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A simple question, there a number of updates that froyo brings,
speed, apps to sd, auto update apps, wi-fi tethering, flash etc...
My question is, what are people looking forward to most.
Heres a good article stating some improvements, plus couple of the little ones
you dont read about.
http://lifehacker.com/5545923/android-22-screenshots-our-favorite-features-in-froyo
My personal favourite thing to look forward to is full flash support, just to sit on my phone and play the little flash games, for free, will bring me hours of entertainment.
p.s
This is not a thread to discuss how or when we are getting froyo, just
a thread about what froyo actually brings!
Hopefully improved battery life!
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Hopefully improved battery life!
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This too, if it happens!
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App to SD, definitly.
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Nice topic.
I think I cant really pick one. Apps2SD is very nice.
1. You wont have the problem of thinking if you have space left before you download something. No more 'I really want this Raging Thunder 2 demo, but its 20 mb!'
2. Developers will start bringing better apps, because now people won't hesitate to download a high quality game because of their limited internal storage.
So yeah, I think Apps2SD will be very important. Also nice is the speed improvement, JIT or whatever it is called.
About Flash I am having mixed feelings now. I have seen some Pocketnow footage of the flash beta and it really destroys the browser. But like always, I think it is very good that we get the OPTION to use flash, if we ever need it. I dont need somebody (Steve) telling me what I can and can't do with my phone.
Oh, I also like the new stock Android look. But I guess we Sense users wont be using that.
One more thing, I really hope they bring the Nexus One 'fade in and out' animation when opening and closing apps. I really like that.
SPEEEEED!!!! and Flash
Yer, good point about animations and stuff, i like the 3d application view in nexus.
Reguards to flash, yer it nice to have a choice, i believe there 3 settings, full flash, flash when you click on it, or off, which is a nice touch i think, we have choice
Apps 2 sd will be good too, very true that developers will introduce better apps due to having more room, such as need for speed, which i think is 20mb +.
About 3 months ago (end of march?) I upgraded from my old trusty Hero to the new HTC Desire, and as everyone who has had the joy of owning one I've been very happy with it, specially after (with the unvaluable help of XDA) I managed to iron out some of its quirks.
My only issue with it is that lately I keep getting the annoyng taskbar icon and message that says that there's no more space available on my phone and that I should delete some more apps to free some more space.
I constantly kept reducing the number of my apps every few days, renouncing to some I was quite fond of, and eliminating all double functions even though I liked to have the possibility to choose, but the space keeps getting smaller and smaller, not because I install more apps , but only because I update the apps I already have.
Every time I update my apps the newer versions apparently take more space than the ones they substitute, so that nearly every time I update I am forced to erase at least one of my apps.
Soon I'll have space for only one super-updated app !
I have noticed that the "no more space" icon & message pops up every time the free space goes under 10% and after the latest updates I have only 9% ( 13 mb) left.
The problem is that now I have just the absolutely necessary apps, those I feel I just can't do without.
All in all , including all the original apps and programs that came with the phone and that it's impossible to erase, I've got 128 icons on my menu.
Is that many?
I'm pretty sure that I had more in my old Hero.
On my other phone , an HTC HD2, I have found a very useful app (for win mob 6.5) that frees memory and even speeds up the phone, does anyone knows of an equivalent program for Android 2.1?
Or maybe of some way to get some free space by some other method, like moving something to the mem card, or getting rid of some useless stuff?
Please?
This thing is getting relly frustrating.
No way to solve this issue barr flashing a FroYo rom or installing APPS2SD
Easier to install a FroYo rom but they are still buggy.
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About 3 months ago (end of march?) I upgraded from my old trusty Hero to the new HTC Desire, and as everyone who has had the joy of owning one I've been very happy with it, specially after (with the unvaluable help of XDA) I managed to iron out some of its quirks.
My only issue with it is that lately I keep getting the annoyng taskbar icon and message that says that there's no more space available on my phone and that I should delete some more apps to free some more space.
I constantly kept reducing the number of my apps every few days, renouncing to some I was quite fond of, and eliminating all double functions even though I liked to have the possibility to choose, but the space keeps getting smaller and smaller, not because I install more apps , but only because I update the apps I already have.
Every time I update my apps the newer versions apparently take more space than the ones they substitute, so that nearly every time I update I am forced to erase at least one of my apps.
Soon I'll have space for only one super-updated app !
I have noticed that the "no more space" icon & message pops up every time the free space goes under 10% and after the latest updates I have only 9% ( 13 mb) left.
The problem is that now I have just the absolutely necessary apps, those I feel I just can't do without.
All in all , including all the original apps and programs that came with the phone and that it's impossible to erase, I've got 128 icons on my menu.
Is that many?
I'm pretty sure that I had more in my old Hero.
On my other phone , an HTC HD2, I have found a very useful app (for win mob 6.5) that frees memory and even speeds up the phone, does anyone knows of an equivalent program for Android 2.1?
Or maybe of some way to get some free space by some other method, like moving something to the mem card, or getting rid of some useless stuff?
Please?
This thing is getting relly frustrating.
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Wait until 23 June.. I got some info.. Froyo for HTC Desire will coming
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...On my other phone , an HTC HD2, I have found a very useful app (for win mob 6.5)
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OT: how do you like your Desire compared to the HD2?
I have the HD2 and I think the phone hardware is great, love the screen and the RAM and ROM. So far the best phone I have ever had, and I have had a lot.
I would love to try Android (would love to have it on a phone with the HD2 specs - and ATT )
...On my other phone , an HTC HD2, I have found a very useful app (for win mob 6.5)
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OT: how do you like your Desire compared to the HD2?
I have the HD2 and I think the phone hardware is great, love the screen and the RAM and ROM. So far the best phone I have ever had, and I have had a lot.
