplete kernel, from a leaked rom. Something that is fully working, and more stable is needed.

k2buckley said:
Unfortunately, there is nothing that can be done until HTC releases source code for the kernel, or until HTC releases a new, working kernel. The kernel that is out now, that causes the brightness issue, is basically an incomplete kernel, from a leaked rom. Something that is fully working, and more stable is needed.
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I appreciate you saying that... but it doesnt explain why we had kernels for 2.1 and 2.2 before any source was released. I would like to hear from the devs directly.
Thanks for chiming in though.

From the little and probably wrong information I'm making up, you can't decompile kernels from a Rom, you need source to download from, then apply your mods and then can compile a fixed kernel
Edit: complete speculation, if it is in fact true i will modify post to reflect my all knowing powers

NewZJ said:
From the little and probably wrong information I'm making up, you can't decompile kernels from a Rom, you need source to download from, then apply your mods and then can compile a fixed kernel
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Thank you... but this is what I am trying to avoid. Id like to remove the misinformation and get a real set of reasons and information. We can all speculate. I want a real answer... and im sure im not the only one.

rawdikrik said:
Thank you... but this is what I am trying to avoid. Id like to remove the misinformation and get a real set of reasons and information. We can all speculate. I want a real answer... and im sure im not the only one.
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Can't make kernels unless they are 1.) reverse-engineered 2.) or HTC releases the source code for a specific device.
Too time consuming. And by the time, it goes through a psuedo-SDLC, HTC would have probably already released the newest one and devs here already working on a custom kernel.
Hope that answers your question

I believe net said he would work on one as soon as the source is released....I think I read it in his thread
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pinky059 said:
Can't make kernels unless they are 1.) reverse-engineered 2.) or HTC releases the source code for a specific device.
Too time consuming. And by the time, it goes through a psuedo-SDLC, HTC would have probably already released the newest one and devs here already working on a custom kernel.
Hope that answers your question
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So in other words the reasons that they arent bothering is because they dont want to invest the time when it could become obsolete before it is even released?

mutant13 said:
I believe net said he would work on one as soon as the source is released....I think I read it in his thread
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I dont see that happening any time soon.
Not only that, but i think i remember NET working on one before any source came out for 2.2 and 2.1, especially to fix the FPS cap.
I think that he didnt want to touch it because it is beta and can change between now and an official 2.3 release, like most devs have stated.

rawdikrik said:
I appreciate you saying that... but it doesnt explain why we had kernels for 2.1 and 2.2 before any source was released. I would like to hear from the devs directly.
Thanks for chiming in though.
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Not a problem. I don't have an answer for you about kernels being released for 2.1 and 2.2 before source was released, other than that you're most likely mistaken about that. Based on what I've been told by devs, and what I've seen devs say (netarchy said he'd work on this kernel as soon as source was released, and that there was nothing that could be done prior to source being released....he said it in his kernel thread), it is nearly impossible to mod/tweak a kernel without the source code. Without source code, it would need to be reverse engineered. By the time that was to happen, a new kernel would already be released most likely.
That's all I got on that issue. So basically, no custom kernels without kernel source.

k2buckley said:
Not a problem. I don't have an answer for you about kernels being released for 2.1 and 2.2 before source was released, other than that you're most likely mistaken about that. Based on what I've been told by devs, and what I've seen devs say (netarchy said he'd work on this kernel as soon as source was released, and that there was nothing that could be done prior to source being released....he said it in his kernel thread), it is nearly impossible to mod/tweak a kernel without the source code. Without source code, it would need to be reverse engineered. By the time that was to happen, a new kernel would already be released most likely.
That's all I got on that issue. So basically, no custom kernels without kernel source.
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I may very well be COMPLETELY WRONG. LOL. Im not against that. I am right now doing my homework to confirm what ive been thinking.
EDIT: After doing some homework, it looks like Net and Toast were making changes to the stock 2.1 kernel before any source was released. This i remember because the 2.2 Kernels that they first made broke the camera, which wasnt fixed until the source was released. I remember waiting with my hand over f5 til HTC released the source.
They we working hard on using Kernels from other devices and tryign to get the FPS cap removed along with getting the HDMI working.
All i did was go over this ANCIENT thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=719763&highlight=source

