What You Need to Know About Windows Phone 7: Our Guide - Windows Phone 7 General

Source: pocketnow.com

So you did a c&p of this article? What's the point in that?
Also whoever wrote it seems to been living in a cave for the past two months...

Windcape said:
So you did a c&p of this article? What's the point in that?
Also whoever wrote it seems to been living in a cave for the past two months...
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The article is dated august 1st and was posted on front page so I decided to mirror it here, got a problem with that, tuff!

Yes, just post a link next time? That's the normal way of the internet.

Windcape said:
Yes, just post a link next time? That's the normal way of the internet.
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Err I think not!, as I said if you have a problem, tuff sh*t!, go and have a cry to mommy or troll somewhere else.

You fail to realize the article is horrible to read in the way it's formatted on the forum. It's much easier to read on the direct link.

Time to stop the arguing...

There's nothing untrue in the article.

Windcape said:
You fail to realize the article is horrible to read in the way it's formatted on the forum. It's much easier to read on the direct link.
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Yeah and you fail to realize that your talking arse gravy!
How on earth is this "horrible to read"? Are you on crack or something?
Again, go away and troll somewhere else little boy.
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Time to stop the arguing...
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Not arguing bud, This guy is just been a prat and trying to troll and im just defending myself. I was simply mirroring an article on the forum for archival/info purposes.
Can you kindly tell him to go stop acting like a dweeb and lay off the crack.
doministry said:
There's nothing untrue in the article.
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Indeed, its a nice rundown of info which is why I decided to mirror it here. This fartcape guy is just been a ahole, probably because his only source of social interaction is when he trolls a post and waits for a reaction, he needs to get laid and some friends.

Windscape, almost every thread in this forum has been ruined or derailed by your arguments and insults. You rarely have anything of any value to add, your arguments are often slavishly pro-Microsoft to the point that they become nonsensical and you seem to be incapable of responding to anyone with any respect.
If you can't control your temper or avoid trolling the forum then I suggest we'd all be better off (you included) if you just kept your opinions to yourself and refrained from posting. There's no point to this forum if every thread is going to be filled with nonsense posts from you.

Actually, copying and pasting an entire article is illegal as it's copyright infringement. You're permitted to quote sections as that's considered fair use. Having it reproduced here removes their ability to make money off of the ads to keep their site open.

Angry much? If you were the originator of the content then it's fine to do copy and paste it. But it's inappropriate to do that for someone else's work.

Bengal34 said:
Angry much? If you were the originator of the content then it's fine to do copy and paste it. But it's inappropriate to do that for someone else's work.
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If you a re referring to me, I was angry and windcape for trolling not him moaning because I c&p a article.
I put the author of article at beginning of work so its not as if its trying to claim it or anything its simply a mirror with link to source.
And whether you think its inappropriate or not is your problem not mine. I simply dont care.

Also it should be fair to mention when I wrote my post, he had invalid BBcode, wrong links, and didn't link the source at all.
But I'll leave this one alone, even I still think the article isn't very up to date.

TheATHEiST said:
If you a re referring to me, I was angry and windcape for trolling not him moaning because I c&p a article.
I put the author of article at beginning of work so its not as if its trying to claim it or anything its simply a mirror with link to source.
And whether you think its inappropriate or not is your problem not mine. I simply dont care.
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"I don't care" "I don't care" "I don't care" Like a record. [in jest, not anger]
My post was my opinion of proper forum etiquete. I was posting to agree with the stance of others in this thread. Why do you think I care if you do or not?

Windcape said:
Also it should be fair to mention when I wrote my post, he had invalid BBcode, wrong links, and didn't link the source at all.
But I'll leave this one alone, even I still think the article isn't very up to date.
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Bullsh*t
There may have been a small window of when I edited a part where there was a broken bbcode but that is irrelevant to the comments you made. There wasn't any broken links and the source was linked to from the beginning, it was the first bit a pasted, so you are talking out of your rusty sheriffs badge
Bengal34 said:
"I don't care" "I don't care" "I don't care" Like a record. [in jest, not anger]
My post was my opinion of proper forum etiquete. I was posting to agree with the stance of others in this thread. Why do you think I care if you do or not?
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Again I wasn't simply copying somebody work and claiming it I was mirroring a article and stated source quiet clearly at beginning.
And the "do not care" remark had nothing to do with me caring if you cared or not, I mean I dont care about whether its "appropriate" or not.
The post has been edited now anyway because of little girls crying so pointless discussion.

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Downgrade back to WM5?