I would love to try Android (would love to have it on a phone with the HD2 specs - and ATT )
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I came from HD2 as well and I have to agree that HD2 hardware is far more superior than the Desire. The build quality is good, large screen is gorgeous.
However, I prefer Android so much more than Winmo. Glad that I made the switch.
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I came from HD2 as well and I have to agree that HD2 hardware is far more superior than the Desire. The build quality is good, large screen is gorgeous.
However, I prefer Android so much more than Winmo. Glad that I made the switch.
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it seems to be THE OS everyone is going to. I will wait until 2.2 gets on a phone that I can use with ATT, and that might only be a month away.
This is a known issue, I've had it but it seems to have gone. While I have no 100% sure cure I will try to give you some advice, hopefully it will solve the problem.
Question (please reply) : does your phone take a lot (I mean A LOT) of time to power down? I ask this because I feel there's a problem with the Desire's shutdown routine, it should clear some cache and old/obsolete data during shutdown but sometimes it fails.
Back to your problem, you have 2 options: try to force the phone to do the right thing and reclaim space OR restore to factory default and reinstall everything. Of course, second option is a little bit painful but as you have already been forced to uninstall most of the apps you'll have less to reinstall after a full wipe.
As for first option:
- try to power down / reboot your phone several times in a row; be patient, let it do it's thing, don't pull the battery out.
- power down your phone then power up by keeping MENU key pressed until it boots up: this will force it into safe mode (it only loads apps installed in the ROM, not the ones you added later). Can't really tell you why/how this helps but it solved my problem and it doesn't hurt to try. After booting into safe mode check the amount of space you have: should be OK now. Power down the phone and power up normally.
- check your apps (Settings, applications, manage applications) to see which ones take so much space. Maybe it's the browser cache, maybe Gmail storage or whatever. After taking care of one or more of them (e.g. clear browser cache) reboot your phone (power it down as it should, not by pulling battery out, to allow it to do it's shutdown routine).
I really hope this helps, I know how frustrating it can be. Froyo can't come soon enough! Or some real/safe root method.
I have been experiencing similar problems (although far less extreme), I tried starting in safe mode, clearing the browser cache and restarting, my free memory went from 74Mb to 105Mb but this change only showed up after the restart.
Thanx for the the prompt answers and the suggestions which I am trying right now.
I did'nt think about emptying the the browsers' caches because I thought that this kind of data would be kept in my capacious 16GB sd card.
I'm gonna do it right away because I use 3 browsers: Opera as default, but also Xscope and Dolphin which are really great to watch flash videos and I love watching long BBC documentaries in my spare time.
Besides I just noticed that Xscope automatically clears its cache on exit (if the option is activated) and Dolphin stores it on the memo card (also if the option is checked).
As for your questions.
1) No, my Droid switches off (and on ) very fast, much faster than my old Hero or my old N97, or my old Omnia, faster than my old HTC HD, and even slightly faster than my (actual) HTC HD2.
I guess it's thanks of the snappy Snapdragon CPU.
2) I do feel a bit silly having 2 phones but after having tried a Hero I just had to buy one and once I did I immediatly became a true Android convert.
I use Gmail, Gdocs, Gcalendar as my basic programs and iGoogle is my startpage , moreover the choice of free apps on Android market is without equal (i know because my wife insists on using iPhone 3GS, and now she even bought a 27" iMac hoping to get the same seamless sync'ing I get with my google apps on PC and my Android phone).
But no matter how much I love Android, the HD2 ,( which I had since september 2009) is just too good to let it go.
Forget about all the great Android Apps, but to watch pics, vids, to read e books and downloaded PDF pages, and also to listen to music it has no equal (in my opinion).
The camera and videocam (after applying the latest firmware and the fixes found here on XDA) are better than those on the Desire.
The voice dialing for the HD2 just works (thanx to dutty's work) also via BT headset and headphones, while the Desire's best voice dialing app (choice dialer) still tends to suck and the lack of a dedicated "call" button makes things even worse .
For one like me, who spends most of his waking time driving a car , voice dialing is a must; and the one Dutty fixed for the HD2 is just great.
Last but not least I bought that beautiful HD2 active holder for table and car (which does not fit the Desire) and I also bought CoPilot sat nav for the HD2 which works perfectly too.
As an excuse for having 2 phones usually I say that I need one for business and one for private use and maybe sometimes it's true too.
I usually keep the Desire in my pocket and the HD2 in my car or briefcase.
In any case because of my job, most of the time (nearly always actually) I am obliged to find space in my briefcase for a good bridge camera, a little vidocam, a dictaphone, and my netbook with accessories and peripherals, plus assorted gizmos according to the specific situation at hand, so the HD2 doesn't really change much in terms of weight.
Unfortunately the only phone that maybe would be able to substitute both my phones would probably be the HTC EVO but it seems like this beauty will never make it to our decadent european continent.
So I look forward to be able to buy the Dell Streak (mini5) and I really hope that next month , once hopefully I'll finally manage to wrap my fingers around it, I will not end up carrying 3 phones.
What do you think?
I'm a desperate case?
OF course not, you are like me and other Desire users... I'm not sorry i bought the phone and even thought that i wouldn't mind having such little space for apps, but really - we have so many apps and can't installed it because of the limited space...
This is also HTC fault because they have to win money, but for what we pay for the Desire and others, we really shuld have bigger internal space (1GB was enough for now).
Froyo will surely solve our main problems, and i also have 2 phones...
I will replace my simple Nokia when WP7 will be released at the end of the year, since i will never have an Apple device bought my me.
