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Download official stock froyo zip. Beta to Official.

I downloaded the leaked beta and it messed up my phone and put it into a reboot cycle. I try and update before it reboot but it says im up to date. I need the official update in a zip.
Stock unrooted official
Thanks

I take it you have not SEARCHED the board.... cause its here
sent with my evo from a secret place

i did thankyou and you dont have to be a jerk. With the ammount of time u took to type that comment u could have linked me to it. Kindness

Hey Nut.
It was about 4 threads below yours:
The title is: [ROM] Official HTC OTA 2.2 Update to Froyo for the EVO!
(Can't post links yet)

xRepinsSporx said:
i did thankyou and you dont have to be a jerk. With the ammount of time u took to type that comment u could have linked me to it. Kindness
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I could have but the link is 4 or 5 post down
But you searched right
sent with my evo from a secret place

Sporkman said:
I could have but the link is 4 or 5 post down
But you searched right
sent with my evo from a secret place
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That doesnt have the newest update. Still links to the leaked beta release from last week. Thats why I created this thread

xRepinsSporx said:
That doesnt have the newest update. Still links to the leaked beta release from last week. Thats why I created this thread
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You did not search very well
I looked and found 2 download links to the latest ota
sent with my evo from a secret place

Sporkman said:
You did not search very well
I looked and found 2 download links to the latest ota
sent with my evo from a secret place
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Yeah, well all I can find are rooted ROMs, which are not what the OP is looking for. Care to point out where I can find a link to download the final Froyo update here?: http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=41591391&pp=25
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=743113&highlight=3.26.651.6&page=2

Look, here it is. I know I'm not supposed to hold your hand, but obviously you need it. I suggest you may want to stick to the "General" forum section. Easy-to-find forum post.

Lovely people on this forum. was just asking for help. No reason to act this way. I did look and looked for awhile. Im sorry i didnt see it but you dont have to make people feel like crap. Its just stupid

sturmen said:
Look, here it is. I know I'm not supposed to hold your hand, but obviously you need it. I suggest you may want to stick to the "General" forum section. Easy-to-find forum post.
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Dude, no need to be a jerk... Anyone, if that download stops working, you can download it here: http://www.google.com/buzz/superlinkx/PiHU4FDrj6n/For-those-interested-I-have-included-the-final
Be warned that this update will not flash over the leaked beta update. It will ONLY flash over 1.47, so be warned. It won't brick your phone, but you will waste about 10 minutes of your life just to see it fail. HTC said they plan to have a solution for those who flashed early within the coming days.

superlinkx said:
Dude, no need to be a jerk... Anyone, if that download stops working, you can download it here: http://www.google.com/buzz/superlinkx/PiHU4FDrj6n/For-those-interested-I-have-included-the-final
Be warned that this update will not flash over the leaked beta update. It will ONLY flash over 1.47, so be warned. It won't brick your phone, but you will waste about 10 minutes of your life just to see it fail. HTC said they plan to have a solution for those who flashed early within the coming days.
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ya i have the leaked version. Thankyou for your help and information and for not being a jerk like the rest. Just tried the update and no luck. thanks for letting me know.
Im stuck using my old treo 650 lol. leaked update messed my evo up so back to old school.
Hope the RUU Supersonic 2.2 exe comes out soon. I messed up my phone when updating to 1.47 so I have lost usb and stuck unrooted so cant fix it. Made a small mistake eh its all good I have a replacement coming...well when they get in stock

lol some of these people remind me of players in wow when you ask a simple question they turn into asswipes just because they have better gear and playing the game longer then you
called ELITIST JERKS lol

upperkingjr said:
lol some of these people remind me of players in wow when you ask a simple question they turn into asswipes just because they have better gear and playing the game longer then you
called ELITIST JERKS lol
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Why the %#$% do you have MP5 gems as a damn Holy paladin? Freaking scrub.

LOL see!!!

Just an idea here... You might avoid the so-called "jerks" by posting your Question in the Questions and Answers Forum.
Let's use a little deductive reasoning here. Why post in this forum? Don't give me some BS answer, saying something like "it relates to development," because that's a lie and you know it. Truth be told without beating around the bush... The Development Forum is more populated, and you think that because you're posting here, it's more likely to get answered quicker.
Sure, it's more populated, but there-in lies the problem. Because it's the most popular forum, these so-called "jerks" are ALSO more populated here. So your probability of having a so-called "jerk" reply is far greater. You're also going to get a more rash response simply because of posting in the wrong forum and giving a reason to these so-called "jerks" to flame you.
Not only that, but those that would normally offer the help, are then turned away from offering the help because of your posting in the wrong forum. So you're not only attracting the unwanted crowd, but you're turning away the ones that would help you.
Developers are in the development forum for that exact reason... development. You people think they don't visit the Q&A Forum at all. This is untrue. Besides that, this is a community. There are those that aren't skilled enough to be a dev but skilled enough to offer the help and point you in the right direction, and not all of them, but most of those people visit the Q&A Forum regularly.