My touchscreen has stopped working and I have upgraded to WM6. Due too "illegal" software on my phone it bounced at the service with a message that my warranty is not valid.
How can i downgrade my phone back to WM5?
Depending on your country/network, you may find an original WM5 rom on Wiki... this problem have ocurred a few times already, so do some searching... there's other threads out there on the subject already
search first then ask
PLZ search first then ask. Several times members discuss this issue.
READ and READ all about downgrade 2 WM5
http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41&Itemid=26
good luck
You have posted this same question in TWO THREADS! Quit being such a ****wit and actually SEARCH and READ!!!
LegolasTheElf said:
You have posted this same question in TWO THREADS! Quit being such a ****wit and actually SEARCH and READ!!!
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If you can't control your language stay off the Forum.
The The Trailer Park or the Jerry Springfield show is where that talk belongs - not here.
This is my second warning to you.
You constant barrage of swearing is more irritating than the Noob's stupid questions.
basilrsa said:
If you can't control your language stay off the Forum.
The The Trailer Park or the Jerry Springfield show is where that talk belongs - not here.
This is my second warning to you.
You constant barrage of swearing is more irritating than the Noob's stupid questions.
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My "second" warning? You mean you're cross-posting between threads like a n00b? Come on, actually engage your BRAIN before you post this type of drivel.
LegolasTheElf said:
My "second" warning? You mean you're cross-posting between threads like a n00b? Come on, actually engage your BRAIN before you post this type of drivel.
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I brought my Legolas secret decoder ring today... and what lego really meant to say is this " Your right, my language was offensive and i apologize, i would like to hop the first plane so that we can kiss make up!"
@lego.. play nice or i will edit your post's again i didnt do it this time but its a warning.. im watching you...
Now play nice people or dont play at all.... If you see a post that you feel is not intelligent or the OP didnt bother to search, then simply dont reply... IF no one replies it will force the OP to search for their answer...
fair thread plz
LegolasTheElf said:
You have posted this same question in TWO THREADS! Quit being such a ****wit and actually SEARCH and READ!!!
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Hi LegolasTheElf
If u mean me u r right, but not exact the same question.
Any how this thread for me is learning & updating my knowledge.
I learned me & just wane share my experience with another friends.
Thanx for your very nice word choice
I think members like Lego think they're doing people a favour by making such comments and that people will agree or praise them for their intervention, but as a member previously stated; it's more irritating and forum ban worthy than newbies just not bothering to search.
MrSmith22 said:
I think members like Lego think they're doing people a favour by making such comments and that people will agree or praise them for their intervention, but as a member previously stated; it's more irritating and forum ban worthy than newbies just not bothering to search.
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Odd, a quick scan of your 16 posts reveals that you've called people idiots, laughed at them, and a few other niceties. It's so nice to know that the people throwing stones at me at so pure of heart themselves.
All i want to say is thaT the guy who sent of his phone for repair with Wm6 on it, is an idiot. It wouldnt surprise me if M$ went after you. And as far as legolas i dont think he's that bad. Maybe the way hes acting will deter noobs away and prevent them from posting useless threads and force them to start using the search button more often. . But anyways hope everyone is having an awesome day
deviusdragger said:
and force them to start using the search button more often. . But anyways hope everyone is having an awesome day
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Hi dev
He answered me by this kind of words and heard me cos I just said “search then ask” #3
So I don’t know what’s wrong with this. NOW CALM DOWN and just go on friends
What the heck is this place coming to?
basilrsa said:
If you can't control your language stay off the Forum.
The The Trailer Park or the Jerry Springfield show is where that talk belongs - not here.
This is my second warning to you.
You constant barrage of swearing is more irritating than the Noob's stupid questions.
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Thank you, basilrsa. Hope there's a substantial 3-strike penalty.
LegolasTheElf said:
Odd, a quick scan of your 16 posts reveals that you've called people idiots, laughed at them, and a few other niceties. It's so nice to know that the people throwing stones at me at so pure of heart themselves.
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Err... I called one person an idiot for making a joke which I thought was funny. The other posts were about people like you. Quit whining.
shogunmark said:
I brought my Legolas secret decoder ring today... and what lego really meant to say is this " Your right, my language was offensive and i apologize, i would like to hop the first plane so that we can kiss make up!"
@lego.. play nice or i will edit your post's again i didnt do it this time but its a warning.. im watching you...
Now play nice people or dont play at all.... If you see a post that you feel is not intelligent or the OP didnt bother to search, then simply dont reply... IF no one replies it will force the OP to search for their answer...
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Thanks Shogunmark,
I really think it's time for an overhaul of this Forum.
This Forum should be representative of decent individuals who know how to behave.
Should the Moderators not start taking strict control of the postings on the various threads, XDA-Developers will loose credibility and become a circus.
Stupid questions must simply be removed and misbehavers banned.
I for one would not like to be associated with the kind of behaviour that certain senior members display.
@pvs - Thanks
@devius- A foul mouther never solved a problem
@MrSmith - Agreed
NOW LET'S STICK TO THE RULES OF COMMON DECENCY
basilrsa said:
Thanks Shogunmark,
I really think it's time for an overhaul of this Forum.
This Forum should be representative of decent individuals who know how to behave.
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Good. I agree. The n00bs should leave, and you with them. Go to HoFo or some other dumb site where everyone can have a great love-in and chat about all the different ways you can change your wallpaper, and how the Telco's charge you to change the wallpaper, because, well, it must be true because they sell it themselves online!
I'm not interested in group-think and silliness like this. The true thinkers understand the issue. All the little sheep on here that can't see past the drivel that's been force-fed to them by the state, the church, or whatever the hell nonsense you're believing, don't see it as an issue. They also don't see their actions as selfless. No, not selfless in the common sense. But in the sense that they have lost their sense of self. It's no longer decent for me to attack them, but it is decent for them to waste everyone's time by not searching themselves.
Everyone on here that is screaming that I and others like me are doing something wrong, while essentially condoning the actions of those who have no respect for anyone else, have got it wrong. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that you, the whining masses, telling me that I am doing something wrong, are the victims here. Victimized not by me or the noobs, but, by the very nature of society that says that it is better to be polite than to be honest. That it is far more valuable to be a sheep than a leader. Take a few seconds to think about what I'm writing, not merely to dismiss it. You'll see I'm right. You may disagree with the method, but, you can't disagree with the opinion.
basilrsa said:
Thanks Shogunmark,
I really think it's time for an overhaul of this Forum.
This Forum should be representative of decent individuals who know how to behave.
Should the Moderators not start taking strict control of the postings on the various threads, XDA-Developers will loose credibility and become a circus.
Stupid questions must simply be removed and misbehavers banned.
I for one would not like to be associated with the kind of behaviour that certain senior members display.
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Or you COULD do what I've begun doing. The forums have a neat feature called an "Ignore List". Mine currently has three individuals who have earned acceptance status, and yes, a couple of them are sadly regular contributors and senior members.
I also boycott their threads, and thus, I rarely see any of their posts. The only time it happens is when somebody Quotes their childish vitriol in his/her own posts.
Shogunmark has the best solution to the underlying problem, though. Simply DON'T ANSWER any ridiculous posts that show no-effort on the part of the poster. If you ignore something, it tends to go away. But any response (even a negative one) tends to be a positive reinforcer for the behavior you're trying to reduce.
At any rate, bringing the entire forum's professionalism down by showing how many four-letter words your can string into a sentence is not the solution. But as the members who practice this are limited in number and predictable, the Ignore Lists work a treat.
-pvs
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Thank you, basilrsa. Hope there's a substantial 3-strike penalty.
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I agree. Definately. The third useless and irrelevant post made by a n00b on the same question should result in a ban.
Legolas,
You are right, the true thinkers do understand the issue. There are two issues though...the n00b questions and the pompous, intellectual snobs such as yourself who regularly ignore simple courtesies. If I wanted what is essentially verbal abuse, I'd go visit my in-laws.
I don't think anyone wants MORE n00b/repeated/irrelevent questions, but your delivery kills the message.
It's not better to be polite or honest but last time I checked, the two are not mutually exclusive.