The i will have the two best: Android and WP7 - and i know that WP7 won't suffer from another annoying thing on Android: platform fragmentation. I'm sure that all WP7 devices will be automatically updated to latest versions of the OS which not occur with Android phones.
W7 looks poised to be a winner, however in my opinion Sense UI and the changes that HTC made to win mobile 6.5 for the HD2 , are so good that I really don't thik that this particular device needs a different OS.
HTC managed the incredible feat of making win 6.5 good, easy and a plasure to use.
In fact probably when (if) an upgrade for the HD2 will become available , I don't think that I will rush to install w7, which (as all new OSs) will probably see the light burdened with all sorts of bugs, glitches, and childhood diseases, while the newest ROM for HD2 coupled with Sense UI is eminentely stable, and just... good.
What win would need to compete with android is the so called "ecosystem" or "environment" : apps (specially free apps) and integration with cloud services, like Android does with Gmail, Gmaps (with sat nav), Gdocs, Gtalk, Gcalendar, Gtranslate, etc. etc.
I mean, have you seen the Windows marketplace? It's pathetic.
Even OVI market for my old N97 was better than this and I remember that it relly sucked.
They even removed the few free apps there used to be.
As good as W7 will turn out to be, one thing no OS can do is fixing this kind of structural weaknesses in the win "ecosystem".
I think it's for HTC's own good to update the Desire as soon as possible since potential buyers could go out to buy a Nexus if they wait too long.
With the Hero-update, it's another story I think because there were some issues and I think performance was one of them. And that way, HTC managed Hero users to go out and buy the Desire.
But this time, they can't do that move since the Desire is their top-device and the Nexus is a rival although they created the device. HTC would rather people buy the Desire than the Nexus of course.
PlexusXXX said:
W7 looks poised to be a winner, however in my opinion Sense UI and the changes that HTC made to win mobile 6.5 for the HD2 , are so good that I really don't thik that this particular device needs a different OS.
HTC managed the incredible feat of making win 6.5 good, easy and a plasure to use.
In fact probably when (if) an upgrade for the HD2 will become available , I don't think that I will rush to install w7, which (as all new OSs) will probably see the light burdened with all sorts of bugs, glitches, and childhood diseases, while the newest ROM for HD2 coupled with Sense UI is eminentely stable, and just... good.
What win would need to compete with android is the so called "ecosystem" or "environment" : apps (specially free apps) and integration with cloud services, like Android does with Gmail, Gmaps (with sat nav), Gdocs, Gtalk, Gcalendar, Gtranslate, etc. etc.
I mean, have you seen the Windows marketplace? It's pathetic.
Even OVI market for my old N97 was better than this and I remember that it relly sucked.
They even removed the few free apps there used to be.
As good as W7 will turn out to be, one thing no OS can do is fixing this kind of structural weaknesses in the win "ecosystem".
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Well its been a long time since I have played with any winmo device, but I believe ms will make things right with wp7. They already announced new live wave 4 and hotmail support for POP3 and a lot of new techs. Also the so called ecosystem is going great, wp7 will have Xmas and xbox games on it (you will be able to play the very same games on mobile, xbox and pc). The new demos I have seen are amazing and done in very little time, and this is great for developers. One thing that I should expect is, although I like the new OS aspect, they intend that all devices should look the same. This is good for the final user, but for me, an enthusiastic user, I would want to make it more customized. Maybe latter on we will see this happening, but I will bet wp7 will rock! If only Nokia would put all their potential in making great phones with Android and wp7, that would be also great! Fingers crossed
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Well its been a long time since I have played with any winmo device, but I believe ms will make things right with wp7. They already announced new live wave 4 and hotmail support for POP3 and a lot of new techs. Also the so called ecosystem is going great, wp7 will have Xmas and xbox games on it (you will be able to play the very same games on mobile, xbox and pc). The new demos I have seen are amazing and done in very little time, and this is great for developers. One thing that I should expect is, although I like the new OS aspect, they intend that all devices should look the same. This is good for the final user, but for me, an enthusiastic user, I would want to make it more customized. Maybe latter on we will see this happening, but I will bet wp7 will rock! If only Nokia would put all their potential in making great phones with Android and wp7, that would be also great! Fingers crossed
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well ive rooted my prev phone n caused it to brick n i cant think of any reasons to root dhd
app2sd - 2.2 already have them
roms - same as any app launcher in market(?)
getting 2.3 etc ealier - id rather wait fr official since i like htc sense anyway.
higher cpu - the phone is way fast enough for me... the 2.2.1 update improved the lag by alot.. i did not get any lag since update.
access to apps like screencast - maybe
removing apps that cannot be removed - i dont want to remove em
improved camera etc in roms - yet again 2.2.1 basically fixed every problem on this phone like low volume, bad camera, lag etc
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kudoboi said:
well ive rooted my prev phone n caused it to brick n i cant think of any reasons to root dhd
app2sd - 2.2 already have them
roms - same as any app launcher in market(?)
getting 2.3 etc ealier - id rather wait fr official since i like htc sense anyway.
higher cpu - the phone is way fast enough for me... the 2.2.1 update improved the lag by alot.. i did not get any lag since update.
access to apps like screencast - maybe
removing apps that cannot be removed - i dont want to remove em
improved camera etc in roms - yet again 2.2.1 basically fixed every problem on this phone like low volume, bad camera, lag etc
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App
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I recently also moved from HD2 to Desire HD and also don't see the reason for rooting.
I messed around with HD2 because I didn't like WM and I wanted Android.
Now that I have Android as a native OS I also really don't see the need for rooting. I belive that official updates are always way better than the unofficial ones (this ment with all due respect to all of the chefs out there that are trying their best) because unofficial ones have testing cycle that are way smaller and so new versions with fixes tend to come out at least once in a couple of days.
Maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture. If you think I'm also wrong, please say so.
If you're happy with your phone now then by all means leave it as it is. But as long as you follow instructions to the word, you're not going to brick your device.
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I belive that official updates are always way better than the unofficial ones (this ment with all due respect to all of the chefs out there that are trying their best) because unofficial ones have testing cycle that are way smaller and so new versions with fixes tend to come out at least once in a couple of days.
Maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture. If you think I'm also wrong, please say so.
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I would have to say that the ROMs I have used (ARHD many versions and CM7 Rc1) that the testing cycle might be smaller but support is generally a lot better than with the official updates.
But in answer to your question is Rooting worth it, well that all depends on what you want from your phone tbh. If you want a customised ROM or the ability to move ALL apps in their entirety to your SD (this is a root only feature) a heavily improved battery life (in some circles) or stock android experience etc, then yea Root that bad boy and enjoy.
If however you are a standard user then it really is not worth it. I rooted mine as i wanted to eek out some extra battery and performance. It was worth it.
I'm new to rooting & flashing roms this week, had my dhd since oct last year & kept it legit until now.
Everything's gone fine for me - downgraded from official ota 2.2.1 (1.72.xxx.x) to 2.2 (1.32.xxx.x - PD98IMG.zip file) so i could root (didn't need goldcard, phone unlocked & unbranded from new)
I got a RUU just in case though.
Did the s-off & radio off thing (couldn't be any easier), put revolution rom on first, but didn't think much of it, so now i'm on CM7... loving it, but it's early days.
Still got to work out how to get the market back (google apps file needed i think).
Originally rooted so i could get my bluetooth keyboard working with my dhd, revolution made no difference, CM7 is looking promising.
kudoboi said:
well ive rooted my prev phone n caused it to brick n i cant think of any reasons to root dhd
app2sd - 2.2 already have them
roms - same as any app launcher in market(?)
getting 2.3 etc ealier - id rather wait fr official since i like htc sense anyway.
higher cpu - the phone is way fast enough for me... the 2.2.1 update improved the lag by alot.. i did not get any lag since update.
access to apps like screencast - maybe
removing apps that cannot be removed - i dont want to remove em
improved camera etc in roms - yet again 2.2.1 basically fixed every problem on this phone like low volume, bad camera, lag etc
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Hi!
Is root worth it?
Well. I can only speak for my self of course. Where I live, Google has not yet opened up for paid apps. It is possible to circumvent but, for me, the easiest solution requires root.
If I want to clarify a problem or a solution, e.g. at xda, it is nice to be able to add a screen dump. This is possible through Android SDK, but i haven't, as of yet, figured out how to do this. Anyway you need to be hooked up to a computer to do this which kind of negates the idea of posting from the phone. There's an app to do this as well but again, this requires root.
Living in a small arctic town the weather app hasn't got my location in the database. It is possible and quite easy to remedy this issue but - u guessed it - requires root.
I guess it comes down to personal preferences which, at least for me, has got a lot to do with where I live.
Can you get by without root? Good for you, best of luck etc.
I can't.
Regards Elo.
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Like it was pointed out, the main advantage are the custom ROMs or kernels. The apache 13 kernels have great performance.
If you don't plan on using them root isn't that needed though. On the other hand rooting is almost risk free with the new one click tools.
If you have to ask. Then no.
Personally, I'm not much for sense and I love to play around with different Roms, kernels, overclocking and all that.
I can only think of one thing worth rooting for if you're not going to flash, overclock and so on. And that is the fact one can remove those bloody ads with Adfree.
kudoboi said:
well ive rooted my prev phone n caused it to brick n i cant think of any reasons to root dhd
app2sd - 2.2 already have them
roms - same as any app launcher in market(?)
getting 2.3 etc ealier - id rather wait fr official since i like htc sense anyway.
higher cpu - the phone is way fast enough for me... the 2.2.1 update improved the lag by alot.. i did not get any lag since update.
access to apps like screencast - maybe
removing apps that cannot be removed - i dont want to remove em
improved camera etc in roms - yet again 2.2.1 basically fixed every problem on this phone like low volume, bad camera, lag etc
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App
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Bottom Point: HUGE BATTERY LIFE IMPROVEMENT!!
You decide.
im in a urban area so i dont need root to unlock app market and hidden apps and paid apps.. im have 16 hrs a day n my phone is usually connected to the pc... so charging is not a problem fr me... n 2.2.1 did improve the battery by alot... i did nt touch the phone fr 7 hours and the battery only went down by 2%
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If you are pleased with your DHD with sesnse don't. But you asking therfor i think you are courious. Read about it here in XDA and the different threads, collect information and when your couriosity gets to big you know where to find the info.
I am currently using CR OTA Froyo... whats the real benefits of CM7 I flashed it while it was pre-RC and just went back because of minor issues... but now since in past RC1 what are the Pros...Cons...
Everthing is better more options n speed n customize more space looks trust me ull nevrr go bak.
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What kind of issues did you have? Maybe they've been resolved?
I like CM7 a bunch, Stable is great... although my wifi is acting up.
i went from cm rc1 build for a few weeks to OTA for half a day then got the cm7, gotta sasy CM7 > RC1 > OTA all the way, the only thing is no gps but who cares
I tried CM7-RC4 and honestly, I missed Sense. I want a phone that is completely stable, I don't want to have to wonder if my wi-fi or bluetooth or gps is or isn't gonna work today. I'm using the rooted official 2.2.1 that was released along with Dark Tremor's a2sd which lets me move all my apps and the dalvik cache to the sd card, giving me amazing amounts of memory on the phone and it is super fast. And everything works perfect: wi-fi, bluetooth, gps, websites with flash.