Unknownforce said:
Just an idea here... You might avoid the so-called "jerks" by posting your Question in the Questions and Answers Forum.
Let's use a little deductive reasoning here. Why post in this forum? Don't give me some BS answer, saying something like "it relates to development," because that's a lie and you know it. Truth be told without beating around the bush... The Development Forum is more populated, and you think that because you're posting here, it's more likely to get answered quicker.
Sure, it's more populated, but there-in lies the problem. Because it's the most popular forum, these so-called "jerks" are ALSO more populated here. So your probability of having a so-called "jerk" reply is far greater. You're also going to get a more rash response simply because of posting in the wrong forum and giving a reason to these so-called "jerks" to flame you.
Not only that, but those that would normally offer the help, are then turned away from offering the help because of your posting in the wrong forum. So you're not only attracting the unwanted crowd, but you're turning away the ones that would help you.
Developers are in the development forum for that exact reason... development. You people think they don't visit the Q&A Forum at all. This is untrue. Besides that, this is a community. There are those that aren't skilled enough to be a dev but skilled enough to offer the help and point you in the right direction, and not all of them, but most of those people visit the Q&A Forum regularly.
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Amen.
I regularly go to the Q&A forum to give back what i can. I can also tell you that the above is correct. the people flamed the most are those posting in the wrong forum. If you search and let them know you try people a re alot more forgiving int he Q&A forum then they are in development. Think of development as your library and Q&A as the class room.
If you are unsure if it should be in development it probably shouldnt be. If it doesnt pertain specifically to a rom and isnt asked in that Roms thread until you get to a level where you can better determine where it goes ... ask in in Q&A. Best advice i can give to people with questions.

xRepinsSporx said:
Lovely people on this forum. was just asking for help. No reason to act this way. I did look and looked for awhile. Im sorry i didnt see it but you dont have to make people feel like crap. Its just stupid
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You're right. I should have been less mean. It's just that... when people come to development with questions seeking answers, it just doesn't seem right. I'd like to apologize. And I'm not gonna go back and edit it to make it better. I'm going to straight-up apologize.
I'm sorry for talking down.
Unknownforce said:
Just an idea here... You might avoid the so-called "jerks" by posting your Question in the Questions and Answers Forum.
Let's use a little deductive reasoning here. Why post in this forum? Don't give me some BS answer, saying something like "it relates to development," because that's a lie and you know it. Truth be told without beating around the bush... The Development Forum is more populated, and you think that because you're posting here, it's more likely to get answered quicker.
Sure, it's more populated, but there-in lies the problem. Because it's the most popular forum, these so-called "jerks" are ALSO more populated here. So your probability of having a so-called "jerk" reply is far greater. You're also going to get a more rash response simply because of posting in the wrong forum and giving a reason to these so-called "jerks" to flame you.
Not only that, but those that would normally offer the help, are then turned away from offering the help because of your posting in the wrong forum. So you're not only attracting the unwanted crowd, but you're turning away the ones that would help you.
Developers are in the development forum for that exact reason... development. You people think they don't visit the Q&A Forum at all. This is untrue. Besides that, this is a community. There are those that aren't skilled enough to be a dev but skilled enough to offer the help and point you in the right direction, and not all of them, but most of those people visit the Q&A Forum regularly.
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I support this statement.

xRepinsSporx said:
Lovely people on this forum. was just asking for help. No reason to act this way. I did look and looked for awhile. Im sorry i didnt see it but you dont have to make people feel like crap. Its just stupid
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Quit crying and go home. You seriously need to learn how to use Google. We hate idiots here as it leads to tons of worthless threads clogging everything up.
Mods, please lock or delete this. Though I'm sure you are all busy dealing with all the trash coming from all the noob trying to ask how to update, each with their own thread...

[Q] Question - Skyraider Vanilla - Latest Update from VZW

I'm running SkyRaider 3.0 Vanilla RC3 on my Inc w/2.6.32.15-g5e1ad8b [email protected] #1 and today I got an Update Notification from VZW. I have read that rooted/ROM'd devices are not supposed to get, nor should they, install these updates... what should I do? How do I make it go away? Thanks...

antmarching.41 said:
what should I do?
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don't install it
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How do I make it go away?
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don't know about that, but posting in the correct section might make it stop

How do these topics keep popping up? There's a damn Droid Incredible Q&A forum!

antmarching.41 said:
I'm running SkyRaider 3.0 Vanilla RC3 on my Inc w/2.6.32.15-g5e1ad8b [email protected] #1 and today I got an Update Notification from VZW. I have read that rooted/ROM'd devices are not supposed to get, nor should they, install these updates... what should I do? How do I make it go away? Thanks...
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Head to My Droid World and ask, the members there don't jump down your throat for asking a question. Yes we all know you "Pros" lose a little of your soul each time someone who isn't in your league of Android superiority asks a question you already know the answer to, but really, your constant responses berating people who ask questions, "Let me Google that for you", "Search NAO!", etc, are more annoying that people asking a question that may have already been posted.
It seems many people forget how and why forums were created....to share information regarding a common interest. People use these forums to learn, and it is a great tool for it. Now sure, I agree people should do a little search before posting, it saves everyone time, but there really is an overwhelming amount of information out there, and a lot of it can be contradicting. There should not be a problem with people asking for a clear, updated answer. Also, many times when people are new to the development world, some of the answers out there just don't make sense, or aren't perfectly clear to the askers specific situation.
I recently sae a post by the Admin at AndroidForums(I think, it was a big Android site tho) directing their mods to not do this. To remember that all members should be welcomed, and there is no need for condescending attitudes towards people asking questions. Also, the people at My Droid World are the same way...they are willing to help, be it a Android vet or a "n00b". I know XDA could be considered an "advanced" development forum, but if you don't allow new members in and pass the knowledge along, it's just an elitist club rather than a community forum. There is no "community" in these kinds of attitudes.
And really, what good is "Google is your friend", "Use the Search", and related type responses. Obviously it is an ego thing, consiously or not. It doesn't help the person asking, and does nothing for the person answering, beside making them look like a jerk. Especially the people whining about having to waste so much time responding to duplicate questions. The simple answer is to NOT respond. But then their superiority isn't known to everyone. If you don't wanna help the OP out with an answer or link, and having nothing worth mentioning on the topic, just move along. Don't waste your precious time, that is obviously more important than the rest of ours, and simply move along.
Anyway, to the OP, I came here looking for similar info as well. I am using Skyraider Sense, but having the same issue. There is one thing I have noted tho. I use my DInc as a "backup", so there is no service on it. I then turned off wifi thinking that I would not get the update requests, but I still am. So I was wondering if the requests are originating locally, and if so if there is a file that could be deleted to stop the requests. However, I believe that even tho I don't have service, Verizon can still peach my phone and send me updates. There could be another explanation as well lol. But anyway, if I find anything out I will let ya know. If you don't find any answers here, check out My Droid World.