Add a feature for senior members to mod their own threads?

I have no idea if this is even possible in vBulletin. I tried to google but didn't come up with anything so it might not be... but I figured I would make my case anyways.
It would be awesome if a senior member was capable of moderating their own thread. I know that as a rom developer for the cdma hero and a kitchen programmer, a thread can VERY quickly get out of control. It makes it impossible for someone that hasn't checked the thread in a few days (or hours) to find anything.
I think rather than asking a mod to take time out of their day to try and clean up posts isn't nice to them either.
So I'll ask... is it possible to add a feature for a senior member to be able to moderate a thread that they are the OP on. If it is but xda doesn't want to do that, what are the negative side effects that I'm not seeing? I figure if you are able to limit it to senior member and to their own threads then any shenanigans from this new power would mostly be avoided.
Thanks all!
This has been mentioned before. AFAIK, we have not yet found such a plugin.
Thanks,
Dave
The only negative side is that, "Senior Member" is just a title, I think you get it after like 100 posts? If this was to be implemented it should be like 500 posts to become Senior Member.
It does seem like a good idea, I think though, that some people would delete their posts that offend and then they can claim that they never said anything. This would have to be very carefully thought out and planned if this is possible to implement, because I know some people would use it for bad purposes.
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The only negative side is that, "Senior Member" is just a title, I think you get it after like 100 posts? If this was to be implemented it should be like 500 posts to become Senior Member.
It does seem like a good idea, I think though, that some people would delete their posts that offend and then they can claim that they never said anything. This would have to be very carefully thought out and planned if this is possible to implement, because I know some people would use it for bad purposes.
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What the OP is asking for is the equivalent of being able to throw someone in jail while that someone is in your house doing something that you believe shouldn't be done in the first place.
I think Uncle Ben said it better... "with great power, comes great responsibility"... and I don't believe that half the Senior members in this site are ready for that .
egzthunder1 said:
What the OP is asking for is the equivalent of being able to throw someone in jail while that someone is in your house doing something that you believe shouldn't be done in the first place.
I think Uncle Ben said it better... "with great power, comes great responsibility"... and I don't believe that half the Senior members in this site are ready for that .
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Yeah, thats why I said its not a good idea.
You can already help the moderators by reporting anybad conduct, it makes it easier since all they have to do is look at the post and edit it or delete it or ban.
~~Tito~~ said:
The only negative side is that, "Senior Member" is just a title, I think you get it after like 100 posts? If this was to be implemented it should be like 500 posts to become Senior Member.
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Very agree!!
or even 1000
orb3000 said:
Very agree!!
or even 1000
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Yeah, or maybe like a automated PM that makes you submit a small paragraph asking certian questions and stuff. Respected people get it faster, newer unknown people take longer to get the status.
orb3000 said:
Very agree!!
or even 1000
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+1
I have to agree, Even though I am below 1000...lol
I look at is as a maturity process!
1-100 See if you wanna stick around and learn...
101-500 Learn how to work with others, learn basics or what path you wanna purse....apps, themes, cooking etc...
501-1000 Work with Old time members, get involved in projects, help noobs....learn how to ignore fights/flamers!
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I have to agree, Even though I am below 1000...lol
I look at is as a maturity process!
1-100 See if you wanna stick around and learn...
101-500 Learn how to work with others, learn basics or what path you wanna purse....apps, themes, cooking etc...
501-1000 Work with Old time members, get involved in projects, help noobs....learn how to ignore fights/flamers!
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1001 and up: You have serious problems, like ORD
orb3000 said:
1001 and up: You have serious problems, like ORD
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8000+ = Orb3000 .
orb3000 said:
1001 and up: You have serious problems, like ORD
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I am an early bloomer and already there with ORD...
Life is tough...lol...
But I dont really have a problem I just......wait is that the HTC Incredible being released......lol
Yep, a 1,000 would definately narrow down the senior field
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Yep, a 1,000 would definately narrow down the senior field
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Yes it would. I think this should be more of a granted title, not earned, because some people still dont really act like it lol.
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Yep, a 1,000 would definately narrow down the senior field
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I agree, I was miffed that i got the title after only 100 posts, it's like who cares. Now 1000 would be much nicer, even though i'm only 5th of the way there
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8000+ = Orb3000 .
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8000+ still a noob
So it seems that everyone agrees, just with the caveat that the "senior member" should be a higher number of posts. Or possibly even a second level at 500 or 1000 posts, and THAT'S the level you have to hit in order to be able to moderate your own posts.
I actually tried to go post on vBulletin's support forum but it appears that you need to buy support in order to even be able to create a new post there? Kind of crazy. Ha. I'll keep looking to see if I can find a plugin, because without it this doesn't even exist as an option.
Thanks for the feedback all.
Edit: I don't know enough about vB's settings but according to ChopSuey (a vB coder) this should already be possible: http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1919340&postcount=11. What he says makes it sounds like that would allow someone to modify any thread, and not their own. But you would think a coder of the app would know. Ha. Maybe it requires version 4.x? I know xda has been talking about upgrading for a while.
We're looking for a way in vB to allow certain people (of a given usergroup) to moderate their own threads. If anyone finds a way, please let me know!
it wouldn't do to simply count posts
there's users having an amazing amount of redundancy, repetition and even irrelevance (chat like) accumulating their post counts that wouldn't be considered with this method alone
the title (if differentiated more fine grained than junior, member, senior) would only be meaningful if it was combined with e.g. a user rating (reputation), derived from other users
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DrakenKorin said:
it wouldn't do to simply count posts
there's users having an amazing amount of redundancy, repetition and even irrelevance (chat like) accumulating their post counts that wouldn't be considered with this method alone
the title (if differentiated more fine grained than junior, member, senior) would only be meaningful if it was combined with e.g. a user rating (reputation), derived from other users
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That would require members to rate other members and even though the ability to do that exists (at least for threads), hardly anyone does it.
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orb is so deep into ORD that his can be considered a chronic case of ORD (and not because of # of posts)