Well I installed cm7 again... And it works ok... Randomly reboots periodically. Still don't really see the point, only benefit I get its I don't get memory low errors as I did with OTA 2.2.1
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I agree with these statements so far, cm7 is great, with amy rom there is going to be some pros and cons. In most cases gps and/or wifi doesn't work. Hence why I stick to sense, also for me the theme is a negative for me, lack of support for sense widgets which most people tend to grow accustom to. As of now I'm running the rooted ota, modded by me. gold carded 8 gb sd, custom boot animation. No longer s-off. That was my own fault on my behalf of user stupidity, applying the update from t-mobile. Anyways, if your willing to lose sense and its widgets, and to-my-knowledge cm7's gps won't work, for more internal storage and possible performance reaction wise, cm7 other wise stock with sense.
use CM7 cause its coool...
Lol sorry im bored here at work atm but why its on all personal preference
I use cm7 on the slide cause i dont like all the bloatware on others/or lack of deving /support, and CM roms are most supported rom for themes and fixes/and ports,
and considering seems to be the rom that has most of the stuff in it working fully or to a degree where it is usable
thats things i can only think of now..
Imo there is no reason to go with cm7. I hear stuff about less bloatware but, there isn't much bloatware to begin with. I have about 20 apps installed and still have 130mb of free space on the phone. Just use aps2sd cachesd and a class 6 card and be done with it. I get the beutiful sense weather clock widget, the very pretty and functional htc sense mp3 player, and everything works with no issues and the phone is just as fast as cm7. Just make sure you update the kernel to the one nbetcher requests you use. I just wish he would have left myfaves in as I liked being able to quickly select the person I wanted to text or call. I also still have the myfaves account with tmobile.
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Imo there is no reason to go with cm7. I hear stuff about less bloatware but, there isn't much bloatware to begin with. I have about 20 apps installed and still have 130mb of free space on the phone. Just use aps2sd cachesd and a class 6 card and be done with it. I get the beutiful sense weather clock widget, the very pretty and functional htc sense mp3 player, and everything works with no issues and the phone is just as fast as cm7. Just make sure you update the kernel to the one nbetcher requests you use. I just wish he would have left myfaves in as I liked being able to quickly select the person I wanted to text or call. I also still have the myfaves account with tmobile.
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You could try this one, it is the stock final OTA ROM but is already rooted and retains the older HBOOT (not the new 1.0) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1042472
I'm running it with apps2sd and a Class 10 card, with /data and dalvik cache going to the ext3 partition. It is super fast, and still has all the goodies like faves and genius functions.
I tried 3rd Sense ROM (I hate T-Mobile's crappy Sense mod) and went back to CM 7 in a week. It has a whole lot of options that can make your phone actually yours. The T-Mobile Theme Chooser is great and there is a decent amount of themes for it on XDA and on the market. It is a whole lot smoother and I prefer stock over Sense. I hate bloatware and CM 7 has no bloatware (unless you think ADW.Launcher is bloatware). CM 7 is a ROM that is actually constantly updated and everything works 100% for me (Nightly Build 42 has the wi-fi drivers that HTC release so wi-fi works great and GPS was never a problem for me).
Sense Widgets are great but you can find something on the market that looks like the widgets and usually behaves better (you can skin them, etc.) I use Beautiful Widgets for my clock/weather needs.
Also the flash lite thing, it doesn't work for anything "major" I tried to run some embedded youtube videos when I was on a website and the youtube video was jerky and laggy. Better to use the actually youtube app and unless you enjoy watching choppy, laggy videos that drain half you battery in like 15 min, go ahead and use flash lite
UberMario said:
I tried 3rd Sense ROM (I hate T-Mobile's crappy Sense mod) and went back to CM 7 in a week. It has a whole lot of options that can make your phone actually yours. The T-Mobile Theme Chooser is great and there is a decent amount of themes for it on XDA and on the market. It is a whole lot smoother and I prefer stock over Sense. I hate bloatware and CM 7 has no bloatware (unless you think ADW.Launcher is bloatware). CM 7 is a ROM that is actually constantly updated and everything works 100% for me (Nightly Build 42 has the wi-fi drivers that HTC release so wi-fi works great and GPS was never a problem for me).
Sense Widgets are great but you can find something on the market that looks like the widgets and usually behaves better (you can skin them, etc.) I use Beautiful Widgets for my clock/weather needs.
Also the flash lite thing, it doesn't work for anything "major" I tried to run some embedded youtube videos when I was on a website and the youtube video was jerky and laggy. Better to use the actually youtube app and unless you enjoy watching choppy, laggy videos that drain half you battery in like 15 min, go ahead and use flash lite
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My experience has been very different from yours. The Sense ROMs perform very well here without an issue. That's the beauty of Android, we can have different versions to suit our individual tastes. You like CM7 better, I like the Sense ROMs, and we both win.
CM7.0.2 wins for me
I put off rooting my Slide for months because I was afraid of losing all the Sense UI stuff. But there were some things that became intolerable for me.
T-Mo puts that faves button next to the app drawer. My hand would hit it all the time on accident. I hate Faves. I think the concept is like making a redundant speed dial that is really slow and buggy and adds duplicate notifications when you get a text. I hated it.
It didn't help my opinion that the T-Mo apps broke every other month.
The HTC widgets are kinda cool but the animated rain gets old. The weather reporting was sub par anyway since about every third day the forecast would be completely off. I was, and still am, looking for a widget that pulls data from wunderground.com.
So, I finally made the jump when I saw CM7 released a stable. I got it. It worked really well. My phone got a lot faster overnight. T-Mo released the official update 3 days later and I put it on the wife's slide.