You hit the nail on the head. It would take no longer to respond with an answer (if you know it and don't just wanna appear to) as it does to appear as an all knowing elitist android asshat.
Not everyone on here eats/sleeps/dreams android, but like prob 60% or more of the people on here are journeyman or lower gadget freaks that like to play around with the newest stuff for there phone/toy.
I for one have tried many a time to find an answer to a prob I have but find it daunting when some of the threads get 100+ posts added a day.i end up dealing with the issue I'm having, doing a nandroid restore, or just changing roms b/c I don't wanna see the flame fest ill prob get for asking a question that might have been answered already in a thread with 4000 posts....

Grift said:
You hit the nail on the head. It would take no longer to respond with an answer (if you know it and don't just wanna appear to) as it does to appear as an all knowing elitist android asshat.
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Trust me when I say that these forums are anything but elitist. Also trust me when I say that evenly applied moderation would go a long way toward making these forums more productive.
Look around; do any developers (not ROM chefs!) actively visit XDA any more?

nobody told the op to search.
it doesn't take an android wiz or forum guru to read the rules and post in the correct place.

jimmypopulous said:
Trust me when I say that these forums are anything but elitist. Also trust me when I say that evenly applied moderation would go a long way toward making these forums more productive.
Look around; do any developers (not ROM chefs!) actively visit XDA any more?
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This coming from someone who over half of his posts are nothing more than bashing blackdroid or other forum members, how does that help the community? Posting in the correct section makes it more productive. How hard is it to post a QUESTION in the "QUESTION & ANSWER" section?
I told him not to install the update because it would make him possibly lose root and other things. I told him I did not know about the other half of the question that he was asking, but that it would be much better if he asked it in the proper section. (and if you can't take a little sarcasm over the internet... i don't know how long you will make it in life)

I'm sorry I posted in the wrong section... Months ago, when I found this site I bookmarked the "Droid Incredible Android Development" thread directly. I didn't think to click back one link to the "HTC Droid Incredible" thread to see other sections... I have done searches before, but spend WAY to much time sifting through post after meaningless post. I don't have hours to spend reading threw thousands of posts to find an answer...
I did find a resolution though without the help of anyone here... using ROM Manager, I dl'd the latest Virtuous ROM = problem solved.
At least I know now where to post a question... thanks for that.

g00s3y said:
This coming from someone who over half of his posts are nothing more than bashing blackdroid or other forum members, how does that help the community? Posting in the correct section makes it more productive. How hard is it to post a QUESTION in the "QUESTION & ANSWER" section?
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Whoa, I'm in complete agreement with you.
RE: Backdroid - one would thinly there would be agreement amongst community members that his brand of dishonesty and disingenuous mea culpas would be unwelcome.
The WinMo threads I used to lurk on here aactually contained development (read: coding) talk. The Android subforums seem to be all about clamoring for themes and conflating ROM cooking with development. I expected a similarly articulate set of users here.

Moved to Q&A as not development.
Posting questions in the right place keeps everything organised, and makes it easy to find people needing help.
Don't post questions in the development forum, and remember to search thoroughly before posting. This kind of thing regarding OTA updates is addressed in virtually every device forum on XDA.
Finally, finish with the flaming guys.

Building my own ROM from AOSP

Hey all,
Just curious - are there any tutorials anywhere that walk you through building your own ROM for the EVO from the AOSP project? I'd like to get into building my own so that I don't have to rely on other's updates, etc.
Thanks!
Ricky

**CLICK HERE** for the search feature

Concordium said:
**CLICK HERE** for the search feature
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Seriously? Does everyone need to include the line, "I've already tried searching." in the original post so that an absolutely unnecessary and obvious answer isn't the first one posted? If so, then..
I've already tried searching.
I continue to come up with bull**** posts about building AOSP for other phones. I've searched all morning and haven't come up with anything, hence, the creation of the thread. Thanks for attempting to be a smartass, though.

UndeadCircus said:
Seriously? Does everyone need to include the line, "I've already tried searching." in the original post so that an absolutely unnecessary and obvious answer isn't the first one posted? If so, then..
I've already tried searching.
I continue to come up with bull**** posts about building AOSP for other phones. I've searched all morning and haven't come up with anything, hence, the creation of the thread. Thanks for attempting to be a smartass, though.
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Actually yes, it would help that we know you've already searched. Forgive me for seeing that the vast majority of people who post questions do so without searching and not knowing that you, miraculously, were not amongst said majority. Thanks for succeeding at being an ungrateful prick.
And just an FYI, seeing as how you apparently have no experience on the topic, at least that's what your poorly specified post implied, you would be able to learn a lot about the process of creating your own ROM from the search results I posted. Just because it doesn't say "HTC Evo" on it doesn't mean there is no experience or wisdom to be gained from it. Try doing what the rest of us do. Read what resources are available and then start experimenting with it until you can find someone who can give more specific direction. There will be difference between phones but you can still get the basis for working with Android based systems. Otherwise, we'll be seeing another thread like this from you when you get a new phone. I tried to help as best I could. I'm sorry it wasn't to your satisfaction.