Dealing With New Users

This idea came about from a discussion, in the old requests to mods & admins thread, about dealing with new users across this site.
When I say dealing with new users, I mean how you respond to either posts where the user clearly hasn't searched, the user has done something they shouldn't have done etc etc.
Some users will simply report the members post and leave it down to the moderators to deal with. Some will respond with sarcasm/trolling/flaming. Some will simply give the person the correct information and mention nothing about what they've done wrong and others, like me, may feel the need to rant away at some users.
With me, if someone has done something they shouldn't have done, I won't ever report it. I'll only report a post if it's something serious like racism or illegal content. I'll generally give tell the person nicely what it is they've done wrong and what they should've done instead.
Obviously, doing so won't always work and the new member will continue doing wrong. I'll then PM the member and explain it to them fully away from public view.
However, if I come across a situation where a user has done wrong, and after being told so numerous times even by different people, that's when I'll step in and rant at them. My rants are never harsh and can never be mistaken for such. I simply tell them what they've done wrong and what they should've done, but I write it in such a way where it makes it seem angrier and makes the message sink in.
I'm interested to know what others opinions are on this and how you personally deal with such situations.
I already know that if moderators drop by in here, they'll probably say it's best to use the report feature but I'd like to hear everyone's opinions anyway
what i try to do is tell them as nicely as i can (not really that nice, but i don't flame) where they're wrong. i do realize mods are busy and i avoid reporting until i've given the new member at least a warning. i do report immediately when the issue is serious (ie: spamming in dev threads, warez, etc.).
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I try to point out their mistakes. Then I explain (nicely) that xxx shouldn't have done yyyy. It doesn't hurt to be well-mannered. The member usually realizes his/her mistake and (tries to at least) never repeats it, hopefully.
I usually don't flame anyone.. I just reply them where they should have actually reported or posted it with link to that threads or forums.. and I ask them to post in proper section from next times.. usually using "please" or such words makes it better I feel.. they will feel we are trying to help them not to get in trouble in future and such.. and hopefully they will follow the advice in future..
But if I see same guy after been told does the same mistake.. then I report them..
Also I will report all wrong threads using PM with link to thread directly to our device mod as he is friendly and doesn't mind such PMs..
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Great idea for a thread. I saw a very good post by FallenSpartan that really helped explain in the old mod requests thread, but I can't find it, must have been deleted. Anyways, the bottom line is, the person on the other side that computer could be anyone. For all you know, they could barely be able to speak English, or even have a mental disability . People need to be a little more understanding, trolling and flaming will only frustrate people and confuse them even more. A polite but pointed request to search next time and that the information is out there along with a link to it would be ideal in my opinion. The new users might not entirely grasp the concept of what's going on and how to easily search, and that information isn't exactly readily available. I know it is out there, but speaking from personal experience, I didn't go anywhere outside of my device's forum for quite some time after joining, not that I didn't know how to do those things. Point is, while the idea of searching and finding information for yourself is commonplace to you, it may not be to new users, and I don't think the importance of finding your own information is stressed enough for new members. While you may get angry and feel the need to rant and flame, it won't be nearly as effective at changing the way people act compared to a polite and firm request with the info attached, and possibly even what you did to find the information.
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@cascabel & nitubhaskar - I used to find that reporting would work, especially considering that's what the mods always say is the best option rather than dealing with it yourself, but if I was to report all those who were report worthy, I'd never get anything else done lol.
Plus, the way I see it, if someone gets reported and a mod deals with it, there's generally no explanation as to why their post was wrong. Doing it in such a way that I do, it tells them what others tell them but seems to stick in their mind more because of the way it was written.
@sgt. meow - I guess with your forum being a fairly quiet forum, there's generally no need to do more than you do, as in such a forum people like that are really easy to notice and take action against if needed.
@prototype - I saw that post by FS aswell and I do agree with what he said. It could quite easily be a disabled person or someone with learning difficulties etc. but as of the time of the rants, I don't think about that because I just think about the fact they've constantly done the wrong thing.
Maybe I should put more consideration into things like that, but I just don't.
And while I do kind of agree that some people may be more open to listening if you actually help them out, as said above, in my experience ranting works.
It's not as if I rant at people all the time. That's truly not the case. The majority of the time I'll either help them in the thread by directing them to the right course of action or I'll PM them. It's only in certain situations that I feel a rant is actually necessary, whether others agree with that or not.
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KidCarter93 said:
@cascabel & nitubhaskar -
Plus, the way I see it, if someone gets reported and a mod deals with it, there's generally no explanation as to why their post was wrong. Doing it in such a way that I do, it tells them what others tell them but seems to stick in their mind more because of the way it was written.
It's not as if I rant at people all the time. That's truly not the case. The majority of the time I'll either help them in the thread by directing them to the right course of action or I'll PM them.
I've been approved by Snowflake. Jealous?
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Actually you are right.. it helps them if we say what wrong they did and also give info what they asked in same post.. but I hope they won't feel that, even if he/she did made a wrong/ mistake they will get the quick info they need without any effort kinda feeling..
