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UK User Desire or N1?

Hello guys,
I've put my HD2 up for sale and i'm looking for a Android phone.
I've obviously got the Desire and N1 in mind however choosing between the two i'm just so unsure.
The Desire has the SenseUI which I love on my HD2, and by my understanding the Widgets are pretty good compared to the N1, but the Android updates will be slower because of SenseUI needing to be integrated on each release.
But I have to admit i'm one of those people who needs a device running on the latest software being all it can be, so with the fact the N1 is already on Froyo 2.2 i'm then pulled towards this phone, as I'm doubtful the Desire will receive the same support over time.
Also if I Root the N1 I presume some people are putting Sense UI on the N1's and I could do the same>?
Likewise could I do the same thing on the Desire, i.e. Vanilla Froyo 2.2 without SenseUI on the Desire? or are they different internally?
My other headache is I would need to buy the N1 from the states, and am concerned of it not working properly in the UK.
with pinch to zoom on the N1 now, the only difference is the slightley different pshyical layout, and SenseUI, with N1 getting the updates first.
If i've said anything incorrect please let me know, correct me, more information is always good
And if you were buying one now which would you buy?
Thanks, Luke.

Why do you NEED the latest software on the device? Bragging rights?
I went from an HD2 to a Desire and it's the best decision I ever made! Sense is better than on the HD2 - working out of the box - and bar A2SD (which I've added on a custom ROM) there's nothing you need 2.2 for...I'd get the Desire and wait for 2.2 to be released - N1 hardware is a bit pap and trackballs have a habbit of going wrong
This is my own view though

I had the same decision but went for the desire purely for money reasons. I thought that the desire would outset the n1 and get a better modding community but it seems I was wrong. There are lots of devs for the n1 that are pretty active and it is very apparent since the release of froyo. But I still prefer the real buttons on the desire but the optical trackball is probably not as easy to use as the n1. Plus from the deg forum I dont think that the desire has been fully rooted yet in respect to loading custom spl (but I may be wrong about that)....if I could go back I would have got the n1

the reason i look to the N1
is because like soulja i feel the Desire is receiving updates later than the N1. Froyo is a clear example. the N1 has it already. but the Desire is going to get it with no date set. my concern is the supporr HTC will offer in future, because of SenseUI. im concerned that the modding, updates will not be as good or regular.
the reason the HD2 is going is because the app market is naff, and app support is failing as everyone is waiting for WM7.
I need a phone i can fiddle with.

Why do you NEED to fiddle with it? What's wrong with it as it is? The N1 got the update first because it is a Google phone outright, all other handsets are 3rd party so of course there'll be a delay in updates - albeit, hopefully, not a long one
The Desire is better than the N1 in every way bar the updates to Android - and I , personally, can wait for FroYo

Sounds like you already set on the n1 but decide to enter a room full of Desire users to dissuade you for some reason.
Do you have to buy from US?

EddyOS said:
Why do you NEED to fiddle with it? What's wrong with it as it is? The N1 got the update first because it is a Google phone outright, all other handsets are 3rd party so of course there'll be a delay in updates - albeit, hopefully, not a long one
The Desire is better than the N1 in every way bar the updates to Android - and I , personally, can wait for FroYo
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Soe people just need to fiddle, leave them to it! Why make loads of custom roms, and change them on a daily basis and flash all the time! People love doing this, and if the N1 has quicker updates, etc let em have it. I personally would love to have time to fiddle with a phone 24/7, but I get an hour a month, and love my desire out the box and Sense is great! If you don't like fiddling too much then great, but if someone loves fiddling then that's great too! Don't question WHY people want summit they just do! I personally would choose the desire as it's great out the box, and better hardware, and OK I may have to wait a little bit for 2.2/2.3, etc, etc in the future, but so what, it doesn't bother me (it may bother others and so be it!)