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Actually yes, it would help that we know you've already searched. Forgive me for seeing that the vast majority of people who post questions do so without searching and not knowing that you, miraculously, were not amongst said majority. Thanks for succeeding at being an ungrateful prick.
And just an FYI, seeing as how you apparently have no experience on the topic, at least that's what your poorly specified post implied, you would be able to learn a lot about the process of creating your own ROM from the search results I posted. Just because it doesn't say "HTC Evo" on it doesn't mean there is no experience or wisdom to be gained from it. Try doing what the rest of us do. Read what resources are available and then start experimenting with it until you can find someone who can give more specific direction. There will be difference between phones but you can still get the basis for working with Android based systems. Otherwise, we'll be seeing another thread like this from you when you get a new phone. I tried to help as best I could. I'm sorry it wasn't to your satisfaction.
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It was actually far from being satisfactory. Forgive me, but why in the holy hell would I learn to develop for a phone that I don't have? Honestly. Once the source is built and created, what am I going to do with said source? Not a damn thing. I have no phone to install it to. Building for a phone that I own would be more help to me then building for a phone that I do not own.
Maybe if most of the people around here took a second to actually help someone, there wouldn't be a problem with the vast majority of smart asses replying with a search link. Don't try and convince yourself that you're being helpful and expect me to say "thank you." You're far from it.

Search for dsixda rom kitchen. That will help you get started.
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The guy was trying to help you. You are stupid man sorry but people like you desrve ****. He was giving you a link, you should ve said thank you for that. With your attitude the only thing you'll get is F..
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It was actually far from being satisfactory. Forgive me, but why in the holy hell would I learn to develop for a phone that I don't have? Honestly. Once the source is built and created, what am I going to do with said source? Not a damn thing. I have no phone to install it to. Building for a phone that I own would be more help to me then building for a phone that I do not own.
Maybe if most of the people around here took a second to actually help someone, there wouldn't be a problem with the vast majority of smart asses replying with a search link. Don't try and convince yourself that you're being helpful and expect me to say "thank you." You're far from it.
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You're right. All Android phones run on the Linux based Android operating system. So what on earth could you possibly learn from a thread about a phone that uses the same operating system? Like I said, the phones each have some differences but the overall basis of how the system works is the same. So yes, the threads I posted are helpful. They contain enough information to get you started in the right direction until you can find information that reviews the specific differences that you can then apply to the Evo. If you could get over yourself for a minute or two in order to open your mind you'd be able to realize that. You're the one that came here with questions. Seems kind of naive to pick and choose which answer you want to hear and then whine about the ones you don't understand.
Either way, I gave you something helpful. It's up to you whether or not you choose to use it. Best of luck to you.
Edit: People on this site, myself included, do nothing but help each other. If you can't see that then the problem is not with this site. The problem is with you.

I'm with him
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**CLICK HERE** for the search feature
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I have been wondering this same question as I pondered to develop my own ROM, this link was actually helpful. Sometimes people overlook things and its helpful to get a second opinion, which is why I believe this entire Q&A thread exists. So it is puzzling to me why would come here to get a second opinion and then ***** out the first person to try to help.
I just can't understand why you ask for help and then criticize help... And this is why XDA needs a "Negative Thanks" button.

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I have been wondering this same question as I pondered to develop my own ROM, this link was actually helpful. Sometimes people overlook things and its helpful to get a second opinion, which is why I believe this entire Q&A thread exists. So it is puzzling to me why would come here to get a second opinion and then ***** out the first person to try to help.
I just can't understand why you ask for help and then criticize help... And this is why XDA needs a "Negative Thanks" button.
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The only problem with a negative thanks button is that people like UndeadCircus would be pressing negative thanks all the time because they didn't like, or don't understand, the answer they were given. People are a lot more willing to toss out negativity than they are optimism and gratitude. In the end I see it like this; My responsibility here is to help others to the best of my ability. People can either be open minded to the help given here and see all the opportunities laid before them or they can remain closed minded and in the end not gain as much knowledge as they otherwise would have. Either way, I've done my job and the decision on whether or not to take advantage of it is on them.

@OP
There are two threads in evo development about your question.
The author is lithid-cm.
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Dealing With New Users

This idea came about from a discussion, in the old requests to mods & admins thread, about dealing with new users across this site.
When I say dealing with new users, I mean how you respond to either posts where the user clearly hasn't searched, the user has done something they shouldn't have done etc etc.
Some users will simply report the members post and leave it down to the moderators to deal with. Some will respond with sarcasm/trolling/flaming. Some will simply give the person the correct information and mention nothing about what they've done wrong and others, like me, may feel the need to rant away at some users.
With me, if someone has done something they shouldn't have done, I won't ever report it. I'll only report a post if it's something serious like racism or illegal content. I'll generally give tell the person nicely what it is they've done wrong and what they should've done instead.
Obviously, doing so won't always work and the new member will continue doing wrong. I'll then PM the member and explain it to them fully away from public view.
However, if I come across a situation where a user has done wrong, and after being told so numerous times even by different people, that's when I'll step in and rant at them. My rants are never harsh and can never be mistaken for such. I simply tell them what they've done wrong and what they should've done, but I write it in such a way where it makes it seem angrier and makes the message sink in.
I'm interested to know what others opinions are on this and how you personally deal with such situations.
I already know that if moderators drop by in here, they'll probably say it's best to use the report feature but I'd like to hear everyone's opinions anyway

what i try to do is tell them as nicely as i can (not really that nice, but i don't flame) where they're wrong. i do realize mods are busy and i avoid reporting until i've given the new member at least a warning. i do report immediately when the issue is serious (ie: spamming in dev threads, warez, etc.).
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I try to point out their mistakes. Then I explain (nicely) that xxx shouldn't have done yyyy. It doesn't hurt to be well-mannered. The member usually realizes his/her mistake and (tries to at least) never repeats it, hopefully.