About mods not giving info on why they delete posts /lock threads.. well considering their busy work I guess its understandable..
But our forum mod The-Captain always kindly leaves a note for user as far as I have seen.. and I send PM only after I inform the newbie most of the times.. so both deeds are done.. lesson reached and reported
About your ranting...
Lol.. no way.. as far as I have seen your posts.. well your patience is pretty high.. ocassionally I have seen you going angry.. otherwise you are kind enough to give info and inform them of their mistakes.. well that's my observation.. excluding your device forum though
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It's in the XDA rules to be nice to other members, whether new or old. So even if noob posts a warez content i never flame or troll him. Yeah, i do wanna give him a scolding but i don't. I'm gonna simply report it. Yes, i do sometimes post a reply or give him a PM, requesting him to remove the content with a link to the rules.
If a user dosen't search :-
Suppose a noob has bricked his phone, and creates a thread asking for help. In many cases of not searching, i advise users to search, but in these particular cases, i give 'em a link to the specific thread too.
If someone (racially) discriminates another user, i simply report him/her. Flaming him with sarcastic remarks might earn me a few thanks, (maybe) suppress the guy down, but it still isn't good for two reasons - one, as it's against the rules, two, as it proves that you're not a bit different from the user.
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How I respond depends on a new users thread, if it's to ask something particular then I'll either not reply or provide a link that's related or helps directly, if it's a new thread asking "how to root", how to unlock the boot loader", "how to install this ROM", "what's the best ROM" (there's at least 20+ threads asking that or similar in the Arc section in the last month or two) or asking about something in an existing thread that they could have just asked their question in, then I tend to be a bit more, how shall I say this, sarcastically direct :silly:, which some People take on the chin, and if they get it then I'll try to be more helpful, but you get the odd one or two who take umbrage then want to argue, needless to say I don't help that kind of user.
People joining here should be of a certain aptitude to begin imo and willing to learn, I'm much more inclined to help a user who has shown a bit of initiative but a lot are just sheer lazy and the amount of things that get asked that could be answered in the stickys amazes me.
But then you still get senior members who act like they've never been here before also, so I'm the same with them too. :angel:
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@cascabel & nitubhaskar - I used to find that reporting would work, especially considering that's what the mods always say is the best option rather than dealing with it yourself, but if I was to report all those who were report worthy, I'd never get anything else done lol.
Plus, the way I see it, if someone gets reported and a mod deals with it, there's generally no explanation as to why their post was wrong. Doing it in such a way that I do, it tells them what others tell them but seems to stick in their mind more because of the way it was written.
@sgt. meow - I guess with your forum being a fairly quiet forum, there's generally no need to do more than you do, as in such a forum people like that are really easy to notice and take action against if needed.
@prototype - I saw that post by FS aswell and I do agree with what he said. It could quite easily be a disabled person or someone with learning difficulties etc. but as of the time of the rants, I don't think about that because I just think about the fact they've constantly done the wrong thing.
Maybe I should put more consideration into things like that, but I just don't.
And while I do kind of agree that some people may be more open to listening if you actually help them out, as said above, in my experience ranting works.
It's not as if I rant at people all the time. That's truly not the case. The majority of the time I'll either help them in the thread by directing them to the right course of action or I'll PM them. It's only in certain situations that I feel a rant is actually necessary, whether others agree with that or not.
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Your ranting works. That's because you've already told them what they're screwing up multiple times and just need to get it into their heads that they can't keep doing whatever they're doing. Ranting without giving any reasoning or advice isn't so effective.
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I mention what they did wrong and just report it or send a pm to a moderator...Don't like making the situation worse
I got transformed into a potato while writing this post..
Well, I always try to understand the situation of the user, I mean on the SGSII forums,for example, I've recognize some users that always post questions instead of search even if the answer it's on the previous page, to them, I ask nicely to search but also I remember that me or some other user told him yet that please follow the rules and search before of post.
In the case of the total newbie users, mostly, I guide them to the thread, post or forum that they need but also, I mention that the rules are clear and need start to search before.
Sometimes I do the recomendation of put (in the next post that they do) where they search or how, if they do it yet, in that way we can give a better help (maybe it's not searching by the right terms or something like that)
I'm totally hate the flame to an user, when I see a post that could be the probably cause of a flame war I report it ASAP. And also, when I see someone flaming I ask nicely to stop because it's against the rules.
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When I first started, I advised them on the said thread itself, giving as much help as I could. I would wait for a response before PM-ing him/her about what they did and how to avoid getting into more trouble. Along the way, I realised that the more I tried to be nice to them, the more they would just step on me and act as if nothing has happened. The final straw was when this one guy, started hurling abuse at me for pointing out his mistake, vandalised my ROM thread and IRC channel. Soon after more and more hate PM's started to arise. Now I don't bother with wrong do-ers. I find them guilty, I report them. If it get's out of hand, I'll give a sarcastic yet hard hitting post that he/she will never forget. I know it's wrong and some of them will hate me till the rest of their days, but I find monkeys like these only listen to a nice warm infraction instead of kind words. Now I just focus on bug related problems in my forum. Common courtesy is eroding in new users everywhere. Sorry, but this is what more than a year in XDA has made me into . No, I will not change my ways