I love to fiddle, I cooked ROMs for my HD2 as the stock ROMs were poor to say the least. I'm just wondering why this person needs to fiddle. The phone, out the box, is nigh on perfect so there's not a lot to do. FroYo will be out eventually so probably best to wait for it...
It's purely curiosity

Problem i've faced.
IS that like most things we have an idea of how something should work. Anyone who's used a HD2 is probably well aware of how much better it is with C00kies hometab mod. I can't actually use mine Stock lol.
I've had my HD2 2 a while and have only just released 1.72, where as Unlocked people are rockin' on 2.10 While I no this is more todo with the network than the phone, I'd just like to be using the newer more update features as and when they arrive. I also like applying mods to user interface, and sometime functionality.
I'm doubtful of HTC's commitment to keep the Desire up to date. Sure you might see 2.2 but will you get 3.0? will HTC then have replaced the Desire with a new flagship model and say that the Desire is no longer on the update program?
Oddly my problem is with HTC and there Sense UI, don't get me wrong my HD2 without it is crap, but it slows down the updates significantly with regards to the Android system, and this concerns me.
@panos: the Nexus one isn't available in the UK simfree, so i have to buy from the US. However the Desire I an obtain from a UK retailer.
The Desire is £400
The Nexus1 is £437 phone,shipping,vat,import.

If Google release a new phone then the N1 will also be left out of the loop so that's not really a valid argument. You can get the N1 on Vodafone so you could always get a contract with them (assuming you're due an upgrade).
Your experience of WinMo is the same as mine - I was constantly cooking ROMs and Co0kie's HT was a must for me - but on the Desire I've not needed anything bar trying the new radios. You can't compare the 2 as they're worlds apart!!
I prefer the buttons on the Desire to the touchscreen ones on the N1 - and don't get my started on the stupid ball on the N1!!
End of the day, if you're someone who can't leave something alone then get the N1 but IMO the Desire is a superior device and Sense makes it even better. Plain Android is piss poor and just looks boring...

well in a few month when desire is released in north America It's going to gain a lot more attention.
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

souljas said:
I had the same decision but went for the desire purely for money reasons. I thought that the desire would outset the n1 and get a better modding community but it seems I was wrong. There are lots of devs for the n1 that are pretty active and it is very apparent since the release of froyo. But I still prefer the real buttons on the desire but the optical trackball is probably not as easy to use as the n1. Plus from the deg forum I dont think that the desire has been fully rooted yet in respect to loading custom spl (but I may be wrong about that)....if I could go back I would have got the n1
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+1 totally agree with you

quite interesting,
some people are saying I'd get a N1 if i could in hindsight. However after looking at the Sense UI i'm having trouble seeing the N1 as a good looking OS

diablous said:
quite interesting,
some people are saying I'd get a N1 if i could in hindsight. However after looking at the Sense UI i'm having trouble seeing the N1 as a good looking OS
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If you really like sense ui then i guess the desire is better for you...but personally, after having the G1, i would go for a phone with a better dev community. I miss my g1 and custom roms,,,,it was very fun and i miss those days...
plus as some have said HTC normally are not very quick with updates like the hero
^^^but yeah i hope when usa gets it the deving will improve

Do hope I am not to late to input on this.
Well through a small loop hole in Vodafones mobile network, I managed to get both the Desire and the Nexus 1.
Initially I had an early upgrade from the sony satio (what an awful phone) to the HTC desire, and loved it. Was absolutely fantastic, loved all of it and couldnt think of trading it away.
However, it stopped working all of a sudden. Around 2 hours later on the phone to vodafone, I was sent a Nexus one the next day. To my dismay, my desire started to work again. Happy days. Anyway, after having both phones for around 2 weeks I've decided that I am to sell the desire, even though the nexus would get me more coin. Yeah, it doesnt look as pretty as sense, but after a while you dont miss it. As for rooting and having latest updates, its the way to go.
IMO get the N1, vodafone do a pretty good deal. Best advise is to make the contract over the phone, they will give you near anything if your convincing

I would have got the N1 if I could go back. As for Sense being good looking I have to disagree. HTC have removed the app transitions (the fade in and out) and replaced the 3d app drawer with a plain black app drawer that lags. Also they have managed to make the default music player worse than stock.
The only thing I like about sense is the widgets, but beautiful widgets is an adequate replacement.
Also the N1 is very easy to root and near impossible to brick, whereas HTC have gone out of their way to spoil the fun and prevent us getting a full root (so far)
I am considering selling my Desire and getting the N1

I got a Desire because the N1 was not available on contract if it was I would of probably gone for the N1.
I spent 18 months on a G1 and loved all the support it got from the modding community much the same as the N1 has now, but I also at the time was in awe of the ui on the Hero which turned out to be a better build than the G1 in my opinion, and I questioned my self on if I made the right choice to get the G1 or not or should of waited a bit longer for the Hero to be released.
Since the Hero came out later, it was behind on the modding scene then picked up pace a lot later on, much the same as I imagine the Desire scene will explode sooner or later especially if we get full root on the device, people also say HTC are slow at updates which is true, but I got an update as soon as took it out of the box, but I think due to the N1 not been available on contract though various carriers in the UK until now and as far as I am aware only Vodafone, HTC has has sold a hell of a lot more Desires though various carriers on contract, that i think Vodafone will ever sell of the N1 thus they might realise that 2.2 should be shipped out to the Desire sooner rather than later to keep its users happy.
My friend has a N1 and my personal opinion the Desire looks a hell of a lot better outside and inside.