I usually don't flame anyone.. I just reply them where they should have actually reported or posted it with link to that threads or forums.. and I ask them to post in proper section from next times.. usually using "please" or such words makes it better I feel.. they will feel we are trying to help them not to get in trouble in future and such.. and hopefully they will follow the advice in future..
But if I see same guy after been told does the same mistake.. then I report them..
Also I will report all wrong threads using PM with link to thread directly to our device mod as he is friendly and doesn't mind such PMs..
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Great idea for a thread. I saw a very good post by FallenSpartan that really helped explain in the old mod requests thread, but I can't find it, must have been deleted. Anyways, the bottom line is, the person on the other side that computer could be anyone. For all you know, they could barely be able to speak English, or even have a mental disability . People need to be a little more understanding, trolling and flaming will only frustrate people and confuse them even more. A polite but pointed request to search next time and that the information is out there along with a link to it would be ideal in my opinion. The new users might not entirely grasp the concept of what's going on and how to easily search, and that information isn't exactly readily available. I know it is out there, but speaking from personal experience, I didn't go anywhere outside of my device's forum for quite some time after joining, not that I didn't know how to do those things. Point is, while the idea of searching and finding information for yourself is commonplace to you, it may not be to new users, and I don't think the importance of finding your own information is stressed enough for new members. While you may get angry and feel the need to rant and flame, it won't be nearly as effective at changing the way people act compared to a polite and firm request with the info attached, and possibly even what you did to find the information.
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@cascabel & nitubhaskar - I used to find that reporting would work, especially considering that's what the mods always say is the best option rather than dealing with it yourself, but if I was to report all those who were report worthy, I'd never get anything else done lol.
Plus, the way I see it, if someone gets reported and a mod deals with it, there's generally no explanation as to why their post was wrong. Doing it in such a way that I do, it tells them what others tell them but seems to stick in their mind more because of the way it was written.
@sgt. meow - I guess with your forum being a fairly quiet forum, there's generally no need to do more than you do, as in such a forum people like that are really easy to notice and take action against if needed.
@prototype - I saw that post by FS aswell and I do agree with what he said. It could quite easily be a disabled person or someone with learning difficulties etc. but as of the time of the rants, I don't think about that because I just think about the fact they've constantly done the wrong thing.
Maybe I should put more consideration into things like that, but I just don't.
And while I do kind of agree that some people may be more open to listening if you actually help them out, as said above, in my experience ranting works.
It's not as if I rant at people all the time. That's truly not the case. The majority of the time I'll either help them in the thread by directing them to the right course of action or I'll PM them. It's only in certain situations that I feel a rant is actually necessary, whether others agree with that or not.
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@cascabel & nitubhaskar -
Plus, the way I see it, if someone gets reported and a mod deals with it, there's generally no explanation as to why their post was wrong. Doing it in such a way that I do, it tells them what others tell them but seems to stick in their mind more because of the way it was written.
It's not as if I rant at people all the time. That's truly not the case. The majority of the time I'll either help them in the thread by directing them to the right course of action or I'll PM them.
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Actually you are right.. it helps them if we say what wrong they did and also give info what they asked in same post.. but I hope they won't feel that, even if he/she did made a wrong/ mistake they will get the quick info they need without any effort kinda feeling..
About mods not giving info on why they delete posts /lock threads.. well considering their busy work I guess its understandable..
But our forum mod The-Captain always kindly leaves a note for user as far as I have seen.. and I send PM only after I inform the newbie most of the times.. so both deeds are done.. lesson reached and reported
About your ranting...
Lol.. no way.. as far as I have seen your posts.. well your patience is pretty high.. ocassionally I have seen you going angry.. otherwise you are kind enough to give info and inform them of their mistakes.. well that's my observation.. excluding your device forum though
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It's in the XDA rules to be nice to other members, whether new or old. So even if noob posts a warez content i never flame or troll him. Yeah, i do wanna give him a scolding but i don't. I'm gonna simply report it. Yes, i do sometimes post a reply or give him a PM, requesting him to remove the content with a link to the rules.
If a user dosen't search :-
Suppose a noob has bricked his phone, and creates a thread asking for help. In many cases of not searching, i advise users to search, but in these particular cases, i give 'em a link to the specific thread too.
If someone (racially) discriminates another user, i simply report him/her. Flaming him with sarcastic remarks might earn me a few thanks, (maybe) suppress the guy down, but it still isn't good for two reasons - one, as it's against the rules, two, as it proves that you're not a bit different from the user.
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How I respond depends on a new users thread, if it's to ask something particular then I'll either not reply or provide a link that's related or helps directly, if it's a new thread asking "how to root", how to unlock the boot loader", "how to install this ROM", "what's the best ROM" (there's at least 20+ threads asking that or similar in the Arc section in the last month or two) or asking about something in an existing thread that they could have just asked their question in, then I tend to be a bit more, how shall I say this, sarcastically direct :silly:, which some People take on the chin, and if they get it then I'll try to be more helpful, but you get the odd one or two who take umbrage then want to argue, needless to say I don't help that kind of user.
People joining here should be of a certain aptitude to begin imo and willing to learn, I'm much more inclined to help a user who has shown a bit of initiative but a lot are just sheer lazy and the amount of things that get asked that could be answered in the stickys amazes me.
But then you still get senior members who act like they've never been here before also, so I'm the same with them too. :angel:

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@cascabel & nitubhaskar - I used to find that reporting would work, especially considering that's what the mods always say is the best option rather than dealing with it yourself, but if I was to report all those who were report worthy, I'd never get anything else done lol.
Plus, the way I see it, if someone gets reported and a mod deals with it, there's generally no explanation as to why their post was wrong. Doing it in such a way that I do, it tells them what others tell them but seems to stick in their mind more because of the way it was written.
@sgt. meow - I guess with your forum being a fairly quiet forum, there's generally no need to do more than you do, as in such a forum people like that are really easy to notice and take action against if needed.
@prototype - I saw that post by FS aswell and I do agree with what he said. It could quite easily be a disabled person or someone with learning difficulties etc. but as of the time of the rants, I don't think about that because I just think about the fact they've constantly done the wrong thing.
Maybe I should put more consideration into things like that, but I just don't.
And while I do kind of agree that some people may be more open to listening if you actually help them out, as said above, in my experience ranting works.
It's not as if I rant at people all the time. That's truly not the case. The majority of the time I'll either help them in the thread by directing them to the right course of action or I'll PM them. It's only in certain situations that I feel a rant is actually necessary, whether others agree with that or not.
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Your ranting works. That's because you've already told them what they're screwing up multiple times and just need to get it into their heads that they can't keep doing whatever they're doing. Ranting without giving any reasoning or advice isn't so effective.
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I mention what they did wrong and just report it or send a pm to a moderator...Don't like making the situation worse
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Well, I always try to understand the situation of the user, I mean on the SGSII forums,for example, I've recognize some users that always post questions instead of search even if the answer it's on the previous page, to them, I ask nicely to search but also I remember that me or some other user told him yet that please follow the rules and search before of post.
In the case of the total newbie users, mostly, I guide them to the thread, post or forum that they need but also, I mention that the rules are clear and need start to search before.
Sometimes I do the recomendation of put (in the next post that they do) where they search or how, if they do it yet, in that way we can give a better help (maybe it's not searching by the right terms or something like that)
I'm totally hate the flame to an user, when I see a post that could be the probably cause of a flame war I report it ASAP. And also, when I see someone flaming I ask nicely to stop because it's against the rules.
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When I first started, I advised them on the said thread itself, giving as much help as I could. I would wait for a response before PM-ing him/her about what they did and how to avoid getting into more trouble. Along the way, I realised that the more I tried to be nice to them, the more they would just step on me and act as if nothing has happened. The final straw was when this one guy, started hurling abuse at me for pointing out his mistake, vandalised my ROM thread and IRC channel. Soon after more and more hate PM's started to arise. Now I don't bother with wrong do-ers. I find them guilty, I report them. If it get's out of hand, I'll give a sarcastic yet hard hitting post that he/she will never forget. I know it's wrong and some of them will hate me till the rest of their days, but I find monkeys like these only listen to a nice warm infraction instead of kind words. Now I just focus on bug related problems in my forum. Common courtesy is eroding in new users everywhere. Sorry, but this is what more than a year in XDA has made me into . No, I will not change my ways

What I do when users keep posting ETAs/refuse to oblige when told politely - I usually post a image showing what I mean.e.g.facepalm for repeated ETA.it seems to work because-
1.the user seems embarrassed on seeing an actual expression of a person in the image e.g.facepalm.
2.more effective than a wall of post.
3.stands out, no need to read.
4.based on same principle of pie-diagrams, frequency polygons, bar diagrams - more attractive, more efficient.
"your lips move, but I cannot hear what you're saying..."

Bumping for mods/admins to get involved
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Bumping for mods/admins to get involved
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I don't think they will.
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I don't think they will.
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I don't think they will either, but it's worth a try.
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And it seemed to work, that bump.
On topic:
Simply abide the rules. If you see someone breaking the rules (e.g. posting warez, flaming, spamming, etc) report it, using the "!" button on the post. The report will be picked up by a moderator and will be registered, in case we need to review afterwards. Of course, if it's a minor offence, a PM to a mod is ok too.
But how to deal with new users who just ask alot of questions and don't know our "netiquette"?
Try a calm approach and tell them to use the Search function ALOT.
Just remember one thing and live by it: We all were newbs at one time.
Good to see this discussion, shows people care.

Big multiquote coming in 3, 2, 1....
nitubhaskar said:
I usually don't flame anyone.. I just reply them where they should have actually reported or posted it with link to that threads or forums.. and I ask them to post in proper section from next times.. usually using "please" or such words makes it better I feel.. they will feel we are trying to help them not to get in trouble in future and such.. and hopefully they will follow the advice in future..
But if I see same guy after been told does the same mistake.. then I report them..
Also I will report all wrong threads using PM with link to thread directly to our device mod as he is friendly and doesn't mind such PMs..
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Using common courtesy will go leaps and bounds to remedy the situation. People sometimes do need a not-so-gentle nudging on how things work, but also a simple Please and Thanks can go much further. Otherwise if you flame them for posting something that has been asked just a few pages back, this place can get the mob mentality and all of a sudden, that one comment has turned into 4 pages of dribble that usually has to be cleaned by us and sometimes results in infractions for 1 or more members. Nobody wants that, right?
****The one thing that everyone should do is put on their way-back-hats and remember is when they were first tinkering with their phone and messed something up. Do you remember that Panic Mode your were in? :crying: Palms all sweaty, reading 5-6-7 pages at a time. Thinking that you just bricked your $600usd device. It sucks big time. I've been there many times (long ago )
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About mods not giving info on why they delete posts /lock threads.. well considering their busy work I guess its understandable..
But our forum mod The-Captain always kindly leaves a note for user as far as I have seen.. and I send PM only after I inform the newbie most of the times.. so both deeds are done.. lesson reached and reported
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We generally try to leave a message as to why a thread was closed or moved. It isn't really a rule but again more of a common courtesy.
Also, The-Captain That guy is a class act. Nice, friendly and efficient. :good::good::good:
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It's in the XDA rules to be nice to other members, whether new or old.
Suppose a noob has bricked his phone, and creates a thread asking for help. In many cases of not searching, i advise users to search, but in these particular cases, i give 'em a link to the specific thread too.
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Actually it isn't in the rules to be nice per se. But Rule #10 does say,
10. Help others if you can
If you see posts from others where you can help out, please do. This place exists because people are helping each other, and even if you are relatively new to the matter, there's probably already quite a few people newer than you that would benefit from what you've learned. Don't be shy.
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Giving a link is great and I do it all the time. But where does that cross the line of you doing their searching for them. I find if it is obscure enough, i will give a link, but the Department of Redundancy Department questions don't get such treatment, if you know what I mean.
loneagl said:
What I do when users keep posting ETAs/refuse to oblige when told politely - I usually post a image showing what I mean.e.g.facepalm for repeated ETA.it seems to work because-
1.the user seems embarrassed on seeing an actual expression of a person in the image e.g.facepalm.
2.more effective than a wall of post.
3.stands out, no need to read.
4.based on same principle of pie-diagrams, frequency polygons, bar diagrams - more attractive, more efficient.
"your lips move, but I cannot hear what you're saying..."
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I have done this more often than not. A simple picture can change the whole attitude of the thread. But not some stupid meme that has a personal attack or durogotory in any manner. I have one picture of a kid sticking a butter knife into a wall outlet and it say "nOOb" on it. Something as simple as that can change the tone and the OP wil make light of it and figure out where he went wrong. Sometimes not though and I have had it backfire on me a few times as well. But then in my next post, I would gently explain why I posted a picture and then guide them in the right direction. Some people tend to remember the visual, so the next time they want to start a thread, they may in-fact remember my picture and not the 4 pages of flaming they received.
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I don't think they will either, but it's worth a try.
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Now you have an SM and FSM.
Edit::: One thing that I forgot to mention was the shear numbers we have here. At any given time there are between 35 & 50k users online. That's huge. If you Google anything about mobile/tablets, XDA is almost always at the top and at the very least top 5. That is some tough numbers we're dealing with.