What I do when users keep posting ETAs/refuse to oblige when told politely - I usually post a image showing what I mean.e.g.facepalm for repeated ETA.it seems to work because-
1.the user seems embarrassed on seeing an actual expression of a person in the image e.g.facepalm.
2.more effective than a wall of post.
3.stands out, no need to read.
4.based on same principle of pie-diagrams, frequency polygons, bar diagrams - more attractive, more efficient.
"your lips move, but I cannot hear what you're saying..."
Bumping for mods/admins to get involved
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KidCarter93 said:
Bumping for mods/admins to get involved
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I don't think they will.
||I'm just a PM away for help||
anasdcool71 said:
I don't think they will.
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I don't think they will either, but it's worth a try.
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And it seemed to work, that bump.
On topic:
Simply abide the rules. If you see someone breaking the rules (e.g. posting warez, flaming, spamming, etc) report it, using the "!" button on the post. The report will be picked up by a moderator and will be registered, in case we need to review afterwards. Of course, if it's a minor offence, a PM to a mod is ok too.
But how to deal with new users who just ask alot of questions and don't know our "netiquette"?
Try a calm approach and tell them to use the Search function ALOT.
Just remember one thing and live by it: We all were newbs at one time.
Good to see this discussion, shows people care.
Big multiquote coming in 3, 2, 1....
nitubhaskar said:
I usually don't flame anyone.. I just reply them where they should have actually reported or posted it with link to that threads or forums.. and I ask them to post in proper section from next times.. usually using "please" or such words makes it better I feel.. they will feel we are trying to help them not to get in trouble in future and such.. and hopefully they will follow the advice in future..
But if I see same guy after been told does the same mistake.. then I report them..
Also I will report all wrong threads using PM with link to thread directly to our device mod as he is friendly and doesn't mind such PMs..
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Using common courtesy will go leaps and bounds to remedy the situation. People sometimes do need a not-so-gentle nudging on how things work, but also a simple Please and Thanks can go much further. Otherwise if you flame them for posting something that has been asked just a few pages back, this place can get the mob mentality and all of a sudden, that one comment has turned into 4 pages of dribble that usually has to be cleaned by us and sometimes results in infractions for 1 or more members. Nobody wants that, right?
****The one thing that everyone should do is put on their way-back-hats and remember is when they were first tinkering with their phone and messed something up. Do you remember that Panic Mode your were in? :crying: Palms all sweaty, reading 5-6-7 pages at a time. Thinking that you just bricked your $600usd device. It sucks big time. I've been there many times (long ago )
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About mods not giving info on why they delete posts /lock threads.. well considering their busy work I guess its understandable..
But our forum mod The-Captain always kindly leaves a note for user as far as I have seen.. and I send PM only after I inform the newbie most of the times.. so both deeds are done.. lesson reached and reported
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We generally try to leave a message as to why a thread was closed or moved. It isn't really a rule but again more of a common courtesy.
Also, The-Captain That guy is a class act. Nice, friendly and efficient. :good::good::good:
anasdcool71 said:
It's in the XDA rules to be nice to other members, whether new or old.
Suppose a noob has bricked his phone, and creates a thread asking for help. In many cases of not searching, i advise users to search, but in these particular cases, i give 'em a link to the specific thread too.
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Actually it isn't in the rules to be nice per se. But Rule #10 does say,
10. Help others if you can
If you see posts from others where you can help out, please do. This place exists because people are helping each other, and even if you are relatively new to the matter, there's probably already quite a few people newer than you that would benefit from what you've learned. Don't be shy.
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******
Giving a link is great and I do it all the time. But where does that cross the line of you doing their searching for them. I find if it is obscure enough, i will give a link, but the Department of Redundancy Department questions don't get such treatment, if you know what I mean.
loneagl said:
What I do when users keep posting ETAs/refuse to oblige when told politely - I usually post a image showing what I mean.e.g.facepalm for repeated ETA.it seems to work because-
1.the user seems embarrassed on seeing an actual expression of a person in the image e.g.facepalm.
2.more effective than a wall of post.
3.stands out, no need to read.
4.based on same principle of pie-diagrams, frequency polygons, bar diagrams - more attractive, more efficient.
"your lips move, but I cannot hear what you're saying..."
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I have done this more often than not. A simple picture can change the whole attitude of the thread. But not some stupid meme that has a personal attack or durogotory in any manner. I have one picture of a kid sticking a butter knife into a wall outlet and it say "nOOb" on it. Something as simple as that can change the tone and the OP wil make light of it and figure out where he went wrong. Sometimes not though and I have had it backfire on me a few times as well. But then in my next post, I would gently explain why I posted a picture and then guide them in the right direction. Some people tend to remember the visual, so the next time they want to start a thread, they may in-fact remember my picture and not the 4 pages of flaming they received.
KidCarter93 said:
I don't think they will either, but it's worth a try.
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Now you have an SM and FSM.
Edit::: One thing that I forgot to mention was the shear numbers we have here. At any given time there are between 35 & 50k users online. That's huge. If you Google anything about mobile/tablets, XDA is almost always at the top and at the very least top 5. That is some tough numbers we're dealing with.
That's really a big multi-quote! And quite a big explanation!!
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Actually it isn't in the rules to be nice per se.
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I suppose it is under rule #2.5. And also under rule #10, as you stated.
||I'm just a PM away for help||