thinking of buying htc desire

Hi im thinking of buying a htc desire would you say its a good phone is it easy to root, what android does it run. Any info would help

it runs android 2.1, and is fairly easy to root but we don't have full root access.
If you want the latest updates quick (2.2) and easy rooting get the nexus one

samac92 said:
it runs android 2.1, and is fairly easy to root but we don't have full root access.
If you want the latest updates quick (2.2) and easy rooting get the nexus one
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What do you mean by "we don't have full root access"?

ownhd2 said:
What do you mean by "we don't have full root access"?
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The current root that we have is a temporary workaround. It is dependent on a pc to push files to the phone to enter recovery mode.
You can read more about it here.
But of course developers are working on it and I believe we will have a full root in no time.

i know its too let...
but i am going to buy a Desire, so what should i look for? is there any version of android to look for, any specific hboot version?
i want to root it. so any info will be greatly appreciated...

GSM desires all are rootable. Newest CDMA (sold in the USA) are not yet.
Updates are available OTA, or via download, so does not matter what version it comes with, you can update easily.

hellboy2703 said:
i know its too let...
but i am going to buy a Desire, so what should i look for? is there any version of android to look for, any specific hboot version?
i want to root it. so any info will be greatly appreciated...
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Get a newer phone, with bigger internal space and proper multitouch.

thed0g said:
Get a newer phone, with bigger internal space and proper multitouch.
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This. This phone is still a good device for those who bought it like 1 year ago or so, it didn't grew very old..but ofc if you wanna go for a new toy you should really look at the Galaxy-S II or at the Optimus Dual atm.

If your looking for a pretty powerful phone, get a dual core. Desire is good and it is easy to root (GSM) but internal storage lets it down. If you want, get the Desire S but no point. Get the Sensation or wait for Google I/O and see what is going to be available.

I got the first generation HTC Desire, and i'm very unhappy with it. The antenna and GPS isn't very powerful, and as with original firmware it got a lot of lag-problems. So I wouldn't prefer the Desire's.

I got the Desire when it first came out. It is a good phone, but as has been mentioned above, rather wait for the dual core phones to come out. I have had mine for 12 months, 6 to go on my contract and can't wait for a faster phone, perhaps I'll wait an extra few months for a quad core(insert daydream here). But if you are looking for a "budget" quality phone, I don't think you can go wrong with a Desire.

thed0g said:
Get a newer phone, with bigger internal space and proper multitouch.
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I second this.
The Desire is an awesome phone,but you can get an even better one for a bit more money.
That said,if you want something like the Desire but newer,try the Desire S or Samsung Galaxy Plus (it'll come out soon)...i'd recommend a dual core phone...but thats just a big waste of money >_>

There are at least two versions of Desire on makret now: made in Thailand and China, they say that the thailand's ones are better at least concerning building... but they are slightly more expensive...
So... you decide,.)

Thanx guys for your advice...
I chose it because its amoled display. If not how about desire hd, think this will help with the Rom memory. I am buying used ones. So latest ones are not suitable for me.
Thank you guys again.......
Sent from my HTC Wildfire

hellboy2703 said:
Thanx guys for your advice...
I chose it because its amoled display. If not how about desire hd, think this will help with the Rom memory. I am buying used ones. So latest ones are not suitable for me.
Thank you guys again.......
Sent from my HTC Wildfire
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DHD's battery isn't that powerful and its still 5 months old phone now. Unless you can get it for pocket change, I'd wait for newer models and then buy the top **** available.

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/3-5-ca...-quadband-gsm-tv-cell-phone-w-gps-wi-fi-70778

Desire HD has a lame screen (lcd, not even slcd) with poor color qualitty and you can't see anything in the sun light. It has the worst battery perfomance a phone could ever have and with all these deal breakers they cost a lot. Not to mention its too...frigging big, it has the size of my wallet.
The classic Desire is definitely too old and not worth buying nowadays, plus its very limited on hardware (no true multitouch, poor GPU and very small internal memory).
You should try Desire S if you afford or even a samsung galaxy S i9000, pretty old phone but still with monster hardware and kick ass screen.