rawdikrik said:
I may very well be COMPLETELY WRONG. LOL. Im not against that. I am right now doing my homework to confirm what ive been thinking.
EDIT: After doing some homework, it looks like Net and Toast were making changes to the stock 2.1 kernel before any source was released. This i remember because the 2.2 Kernels that they first made broke the camera, which wasnt fixed until the source was released. I remember waiting with my hand over f5 til HTC released the source.
They we working hard on using Kernels from other devices and tryign to get the FPS cap removed along with getting the HDMI working.
All i did was go over this ANCIENT thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=719763&highlight=source
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Well, maybe there are certain things that can be worked on without source, but I believe for this type of problem (brightness issue), source is needed. Probably similar to how you said that the 2.2 kerneles broke the camera at first, and couldn't be fixed until source was released. This is the same type of deal. Hopefully Sprint will release an OTA within 30-60 days. I wouldn't get my hopes up for anything before that, unfortunately.

k2buckley said:
Well, maybe there are certain things that can be worked on without source, but I believe for this type of problem (brightness issue), source is needed. Probably similar to how you said that the 2.2 kerneles broke the camera at first, and couldn't be fixed until source was released. This is the same type of deal. Hopefully Sprint will release an OTA within 30-60 days. I wouldn't get my hopes up for anything before that, unfortunately.
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The word around the grapevine is that sprint isn't releasing the OTA until after the release of the evo 3d (marketing scheme, you know how it is).

AbsolutZeroGI said:
The word around the grapevine is that sprint isn't releasing the OTA until after the release of the evo 3d (marketing scheme, you know how it is).
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I heard that too. That wont be til June/July and then they have another 60days of waiting time they usually take to release source.
and that is IF They do the upgrade, since usually they only want a single upgrade in the life cycle of a product. They will most likely REALLY think about it, to not risk stealing sales from the newer phones coming out over the summer.

AbsolutZeroGI said:
The word around the grapevine is that sprint isn't releasing the OTA until after the release of the evo 3d (marketing scheme, you know how it is).
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Correct. I predict the 3D to drop within 30-60 days from now though. Then shortly after that, the OTA will probably roll out. As rawdikrik said, source will probably come a month or two after the OTA. The good thing though, is that if/when an OTA is released, it will have a working kernel in it. So even without source being released, a working kernel will be in circulation at that point, which will most likely resolve the brightness issue.

Evo 3D is supposedly hitting June so I'm going to say July just to give it some breathing room. If OTA hits around August maybe September, then its another 30-45 days to release source. So were talking around September-October ish for complete source. This is all speculation but sprint/HTC operate that way. My guess is september for a fully working kernel for GB based on the source code. Stupid marketing scheme to get us to buy the evo 3D.
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I'm so going to buy the EVO 3d

not sure how i feel about the 3d gimmick...
Can we keep this on topic though? THanks guys... Im just waiting to hear something from the big dogs.

Keep in mind it's entirely possible that we will see another leaked kernal long before the OTA is out, this one fully functional. This is especially true if(as many of you seem to suspect) this "leak" was actually no leak at all but an intentional way to let the Chefs and Power Users test their new ROM for them and get feedback on it.

Not sure if you (the Op) have ever tried programming... But (in perspective of the difficulty), basically this would be like me writing a "Hello World" app in Java or C++, and it having an extra space in between the words that bothered you. You would have to cipher through hundreds of lines of code in a hexidecimal editor trying to find the "call" to the display API, and then find which variable or constant it was using for the text output, and change it.
Then you would have to re-compile, and hope it worked without breaking anything else already in place. If you broke something, it's INCREDIBLY hard to debug without real source code.

Inc no longer receiving 2.3, according to HTC Rep?

From Droid Life on Twitter:
Droid Life
I must stay, not surprised if it's true. The time it was "supposed" to happen came and went, with no word. I bet they do the same thing with the 2.3 release that they did with the HTC Desire, put it out there on their development site and state that it's for "advanced users". Good thing we had the leak a little while back, and amazing developers who spend endless hours tweaking and adding things to make it usable!

Hopefully this is a mistake. Otherwise, it would be nice if they could release the source code so that those who actually care (xda devs, etc) can deliver the goods. However that's wishful thinking.
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i could have told you that in march when it EOL'd HTC still sells and supports the device, and alot of verizon stores have accessories for the phone on clearence as in, under 4 bucks sitting in a cardboard box in the back clearence, (IE. they want to get rid of them)
so, yeah, i could have told you that already, and we probably will see a source code release, they released the source code for GB on the samsung galaxy s phones, and i think either MIUI or cyanogenmod already has 2.3.4 on the fascinate, with the right kernel.