I am happy to report that side by side my slide is faster. I get all the same stuff she got but I can modify a lot of things she can't. CM7 settings makes really simple changes and tweaks easy. Like changing the notification pull down. Can't do that with Sense. You get what they give you.
Lastly, if you want some really good looking widgets try Minimalistic Text. Great looking, highly customizable and available to anyone.
well lets put it this way good sir its really up to you and what you want out of your phone for someone like yourself crmod might be better its just as stable as offical just allows you to keep root. i myself love cm7 and call me really lucky or whatnot i have no issues with cm 7 and never have my wifi is always flawless wifi hotspots are always working with pc bluetooth works great phone raido everything i have never had any issues. i did loose my s-off for being a dumbass and trying the new offical 2.2 tmob software that lasted mmm 2 hours and i had to re root that wasnt fun and now happy again. cm is good for me because i never had any issues some folks do though but much more options in cm that stock ever will have and my phone runs so much faster but i would check out cr mod you would like that and be able to keep root and all
I was hoping to get maybe a little longer out of my gnex, considering that IMO i dont do very taxing things, and when i bought it - those things seemed to work fine.
In the past few months, i started using google music - and the phone is simply too slow to keep up. Besides that, all i do is listen to a few podcasts, gmail, etc, but everything seems like its in slow motion. Chrome is unbearable - i just avoid using it anymore. The funny thing is that i dont remember this phone being THAT slow. I know overtime, my definition of slow will change as faster phones come out, but i have almost no experience with anything newer than my phone. Even my captivate seems about as fast as the nexus - which is a VERY old phone.
Right now im running slimbean from about a month ago.
Anyone else having these troubles? Anything i can do to speed it up a bit?
Im probably gonna pick up a gs4 nexus once i see it for a little less than its selling for now. Which model is the best to buy? Id be running AOSP software on whichever one i pick, so strictly hardware wise - which is the best? Do i want the one from korea with the octacore whatever - or should i go with ATT/tmobiles version? Which version does google play sell? What about the gs4 active? Ive heard the internals are a bit different, and its not AMOLED like the others.
Thanks for any advice!
I'm running PA 3.65 on lk 7. Oc'd to 1.3 ghz. Phone seems pretty fluid to me. Definitely there is a difference between my phone and say, a Galaxy s3, but it's not to where it makes me feel my phone is obsolete. Plus, the gnex has a great development base with not only Roms but kernels as well. This extends the lives of our devices greatly. I plan to stick and wait it out a while longer myself.
My advice, delve deeper into your gnex and try some more combinations and tweaks. See if there's something you could do. Currently I've been on a governor binge--trying all the various governors, looking for the best for me, battery-wise and performance. Overall I'm happy.
Hope this helps.
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I was hoping to get maybe a little longer out of my gnex, considering that IMO i dont do very taxing things, and when i bought it - those things seemed to work fine.
In the past few months, i started using google music - and the phone is simply too slow to keep up. Besides that, all i do is listen to a few podcasts, gmail, etc, but everything seems like its in slow motion. Chrome is unbearable - i just avoid using it anymore. The funny thing is that i dont remember this phone being THAT slow. I know overtime, my definition of slow will change as faster phones come out, but i have almost no experience with anything newer than my phone. Even my captivate seems about as fast as the nexus - which is a VERY old phone.
Right now im running slimbean from about a month ago.
Anyone else having these troubles? Anything i can do to speed it up a bit?
Im probably gonna pick up a gs4 nexus once i see it for a little less than its selling for now. Which model is the best to buy? Id be running AOSP software on whichever one i pick, so strictly hardware wise - which is the best? Do i want the one from korea with the octacore whatever - or should i go with ATT/tmobiles version? Which version does google play sell? What about the gs4 active? Ive heard the internals are a bit different, and its not AMOLED like the others.
Thanks for any advice!
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I'm on stock 4.2.2 which is rooted and I've modified certain elements using Paul O'Brien's MoDaCo Toolkit (which uses the Xposed Framework Mod). I think about upgrading from time to time but never because I feel I need to. I am more than happy with my Galaxy Nexus (bearing in mind I don't play intensive games).
I would wait a bit longer and see what the LG Optimus G2 is like and maybe upgrade early 2014. The next Nexus might be released in November anyway.
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if u want the S4, go for the Snapdragon version coz it has more development goin on
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My phone is amazingly fast. I dont zee any lag and I dare tot say it is faster then my friends sgs3. I am using XenonHD 11.1 and Aspk b11 kernel..
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mrgnex said:
My phone is amazingly fast. I dont zee any lag and I dare tot say it is faster then my friends sgs3. I am using XenonHD 11.1 and Aspk b11 kernel..
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+1 to that
maybe time slowed down for him xD
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"Upgrade" to android 4.1 and your phone will suddenly seem like less of a bag.
Seraz007 said:
+1 to that
maybe time slowed down for him xD
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At least he can try
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mrgnex said:
My phone is amazingly fast. I dont zee any lag and I dare tot say it is faster then my friends sgs3. I am using XenonHD 11.1 and Aspk b11 kernel..
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I don't think the phone is really slow, it's just that the amount of memory available is starting to be a problem. When you have plenty of memory the phone is fine, but between the OS, Chrome, the new Hangouts, the new Music player, and whatever else you have running you can quickly run out of memory and when all your background apps are restarting the phone is definitely not smooth.
Since 4.2.2 the Gnex started to be more laggy. If you use a custom rom and kernel (i.e. CM 10.1 based rom and fancy or franco or ak kernel) you can indeed tweak it up so it feels quite fast again, then again, the battery drains like crazy, a solution for this is buy an extended 3800mAh battery (I've one in my Nexus and it at least doubles the battery life, means you EASILY get through the day, even with overclocked settings and heavy use).