[Q] error 7 applying 4.2 update galaxy nexus

It said it finished the download, it loads the clockwork recovery...
I then select the up[date stuff.... and then it spews this error 7...
any idea's on how to fix this? all the other updates from 4.0 to 4.1 and from 4.1.1 to 4.1.2 with CWM went just fine...
use the search tool.
Zepius said:
use the search tool.
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instead of wasting that space with your useless post, you could have either helped the op or just not have posted. your post is just as bad a whats the best rom/kernel thread, if not worse.
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Dutch2005 said:
It said it finished the download, it loads the clockwork recovery...
I then select the up[date stuff.... and then it spews this error 7...
any idea's on how to fix this? all the other updates from 4.0 to 4.1 and from 4.1.1 to 4.1.2 with CWM went just fine...
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are you flashing the right version rom for your device? all gnex arent the same. you cant flash a gsm rom on a verizon device for example. also, do you have the latest cwm recovery installed? try twrp recovery. also, have you tried just redownloading the rom and flashing again?
instead of wasting that space with your useless post, you could have either helped the op or just not have posted. your post is just as bad a whats the best rom/kernel thread, if not worse.
A useless post in a useless thread is rain in the ocean. Much like this post. However, status 7 error is easily one of the top 5 beat to death questions on xda. So I'd say, in the interest of usefulness, informing OP of his folly is progress towards sparing the community useless threads, whilst posting the actual information, for the ten thousandth time on xda, is actually not encouraging anything. I call 'em like I see 'em.
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instead of wasting that space with your useless post, you could have either helped the op or just not have posted. your post is just as bad a whats the best rom/kernel thread, if not worse.
A useless post in a useless thread is rain in the ocean. Much like this post. However, status 7 error is easily one of the top 5 beat to death questions on xda. So I'd say, in the interest of usefulness, informing OP of his folly is progress towards sparing the community useless threads, whilst posting the actual information, for the ten thousandth time on xda, is actually not encouraging anything. I call 'em like I see 'em.
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if we go your route, then just about every issue in human existence has been written about, posted about, talked about, etc. then there is no point in having any kind of forums, from child raising, to car buying, to xda. might as well just shut them all down because all information is available somewhere already, from a library, to the internet, to stone slabs. but we are all imperfect humans, that do imperfect things. just remember, anything that you will ever ask in your lifetime, or have asked, has been asked already and answered. go search for it instead of bugging your family, friends, teachers, government officials, doctors, or stranger that walks past you on the street with any kind of question.
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instead of wasting that space with your useless post, you could have either helped the op or just not have posted. your post is just as bad a whats the best rom/kernel thread, if not worse.
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no its not. there have been 10 threads that i know of dealing with the same thing in the past 2 days.
In the grand scheme of things, and an idealized, purely general, take on existence, you're unquestionably correct. But that excellent segue into reclassifying a cited instance aside, this topic hardly warrants profound defense, in the interest of benevolent information exchange. To your response I would say that this is more akin to asking the manufacturer of your product to read you the instructions. A needless request for assistance, for something that has been more than reasonably supplied already.
Subscribed.
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In the grand scheme of things, and an idealized, purely general, take on existence, you're unquestionably correct. But that excellent segue into reclassifying a cited instance aside, this topic hardly warrants profound defense, in the interest of benevolent information exchange. To your response I would say that this is more akin to asking the manufacturer of your product to read you the instructions. A needless request for assistance, for something that has been more than reasonably supplied already.
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I see your point, but I see it more like having a 1,000 page instruction manual and asking someone (or the manufacturer) where the info is located in the book (that's the core idea of a Table of Contents). Just because someone has all the data in their possession, doesn't mean they know where to look or could really understand what they're even reading. But asking someone for help with understanding the instruction manual is totally normal (that's the exact idea behind why there are THOUSANDS of tutorial videos on Youtube and tutorial sites in general). So if someone said "Hey, where in this 1,000 page manual is the answer I'm looking for?" An answer of "The info is there in the book, go look for it" would be pointless.
Back on topic, with error 7, just reboot the recovery (preferably using TWRP) and try again.
^^
And, update TWRP. They've fixed it.
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A needless request for assistance, for something that has been more than reasonably supplied already.
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any request for assistance is not needless. the op has a need anyways. i am more than happy to assist anyone in need of assistance. if youre not, you dont have to, no one is making you.
I can see you're train of thought, and I can appreciate that. In any case, you're also correct about getting our young status 7's thread back on track lol didn't mean to hijack.
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no its not. there have been 10 threads that i know of dealing with the same thing in the past 2 days.
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heres something that you asked, by starting a new thread, that a simple search would have answered your question.. why didnt you search? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1085472
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what are the versions of the stock radio? ive been getting worse battery life with the newer radios.
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let there be 100 threads started. if someone asks for help, i, and others, are willing to help. if you are not, thats ok, just stfu and ignore the thread.