And here too:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...bringing-gingerbread-to-the-droid-incredible/

I never really cared about a gingerbread ota, I just want that sense .35 kernel source.
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i said it before, and i will say it again, ROOT YOUR PHONES IF YOU WANT MORE OUT OF IT!.
there are some non-tech users, yes, but those of us that are power users, like the idea of having a good phone, i'm close to ordering an extended battery (just going to mod the siliconecase i have now with a pocket knife, no need to speed 15 bucks on somthing you can do yourself )

Kiboe said:
i could have told you that in march when it EOL'd HTC still sells and supports the device, and alot of verizon stores have accessories for the phone on clearence as in, under 4 bucks sitting in a cardboard box in the back clearence, (IE. they want to get rid of them)
so, yeah, i could have told you that already, and we probably will see a source code release, they released the source code for GB on the samsung galaxy s phones, and i think either MIUI or cyanogenmod already has 2.3.4 on the fascinate, with the right kernel.
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I don't think we'll be seeing source code. AFAIK, they're only obligated to opensource within 30 days of officially releasing it.
snq- managed to reverse engineer the desire's gb kernel when it was leaked, and created a closed-source kernel with governers and oc/uv as modules. So it's possible to have a custom kernel, but I know for a fact that I don't possess the skill required to do that. We'd have to talk to the resident kernel hackers about that.

tcberg2010 said:
I never really cared about a gingerbread ota, I just want that sense .35 kernel source.
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Yeah, kernel source would be nice.

wdfowty said:
I don't think we'll be seeing source code. AFAIK, they're only obligated to opensource within 30 days of officially releasing it.
snq- managed to reverse engineer the desire's gb kernel when it was leaked, and created a closed-source kernel with governers and oc/uv as modules. So it's possible to have a custom kernel, but I know for a fact that I don't possess the skill required to do that. We'd have to talk to the resident kernel hackers about that.
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what device does -snq own?

Kiboe said:
i said it before, and i will say it again, ROOT YOUR PHONES IF YOU WANT MORE OUT OF IT!.
there are some non-tech users, yes, but those of us that are power users, like the idea of having a good phone, i'm close to ordering an extended battery (just going to mod the siliconecase i have now with a pocket knife, no need to speed 15 bucks on somthing you can do yourself )
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Agreed, time to root to take advantage of this phone if you haven't. Not only can you run Gingerbread, but get better battery life and better overall feel.
I saw the reverse engineered HTC Desire kernel, as since my g/f has one on USCC now. I couldn't figure out how it was done, other than reverse engineered...impressive.
Maybe we'd get lucky and some developer would do the same, as I think it'd make the 2.3 Sense ROMs run better...
I am so thankful for our devs/modders/themers who put in the time!

JoelZ9614 said:
what device does -snq own?
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I've seen him a lot in the Desire forums, and Xoom too...but not sure what device he owns for sure (maybe both, if not more?).

bollocks!
/10char

The biggest problem we will have, if HTC doesn't release the update, is that they will not HAVE to release the Gingerbread kernel source. That means no OC or other great tweaks to the kernel.

I just want a tun.ko module for the gingerbread kernels so that I can use VPN again with the new Sense 3.0 ROMS! Come on, we atleast need the source!

I'd be way more upset about not getting gingerbread if it wasn't already available with the aosp roms.
Sure it sucks not getting the code to modify sense kernels, but honestly, with the dev community around here, that's not a huge loss.
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Lets start nagging them about ICS

Maybe there's a way to get HTC to start putting leaks on their dev center site so that the community can play with them too. Is there a way to mod one of the other GB kernels source codes to fit the Inc?
http://htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads

kzoodroid said:
Maybe there's a way to get HTC to start putting leaks on their dev center site so that the community can play with them too. Is there a way to mod one of the other GB kernels source codes to fit the Inc?
http://htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads
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Actually yes. Having a kernel dev that has the knowledge or is willing to that for us....

seems that chad is the only active kernel dev left in this forum. i found a site that had pretty detailed instructions on how to set up a linux box to build kernels and it doesn't look all that difficult. my only problem is linux, i kind of suck at it, though i've played with it off and on for the last 6 years. right now i don't have a linux box but in december i'm getting a new laptop and will turn the old one into a dedicated linux box so maybe i'll look at it then. i also plan to move to the iphone, i know you don't have to say it i drank the kool-aid, but this will free up my inc for me to do more experimentation with.