Imo it's still a very nice device.. But don't expect quad core performance from a 2011 dual core phone
My Note 2 with AOSP 4.2.2 rom absolutely is a beast and battery life is awesome (stock 3100mAh battery).
So long story short, if you overall still like your nexus: install CM 10.1 and i.e. fancy kernel, overclock it to about 1.4GHz, get the extended 3800mAh battery and it will make a big difference already to stock.
If you have enough money aside and feel like having something new, get a SGS4 or HTC One (awesome design), or if you like a big screen on top of that like me, I definitely recommend the Note 2 (it's considerably cheaper than the SGS4 and in terms of performance with irl use the difference is not really noticeable), or wait for the Note 3 .
When is a downgrade an upgrade?
lourivellini said:
I was hoping to get maybe a little longer out of my gnex, considering that IMO i dont do very taxing things, and when i bought it - those things seemed to work fine.
In the past few months, i started using google music - and the phone is simply too slow to keep up. Besides that, all i do is listen to a few podcasts, gmail, etc, but everything seems like its in slow motion. Chrome is unbearable - i just avoid using it anymore. The funny thing is that i dont remember this phone being THAT slow. I know overtime, my definition of slow will change as faster phones come out, but i have almost no experience with anything newer than my phone. Even my captivate seems about as fast as the nexus - which is a VERY old phone.
Right now im running slimbean from about a month ago.
Anyone else having these troubles? Anything i can do to speed it up a bit?
Im probably gonna pick up a gs4 nexus once i see it for a little less than its selling for now. Which model is the best to buy? Id be running AOSP software on whichever one i pick, so strictly hardware wise - which is the best? Do i want the one from korea with the octacore whatever - or should i go with ATT/tmobiles version? Which version does google play sell? What about the gs4 active? Ive heard the internals are a bit different, and its not AMOLED like the others.
Thanks for any advice!
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Before you write your phone off, try going back to 4.1.2. I've been using MiNCO v5 (which was my favourite 4.1.2 ROM, comes with franco's milestone 6 and is super stable and minimal.) Just flash v2.1 of this transformation pack as if it were a gapps package (actual gapps are already built into the ROM)
Your phone will have all the 4.2.2 goodies (except toggles and LS widgets, but there's an app for that) with none of the slow sluggish feel.
Try it. I promise you won't be disappointed.
P.S This mod and crossbreeder are the only 2 additions I'd STRONGLY reccomend. The first unifies the "holo" theme of stock JB (read the thread, it's awesome!) and the second does some amazing things which include system wide adblocking and smooth DNS caching just for starters.
P.P.S If you go back to 4.1.2 just make sure you have the latest radio for your region and DON'T RESTORE SYSTEM APPS FROM TITANIUM BACKUP.
thanks for all the responses. I think ill try the few roms and kernels you guys suggested before bailing on this phone. I personally like my rom to be as close to stock as possible, which is why ive been using slim bean for so long. I think ill try CM first before any other rom, or possibly going back to 4.1 like someone suggested.
Since available memory is probably the issue, is it worth using titanium backup to freeze apps that I never use? I dont use hangouts or anything like that.
Like i said i really dont ever play games or anything, these are the only apps I ever use:
Stock apps: phone, gmail, messaging, calendar, camera, gallery, calculator, clock, play store
aldiko
chrome
doggcatcher
drive
dropbox
fitbit (does not sync with tracker)
gmote
keep (installed but i never really use)
maps/nav/street view
NOVA launcher (forgot about this - could this be the source of my lag?)
play music (like i mentioned this destroys my phone)
reddit is fun
screen filter
seekdroid
smart voice recorder
swype (much better than stock gestures)
tapatalk
titanium backup
voice
youtube
Gonna go try some roms and report back.
@Seraz007 - which is the snapdragon version? The one google is selling directly?
@kaoskilo - how do i know which radio i should be using? I use AT&T and im located in CT, USA.
lourivellini said:
thanks for all the responses. I think ill try the few roms and kernels you guys suggested before bailing on this phone. I personally like my rom to be as close to stock as possible, which is why ive been using slim bean for so long. I think ill try CM first before any other rom, or possibly going back to 4.1 like someone suggested.
Since available memory is probably the issue, is it worth using titanium backup to freeze apps that I never use? I dont use hangouts or anything like that.
Like i said i really dont ever play games or anything, these are the only apps I ever use:
Stock apps: phone, gmail, messaging, calendar, camera, gallery, calculator, clock, play store
aldiko
chrome
doggcatcher
drive
dropbox
fitbit (does not sync with tracker)
gmote
keep (installed but i never really use)
maps/nav/street view
NOVA launcher (forgot about this - could this be the source of my lag?)
play music (like i mentioned this destroys my phone)
reddit is fun
screen filter
seekdroid
smart voice recorder
swype (much better than stock gestures)
tapatalk
titanium backup
voice
youtube
Gonna go try some roms and report back.
@Seraz007 - which is the snapdragon version? The one google is selling directly?
@kaoskilo - how do i know which radio i should be using? I use AT&T and im located in CT, USA.
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Try greenify instead of faffing about with freeze and unfreeze in TB. Also, this might be the radio you want, I'm not sure if you're gsm or cdma on AT&T (I'm from the UK) so the best way is to check in your settings on your current setup:
Settings>About phone>Baseband version
Though I'd highly recommend reading the thread just to check, it's amazing how big the change is when using an out of date radio.
pfmiller said:
I don't think the phone is really slow, it's just that the amount of memory available is starting to be a problem. When you have plenty of memory the phone is fine, but between the OS, Chrome, the new Hangouts, the new Music player, and whatever else you have running you can quickly run out of memory and when all your background apps are restarting the phone is definitely not smooth.