That's really a big multi-quote! And quite a big explanation!!
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Actually it isn't in the rules to be nice per se.
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I suppose it is under rule #2.5. And also under rule #10, as you stated.
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noob rooting

Is there a vid how to root from note 4 6.0.1 ??

Blastoff29 said:
Is there a vid how to root from note 4 6.0.1 ??
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Do you need someone to hold your hand? You've played this game before.
If there is a "vid" it hasn't been posted here. Do you need help in using Google?

Yes, I do. Don't want to brick my phone. Not playing games either.Just asking , don't have a cow, breathe

Blastoff29 said:
Yes, I do. Don't want to brick my phone. Just asking , don't have a cow, breathe
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Try helping yourself. I know, it's a tough concept.
There are three or four threads right on the very front page of this subforum that will answer all of your questions.
Have a cow? I'm not having a cow. I'm sick of people that can figure out how to post a completely redundant question without following rule number one of the forum.
1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting or creating a new thread. Whether you have a question or just something new to share, it's very likely that someone has already asked that question or shared that news
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douger1957 said:
Try helping yourself. I know, it's a tough concept.
There are three or four threads right on the very front page of this subforum that will answer all of your questions.
Have a cow? I'm not having a cow. I'm sick of people that can figure out how to post a completely redundant question without following rule number one of the forum.
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No need to be an ass about it..

Just asking about vid, rooted my previous phones before, upgraded to note 4 . Been waiting root and os upgrades. Been reading alot about how to root this phone. Look like this is alot if steps to do so. And alot of miss communication how to do so.... that's why I ask about a vid.. Geez

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No need to be an ass about it..
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Did you join just to post this or are you a sock puppet?
Nobody was being an "ass." The forum rules say to search first. There are at least three threads on the front page that say "noob" and cover what the OP had asked for. Typing a response to the same question over and over because "noobs" are too lazy to help themselves is tiring.
If the OP is incapable of following directions, of reading where others had screwed up and how to fix it, a video isn't going to help.

Never called u names, so let's not start.... I will just move on, thanks for your warm suggestions. Have a good one

Blastoff29 said:
Never called u names, so let's not start.... I will just move on, thanks for your warm suggestions. Have a good one
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Come back in a couple of weeks when you can start yet another thread!

Someday u will get out of your mom's basement. Get a life

There are a few videos on YouTube but the rooting is scary. My N4 is my only phone so I read up and took the plunge. It all worked out but not without a few hangups. People on XDA will help you out of a jam if needed.
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Blastoff29 said:
Someday u will get out of your mom's basement. Get a life
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My mom is dead and I'm 600 miles from her house, but thanks for playing. See you in a couple of weeks. Will you be bringing a new sock puppet?

douger1957 said:
Did you join just to post this or are you a sock puppet?
Nobody was being an "ass." The forum rules say to search first. There are at least three threads on the front page that say "noob" and cover what the OP had asked for. Typing a response to the same question over and over because "noobs" are too lazy to help themselves is tiring.
If the OP is incapable of following directions, of reading where others had screwed up and how to fix it, a video isn't going to help.
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Joined just to post this. I've been lurking the forums for a long time as I have a rooted Note 4 but never had a reason to post. You showing very little respect for your peers on the forums caused me finally create an account so my voice could be heard. If you still believe I'm a sock puppet you can google my username and find I am active across a wide range of forums and platforms. I'm in no way associated with blastoff but I have been in his situation before so I understand where he is coming from and have sympathy for him. He tried to be civil about it and you are throwing accusations at him about making puppets without any possible proof other than it being a new account. This is a place meant for people to converse, ask questions, and be friendly and yet somehow you have managed to do the exact opposite. I get that he posted a new thread instead of searching but instead of posting a snappy response about how he broke the rules and should help himself you could maybe show a sliver of kindness and welcome him to the forums and inform him that all his answers are in previously posted threads. This will the last time I respond on this thread as I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone on the other side of a screen.
With that said, Blastoff, if you need any assistance please feel free to message me and if I'm able to I will assist you. Good luck on your journey to rooting your phone!