Easy to root, and you can find many fantastic custom roms incuding gingerbread and sense 2.1
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desire very good easy to root and simple to use i would buy

Buy the desire s
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Im Moving

IN !!!!!!!!!!!!
my htc touch pro 2 will be going tomorrow when my htc desire arrives.
im guessing it will be all vodafone branded and im wondering if anyone can point me towards an official android 2.2 update if it hasnt already got it?
also what tips & tricks would you reccomend for a first time android user?
thanks

SMF_12 said:
IN !!!!!!!!!!!!
my htc touch pro 2 will be going tomorrow when my htc desire arrives.
im guessing it will be all vodafone branded and im wondering if anyone can point me towards an official android 2.2 update if it hasnt already got it?
also what tips & tricks would you reccomend for a first time android user?
thanks
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hello, your Desire will not be branded.. thanks to the people (and me) who had complained about the 1.24.161.3 uptade (vodafone branded, very buggy & slow!)
enjoy the phone, dont root or do anything with it as it is your first android phone so it would be very likely to brick the phone if you do not read & or know enough
I am pretty sure you will have 2.2, however 2.1 is not that bad so no poit messing around with the phone to get 720p etc.. for me- it made no differace, just wanted the horrible branding off!
nice to see someone live close to me.. never saw anyone clocer than london..
hope this helps & enjoy the phone

I'm a Walton on Thames boy from birth, just moved up North with the missus...

everything you could ever need right here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696189
welcome, to the dark side !!

thank you all... that would be sweet if its not branded like my tp2 was....
im inbetween slutton & croydon and work in east london atm.
ive heard alot of good things about android, only every really had a lil play with 1 or 2 android phones in the shops, couldnt test the internet ect...
but i wasnt keen on flashing my phones, must be why i got so annoyed with the tp2.
i will check out the link posted, and i will probly be posting up about more stuff if i cant find it in the search function.

You wouldn't be dissappointed with the Desire, infact, you wouldn't be dissapointed with any of hTC's android phones, especially unbranded ones. I strongly suggest you to flash a custom rom tho, they are quicker and more efficient than stock roms and should lengthen your battery life compared to normal stock roms.
Well I hope you will enjoy the phone, and have fun in the Desire forum

started using my desire last night, havnt evan had time to set anything up on it, i need to get used to the touch screen, soo used to having touch & type lol
have installed a few things such ass whatapp & juice defender because the people i work with rate that app highly with there galaxy S's

HTC one X international - Where to buy? (Also some question)

Hello, after read tons and tons of thread / reviews / comparisons between the GS3 & the HOX, the GS3 dual core & the GS3 quadcore, the HOX dual core & the HOX quadcore, I think I finally decided to go for the HOX int quadcore. While I'm still worried about the battery life I think with some tweaks and updates it should be fine... I hope...
1. So, my first question is, where to buy it... I checked amazon and ebay, some people are selling it but I don't really know if it's safe or not, is there a good place to buy it? (I'm from Canada).
2. My last phone was an HTC touch HD and I wasn't using a phone for about 2 years and a lot of things changed... I never used android. I have read a few thread about root, etc... I guess I'll have the latest update with the phone when I'll buy it, I read there is no way (yet?) to root the phone with the new update. What does that mean? No custom roms? No custom kernels? Will someone release an app to root the phone with the new update?
3. I will be using my phone mainly for internet browsing I'd like to get 5-6 hours on screen time with web browsing, do you think it's possible with custom kernel and tweaks?
4. I watched videos on youtube about multitasking issues (reloading apps every time you switch), while I read it's been fixed in an update I just want to be sure, is that fixed?
TLDR: What is the best place to buy it? Will having the latest update be an issue? Will the battery last for 5-6h on web browsing with some tweaks? Are multitasking issues fixed?
Thanks!