We will have to wait and see! THe new HTC Vigor is looking promising.
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[Q] Source

I have a question, while everyone says that to get cm7 we need to wait for official gb. I understand that but we got official froyo didn't we? how come we don't have cm6 if it was official froyo and i would think it came with source within 30 days?
By all means, dont take this as a rant, i was just curious.

The people working on cm6 didn't see any point in finishing the project even with source because gb and new source was supposedly around the corner. 6 months later, we still don't have gb, and imo may never, and cm6 is final. The real cyanogen team doesn't support 6 anymore afaik.
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The people working on cm6 didn't see any point in finishing the project even with source because gb and new source was supposedly around the corner. 6 months later, we still don't have gb, and imo may never, and cm6 is final. The real cyanogen team doesn't support 6 anymore afaik.
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No I asked this same question the other day and a CyanogenMod dev said it was because we never got driver sources :/ supposedly were getting them with gb but if not its gonna be hit or miss every step of the way since building aosp roms w/o source is like navigating a maze in the dark.......

theduce102 said:
No I asked this same question the other day and a CyanogenMod dev said it was because we never got driver sources :/ supposedly were getting them with gb but if not its gonna be hit or miss every step of the way since building aosp roms w/o source is like navigating a maze in the dark.......
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i thought they had to release source within 30 days? or is the driver source not part of that?
if they didn't release the driver source with official froyo release then they probably wont for gb, then its say bye bye to official cm -.-

kwazytazz said:
i thought they had to release source within 30 days? or is the driver source not part of that?
if they didn't release the driver source with official froyo release then they probably wont for gb, then its say bye bye to official cm -.-
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Let's clear a something up.
Official Cyanogenmod is 100% possible WITHOUT source code/drivers/etc. it just is not a practical endeavor to begin the arduous process of writing drivers and an AOSP kernel from scratch when there is a very real chance of source code being released in the near future.

kwazytazz said:
i thought they had to release source within 30 days? or is the driver source not part of that?
if they didn't release the driver source with official froyo release then they probably wont for gb, then its say bye bye to official cm -.-
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Yeah its not impossible dude, just like 063_XBOX said..... I thought my metaphor explained it pretty well .... its possible to navigate your way out of a maze in the dark.... it'll just be a pain in the ass running into walls the whole way through..... "if we don't get any source with gb, Id think we would have nightly builds within 2-3 months assuming everyone pitched in and we had our best devs on the job..... " everything in the quotes is speculation and my personal guess so take it with a grain of salt or not at all.....
Ninja Edit: and as for source being released within 30 days of rom release, that's only for the kernel (and maybe rom?, I don't think roms have source??? I could be wrong)...... but drivers are closed source, which means they aren't required by license to give out.....

theduce102 said:
No I asked this same question the other day and a CyanogenMod dev said it was because we never got driver sources :/
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I didn't think we ever had a sanctioned cyanogen mod dev working on the epic. Just other devs working on a port.
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I didn't think we ever had a sanctioned cyanogen mod dev working on the epic. Just other devs working on a port.
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Naw we have had quite a few devs working on it but one of them just so happened to answer me....
But when I say CM dev I mean someone who actually contributed to the projects and made some progress in getting something to work in one of the builds.....

[Q] HTC Kernel source for 1.29.

Anyone know how quickly HTC releases kernel source? I've been checking htcdev for the source that goes along with 1.29.401.11, but with no luck; 1.28.x is the latest that's posted. I need to do a rebuild to fully enable oprofile for some dev work, and it's annoying that I can't
I also see that 2.05.401.2 (or newer) is supposed to be dropping soon... so will that be another lengthy wait for kernel source?

long story short dont hold your breath, HTC really suck at releasing the source, they technically breach the GPL licence but they dont care. Personally I think they should be putting out the source as soon as the updates hit customers phones.
The rate they are going though I wouldn't be surprised if you only say 1.29 source a few months after 2.05.401.2 gets released.