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Joined just to post this. I've been lurking the forums for a long time as I have a rooted Note 4 but never had a reason to post. You showing very little respect for your peers on the forums caused me finally create an account so my voice could be heard. If you still believe I'm a sock puppet you can google my username and find I am active across a wide range of forums and platforms. I'm in no way associated with blastoff but I have been in his situation before so I understand where he is coming from and have sympathy for him. He tried to be civil about it and you are throwing accusations at him about making puppets without any possible proof other than it being a new account. This is a place meant for people to converse, ask questions, and be friendly and yet somehow you have managed to do the exact opposite. I get that he posted a new thread instead of searching but instead of posting a snappy response about how he broke the rules and should help himself you could maybe show a sliver of kindness and welcome him to the forums and inform him that all his answers are in previously posted threads. This will the last time I respond on this thread as I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone on the other side of a screen.
With that said, Blastoff, if you need any assistance please feel free to message me and if I'm able to I will assist you. Good luck on your journey to rooting your phone!
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This is blastoffs 2nd thread with the same question. Both times posting ridiculous questions about note 4 root. If he had searched, he'd have his answer, and that's the point. Douger1957 has assisted tons of people with root, unlock, firmwares, etc. So before you pass judgement, search a little yourself, and see how douger1957 responds overall, not just with trolls.
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siyman4 said:
Joined just to post this. I've been lurking the forums for a long time as I have a rooted Note 4 but never had a reason to post. You showing very little respect for your peers on the forums caused me finally create an account so my voice could be heard. If you still believe I'm a sock puppet you can google my username and find I am active across a wide range of forums and platforms. I'm in no way associated with blastoff but I have been in his situation before so I understand where he is coming from and have sympathy for him. He tried to be civil about it and you are throwing accusations at him about making puppets without any possible proof other than it being a new account. This is a place meant for people to converse, ask questions, and be friendly and yet somehow you have managed to do the exact opposite. I get that he posted a new thread instead of searching but instead of posting a snappy response about how he broke the rules and should help himself you could maybe show a sliver of kindness and welcome him to the forums and inform him that all his answers are in previously posted threads. This will the last time I respond on this thread as I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone on the other side of a screen.
With that said, Blastoff, if you need any assistance please feel free to message me and if I'm able to I will assist you. Good luck on your journey to rooting your phone!
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Tott

siyman4 said:
Joined just to post this. I've been lurking the forums for a long time as I have a rooted Note 4 but never had a reason to post. You showing very little respect for your peers on the forums caused me finally create an account so my voice could be heard. If you still believe I'm a sock puppet you can google my username and find I am active across a wide range of forums and platforms. I'm in no way associated with blastoff but I have been in his situation before so I understand where he is coming from and have sympathy for him. He tried to be civil about it and you are throwing accusations at him about making puppets without any possible proof other than it being a new account. This is a place meant for people to converse, ask questions, and be friendly and yet somehow you have managed to do the exact opposite. I get that he posted a new thread instead of searching but instead of posting a snappy response about how he broke the rules and should help himself you could maybe show a sliver of kindness and welcome him to the forums and inform him that all his answers are in previously posted threads. This will the last time I respond on this thread as I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone on the other side of a screen.
With that said, Blastoff, if you need any assistance please feel free to message me and if I'm able to I will assist you. Good luck on your journey to rooting your phone!
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That's the thing , I read alot how to root. Rooted many other phones myself. Maybe my first post wasn't in the right spot... Tried to be very civil about it. But just got way to many negative vibes . I have read post , how to root in this forum . Never once this guy pointed me in the right direction... I really think this guy has failed this Forum. .. :/

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That's the thing , I read alot how to root. Rooted many other phones myself. Maybe my first post wasn't in the right spot... Tried to be very civil about it. But just got way to many negative vibes . I have read post , how to root in this forum . Never once this guy pointed me in the right direction... I really think this guy has failed this Forum. .. :/
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Oh, look. Two sock puppets talking to each other. How cute.
I didn't fail the forum, Bunky. I failed a troll. I won't lose any sleep over it.

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Is there a vid how to root from note 4 6.0.1 ??
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Yes there's plenty of vids. I've rooted plenty of phones, but can't seem to root this one. The vids say use kingo root, but I tried every one I found and none rooted my note 4 verizon.

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Oh, look. Two sock puppets talking to each other. How cute.
I didn't fail the forum, Bunky. I failed a troll. I won't lose any sleep over it.
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You did fail the forum. It sounds like you're usually pretty good on here, but there's almost a page of garbage here now because of your initial reply. This thread could have been 2 posts. "Is there a vid" and some time in the future "http://hereIsThe.vid".
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You did fail the forum. It sounds like you're usually pretty good on here, but there's almost a page of garbage here now because of your initial reply. This thread could have been 2 posts. "Is there a vid" and some time in the future "http://hereIsThe.vid".
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Ok ......here's the thing...On July 9th Douger1957 gave blastoff a link to the threads that explain in detail the processes to help him get rooted and unlocked. Then exactly 10 days later blastoff starts a new thread asking for a video....sorry, vid...this isn't rocket science. No need for a second thread, no need for drama.....simply search first, help yourself, ask informed questions that show you've at least tried something, anything! .......root?......vid? Of course you're going to get a response with some frustration included. In the last couple of weeks more 1 post members have shown up than ever before, with disrespectful questions, comments, and responses. Wtf. They drop these questions, get helped, don't thank anyone, show no respect for the members that have helped the most. Tons of people come, ask, take, complain, and don't contribute or thank the devs. Hsbadr has complained about this very thing, hundreds of downloads and a minimal amount of thanks or donations. So, go ahead and say what you will, my opinion is, the people who are assisting others all the time, should get the benefit of the doubt when these situations arise. And the single post members should exhaust all avenues of search before asking questions about things that have 4 or 5 detailed threads already.
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