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I'm no expert but it seems to me that Android devices are similar to Windows in respect to slowing down over time. I think the complexity of today's apps contribute greatly to a phones alitity to keep up but not as much as you may think. I uses chache cleaner ng to get rid of a good portion of garbage on a regular basis and once in awile a fresh flash really speeds things up again. Don't forget about all those apps we think we need but never use. Get rid of them.
I ran errands today Streaming Slacker Radio, running navigation, and answering and making phone calls and my phone never game me a reason to think it was time to a new one.
Here is my solution - I suffered the same problem like you.
First, it has nothing to do with low memory. Android stops "old" apps, if it needs memory. There are about 1 million posts about that (wrong) story - but no one wants to listen to it
The problem is that the storage is not trimmed properly. You can use Lagfix to trim storage. Try it, it will work.
But the real solution is to factory reset your mobile (I mean wiping everything, restore the original system and root again). This way the storage will be trimmed too and it will be blazing fast again. If you leave at least 3GB free storage, the slowdown won't happen too soon again. Although a 4.2.2 ROM will then be fast too, the real speed you will only get with 4.1.2 (I'm using Liquidsmooth 2rc8 - fast, stable, feature rich).
That's my experience and I won't change my ROM until Android 5 is out... :fingers-crossed:
I get where you're coming from, but the GNex has a dual-core processer, with 1gb of RAM, if its feeling slow because you've been playing with you're friends quad-core phones with twice the RAM, then its definitely time to upgrade because no matter what ROM or Kernel you use, you're going to notice the difference. IMO I love my GNex, I'm running AOKP 4.2.2 and I couldn't be happier for the moment. However, when the Nexus 5 comes out I'll be the first in line.
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(I'm using Liquidsmooth 2rc8 - fast, stable, feature rich).
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Do you have a download link? I can only find that ROM for other devices than GNex.
I'm coming from Liquid Smooth 2.5 and running CM 10.0 since a few days. So far so good, but I'm missing a few features of Liquid Smooth and would love to give it a try again... Thanks!!
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First, it has nothing to do with low memory. Android stops "old" apps, if it needs memory. There are about 1 million posts about that (wrong) story - but no one wants to listen to it
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I know how Android memory management works, and that's exactly what I'm taking about. When apps get stopped it makes the phone slower because the apps need to be started again when you go back to them.
hudl said:
Here is my solution - I suffered the same problem like you.
First, it has nothing to do with low memory. Android stops "old" apps, if it needs memory. There are about 1 million posts about that (wrong) story - but no one wants to listen to it
The problem is that the storage is not trimmed properly. You can use Lagfix to trim storage. Try it, it will work.
But the real solution is to factory reset your mobile (I mean wiping everything, restore the original system and root again). This way the storage will be trimmed too and it will be blazing fast again. If you leave at least 3GB free storage, the slowdown won't happen too soon again. Although a 4.2.2 ROM will then be fast too, the real speed you will only get with 4.1.2 (I'm using Liquidsmooth 2rc8 - fast, stable, feature rich).
That's my experience and I won't change my ROM until Android 5 is out... :fingers-crossed:
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Trimming /data trims the storage as well as storage is /data/media. I don't think every phone is affected by this trim problem as they don't all use the same emmc (see the trim thread in this forum).
I also agree with you 100% that 4.1.2 performed a lot faster for me than 4.2.2 on my Galaxy Nexus. I don't think the hardware of the Galaxy Nexus or even the Nexus 7 fully handled Android 4.2 smoothly. Software optimizations could improve that. Actually on my HTC One on the GE (AOSP like) version of 4.2.2, the UI could get a little jittery.
While I agree with you that Android killing apps is normal when it runs low on memory, I can confirm CM10 killed apps a lot less often than CM10.1. Even with the memory leak patches implemented earlier this year into CM10.1, my RAM would get low enough that the lowmemorykiller would kick into gear a lot more often than CM10. I don't think this is the only cause of slowness in Android 4.2 but it can contribute. The most likely candidate is systemUI which Google changed how it works as in 4.2 it shows the background on the launcher in recents instead of overlaying recents on top of your current app. As that has to load the wallpaper from the launcher it may slow down if it has to pull it from memory.
PS. You say you won't change your ROM until Android 5 is out but 4.3 may fix a lot of the issues in 4.2 and the updated bluetooth support is a must have for users with Low Energy devices.
lourivellini said:
thanks for all the responses. I think ill try the few roms and kernels you guys suggested before bailing on this phone. I personally like my rom to be as close to stock as possible, which is why ive been using slim bean for so long. I think ill try CM first before any other rom, or possibly going back to 4.1 like someone suggested.
Since available memory is probably the issue, is it worth using titanium backup to freeze apps that I never use? I dont use hangouts or anything like that.
Like i said i really dont ever play games or anything, these are the only apps I ever use:
Stock apps: phone, gmail, messaging, calendar, camera, gallery, calculator, clock, play store
aldiko
chrome
doggcatcher
drive
dropbox
fitbit (does not sync with tracker)
gmote
keep (installed but i never really use)
maps/nav/street view
NOVA launcher (forgot about this - could this be the source of my lag?)
play music (like i mentioned this destroys my phone)
reddit is fun
screen filter
seekdroid
smart voice recorder
swype (much better than stock gestures)
tapatalk
titanium backup
voice
youtube
Gonna go try some roms and report back.
@Seraz007 - which is the snapdragon version? The one google is selling directly?
@kaoskilo - how do i know which radio i should be using? I use AT&T and im located in CT, USA.
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U live in the US? then u should've no problem gettin the snapdragon version
Snapdragon version is the quad core one not exynos( Octa core)
More devving for the Quad Core one since samsung didn't release exynos source code
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