Unintended side effects of 10 post rule

I understand what the 10-post rule is for - it's to prevent really dumb questions getting in the way of productive work, in addition to preventing spam, obviously. But it can be a big problem for some people.
XDA is pretty much the only forum out there regarding the jailbreak for Windows RT. I'm working on some stuff, including a newly improved jailbreak, but I have no way to talk about it in these forums due to the 10-post rule. I'm a competent programmer who has been reverse engineering for many of her programming years, but can't find anyone to talk to about it. It's clear that I can make some contribution to the RT jailbreak community, as small as it is.
As for trying to get to 10 posts, how can I do that? I have an iPhone, not an Android. I don't know anything at all about Android jailbreaking or flashing, nor would I have any questions to ask about it. The forums I can post to don't really talk about anything outside of Android devices.
By the way, I ported the open source Windows debug tool Process Hacker to Windows RT. Of course, the Process Hacker forum on SourceForge has forced moderation, and apparently their mods haven't been online in a week, so my posts from this weekend haven't showed up yet. Similar situation to here, I guess, except for a different cause.
As for why I'm posting this, well, this is post number 4 out of 10...
You could try pm'ing a senior mod stating and proving that you are a dev and they might lift that restriction off you. But i don't know how long they might take to process that.
Just go to offtopic forum and post anything you want
Hit thanks if I have helped
caponer said:
Just go to offtopic forum and post anything you want
Hit thanks if I have helped
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Nope, its wrong.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1773593
Myriachan said:
I understand what the 10-post rule is for - it's to prevent really dumb questions getting in the way of productive work, in addition to preventing spam, obviously. But it can be a big problem for some people.
XDA is pretty much the only forum out there regarding the jailbreak for Windows RT. I'm working on some stuff, including a newly improved jailbreak, but I have no way to talk about it in these forums due to the 10-post rule. I'm a competent programmer who has been reverse engineering for many of her programming years, but can't find anyone to talk to about it. It's clear that I can make some contribution to the RT jailbreak community, as small as it is.
As for trying to get to 10 posts, how can I do that? I have an iPhone, not an Android. I don't know anything at all about Android jailbreaking or flashing, nor would I have any questions to ask about it. The forums I can post to don't really talk about anything outside of Android devices.
By the way, I ported the open source Windows debug tool Process Hacker to Windows RT. Of course, the Process Hacker forum on SourceForge has forced moderation, and apparently their mods haven't been online in a week, so my posts from this weekend haven't showed up yet. Similar situation to here, I guess, except for a different cause.
As for why I'm posting this, well, this is post number 4 out of 10...
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A lot of us understand the issue you are posing here. I'm a Windows programmer, but I still had to follow the 10 post rule too. All of us did. There is a forum somewhere, lord knows there are plenty here, where you can post to help someone else out. I didn't know hardly anything about Android when I signed up here at XDA, but I did manage to contribute, and with out complaining about the rules. And now, a year later, I'm a Recognized Contributor. So, it's not that hard.
Rules are rules. Whether here, or out in the real world, they still stand.
coolsandie said:
Nope, its wrong.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1773593
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No you are, I am a senior member and I know how things work
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No you are, I am a senior member and I know how things work
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Actually brother, you're wrong. You may barley be a Senior Member, but myself and coolsandie are RC's. I think it's time for you to reread the rules.
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No you are, I am a senior member and I know how things work
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I just LOLed. And I never LOL. Did you read the link? Or is there some type of "best buddie" joke going on here?
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I just LOLed. And I never LOL. Did you read the link? Or is there some type of "best buddie" joke going on here?
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Check out his post history. This is why people want the number to be higher.
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Actually brother, you're wrong. You may barley be a Senior Member, but myself and coolsandie are RC's. I think it's time for you to reread the rules.
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Oh yea baby, RC is next on my list
caponer said:
No you are, I am a senior member and I know how things work
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I'm tempted to put you back to junior member because you clearly have no idea.
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Oh yea baby, RC is next on my list
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Well if those are you're intentions, this isn't the way to get there. Best of luck...
@conantroutman
I'm outta Thanks for the day. I'll get ya tomorrow
conantroutman said:
I'm tempted to put you back to junior member because you clearly have no idea.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
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I believe the words of mtm apply here
DOOOOOOOOOOOOO EEEEEEEEEEEET!1!!!!1111!1!1!!11
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And op, you're at 10 now. 3 of your posts were spent btching about the rule. Good job. I hope you feel you have contributed to the forum by complaining about a simple request that is made that you make 10 useful posts before posting in the dev area.
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we all know the side effects of the rule. no need for noobs to drone on about it
conantroutman said:
I'm tempted to put you back to junior member because you clearly have no idea.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
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Oh, please do.
The person who reads too much and uses his brain too little will fall into lazy habits of thinking.
—Albert Einstein
conantroutman said:
I'm tempted to put you back to junior member because you clearly have no idea.
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