tsukurimashou said:
Hello, after read tons and tons of thread / reviews / comparisons between the GS3 & the HOX, the GS3 dual core & the GS3 quadcore, the HOX dual core & the HOX quadcore, I think I finally decided to go for the HOX int quadcore. While I'm still worried about the battery life I think with some tweaks and updates it should be fine... I hope...
1. So, my first question is, where to buy it... I checked amazon and ebay, some people are selling it but I don't really know if it's safe or not, is there a good place to buy it? (I'm from Canada).
2. My last phone was an HTC touch HD and I wasn't using a phone for about 2 years and a lot of things changed... I never used android. I have read a few thread about root, etc... I guess I'll have the latest update with the phone when I'll buy it, I read there is no way (yet?) to root the phone with the new update. What does that mean? No custom roms? No custom kernels? Will someone release an app to root the phone with the new update?
3. I will be using my phone mainly for internet browsing I'd like to get 5-6 hours on screen time with web browsing, do you think it's possible with custom kernel and tweaks?
4. I watched videos on youtube about multitasking issues (reloading apps every time you switch), while I read it's been fixed in an update I just want to be sure, is that fixed?
TLDR: What is the best place to buy it? Will having the latest update be an issue? Will the battery last for 5-6h on web browsing with some tweaks? Are multitasking issues fixed?
Thanks!
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I bought mine from Amazon because then you at least have 30 days to return it if something is wrong.
Having said that, I ended up with a T-Mobile Germany branded version, so I'm not sure what you'll get. Seems like Expansys is more likely to sell you the generic Asian version.
But I still feel much more confident purchasing from Amazon. They take good care of their customers. Returns have never been a problem for me.

greyhulk said:
I bought mine from Amazon because then you at least have 30 days to return it if something is wrong.
Having said that, I ended up with a T-Mobile Germany branded version, so I'm not sure what you'll get. Seems like Expansys is more likely to sell you the generic Asian version.
But I still feel much more confident purchasing from Amazon. They take good care of their customers. Returns have never been a problem for me.
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I want to buy from Expansys US... would you recommend them?
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I highly recommend Negri Electronics. They're based out of Las Vegas.
Right now $559.50 shipped for the grey One X. Unbranded. Mine is a perfect HT24D April 2012 build. No defects.
http://negrielectronics.com/htc-one-x-32gb-unlocked-black.html
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greyhulk said:
I bought mine from Amazon because then you at least have 30 days to return it if something is wrong.
Having said that, I ended up with a T-Mobile Germany branded version, so I'm not sure what you'll get. Seems like Expansys is more likely to sell you the generic Asian version.
But I still feel much more confident purchasing from Amazon. They take good care of their customers. Returns have never been a problem for me.
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Several members had this issue with Amazon dealers. They received branded versions.

I'd recommend Clove... They are very reliable and if anything goes wrong they are very supportive.
www.clove.co.uk

grtmoby said:
I'd recommend Clove... They are very reliable and if anything goes wrong they are very supportive.
www.clove.co.uk
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Too bad I'm in the US
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

3 to 4 hours of max sreen on time if you conserve ir battery, excellent screen off time up to 2 days
kernels can fix but so far custom governor on t3 are not easy to do
best thing about ur choice is thd games
read the how to pick ur unit guide
finally multi tasking can be easily customized to ur needs using root
finally if most important for u is web browsing n not gaming go with the dual core version it has better screen on times

Thanks for all your replies.
hamdir said:
3 to 4 hours of max sreen on time if you conserve ir battery, excellent screen off time up to 2 days
kernels can fix but so far custom governor on t3 are not easy to do
best thing about ur choice is thd games
read the how to pick ur unit guide
finally multi tasking can be easily customized to ur needs using root
finally if most important for u is web browsing n not gaming go with the dual core version it has better screen on times
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Can you please give me a link to the guide you're talking about?

Tikerz said:
Several members had this issue with Amazon dealers. They received branded versions.
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Yeah. I considered sending it back right away, but it has been perfect otherwise. With all of the defects I read about, I figured I shouldn't take the chance and I could always custom rom it.
The one thing I love about Amazon is that the return would be no hassle.
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Branded version has carrier logo on it? What is the difference between branded and unbranded?
Also is there a way to fix the multitasking issue without removing sense? (I guess you don't have sense on custom roms)

tsukurimashou said:
Branded version has carrier logo on it? What is the difference between branded and unbranded?
Also is there a way to fix the multitasking issue without removing sense? (I guess you don't have sense on custom roms)
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No logo (other than HTC), but there was carrier bloatware on mine(T-mobile) and a carrier splash screen at boot up. The wireless hotspot works fine, so it's not like it's locked, but it was still annoying. Mine also defaulted to German, but that was easy to remedy.
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Ok thanks, I'd like some feedback from the people who have tested both US and Int version to know if there is big differences for battery life and perfs, for games I don't really care since I find gaming on touchscreen horrible, if there was something like a mini gamepad that you can connect on the USB port why not, but gaming on touch screen I don't care.
I want good multitasking, good battery life, storage (16gb is small considering data is limited in canada so I can't really use cloud), I don't care about LTE since my area is not covered (yet), I'd also want to know something about updates, are both phones updated at the same time when HTC release an update? Or one phone is updated more frequently than other?
EDIT: Just looked at amazon (http://www.amazon.com/HTC-S720E-Unlocked-Android-SmartPhone/dp/B0078LXM4A) and I found one unlocked but why all HTC one X don't have warranty?

[Q] Upgrade

Hi All,
Due to upgrade at the end of the month,I was looking at either the HTC One X or the Galaxy S3.
Can't decide on which, any recommendations on these or other phones?
Martin

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I personally would go with the Samsung, for the simple fact I need an SD card and would like to be able to pull the battery out when things go wrong instead of having to walk upstairs to connect it to my pc and adb reboot it.
I had a quick play with them both today at the phone shop in town and they are both amazingly fast, I know the HTC screen is better but I couldn't tell the difference between them, as for processors and gpu's I believe they are both equally matched at what they do, I've seen benchmarks that put each on top so really in my eyes its down to personal preferance. Ask in a shop if you can have a little play with them before you decide which you want.
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I disagree had a week with the samsung galaxy s3 and too be frank hated it the touch wiz is annoying and unhelpful and the design was cheap. The home button was also a big pain because it was sometimes unresponsive and didn't spring back as well as i had hoped.
I recently just changed to a htc one x, and undoubtably the best choice i have ever made, regarding a smartphone, the new sense is clean an intuitive and thanks to the super fast processor its just incredible. But one of my favourite things is the support for the rooting community so you will have zero trouble if your looking to install a custom rom of some sort or over clocking or what ever.
Plus samsung never update their phones so you will be stuck on ics forever.

tophatmonsters said:
Plus samsung never update their phones so you will be stuck on ics forever.
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Come off it, this is xda.........
The s3 will go far beyond ics wether there's an official update or not. They said we couldn't get gb on a wildfire and look at us now!
And from what I've been reading dev support for the s3 is also on the rise, in fact they have one of the best giving them full support.
Also you don't have to use tw just the same as you don't have to use sense if you don't like it.
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tophatmonsters said:
Plus samsung never update their phones so you will be stuck on ics forever.
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I'd say that the S2 got the update to ICS relatively quick, compared to other OEMs.

It won't make it past ics with official updates, people will have to use custom roms. also the the s 2 didnt get it very quickly ics was announced and released in october - November time and the s2 got updated in march i think. ( at least on my carrier )
Do you need an sd card slot with 32 gigs of space

Still rather go for the one x its fast, easy to root ( if on this forum its important to you) , lots of roms are available and its a phone that will easily last a two year contact with its great build.
Go with HOX on this one man

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It won't make it past ics with official updates, people will have to use custom roms. also the the s 2 didnt get it very quickly ics was announced and released in october - November time and the s2 got updated in march i think. ( at least on my carrier )
Do you need an sd card slot with 32 gigs of space
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Yes I do need an SD card with as much space as I can get, quite often my 16gb SD card is full and needs cleaning up, I have a limited data plan so the extra space (23gb) that you get from dropbox is still not feasible.
So Samsung don't do updates yet the s2 has an official ics update and I reckon there's more to come for it and others too.
Reading this makes me think that HTC haven't exactly been quick off the mark with it.
"The target timeline for announced devices is below. Because of partner and network testing, and approval processes for device updates, it can take up to 45 days for all carriers and countries to get the update after a rollout has begun.Device Schedule
DROID Incredible 2 by HTC To be determined (by the end of August)
HTC Amaze 4G May-June
HTC Desire S June-July
HTC Desire HD July-August
HTC EVO 3D June-July
HTC EVO 4G+ May-June
HTC EVO Design 4G June-July
HTC Incredible S June-July
HTC Sensation March-June
HTC Sensation 4G March-June
HTC Sensation XE March-June
HTC Sensation XL April-Jun
HTC Rezound June-July
HTC Rhyme June-July
HTC Thunderbolt July-August
HTC Velocity 4G March-June
HTC Vivid March-June"
Source http://www.xda-developers.com/android/htc-ics-update-schedule-released/
"I don't look for trouble it just kind of follows me around"

Ok, fine, you win. just saying in my opinion go for the HOX its good.

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